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ConfusedCartman
04-28-2009, 04:28 AM
If you haven't noticed yet, we've introduced non-intrusive advertisements. As of posting this, we have two default ad locations - one ad between the first post of a thread and the following posts (posted by "Adbot"), and one on the Homepage, which is not visible to registered users. You will not see these ads if you have any sort of adblocking software installed, and I will not try to circumvent those blocks, but please consider disabling it for LBPCentral. We work hard daily to keep the site running, and the more people that see the ads, the better.

We may introduce ads into one or two more places depending on results, but our goal is to be as non-annoying as possible. As with Donations, the revenue generated by the ads will go toward improving the site.

Please note: I realize many of you are very nice, and may consider a "click the ads" day (or something to that tune) in order to bring in more money. This will get our account with Google canceled. Google has advanced click tracking tools and is known for canceling accounts at the very instant there is a hint of fraud, so please do not organize anything of the sort. I won't deny you the ability to click once in a while, but don't go overboard - I can't give you solid numbers, but just exercise restraint.

aer0blue
04-28-2009, 04:39 AM
The ads looks great and are, as you said, non-intrusive. I can see it now, a year from now... Community Spotlight #100. Highest voted level wins a $300 coupon at BestBuy. Oh yeah. ...Well, maybe not, but still, this'll be helping the site and community plenty. Just, behave, like Cartman said...

:)

As before, rock on, LBPCentral!

gofurr360z
04-28-2009, 04:44 AM
i noticed them maybe 5 mins before this post, and was like "... um ... i never even noticed ads til now... im an idiot..." >.>

i think they will do good for the site, but honestly, they are annoying me already XD it could be worse tho. at least theyre not in between every post and forum section

Silverleon
04-28-2009, 04:51 AM
Meh, i don't mind ads, i can easly ignore them, so its cool, and besides, its to help the site , why would someone go against that? :)

Kog
04-28-2009, 04:51 AM
Ya, I went back to an older thread and noticed some strange looking advertisements, that looked like they weren't ready. I just went back to the thread and they have the LBPC Adbot along with a working picture.

They are great, as they don't get in the way, so I have no problem with them. As long as it gives this awesome site more money, I'm happy with it! :)

Whalio Cappuccino
04-28-2009, 04:54 AM
The ads looks great and are, as you said, non-intrusive. I can see it now, a year from now... Community Spotlight #100. Highest voted level wins a $300 coupon at BestBuy. Oh yeah. ...Well, maybe not, but still, this'll be helping the site and community plenty. Just, behave, like Cartman said...

:)

As before, rock on, LBPCentral!

Oh man would that be awesome or what. God dude why did you say that now it's stuck in my head...


i noticed them maybe 5 mins before this post, and was like "... um ... i never even noticed ads til now... im an idiot..." >.>

i think they will do good for the site, but honestly, they are annoying me already XD it could be worse tho. at least theyre not in between every post and forum section

I saw them a few minutes ago, at first I found them a bit weird, but after the first minute it's become normal, it's in a good spot, doesn't bother me one bit, because it only comes after the first post of every page. Basically, you'll probably get used to it.

I personally love the idea, and I can't wait to see how you'll implement this into making this site better, I would love to see actual prizes for contests.

gofurr360z
04-28-2009, 04:54 AM
why would someone go against that? :)

oh, no, i have nothing against it (if you were implying that i did >.>)

i just think they look a bit out of place is all. but ill get used to it.

edit: darn you and your saying i'll get used to it before i posted D:

ConfusedCartman
04-28-2009, 05:17 AM
New update: Donators no longer see advertisements in any form, for as long as they are a donator. Donator info updated to reflect the change.

Coxy224
04-28-2009, 05:53 AM
I wouldn't have realised them if you hadn't mention it ;)

It's a good way to get money for the site and I hope it gets put to good use :)

CreateNPlay
04-28-2009, 06:05 AM
Yeh I like the ads.. theyre cool.. but i just bought donator :P

Walter-Kovacs
04-28-2009, 07:21 AM
New update: Donators no longer see advertisements in any form, for as long as they are a donator. Donator info updated to reflect the change.

I like this, it might actually motivate me to donate, which I have been meaning to do...

Sackdragon
04-28-2009, 10:48 AM
Personally, I'm neutral towards them. But I don't have the ability to donate D:

ryryryan
04-28-2009, 10:50 AM
Good work CC :) I use other forums with the same type of ads after the first post so I'm used to it anyway :)

oldage
04-28-2009, 11:14 AM
Death to the LBPCentral Adbot! :p
Nah, they're in not-annoying places.

hilightnotes
04-28-2009, 11:44 AM
Awesome. Hope you earn a bit of money!

RangerZero
04-28-2009, 02:16 PM
Actually I think IT IS intrusive. It's exactly like the worse place to put an ad.

Why not have one between the thread and the tool bar on top of every page?
You could also add another one at the bottom of every page, right after the last post.

