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Syroc
09-07-2009, 04:52 PM
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After the huge success that was round 1. Round 2 starts today and it is bigger and better than ever before. Well, okay that's easy giving that round one had zero participating levels. :-)

The mission: Create a level!

Rules:

1. Every switch must be visible. Whether it's a standard switch, a custom made switch or a logic gate, you are not allowed to hide it. They need to be in plain sight.

2. Everything else must be visible as well. No hidden emitters, no invisible pistons, no invisible robes and of course no invisible materials. Exception: Magic mouths and speakers.

3. You may not use any DLC objects, that includes stickers, materials, the paint switch and plasma balls.
The only exception are the things found in the Creator Pack 1 ie. the unlimited life checkpoint.


The criteria of judgement:

- Playability
- Fun

And of course the design and how well you have managed to incorporate the switches. The more integrated they are the better. A AND/OR switch that is part of the environment is better than the same switch that floats in mid air. So be creative, think about logical ways of implementing the logic into your design.

Note: Ugly levels are acceptable of course and may have a chance to win but the judges may be slightly biased towards good looking levels whether they admit it or not.

The aim: To help people understand how switches and logic mechanisms work and how they effect a level.

Deadline: New moon of October. That is the 18th of October.

The Prize:
1. 500xp
2. 250xp
3. 100xp

Have fun! And be creative, imaginative, resourceful, inventive, ingenious, original! :p

Entries so far:

PSN - Level name

manny_wtk - LBPC Back to Basics 2 Entry
TonyTwoGunz - Logical Behaviour
robotiod - B2B2 Terrible Times 1
lozynmymnd - Star of Pain
ghostrider135 - Toxic trouble back to basics entry

Judges:
rtm223
comphermc
Vidi--Vici
v0rtex

Night Angel
09-07-2009, 05:02 PM
And it makes a triumphant return! Sorry I couldn't make the first one; I was surprisingly very busy the first few weeks of school.

v0rtex
09-07-2009, 05:08 PM
Wait... Only 11 days? Can we not get a bit more time than this?

Syroc
09-07-2009, 05:11 PM
Oh, I meant October.

v0rtex
09-07-2009, 05:12 PM
Whew!! Thanks :)

Syroc
09-07-2009, 05:39 PM
Yeah, sorry about that I was somehow still in August. :)

rtm223
09-07-2009, 06:32 PM
I'll be a judge, if it pleases the congregation. I'll also be happy to start harrassing contestants around the closing date if they have nothing to show for themselves!

Syroc
09-07-2009, 06:36 PM
Good, I hereby name thee first judge of la compétition.

BSprague
09-08-2009, 02:09 AM
I'll make a new entry, just so we are all starting fresh. :)

comphermc
09-08-2009, 02:25 AM
I would also like to judge, as I don't think I'll be able to make a level in time.

We may have one inadvertant entry already. Assuming he decides to stop by, Hallm3 made a concise little level with completely visible logic. There's a thread in the showcase.

If he enters, then you shouldn't feel bad about having started your level, BSprague.

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Can I make one suggestion? Invisible speakers and magic mouths. We are at a disadvantage to MM in that their magic mouths can be very long. It looks tacky to have multiple mouths right next to each other. Also, there's really no advantage to being able to see the speakers. Music changes are fine, but the speakers would feel weird in my opinion.

ViDi--ViCi
09-08-2009, 03:08 AM
if u need another judge, ill judge...:p

Syroc
09-08-2009, 11:57 AM
Good point, comphermc. I'll add that to the first post cause as you said it is pretty obvious that a speaker or magic mouth is active.

You two will be the the last two judges.

rtm223
09-14-2009, 01:08 PM
On the subject of magic mouths and speakers, especially the latter:

I would like to see people try to incorporate them into the aesthetics in some fashon. Obviously you can hide them as per the rules, but the more that's visible (and incorporated in a clever way) the better :) This is, after all, the essense of the competition.


Also, who else wants to enter this fabulous competition? C'mon!

TonyTwoGunz
09-14-2009, 01:47 PM
I think i'll have a bit of this challenge, its a great idea! Best get my thinking head on:idea:

manny_wtk
09-14-2009, 06:45 PM
I'll have a go at this, this time i'll put more effort. *puts on serious pants*

manny_wtk
09-15-2009, 09:39 PM
I'm done, got it published. I know theres still a lot of time left, but I've drawn blank as to what to add. Hope you guys like it.

