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ConfusedCartman
09-29-2008, 04:49 AM
Alright, as many people here are wondering about gamesharing, let me make it clear:

You may mention gamesharing in your posts. However, treat gamesharing like you would piracy: talking about it is ok, but planning or organizing it in any way is not.

My reasoning for this is simple: within the Playstation Network Terms of Use (http://www.us.playstation.com/support/useragreements/13) lies these fragments, which forbid gamesharing in a roundabout kind of way:





You may not provide anyone with your name or any other personally identifying information, or the name, password or personally identifying information of any other person or business through any means, including messaging, chat or any other form of PSN communication.
You may not sell, buy, trade, or otherwise transfer your Online ID or any personal access to PSN through any means or method, including by use of web auction sites.

In order to gameshare, you must transfer your personal access to PSN to another person, which is forbidden according to the above. There is also a clause that seems to refer to gamesharing itself, which is another reason we have this rule. As we're a fansite to a PS3 exclusive, we need to make sure we abide by the rules they set.

Whalio Cappuccino
09-29-2008, 04:51 AM
Alright, as many people here are wondering about gamesharing, let me make it clear:

Gamesharing has been acknowledged by Sony, and they have made no public moves against it, so I see no reason to completely abolish it. Due to that, you may mention gamesharing in your posts. However, treat gamesharing like you would piracy: talking about it is ok, but planning or organizing it in any way is not.

My reasoning for this is simple: within the Playstation Network Terms of Use (http://www.us.playstation.com/support/useragreements/13) lies these fragments, which forbid gamesharing in a roundabout kind of way:


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They do not explicitly mention gamesharing, but in order to gameshare, you must transfer your personal access to PSN to another person, which is forbidden according to the above.

Thanks for reading, guys. Sorry for interrupting your regular flow. I'll remove the force-read on this thread in about a week, so new members don't always have to read it.


Don't see why you have to say sorry, this definately needs to be known by everyone. Good job keeping this site under control. :)

Slevin
09-29-2008, 04:51 AM
Git, got me twice there, clicked on it then as I left the thread, it shoved me back here. :p

LittleBigMe
09-29-2008, 04:52 AM
Kthxbai. Thanks for the heads up Cartman :3.

Reshin
09-29-2008, 05:01 AM
Alright, as many people here are wondering about gamesharing, let me make it clear:

Gamesharing has been acknowledged by Sony, and they have made no public moves against it, so I see no reason to completely abolish it. Due to that, you may mention gamesharing in your posts. However, treat gamesharing like you would piracy: talking about it is ok, but planning or organizing it in any way is not.

My reasoning for this is simple: within the Playstation Network Terms of Use (http://www.us.playstation.com/support/useragreements/13) lies these fragments, which forbid gamesharing in a roundabout kind of way:

They do not explicitly mention gamesharing, but in order to gameshare, you must transfer your personal access to PSN to another person, which is forbidden according to the above. As we're a fansite to a PS3 exclusive, we need to make sure we abide by the rules they set.

Thanks for reading, guys. Sorry for interrupting your regular flow. I'll remove the force-read on this thread in about a week, so new members don't always have to read it.


source please? Not that I'm doubting you, but I've always wondered where did this come from...

ConfusedCartman
09-29-2008, 05:07 AM
source please? Not that I'm doubting you, but I've always wondered where did this come from...
Actually, I know I remember reading something(I think it may have been on their official blog) where they mentioned it, but I can't seem to find it. I definitely looked, though.

Reshin
09-29-2008, 05:19 AM
well if anyone can find it, I'll keep my promise to Jon and advocate our new stand on gamesharing.

until then (with all due respect)

ARE YOU NUTS!!! Switching the forum stance, after being acknowledged by Media Molecule!!!

edit: since it sounded like I'm against our "no game sharing" stance, I'm talking about allowing gamesharing talks.... can't we just completely abolish it....

Mark D. Stroyer
09-29-2008, 05:36 AM
Understood, and agreed. Because really, it is a form of piracy. Which, unfortunately, has become far too accepted among our society.

Just wondering, however: What exactly is meant by "acknowledged"? Simply a "Yeah, we know it's going on"?

Code1337
09-29-2008, 05:47 AM
well if anyone can find it, I'll keep my promise to Jon and advocate our new stand on gamesharing.

until then (with all due respect)

ARE YOU NUTS!!! Switching the forum stance, after being acknowledged by Media Molecule!!!
Media Molecule only has control over LBP. It's Sony that would get angered by this, but seeing as they only gave us merely 5 beta codes, I doubt that they even care about this site. I mean, Sam is the only one who even bothers to post, and he does so rarely.

Reshin
09-29-2008, 05:51 AM
well if MM will be selling stuff through PSN, gamesharing will harm them aswell...

and I see no harm in going to the "no gamesharing" side and going against it. We can make a stand and draw the line instead of staying neutral about it...

