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TheAdipose
12-29-2009, 10:34 AM
Greetings happy gadders!

:idea: TheAdipose (me) and Luos_Desruc have made a pair of tutorial videos. :idea:
:idea: The aim is to help other gadders improve their scenery making skills. :idea:

This video focusses on making a cave (which could double as an underwater one).
We cover loads of topics from shape forming to lighting to stickers and many many more.

This is a still of the final cave we will talk you through making....

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab142/TheAdipose1980/cavetutorialPart2.jpg

Cave Tutorial Video Part ONE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhj4GhLrhKY)
Cave Tutorial Video Part TWO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm4KggdZd8M)

If you find them useful or have any useful feedback for us, please post here.

This level is COPYABLE to your moon so you can see what we did. Search for @luos_desruc on littlebigplanet to find it.

You are welcome to make requests for topics for future videos, and of course, please check out our levels too.

You can check out our levels here...
Coming Soon: The Puzzling Pine of Puzzlewood (http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19592)
Sack, The legendary - part one (http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19564)

Obiviously this video took a long time to make so please keep any criticism kind!

Thanks for watching,
Adi and Luos :grr::)

Kern
12-29-2009, 11:03 AM
cool!!! i dont think i'll use it but its still very useful

Luos_83
12-29-2009, 11:30 AM
lol, watching the results now,
you got a cool voice bro!

/watches the rest

Looks nice!
I could tell that I was nerveus though, knowing that this was recorded.

I really hope this will be usefull!

rseah
12-30-2009, 12:32 AM
very nice i learned the same tecnique while making my own level XD

Fail
12-30-2009, 02:00 AM
No matter how many of these videos I watch, I still suck at Create mode... Oh well, good tutorial, though.

TheAdipose
12-30-2009, 06:24 AM
Just keep experimenting fail! Glad you liked the video

glue
12-30-2009, 10:01 AM
Excellent tutorial, nice and clear, and very informative. Beautiful end result, as well.

Very useful for any creators trying to learn some simple yet very effective scenery techniques, and some advanced stuff as well.

galacemiguel
12-30-2009, 09:30 PM
Cool, I actually learned quite a bit from you guys. Great tutorial! This will be very useful for new creators looking to expand their knowledge on scenery. Nice job!

blackwiggle
12-30-2009, 10:40 PM
Nice tutorial,you made it look so incredibly easy.

I can see where I have been making the typical newbie mistake of adding by sections and gluing, rather than adding in layers.

The same goes for cutting away with addition in another layer.

I was watching the Thermo like a hawk while you were making the level, and it sure hit home that this method is not only easier,but far more thermo friendly.:star:

By the way,I tried to check out The Puzzling Pine of Puzzlewod and it was locked

TheAdipose
12-31-2009, 06:35 AM
Yeah that technique is really really useful - especially on irregular shapes like caves and forests.

Puzzlewood is locked because we are doing a MASSIVE overhaul of the whole thing then gonna re-release.

Sack, the legendary is all up and running though - so give them a go :)

Adi

TheAdipose
01-02-2010, 10:56 PM
This level is now COPYABLE to your moon so you can see what we did. Search for @luos_desruc on littlebigplanet to find it.

Fredrik94
01-02-2010, 11:48 PM
Really good guide, hoping for more soon! :D

Luos_83
01-03-2010, 10:23 AM
thanks you guys :)

TNSv
01-03-2010, 01:43 PM
This guide is very useful, and the techniques used are very effective.
You could (by "could" i mean "absolutely must") make more of these tutorial videos, since there are quite a lot of people who don't know how to make visually impressive stuff, and would love to learn how.

Great tutorial you two!

Fredrik94
01-03-2010, 07:28 PM
Okay, so you got the cave scenery done, how about expanding the cave idea, coming with various of tutorials on for example showing some good cave challenges you can make etc. and at the end come with a full example level...

Just a suggestion :P

Plasmavore
01-03-2010, 07:54 PM
Useful! Thanks! Unfortunately, I suck at caves, and I need to make one in my next level series :/

This helped! Thanks!