Syroc
09-15-2009, 09:52 PM
Excellent. What's the name of the level?

manny_wtk
09-15-2009, 10:08 PM
LBPC Back to Basics 2 Entry

Syroc
09-15-2009, 10:13 PM
Good choice. :)
Added you to the first post.

King_Tubb
09-15-2009, 10:22 PM
Ill enter this contest im already in comphermc's so this will be my second ever community contest. I have a day off Thursday from skoo, so ill see what I can do. :p

TonyTwoGunz
09-16-2009, 11:21 PM
My entry should be done in the next few days or so. Its called Logical Behaviour if you want to add it to the first post. :cool:
Published it now, its at the bottom of my planet.

rtm223
09-24-2009, 01:54 AM
Come on now, who's entering this time round? There are about three weeks left. Post your names below if you are considering / halfway through making an entry, so I can get pestering you throughout october :D

v0rtex
09-24-2009, 05:06 AM
Yeah - I'm in... have a pretty good start.

I have one question on the rules. I understand everything must be visible, but does that include things that might naturally be hidden? Take, for instance, the meerkats in the Story levels. We never actually see their pistons, though we all know they are popping up out of the ground on them. Just curious...

Syroc
09-24-2009, 03:56 PM
Oh, I honestly hadn't considered that. What I would say is that the mechanisms for doors and the like should be visible, but for something non-substantial like bouncing meerkats it's not necessary that you see the piston, as long as you see the switch(es) that activate them.

It's not really about us, (those that create all the time) but rather about those that would like to create but have trouble understanding the basics.



(Thanks rtm for bumping this thread every now and then.)

manny_wtk
09-24-2009, 09:24 PM
only 2 entries so far? c'mon ppl, are you just gunna let us have those points or give us a run for our money...er, points.

rtm223
09-25-2009, 10:08 AM
@syroc: am I really that obvious? :)

Well v0rtex, BSprague and King_Tubb have said they are working on something, so that's 5 :)

Should probably go and play the current entries at some point. Remember that you can carry on editing until the deadline :D

Syroc
09-28-2009, 12:58 PM
@syroc: am I really that obvious? :)

No, but my spidersenses are super accurate. :p

*cough*

20 days to go.

In other news I might be able to judge myself, depending on the shops actually stocking the Uncharted bundle in time.

Fredrik94
09-28-2009, 01:24 PM
I might participate...

robotiod
10-01-2009, 02:37 PM
Ok i think i will make a level for this i really wanted to enter last time but i didn't have the free time.

robotiod
10-03-2009, 01:58 PM
Ok here is the start of my level i thought i would show it off

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss314/robotiod/APhoto_3.jpg

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss314/robotiod/APhoto_4.jpg

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss314/robotiod/APhoto_5.jpg

Syroc
10-03-2009, 02:11 PM
Thank you for entering. :)

robotiod
10-03-2009, 02:23 PM
Thank you for entering. :)

Its not finished yet but i should be able to get it out in time. Well i will get it out in time i'm good at keeping a deadline.

Syroc
10-03-2009, 02:28 PM
The levels don't have to be complete to win. :)

rtm223
10-03-2009, 02:39 PM
It will help if it doesn't just end at a cliff and some dark matter and then running along the level floor though ;)

Syroc
10-03-2009, 02:40 PM
Of course.

robotiod
10-03-2009, 02:54 PM
I will probably have it up by next saturday if its not ready i'll just make and ending but i'm making a boss battle and everything so that people can see my logic.

v0rtex
10-05-2009, 08:48 AM
I have a question about the rules. It says no invisible materials. I've realized that I am using very small (hence invisible) dark matter in several places. It's just become such habit. Will this be allowed? Do I need to go in a change all of these?

Guess I should have read the rules more closely before I started. lol

robotiod
10-05-2009, 09:10 AM
I have a question about the rules. It says no invisible materials. I've realized that I am using very small (hence invisible) dark matter in several places. It's just become such habit. Will this be allowed? Do I need to go in a change all of these?

Guess I should have read the rules more closely before I started. lol

No I think yourt just not aloud invisble walls but using invisimatter to hold the level up is aloud.

Syroc
10-05-2009, 12:15 PM
What rob said. Invisible dark matter to hold thinks up is allowed. Invisible floors and walls however are not.

v0rtex
10-05-2009, 01:08 PM
Cool. Thank you both.

Drakora
10-06-2009, 02:36 AM
I'll have my entry up soon.