ConfusedCartman
09-29-2008, 06:04 AM
well if MM will be selling stuff through PSN, gamesharing will harm them aswell...

and I see no harm in going to the "no gamesharing" side and going against it. We can make a stand and draw the line instead of staying neutral about it...
I don't think we should completely abolish it, because that turns into more work for staff. What do we do with posts that mention gamesharing? Should we discipline someone because they said "gameshare"? It's a blurred line, and we may not all agree on when someone crosses it. It's just easier to set restrictions that are distinct.

Reshin
09-29-2008, 06:21 AM
I can't think of a topic about gamesharing that doesn't involve setting up the trade in some way anyway.

So I'll stand down,


if I may ask, how is abolishing game sharing completely more work for the staff? Woudn't it be easier to delete something that says gamesharing is a lot easier than thinking if the topic about gamesharing go by the rules and monitor it daily...

TheArmedReaper
09-29-2008, 07:13 AM
Actually, I know I remember reading something(I think it may have been on their official blog) where they mentioned it, but I can't seem to find it. I definitely looked, though.
I mentioned it! Yay me!
XD

KAPBAM
09-29-2008, 09:19 AM
Nice info, worth the force-read :)

Killian
09-29-2008, 10:07 AM
Thanks for clearing that up. :)

Rabid-Coot
09-29-2008, 10:16 AM
I recomed that people keep sharing amongst friends they know they can trust, I've heard of quite a few people losing their PSN to complete strangers on the internet.

Thee-Flash
09-29-2008, 10:29 AM
would never want that happen so yea friends and family only =)

MooCowsRevenge
09-29-2008, 10:36 AM
Understood. It's not necessarily something I'd risk anyway.

Kyashu
09-29-2008, 11:22 AM
Yeah it is a bit too dodgy sharing passwords and everything , and since all mine are linked to all the same doesnt help lol. But defintley agree with cartman. Atleast no one can say they don't know the rules :P

RadarFlea
09-29-2008, 03:15 PM
I think that buying a game once then giving it to complete strangers is a bit shady:(
I guess to do it with friends and family is alright, but I am always paranoid.

mongoose7
09-29-2008, 04:43 PM
Good work keeping the site under control, you're like shampoo but for the forum instead of hair!!!

Enter Sackman
09-29-2008, 05:46 PM
Good info, and a needed forced-read.

Maltay
09-29-2008, 05:58 PM
I shared with guitar once.. and he's banned now. Thank god he didnt hack me or anything.

I feel to guilty to do it again though, I think.

Killa_5150
09-29-2008, 10:27 PM
Sounds good, thanks for making this site what it is:)

Farro
09-29-2008, 11:20 PM
Thanks for the info.

12454522412412
09-30-2008, 05:10 AM
Thanks for clearing that up. :)

can you gameshare the beta... if you were to guess...

ConfusedCartman
09-30-2008, 05:31 AM
can you gameshare the beta... if you were to guess...
No. In fact, it will lock your beta code so nobody can use it, including you. Don't try it.

Thee-Flash
09-30-2008, 05:34 AM
I shared with guitar once.. and he's banned now. Thank god he didnt hack me or anything.

I feel to guilty to do it again though, I think.

..... only do with people you trust *GOSH*

unless if you did trust him well there you go...

12454522412412
09-30-2008, 06:07 AM
im not ganna name names but i have gotten like 100 bucks in games from several people on this site... i dont personally know them but they have hearts ( this big )

i havent hacked an account and dont plan on it.....

(all that is hypothetical, of course)
gameshareing is bad

Whalio Cappuccino
09-30-2008, 06:42 AM
Good work keeping the site under control, you're like shampoo but for the forum instead of hair!!!

Lol what the hell dude...

lil_stikz
09-30-2008, 01:30 PM
thx for letting me kno

Littledeur-
10-03-2008, 07:14 AM
oke :) im new :)

Sackboyz_In_The_Hood
10-04-2008, 04:09 PM
Thanks! :kz:

Bearskopff
10-05-2008, 12:47 PM
Cheers for the heads up! :)

McKade
10-05-2008, 07:27 PM
Thank you.

Reshin
10-18-2008, 12:34 AM
Bringing this matter up again.

Sony has updated the PSN contract as of October 15

Section 7

...You may not bypass, disable, or circumvent any encryption, security, digital rights management or authentication mechanism in connection with PSN or any of the content offered through PSN. You acknowledge that the PSN, including some content provided through PSN, may contain security or technical features that will prevent use of such content in violation of this Agreement. Notwithstanding any terms, the Property is not licensed for resale, public performance, display, distribution or broadcast. You acknowledge that some content providers and licensors are intended third party beneficiaries who have rights to enforce this Agreement against you and your permitted users....

Then theirs a bunch of stuff about they can delete your account and you won't get any refunds... basically Sony is finally cracking down on Gamesharing. There is a God!! (also theirs another section that says Sony reserves the right to automatically download stuff into the PS3 to better the network and what not.... Home isn't optional???)


now can we stop being neutral about it?

Thee-Flash
10-18-2008, 12:39 AM
Bringing this matter up again.