If you want an example of what I mean, click here:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2

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Morrinn3
04-28-2009, 02:25 PM
I'm inclined to agree, rather than having the Ads appear between posts, I'd love to see them outside of the threads.
Not a big deal though, either way, Not really bothered by them that much.

CreateNPlay
04-28-2009, 03:19 PM
Yeh. I Personally think it would look alot more proffessional to have it that way. (+ More cash)

tjb0607
04-28-2009, 03:20 PM
I actually think they would get ignored more that way. Between posts is probably better because people pay more attention to that part of the page.

CreateNPlay
04-28-2009, 03:21 PM
But being at the top of the page is the first thing you see.. Plus.. when you scroll down you see another...

Walter-Kovacs
04-28-2009, 04:01 PM
I'm inclined to agree, rather than having the Ads appear between posts, I'd love to see them outside of the threads.
Not a big deal though, either way, Not really bothered by them that much.

I agree, outside of threads would be better, but I'm not especially bothered by it the way it is.

Morgana25
04-28-2009, 04:11 PM
New update: Donators no longer see advertisements in any form, for as long as they are a donator. Donator info updated to reflect the change.

I'm still seeing them in the threads. (and my green dot is MIA?)

CreateNPlay
04-28-2009, 04:11 PM
Ooh.. maybe it's CC's fault.. he edited me in earlier and he may of misclicked..

Hamsalad
04-28-2009, 04:16 PM
If these are the only ads that would be fine, I was hoping the donation would be enough to prevent these but these ads arn't annoying at all. Hopefully we can keep it at this. Do you get paid for having them AND if people click or just if people click

Pitcard
04-28-2009, 04:51 PM
Ye... I don't see these ads as a problem. As long as it keeps lbpc going strong!

I agree that having one at the top and bottom of the posting area would be nicer than in between 2 posts. They would be less inclined to get on peoples nerves.

Em... off topic-ish...... There's this new user posting lots of advertisement threads in the introduction area! >:O

I presume it has nothing to do with the new ads system, and that he will be banned soon yeah??? Its kinda scary, he's trying to promote his shoe company.... don't be silly.... Sackpeople don't need shoes.

Gilgamesh
04-28-2009, 04:59 PM
[...]Em... off topic-ish...... There's this new user posting lots of advertisement threads in the introduction area! >:O

I presume it has nothing to do with the new ads system, and that he will be banned soon yeah??? Its kinda scary, he's trying to promote his shoe company.... don't be silly.... Sackpeople don't need shoes.

He/She/It has been banned already (in all likelihood it was a spambot). I'm fairly confident that CC doesn't want the forums to be flooded with advertisement threads, so if you see something like that, just hit the little "Report" icon in the corner and report the post. A friendly neighborhood mod will take care of the rest. :)

Pitcard
04-28-2009, 05:02 PM
Yep, fast in the action guys, man OR robot... he's behind bars now :D

He had already made 3 threads, with the exact same OP >_>......... what a silly spambot.

Gilgamesh
04-28-2009, 05:07 PM
Yep, fast in the action guys, man OR robot... he's behind bars now :D

He had already made 3 threads, with the exact same OP >_>......... what a silly spambot.

It was significantly more than that actually. I took the liberty of checking out the user's posts before confirming for myself that it was indeed a spambot and reporting it.

The mods here do an awesome job. :)

Echonian
04-28-2009, 05:07 PM
I just ignore them, as I ignore all advertisements that aren't related to what I may be interested in. Even if I might be interested, I don't trust internet advertisements at all.

moleynator
04-28-2009, 05:11 PM
A great addition to the site. The site will now be practically free to run if it all works out.

lk9988
04-28-2009, 05:15 PM
These ads don't annoy me one bit. Anyways it will help LBPC!:p

Pinchanzee
04-28-2009, 07:16 PM
How does clicking on ads every so often benefit the site? (genuine question)

Hamsalad
04-28-2009, 08:05 PM
They get paid if people click them, and probably just for having them

Killian
04-28-2009, 08:12 PM
Is there any way to get the content of the ads changed? I know they're different for each individual based on their address but mine seem to be contradicting site rules, such as:

http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/pagead/imgad?id=CPOHvOHosb_GtQEQ1AMYMTIItSe4g3MAL9s

Pitcard
04-28-2009, 09:09 PM
Is there any way to get the content of the ads changed? I know they're different for each individual based on their address but mine seem to be contradicting site rules, such as:

http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/pagead/imgad?id=CPOHvOHosb_GtQEQ1AMYMTIItSe4g3MAL9s

Hahaha... I think thats specially there for you Kill, I haven't seen that one and I live right next to you >_>

ConfusedCartman
04-29-2009, 12:40 AM
Actually I think IT IS intrusive. It's exactly like the worse place to put an ad.

Why not have one between the thread and the tool bar on top of every page?
You could also add another one at the bottom of every page, right after the last post.

If you want an example of what I mean, click here:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2

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We did some rethinking, and along with the fact that the adbot screwed up AJAX in some cases, it did get a little annoying. Now, there's at least one on every page - one between the header and the navbar, and in the case of being in the Forum Index, one in the footer. Over the next few weeks, we'll be experimenting with placement to see which setup brings in the most revenue, but overall we'll avoid overly intrusive locations.


I'm still seeing them in the threads. (and my green dot is MIA?)
That's been fixed. Also, it's one or the other - since you're a distinguished user, the Donator markup is overridden. You may revert to the Donator display if you'd like, but the red username would be lost in the process.


If these are the only ads that would be fine, I was hoping the donation would be enough to prevent these but these ads arn't annoying at all. Hopefully we can keep it at this. Do you get paid for having them AND if people click or just if people click
Well, we won't be offsetting server fees any time soon, but we will be using this money for prizes and other fun things for the site. Donations are great for users who can willingly contribute - for those who are unable or unwilling, the ads will help give back some money to the community.


How does clicking on ads every so often benefit the site? (genuine question)
Here's how the system works:


An advertisement agency signs up for Google's AdWords (https://adwords.google.com/select/Login?sourceid=awo&subid=ww-en-et-ads-0-adsC-all&hl=en_us) program.
Google approves the agency and begins "serving", or displaying, those ads through their own AdSense (http://www.google.com/adsense/?hl=en_US&sourceid=aso&subid=ww-en-et-ads-0-adsC-all&hl=en_us) program.
Google tracks the number of clicks and number of views for that ad, and pays each "Publisher" (like myself) depending on either a) number of clicks on their ad or b) number of times the ad is seen 1000 times. Whether option a) or b) is used depends on the advertiser's preference.
Google then bills the advertisement agency for the amount handed out, plus a certain percentage (so Google can keep this service free).

I can't post statistics on our site's own performance in AdSense, as it is against the Google AdSense TOS, but I can say that clicks pay more than 1000 views in most cases. Feel free to click if you'd like - it benefits the site, and as long as you don't spam us with clicks, we shouldn't have a problem with Google.

Morgana25
04-29-2009, 01:26 AM
That's been fixed. Also, it's one or the other - since you're a distinguished user, the Donator markup is overridden. You may revert to the Donator display if you'd like, but the red username would be lost in the process.

Oh - then don't worry about it - Red is prettier :) Thanks for letting me know.

Snrm
04-29-2009, 02:11 AM
yay more money earned for the owners!!!
And i was in need of some car insurance right about now!!! :p

Anyways there cool i guess if they help you :)

gofurr360z
04-29-2009, 03:09 AM
i see the ads are at the top of the page now, rather than in between posts. i like it :]

Coxy224
04-29-2009, 05:43 AM
Yeah I prefer the ads how the yare now, no more scrolling past them..... infact I think I need a server banner ad.....*click*

RangerZero
04-29-2009, 02:36 PM
Sweet new place for the ad. I could have taken right under the tool bar too if you need to experiment. (you know, right under the bar with "home, user cp, site guide, etc)

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ConfusedCartman
04-30-2009, 07:02 PM
Just a little status update on the ads since we've added them: They're doing great so far, and at this rate we might be able to do cooler things than we anticipated. There are certain things I can't do (http://adsense.blogspot.com/2007/04/encouraging-clicks.html) when it comes to these ads, but the clicks are helping the site immensely, so I'll say this: If you're even slightly interested in an ad's contents, don't be afraid to click. Google Ads are safe and free from spyware cookies and the like. Be sure to let others know that it's safe as well - I can't do it in a broad sense or I'll appear to be "encouraging clicks". :kz:

Pitcard
04-30-2009, 07:48 PM
Thats awesome Cartman, looking forward to seeing some cool improvements to this place!

The adverts are perfect the way they are now, they're discreet but look professional. I'm sure they'll work for us.

Whalio Cappuccino
04-30-2009, 08:12 PM
CC told me about what the money we're making can do, and I was really impressed, all I can say is there will be some amazing contests coming up if it keeps up with the pace it's going at now, and I mean amazing.

Anyways, good job with the ads CC, can't wait to see what you do with the money earned.

ConfusedCartman
04-30-2009, 09:13 PM
CC told me about what the money we're making can do, and I was really impressed, all I can say is there will be some amazing contests coming up if it keeps up with the pace it's going at now, and I mean amazing.

Anyways, good job with the ads CC, can't wait to see what you do with the money earned.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Today's been a hard day, though, definitely - we've had a ton of page views (over 6500) and only a few clicks, so we make nearly nothing per click. Ideally, we want 1 click to every 40-50 page views, since the more clicks vs. page views, the more each click is worth. Yesterday and the day before were better, but today hasn't been great.

Pitcard
04-30-2009, 09:22 PM
I guess lots of people were trying it out since its a new feature. You could always put another one like Ranger suggested, under the tool bar at the top of the page. I hope its all worth it in the end. Can't wait to get stuck into those contests.