EDIT: It's up!
lozynmymnd-Star of Pain

Syroc
10-06-2009, 08:03 AM
Thank you!

rtm223
10-06-2009, 08:42 AM
So we currently have 3 finished entries, 2 confirmed entries and a couple of maybes.

This is much better than last time ;)

robotiod
10-06-2009, 09:11 AM
LOL i have done a crazy ammount of level building in the last 4 days i'mgoing crazy. LOL I have almost filled my thermometer half way because i have also did some serious thermo saving. I must say the other entries are going to struggle against my detail but they might be better at gameplay. Its going to be a good competition though.

Syroc
10-06-2009, 09:16 AM
This is much better than last time ;)

A 100% increase, to be precise. :D

robotiod
10-06-2009, 09:26 AM
A 100% increase, to be precise. :D

Well in all fairness it wasn't that hard to beet lol

rtm223
10-06-2009, 10:01 AM
Well a 100% increase would still be 0, so we're doing better than that :D

Syroc
10-06-2009, 10:18 AM
Pff, pedant.

:p

rtm223
10-06-2009, 11:01 AM
You call it pedantry, I call it being right ;)

Tomato / tomato....

BSprague
10-06-2009, 11:03 AM
Well I lost all of my data and backups in a power outage a couple days ago, so my entry is gone.

Syroc
10-06-2009, 11:18 AM
Aw, that's a shame. :(
Have you not published a locked copy?

ghostrider135
10-06-2009, 01:33 PM
hey just a quiery can we enter more than 1 level coz i may edit one of my other levels aswell as the 1 im considering and the comp is still open i take it yes

Syroc
10-06-2009, 02:21 PM
I'd prefer it if you chose your best work. Sorry. But you still have 12 days, that should be plenty of time to edit another level and see which one you like best. :)

ghostrider135
10-06-2009, 03:39 PM
thanks for that i shall get on with it later i take it i just post the name of the level in this thread also yes

Syroc
10-06-2009, 04:55 PM
Yup, and the PSN ID the level is published under in case it differs from the one in your profile.

Drakora
10-06-2009, 05:50 PM
I'd prefer it if you chose your best work. Sorry. But you still have 12 days, that should be plenty of time to edit another level and see which one you like best. :)

There's still 12 days? I thought it was over on the 8th. :(

ghostrider135
10-06-2009, 06:29 PM
my entry is now published :), it looks abit rough now though coz i had originally hidden alot of the mechanics of the level, though i hope the minor improvisations help me win lol, the level is Toxic trouble back to basics entry and the psn is ghostrider135 :) to see the original un edited version its Toxic trouble beta under the same psn

Syroc
10-06-2009, 08:25 PM
@Drakon: Why the sad face? You have 10 more days to make everything smooth and fun. :)

@ghostrider: I'll add it to the first post. Thanks for entering.

@everyone: If you already published your level, feel free to tweak things until the 18th of October.

Drakora
10-06-2009, 10:15 PM
@Drakon: Why the sad face? You have 10 more days to make everything smooth and fun.

I was sad because if I knew the deadline was the 18th, I'd haven't have rushed.

rtm223
10-06-2009, 10:33 PM
I was sad because if I knew the deadline was the 18th, I'd haven't have rushed.

keep on tweaking. Rebuild stuff, take your time. If you feel you've rushed then there is room of improvement. Obviously there is no pressure to change it if you don't want to, but if you would have spent more time on it and feel you could have done better, then here's your chance.

Plus if you say your sad because of this competition, then you're gonna make syroc cry, and he's a really nice guy y'know. You don't wana make syroc cry do you? ;)

Seriously though, I'm probably gonna play through the current entries in the next couple of days, but I'll withold any kind of judgement till after the deadline, so do feel free to improve and tinker :)

robotiod
10-07-2009, 02:50 PM
ARRRRRGH I really want the level out by saturday but i think it might draw into next saturday till i get it out. I'm happy with it so far but *Sigh* i'm spending too much time on the screan i'm going to go blind.

Great about ghostriders entry i like that level well "BETA" i would really like to see it in B2B but i think he should do the gardens i fell its a better level really and he wouldn't have to change much.

I'm really looking forward to the finish of this competition but i may not enter the next one lol. RL getting in the way:)

Its so good that this competition has taken off because it is a great idea for a competition.

robotiod
10-10-2009, 02:21 PM
Sorry for the double post but i have published my level and in LBP fashion it broke right before publishing lol.
Its called B2B2 Terrible Times 1

v0rtex
10-10-2009, 03:39 PM
I may end up having to bow out of this. I have only a beginning completed, and real life (i.e. my job and a couple of 50+ hour weeks, and my kids extracurricular activities) has really put a damper on my creative productivity.