Sony has updated the PSN contract as of October 15

Section 7


Then theirs a bunch of stuff about they can delete your account and you won't get any refunds... basically Sony is finally cracking down on Gamesharing. There is a God!! (also theirs another section that says Sony reserves the right to automatically download stuff into the PS3 to better the network and what not.... Home isn't optional???)


now can we stop being neutral about it?

so game sharing = NO GO ??

Sad_Eva
02-19-2009, 07:49 PM
Read and understood. Seeing I was hacked in another game by a good friend once, I am not gonna do it ever again, I'm too paranoid for that now. :D

Wonko the Sane
02-19-2009, 08:28 PM
Err... what is gamesharing exactly? I never heard the term before.

Gilgamesh
02-19-2009, 08:42 PM
Err... what is gamesharing exactly? I never heard the term before.

Hmmm, this is a bit of an OOOOLD thread but...

Gamesharing is giving your PSN information (name + pass) to another person so that they can download things from your PSN purchases onto their PS3.

For several obvious reasons, I don't suggest you try this yourself.

Wonko the Sane
02-19-2009, 08:48 PM
I'm not about to, just curious to what its about.

Don Vhalt
02-27-2009, 05:19 PM
Hmmm, this is a bit of an OOOOLD thread but...

Gamesharing is giving your PSN information (name + pass) to another person so that they can download things from your PSN purchases onto their PS3.

For several obvious reasons, I don't suggest you try this yourself.

This isn't really important but you wouldn't have to give your password if it was someone you knew and lived near you could go to there house and download the games onto there PS3, just thought i'd point that out.

Gilgamesh
02-27-2009, 06:13 PM
This isn't really important but you wouldn't have to give your password if it was someone you knew and lived near you could go to there house and download the games onto there PS3, just thought i'd point that out.

But then you wouldn't need to organize gamesharing on this forum. The rule is really meant to counter the case I've mentioned AFAIK.

Luos_83
03-28-2009, 12:05 PM
But..
what if you and your bro buy a game together,
and he moves out.
you are both owners of the game,
so both have the right to use it/play it.

so, "gamesharing" should fall in the same catagory.

and afaik, it isnt illegal to make an extra copy for yourself,
at least not over here.

If you download a game on xbox live, or psn for that mather, all accounts on your console have access to these games,
me and my bro now have 2 x-box360 consoles, and he still has the arcade games I purchased on my account.

Don Vhalt
04-08-2009, 10:00 AM
But then you wouldn't need to organize gamesharing on this forum. The rule is really meant to counter the case I've mentioned AFAIK.

Yeah I was just talking generally.

Luos_83
04-08-2009, 11:30 AM
If I buy a game,
may it be an expension pack, may it be a full game,
may it be an arcade game.
When I buy it, I purchased it, its mine.

It is then my choice if I want to give away the game, sell the game and even copy the game for personal use.

Often me and a friend buy the same game together,
and give one of us a copy of our both owned game.
(there is as far as I know, no law that says "No!!" to this)
The moment we buy something,
In my humble opinion its ours, and the previous owners (game-companies for this mather) cannot tell me what I can and cannot do with my personal belongings,
within certain set of rules obviously.
So If my friend uses his creditcard to buy the MGS lbp expansion pack,
and I pay him half, I also have the right to play the expansion.

I need a lawyer for some good old fashioned discussion about this lol.

QuozL
04-08-2009, 02:18 PM
Luos,

You buy a single license to the software, whether or not you, your friend or 100 friends put money in to purchase that software you buy a single license for use on a single PS3.

Read the terms and conditions of use from the PS3 site or in any manual of any software for the PS3 and it explicitly says what you own is a single use license to use the software you have purchased and it explicitly says that game sharing is not allowed and therefore why discussing organising it is not allowed on this site. It matters not how many people buy that single license it is still a single license for use on a single machine.

Cheers QuozL

alexbull_uk
04-09-2009, 12:32 AM
Luos,

You buy a single license to the software, whether or not you, your friend or 100 friends put money in to purchase that software you buy a single license for use on a single PS3.

Read the terms and conditions of use from the PS3 site or in any manual of any software for the PS3 and it explicitly says what you own is a single use license to use the software you have purchased and it explicitly says that game sharing is not allowed and therefore why discussing organising it is not allowed on this site. It matters not how many people buy that single license it is still a single license for use on a single machine.

Cheers QuozL

Not necessarily. It says when you buy almost anything of PSN (LBP costumes, etc. included) that the software is:

"Licensed for use on up to 5 authorised consoles"

Meaning that if you want 4 other people to have the content... you can.
After all, why would there be an option to authorise accounts on your PS3 if it were not allowed for you to use it?

In fact, my brother brought Map Pack 1 (for CoD) and I also got it from his account. Is it illegal? Nope :)

Sackdragon
04-09-2009, 02:00 AM
What if it's to get something free that was only available during a certain time period?

ConfusedCartman
04-09-2009, 02:44 AM
What if it's to get something free that was only available during a certain time period?
Nope, that's still considered Gamesharing. Don't use the site to organize it and you're fine.

I don't think this topic needs any more discussion. We're set on our policy regarding this matter.