Luos_83
01-03-2010, 11:16 PM
Useful! Thanks! Unfortunately, I suck at caves, and I need to make one in my next level series :/

This helped! Thanks!

Practice makes perfect!
If you are not happy with the results, try again and again untill the results are at least average.
After that, if you ever need to create a cave again, things will go a lot faster and you will keep improving yourself!



Okay, so you got the cave scenery done, how about expanding the cave idea, coming with various of tutorials on for example showing some good cave challenges you can make etc. and at the end come with a full example level...

Just a suggestion :P

The small cave level is copy-able so (if you have the right packs/stickers) why not try to create a nice cave yourself :)
but its a good suggestion and I am sure me and adi will discuss it!

Syroc
01-04-2010, 09:44 AM
Just watched them both and noticed two thinks that you could do different (slightly more efficiently). If you want a dark cave you don't need the global settings tool right at the start, just set everything as you want in the main setting and regarding the light shaft, if you know that a player can't see the shaft don't make one as light shines through materials.

PS: You actually have a voice one can listen to unlike most tutorials. :D

Luos_83
01-04-2010, 03:37 PM
Just watched them both and noticed two thinks that you could do different (slightly more efficiently). If you want a dark cave you don't need the global settings tool right at the start, just set everything as you want in the main setting and regarding the light shaft, if you know that a player can't see the shaft don't make one as light shines through materials.

PS: You actually have a voice one can listen to unlike most tutorials. :D

just replied to you but intenet didnt want to publish it lol.
if you have an outside part after the cave, you need to change the global lighting again, obviously you will add this to a global lighting object, but especially when adding the lights you want to change the global settings in your pop-it menu to propperly edit the lighting settings of lamps/lights.
If you did so, you still have your global lighting object at the beginning with the right settings.

So even if you forget to change back the global lighting settings, when playing your level the lighting will always be correct.

also,
if your spotlight has shadows, the wall will get in the way with some of the fog/bloom/ray effect it has.
therefore we added the hole.
will try ingame later to be sure.

Syroc
01-04-2010, 03:44 PM
Fair enough. Everyone does it differently. :)

Walls only have an effect on light beams if you set it to shadow. I'm pretty sure that light set to Foggy or Normal passes through it like its not there

Luos_83
01-04-2010, 03:53 PM
since ours where set to shadow... you get the point :)
normal and foggy go trough walls like a ghost.

Ragfell
01-12-2010, 08:55 PM
Guys...wow. I've only watched the first clip...but wow. I'm definitely gonna try some of these techniques...the lighting might be a bit more difficult....but meh.

you guys, even though you might not like it, would you be up for doing something with the extra background glitch from a long time ago? That lets you put in materials all the way to the horizon? I've wanted to find a cool way of doing it, but I just can't think of anything.

Luos_83
01-12-2010, 09:09 PM
well.. adi suggested we would not use glitches since they tend to updated and removed.
Though I have the gut feel they will leave the 3d glitch and invissible material glitch alive since so many people use it.

We did use it in our magpie level though,
I have never used it, ladylyn explained it to me once, but I have not been able to do it myself, if you know how to propperly use it, you should show me!

Me and adi can allways discuss the possiblity though :)

ladylyn1
01-12-2010, 09:56 PM
Just watched both videos. They are really well made and clearly explained. Its always interesting to see how other people create levels.

You could try using the layer glitch, it takes a while to get used to and even longer to be able to create decent backgrounds. I'd say there are very few decent examples of it on lbp- perhaps the best being Wexfordians- Snakes on a Dame. Or Anposteller's Swinging Silhouette. But if i were you, I'd stick to videos like this... they're especially helpful for beginner/inter-mediate creators.

Also, it would be quite nice to see some puzzles incorporated in the future!

TheAdipose
01-12-2010, 10:40 PM
Thanks for the feedback lad. We will probably do some more advanced ones in the future. This was our first one - the boat, temple, forest and logic video tutorials do have some basic puzzles and explanation.

Adi