:(

Hopefully there' s a Round 3 and I can just hold on to what I have until then.

Syroc
10-11-2009, 09:58 AM
:(

One week to go everyone.

robotiod
10-13-2009, 09:22 AM
I can't wait for the results of this competition there are some good levels.

Syroc
10-15-2009, 11:13 AM
Only four days before let loose the hounds... I mean judges to judge your work. Remember, your levels will only be judged if they are listed in the first post, so if I forgot one please remind me.

rtm223
10-15-2009, 12:06 PM
Should we maybe find out if vidi-vici is going to be available for judging, he's not very active on the forums and I don't know if he's actually planning on coming back. Do you wanna send him a PM to find out syroc?

Syroc
10-15-2009, 12:23 PM
Ah, good point. I'll send him a message.

v0rtex
10-15-2009, 01:12 PM
Since I was/am unable to complete my level, I would be willing to judge, if you're short. :)

robotiod
10-15-2009, 02:31 PM
4 days left wow, Since publishing my entry i have been on a creative block i'm really unhappy about it.

Syroc
10-15-2009, 04:34 PM
Since I was/am unable to complete my level, I would be willing to judge, if you're short. :)

That'll be good. Thanks. :)

Syroc
10-18-2009, 10:25 AM
Right, last day. I'm going to send all the judges a PM later today and explain in more detail how to rate the levels etc.

robotiod
10-19-2009, 09:23 AM
OOOh i can't wait for the results

Syroc
10-19-2009, 10:22 PM
Me neither. :)

Quick status update: One of the three judges has send me his opinion. I'm just waiting for the other two to pass along their opinion.

rtm223
10-19-2009, 10:27 PM
I've actually played all of them. But I haven't decided yet :p Expect my response in a few hours

Edit - this never happened. Sorry, I got distracted :( Tonight I will submit my verdict.

Syroc
10-21-2009, 10:05 PM
Right, I have all the results, but just need to clarify one thing before posting them. So, uhm, I post them tomorrow if I'm not completely drowned in work. If I am I will probably postpone it to the weekend to have a look at the levels myself.

Sorry for taking so long. :(

rtm223
10-22-2009, 09:36 AM
So you have a PS3 again now?

Syroc
10-22-2009, 11:33 AM
Not yet, but tomorrow or Saturday. Whenever I can find the time to run into town really. :)

Syroc
10-23-2009, 04:26 PM
Right, since I may not get a PS3 afterall to have a look myself

The results are in!

5th lozynmymnd - Star of Pain
4th manny_wtk - LBPC Back to Basics 2 Entry3rd ghostrider135 - Toxic trouble back to basics entry2nd robotiod - B2B2 Terrible Times 1 You can probably guess it nowTonyTwoGunz - Logical Behaviour


Congratulations! \o/

PS: The judges get a little something, too. :)

robotiod
10-24-2009, 08:56 AM
Well congradulations to everyone who entered can't wait to see you all in the next round.

v0rtex
10-24-2009, 03:43 PM
Congrats to all the winners! They were all a lot of fun to play!

TonyTwoGunz
10-26-2009, 05:16 PM
Would somebody be able to post the results in a reply please. I have to use my PS3 for the internet for now and it wont let me open the results part on Syrocs post. Thanks

robotiod
10-26-2009, 05:28 PM
5th lozynmymnd - Star of Pain
4th manny_wtk - LBPC Back to Basics 2 Entry
3rd ghostrider135 - Toxic trouble back to basics entry
2nd robotiod - B2B2 Terrible Times 1
1st TonyTwoGunz - Logical Behaviour

Mnniska
10-26-2009, 05:52 PM
Will it be a round 3? :D

rtm223
10-26-2009, 05:54 PM
I believe if there is interest from creators then there will certainly be a round three. Do you want in?

Syroc
10-26-2009, 05:55 PM
Maybe. I'm not sure yet. The problem with a competition like this is that making levels takes time and many creators are always building on their own projects.

As rtm just said while I was typing if there is enough interest there may be another round.

TonyTwoGunz
10-26-2009, 07:35 PM
Nice, i won! :)
Congrats to everyone else who entered, and thanks to the judges and Syroc for hosting the comp.

Id consider entering round 3 if it came around, i'll keep my eyes open. Thanks again.

Drakora
10-26-2009, 11:22 PM
Hmm, I hope there will be a Round 3.

v0rtex
10-27-2009, 12:52 AM
I've still got my unfinished beginnings from this round, so I'd certainly welcome a Round 3 !! :)

robotiod
10-27-2009, 09:04 AM
I deffinately want a round three this competition is really fun.

CreateNPlay
10-27-2009, 10:47 AM
Round three pleeease!

Mnniska
10-31-2009, 10:17 PM
I want a round 3!

Finally all my projects seem to clear up so I will have room for new projects soon now :D

Kern
11-02-2009, 10:04 PM
next round pleeeasse!!! i want to enter

rtm223
11-02-2009, 10:06 PM
if there is enough interest there may be another round.

Get on it then ;)

Syroc
11-03-2009, 09:08 AM
Ok, ok. Any preferences for a theme?

robotiod
11-03-2009, 09:15 AM
not particularly.

Kern
11-04-2009, 07:43 AM
im not bothered about a theme, but sci fi would be difficult to do without ~DLC~

Syroc
11-04-2009, 10:14 AM
What would you say to only allowing the eight basic materials?
That was my original idea for this contest, but I thought people might be more willing to take part if they could use some fancy wood etc. :)

robotiod
11-04-2009, 10:38 AM
basic materials sounds great i love using carboard anyways, i have made a few un published levels just out of the stuff

TonyTwoGunz
11-04-2009, 02:43 PM
Sounds like a great idea only using the 8 basic materials Syroc, im all for that! That way it'll show how creative people really can be:)

dawesbr
11-04-2009, 03:34 PM
What would be the rules about stickers/decorations??

Syroc
11-04-2009, 03:55 PM
Not sure. What do you all think? :)
If we'd stick to the theme there would be no stickers of course.

dawesbr
11-04-2009, 04:19 PM
I'd be happy with just the 8 materials. Decorations could, of course, be made out of emitters etc. if necessary. However, I think the rule should be no levels like "Cardboard World!" or "Rubber Madness!"

Syroc
11-04-2009, 04:28 PM
Yeah, more than one material will definitely be a rule.

Kern
11-04-2009, 06:06 PM
what about 3 materials... :p

Syroc
11-04-2009, 06:35 PM
Fine, as long as they are effective. Not just dark matter and dissolve for switches and cardboard for everything else. Nothing against cardboard, or single material levels, but that's not very creative. :)

mistervista
11-04-2009, 06:42 PM
Already done the 3 material level. Have you forgotten the Sackcast 'Gadders trial' that my 'PLASMAVILLE' level won.

I'd like to see something with the newer DLC materials such as the ones from the Monster and History packs. I haven't really seen any of those used to good effect yet even though we've had them for ages now.

Syroc
11-04-2009, 06:53 PM
Already done the 3 material level. Have you forgotten the Sackcast 'Gadders trial' that my 'PLASMAVILLE' level won.
This is the first time I've heard of it (level and contest) to be honest. :)


I'd like to see something with the newer DLC materials such as the ones from the Monster and History packs. I haven't really seen any of those used to good effect yet even though we've had them for ages now.
That we can do in the next if there is one. But it won't be fair to limit it to DLC material because some people are bound to complain about that. ;)

mistervista
11-04-2009, 06:57 PM
It was a contest to make a level using only dark matter, basic cardboard and dissolve. That included everything offscreen too including all switches. Can't believe you never heard of it. Don't you listen to the podcasts?

Syroc
11-04-2009, 07:03 PM
I do, but I don't really care about contests. And what I don't care about won't be remembered. :)

rtm223
11-04-2009, 09:07 PM
to limit it to DLC material ...

Would simply undermine the "back to basics"-ness of the entire contest.

dawesbr
11-04-2009, 10:33 PM
Would simply undermine the "back to basics"-ness of the entire contest.


But it won't be fair to limit it to DLC material

?

Also, I don't like the sound of 3 materials. I say, basic 8.

Syroc
11-04-2009, 10:34 PM
Yes, of course all eight. I never said it would be limited to three. :)

Kern
11-04-2009, 10:39 PM
and extra points if you can make interesting switchs and stuff...

iGotFancyPants
11-04-2009, 11:18 PM
and extra points if you can make interesting switchs and stuff...

I'm guessing you made some interesting switches... and stuff

:eek: