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ConfusedCartman
02-27-2010, 02:24 AM
We have confirmed that there has indeed been cheating in the voting. Sadly, monkeysboys, one of the authors of Dead Space: New Arrivals, has taken it upon himself to make multiple accounts and attempt to sway the votes in his favor. We do not know at this time if the other author was involved or even aware of what he was doing, but suffice it to say that level will be disqualified. This thread has been locked and the poll closed - we will reset the scores and start over again, with a new level replacing the Dead Space level.

We apologize to the finalists for delaying the results even further, but starting fresh is the only way to be sure. Thanks again for bearing with us as we sort this out.

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Our judging staff (also known as the very impartial Site Staff ;)) have each played through all of the submissions and we have agreed on a list of the top five highest quality entries. There were lots of awesome entries, so picking out only five was a difficult task indeed! We hope we have done everyone justice in our selections, and we doubly hope we haven't insulted those who did not make the top five. The 5 levels we felt stood out above the rest are listed below (in alphabetical order) with the published PSN emboldened and green.
Dead Space: New Arrivals by monkeysboys and steve_big_guns
Gone Missing by Spawner1AndOnly and X-NOBODY-X
Howdy Partners! by killzonequinn07 and Ruof
No Peg's Island by Lunieizsicc and Shris
Wooden Perception by JJohnson24 and Vandz
Now, since we can't in good conscience pick a "best" level from these submissions, we are asking you, the Player, to help us! If you'd like to take part, play each of these five levels and decide which one you like best, then return to this thread and vote for it using the voting tools above this post. Now remember, the winning team will receive a raft of awesome prizes, including a rare LittleBigPlanet Prize Crown, so your vote counts!

TheFirstAvenger
02-27-2010, 03:54 AM
I have played both Dead Space and Howdy Parteners and can safely say these two levels are just amazing. Dead Space, finally a level to rival the famous Starcruiser. And Howdy Partners, a beautiful level filled with many fun and original puzzles, it will be hard picking between these two! I'll have to play through the others levels as well, I'm surpirsed I haven't even heard of them before! :P

comphermc
02-27-2010, 04:10 AM
I cannot stress enough that we would like you to play all of the levels before voting. Thanks again to all participants. It was very tough to narrow it down to 5 levels, and we were very impressed with the overall quality of the entries.

:)

warlord_evil
02-27-2010, 04:15 AM
How long do we get to vote?

Night Angel
02-27-2010, 04:47 AM
Really have to get to playing LBP now...

TripleTremelo
02-27-2010, 05:37 AM
When does voting close?

mistervista
02-27-2010, 09:05 AM
Oh dear I'm disappointed that bakscratch and my level didn't make the cut but congrats to the 5 that did. There are some very good levels there.

I have cast my vote but won't say who for just yet. I will say though that it's definitely not for GM because that one missed the deadline for entries and it would be an absolute travesty if that ended up winning.

Good luck to all the others though.

bakscratch
02-27-2010, 10:21 AM
Screw this im not coming back here any more.

Doopz
02-27-2010, 10:54 AM
I think i played one of them :p i'll play the others before voting don't worry.

comphermc
02-27-2010, 11:14 AM
Screw this im not coming back here any more.

Why? Like I said above, many of the levels we played were really good, but when we narrowed them down to five, we had to make tough decisions. Why be bitter about this? There were over 22 entries... this means that there are going to be more unhappy people people than happy people. Why should we even hold these contests if you can't be thankful for our efforts. It would have been much easier on us to not have a contest, but we wanted to have a little fun with everyone here. It's all about fun. If you're going to "leave" for not being chosen in a contest, then you are missing the spirit and purpose of it all.

OmegaSlayer
02-27-2010, 12:01 PM
My vote goes to
"IN PURSUE OF THE MEDDLING MAGPIE" by TheAdipose & Luos_Desruc.

At the staff:

You can't avoid to p!ss people off if you still make secret decision.
I already complained about the nonsense about some spotlight, and only Zwollie tried to give me the best answer he can.

As far as it concern the spotlight, you should make clear the guidelines that lead to judgement. (Avoiding even easy spotlights for famous creators)
I've seen stuff that didn't deserve to be spotlighted that was spotlighted (even levels that were BROKEN AFTER being spotlighted), and viceversa.
Lately a lot of levels have been spotlighted for just one aspect (visuals, gameplay, story) and not as an all-round experience.
When Cap'N Sackbeard wasn't praised by the community and MM, I just thought: "OK, except a few creators (Comphy, rtm, GrantosUK, CCubbage, mrssupercomputer, teebonesy, Miglioshin, gevurah22, mother-misty, NinjaMicWZ, you won't ever come back soon enough), this game is doomed, since there's no interest in pushing gameplay and ideas forward"

And the people of the community should pick their favourite for the contest.
As things are right now, I see a cooked meal, and someone already decided for a menu with dishes full of fishes and I have to pick one...but I'm intollerant to fish, so I'm not going to eat.

I think that something should change in this community, because it's getting broken due to some questionable decision.
When everything is clear, there's no place to argue about.
FFS! It's a f'n game, not CIA or FBI, there's no need to keep decisions secret, or have an echelon of 15-20 members deciding subjectively for 8800 users.
People like backscratch has not missed the fun point, but I think to share his thoughts saying that he's disappointed because someone (WHO??? HOW MANY??? and WHY??? and WITH WHICH KIND OF AUTHORITY???) decided that the sweat, the passion and whatever he concealed into the level was not on par with some other stuff, based on a minority and subjective decision.

I can assure that there's a lot of guys that feels like me (I don't know if they'll back me up, though)
I hope you can accept mine as a constructive speech.

Vandz
02-27-2010, 12:31 PM
Oh cool, thanks for puttng us in the top 5. gl

mrsvista
02-27-2010, 12:38 PM
I tend to agree with you OmegaSlayer. There were only 22 entries, it's not like there were hundreds. Why not let the community vote between all 22 entries?

AND...

Why does the level 'Gone Missing' say on LBP that it was 'first published' on the 15th of February? I thought the deadline for entries was the 14th of February?
There is no wonder people get annoyed, if the goalposts can be moved for some people and not others.

Tawarf
02-27-2010, 12:47 PM
My vote goes to
"IN PURSUE OF THE MEDDLING MAGPIE" by TheAdipose & Luos_Desruc.

At the staff:

You can't avoid to p!ss people off if you still make secret decision.
I already complained about the nonsense about some spotlight, and only Zwollie tried to give me the best answer he can.

As far as it concern the spotlight, you should make clear the guidelines that lead to judgement. (Avoiding even easy spotlights for famous creators)
I've seen stuff that didn't deserve to be spotlighted that was spotlighted (even levels that were BROKEN AFTER being spotlighted), and viceversa.
Lately a lot of levels have been spotlighted for just one aspect (visuals, gameplay, story) and not as an all-round experience.
When Cap'N Sackbeard wasn't praised by the community and MM, I just thought: "OK, except a few creators (Comphy, rtm, GrantosUK, CCubbage, mrssupercomputer, teebonesy, Miglioshin, gevurah22, mother-misty, NinjaMicWZ, you won't ever come back soon enough), this game is doomed, since there's no interest in pushing gameplay and ideas forward"

And the people of the community should pick their favourite for the contest.
As things are right now, I see a cooked meal, and someone already decided for a menu with dishes full of fishes and I have to pick one...but I'm intollerant to fish, so I'm not going to eat.

I think that something should change in this community, because it's getting broken due to some questionable decision.
When everything is clear, there's no place to argue about.
FFS! It's a f'n game, not CIA or FBI, there's no need to keep decisions secret, or have an echelon of 15-20 members deciding subjectively for 8800 users.
People like backscratch has not missed the fun point, but I think to share his thoughts saying that he's disappointed because someone (WHO??? HOW MANY??? and WHY??? and WITH WHICH KIND OF AUTHORITY???) decided that the sweat, the passion and whatever he concealed into the level was not on par with some other stuff, based on a minority and subjective decision.

I can assure that there's a lot of guys that feels like me (I don't know if they'll back me up, though)
I hope you can accept mine as a constructive speech.

This Is a speech i could not have said better. Thxs for pointing this out Omega slayer.

comphermc
02-27-2010, 01:28 PM
The deadline was extended by 12 hours by CC after some concern with a few late entries. Check the last page in the submission thread to see his post.

The reason that we chose to pick the "top 5" was because 22 entries is still a large number. I can assure you that if we left 22 entries to be voted upon, very few would play them all, yet still cast their vote. It makes me kind of angry that we go through the whole process of putting this on for you guys... something we thought you would have enjoyed, but then all you do is condemn our efforts. It really makes us think twice about doing something like this in the future.

@Omega - your point, if valid here, is valid for every judged competition ever.

mistervista
02-27-2010, 01:32 PM
Well I definitely back you up OmegaSlayer.

I agree completely about the Community Spotlight debacle aswell. For many months now it's been obvious that the clique on this forum who make the decisions have their favourites and those peoples levels are automatically spotlighted even before the level has been made ! regardless of the quality. I have complained about it many times already which is why I never get spotlighted.

I'm obviously on their blacklist and I apologise to bakscratch because without me on his team he would probably have stood a much better chance of being selected.
He has asked me to make another level with him but I think I will have to decline now as I don't want to scupper his chances of recognition again.

To answer comphermc yes maybe you shouldn't have any more contests because your bias towards certain creators definitely "clouds your judgement" ( that's the nice way of putting it ). Anyone who breaks the rules just to let 1 late entry get in and then has the gall to select that for the final 5 should not be in charge of running contests like this at all. It's out and out fraud and if you allow that level to win then you should be extremely ashamed of yourself and will lose any shred of respect that I may have left for you. I'm talking to all the judges involved in this, not just you comphermc.

mistervista
02-27-2010, 01:36 PM
Just seen your last post comphermc as I posted mine and that's exactly what I'm talking about. You don't honestly think we believe that ******** do you ?

We all know you gave that 12 hours simply to accomodate XNX and Spawner. We knew it at the time and we know it now.

KQuinn94Z
02-27-2010, 01:37 PM
All in all. I would not have chosen any of these levels as the winner. I wouldve voted for mig and omega.

BlahYourHamster
02-27-2010, 01:39 PM
Best we turn our skills up to 11 next time!

Well done to all the finalists, and a great selection of levels!

My vote goes to Killzonequinn's team :) An astonishing 2 player level.

mistervista
02-27-2010, 01:40 PM
All in all. I would not have chosen any of these levels as the winner. I wouldve voted for mig and omega.

Totally agree with you. That level should definitely be in the final. Although it was too hard for me I could see it was an amazing level and miles better than that 'ineligible' entry.

KQuinn94Z
02-27-2010, 01:44 PM
My finalists:
Dead Space: New Arrivals
Wooden Perception
Bear Grylls: A very cold Place
Deep Under The snow
Tricky's temple Trials

Not trying to hate on any levels in the finals. Every entry was good. But I'm just showing how different my choices would have been.
BUT: I'm not the judges ans the judges have their own rights to decide what's a finalist and what's not. I'm thanking the judges for their good work.

mistervista
02-27-2010, 01:51 PM
We hope we have done everyone justice in our selections, and we doubly hope we haven't insulted those who did not make the top five.!

I'm sorry to say no you haven't and yes you have.

Not just speaking for myself by the way.

fijski8
02-27-2010, 02:12 PM
Congrats to all who got nominated! I know you all must be very happy!
I too feel these nominations are very baised. But o well. I saw it coming. My Jones and the Demon was picked by MediaMolecule but not spotlighted here. One of the entries was late, is slapped toghther and is full of bugs. Still though congrats! I am totaly upset but i will get over it.

bakscratch
02-27-2010, 02:35 PM
Im just so peed of that its always the NORMAL people who are in the final.XNX lvl was not even finnished and the story was just werid. Dead Space was a copy of the DNB one. But Howdy Partners! ,No Peg's Island, Wooden Perception was the only good ones picked as they are some amazing creators that realy put the hearts and souls in to this, Yes they mignt not been as good at the other two but at least they are people that the comunity (Not LBPC) do not know. Thats why i voted for them, even though how anoyed i am. Personly I that it should not have been the most known people on lbp central.

Ill just have to live with it, Would of like to seen killzonequinn07 lvls as finalist not because im in there but these lvl were new and fun not saying that the 5 went good.
Thats all for now..

KQuinn94Z
02-27-2010, 02:38 PM
Im just so peed of that its always the NORMAL people who are in the final.XNX lvl was not even finnished and the story was just werid. Dead Space was a copy of the DNB one. But Howdy Partners! ,No Peg's Island, Wooden Perception was the only good ones picked as they are some amazing creators that realy put the hearts and souls in to this, Yes they mignt not been as good at the other two but at least they are people that the comunity (Not LBPC) do not know. Thats why i voted for them, even though how anoyed i am. Personly I that it should not have been the most known people on lbp central.

Ill just have to live with it, Would of like to seen killzonequinn07 lvls as finalist not because im in there but these lvl were new and fun not saying that the 5 went good.
Thats all for now..

Wait, wut? My level is a finalist. And you couldn't have voted for three levels. Your thingy don't make too much sense.

bonner123
02-27-2010, 02:46 PM
I played all five and I voted for what I thought is best. I just hope it doesn't become a popularity contest. Good luck to all!

comphermc
02-27-2010, 02:47 PM
Just seen your last post comphermc as I posted mine and that's exactly what I'm talking about. You don't honestly think we believe that ******** do you ?

Believe what? That we played each of the levels, and gave them an independent personal ranking, and then compared those rankings at the end with each other to reduce the list down to 5. Yeah, I guess I would expect you to believe that then. I don't know why you think we are so biased. I don't have a "thing" for any of the creators on that list. Who, on there, do you think I would choose over you simply because of their name? The only person on that list that I'm even really friends with is Killzonequinn, and we chose his level because it was awesome (as with every other level on the list). I wasn't around when x-nobody-x was "big," so that argument is out (don't think I've even played one of his levels besides this). I don't really know the others besides Steve, and his level was absolutely gorgeous. Where, then, is the bias? What clique is there that encompasses all of these creators... or even half of them?


We all know you gave that 12 hours simply to accomodate XNX and Spawner. We knew it at the time and we know it now.

Do you really think that we would have not given you an extra 12 hours if it came down to it? That's not favoritism. At all. It's clear they spent weeks on it, so why should their level be ineligible for taking an extra few hours? It's not about adhering to some strict deadline - it's about displaying the usefulness of online create. I'm certain that it states in the Online Create Submission thread that CC stated were were pretty lax about the deadline with regard to editing and publishing. It was just recommended that you don't, in case we came across it in a broken state.

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And, this is not really the place for it, but since you've become so unjustly angry over the spotlight, what bias have they shown? Look at any spotlight. You will see known creators and some very unknown creators. They play all the levels, and even provide reasons for their picks. It's not our fault that "popular" creators continue to release good levels. That is why they are popular. What more do you want? A fresh perspective? Okay, then rejoice, for we are bringing on a new member to replace Zwollie. That's two new members in as many spotlights. Is it too much to ask to just appreciate what people do around here instead of complaining about how we do not cater to your specific desires?


Personly I that it should not have been the most known people on lbp central.

They are not. Plain and simple. Steve is mildly active, and quinn is highly active, but other than that, these are pretty unknown creators. Sure, they are known outside of LBPC (for being good creators), but they are not active members here.

And for the record: I voted for No Peg's Island. Does anyone have a problem with that selection? I hope it's clear that this selection was not based on favoritism.

Tawarf
02-27-2010, 02:53 PM
Favoritism rules this site... isn't that right? Why does the SAME person always get spotlighted? I bet you if say... someone like... cuzFeeshe (I dont hate him, Not saying hes the only one) would to release an empty level... with bubbles... it would get spotlighted. thats how much favoritism rules this site.

Jrange378
02-27-2010, 02:58 PM
To sum up the complainers- Were sore our level didnt make it and must blame it on something.

Good level picks, i havent played killzonequins level yet but after playing the "fantastical kingdom" one im sure its great. I do however think it could have been slimmed down to 10 or so instead of 5. Must have been hard cutting that many.

bakscratch
02-27-2010, 02:59 PM
I ment the people who picked the lvls

ConfusedCartman
02-27-2010, 03:02 PM
When does voting close?
Exactly a week from when it opened. Should provide enough time to accrue enough votes to make a fair decision.


My vote goes to
"IN PURSUE OF THE MEDDLING MAGPIE" by TheAdipose & Luos_Desruc.

At the staff:

You can't avoid to p!ss people off if you still make secret decision.
I already complained about the nonsense about some spotlight, and only Zwollie tried to give me the best answer he can.

As far as it concern the spotlight, you should make clear the guidelines that lead to judgement. (Avoiding even easy spotlights for famous creators)
I've seen stuff that didn't deserve to be spotlighted that was spotlighted (even levels that were BROKEN AFTER being spotlighted), and viceversa.
Lately a lot of levels have been spotlighted for just one aspect (visuals, gameplay, story) and not as an all-round experience.
When Cap'N Sackbeard wasn't praised by the community and MM, I just thought: "OK, except a few creators (Comphy, rtm, GrantosUK, CCubbage, mrssupercomputer, teebonesy, Miglioshin, gevurah22, mother-misty, NinjaMicWZ, you won't ever come back soon enough), this game is doomed, since there's no interest in pushing gameplay and ideas forward"

And the people of the community should pick their favourite for the contest.
As things are right now, I see a cooked meal, and someone already decided for a menu with dishes full of fishes and I have to pick one...but I'm intollerant to fish, so I'm not going to eat.

I think that something should change in this community, because it's getting broken due to some questionable decision.
When everything is clear, there's no place to argue about.
FFS! It's a f'n game, not CIA or FBI, there's no need to keep decisions secret, or have an echelon of 15-20 members deciding subjectively for 8800 users.
People like backscratch has not missed the fun point, but I think to share his thoughts saying that he's disappointed because someone (WHO??? HOW MANY??? and WHY??? and WITH WHICH KIND OF AUTHORITY???) decided that the sweat, the passion and whatever he concealed into the level was not on par with some other stuff, based on a minority and subjective decision.

I can assure that there's a lot of guys that feels like me (I don't know if they'll back me up, though)
I hope you can accept mine as a constructive speech.
Before you blame us as if we're the first people in the world to make these decisions, really think about what you just suggested. Even if we did tell you who made the choices, and we had each of those people explain why they made those choices, what problem would that solve? If you want that, then next time around we can try it, but I guarantee you that it will solve nothing. All it would do is give you someone to blame - someone to PM, to email, to reply to, to argue why your level was better than level X or Y. The real problem here is simple: we had to come up with a top 5 out of 22 entries. That means 17 entries did not make the top 5, and were probably disappointed when they discovered so. How do you suggest we avoid that? We explained from the start how these levels were going to be selected, and everyone knew that there was a chance that they wouldn't make it into the final 5. And yet here lots of entrants are, disappointed that they worked hard and were not picked. It was an unavoidable outcome, and there is literally nothing I can do except shift the blame from me to the judges or to the general LBPC community.

In any case, was winning the only thing you wanted out of this contest? I mean, that's not all we wanted out of it, so I'm wondering if it actually served any other purposes. Did it teach you to work with others? Did you learn anything new about Creation that you didn't know before? Do you think, after pouring all this work into your level, you came out of the other end a better Creator? If you can honestly answer "no" to all of those questions, then you missed the point of the contest entirely. However, if you can answer "yes" to even one of those questions, then this contest was a benefit to you regardless of if you "won" or not. That was the goal. That's why we held this contest. Not to put the best level on display, but to help as many creators as possible improve upon themselves through competition. Sadly, after seeing some of your reactions, I can safely say that, for some of you, that point seems to have been missed entirely.

TheAdipose
02-27-2010, 03:07 PM
Well I definitely back you up OmegaSlayer.

I agree completely about the Community Spotlight debacle aswell. For many months now it's been obvious that the clique on this forum who make the decisions have their favourites and those peoples levels are automatically spotlighted even before the level has been made ! regardless of the quality. I have complained about it many times already which is why I never get spotlighted.

I'm obviously on their blacklist and I apologise to bakscratch because without me on his team he would probably have stood a much better chance of being selected.
He has asked me to make another level with him but I think I will have to decline now as I don't want to scupper his chances of recognition again.



Hi. I don't know if you are aware, but I/we joined the spotlight team a few weeks ago and for the last few weeks I've played EVERY level in the level showcase, picking out levels that I feel deserved recognition. I'm not part of any clique, I'm not a beta tester and I don't know any of the mods or 'famous' crew well. I have never seen a blacklist, there are no posts in the spotlight forums discussing the likes and dislikes of certain creators, only assessments of levels. I realise I'm new and therefore your post may not be directed towards me, but I was a bit sad when I read your post. Knowing that I've taken the time to play so many levels, to have my efforts dismissed as pure politics I think is both unfair and inaccuate. If you wish to discuss the matter further, I am happy to do that but I feel we should do it in PM as this is not the right thread to do so.

That said, I don't agree with this selection of levels either - but my selection is completely different to killzonequinns. This to me shows that any competition like this is totally subjective. The 'best level' is not a measurable concept in the way that length or depth is. I truely believe that my level is better than at least one of the entrants in the final.... but I know that my tastes in levels aren't going to be the same as everyone elses and that includes the judges. Sometimes you just have to accept the judges decision. Perhaps in the interest of fairness to different types of level, it would be good if the next contest (and I truely hope there is one!) has a totally different set of judges so that hopefully different styles of level can shine forth.

My thanks to all the judges who did take the time to play the levels. I know it must be a difficult job.

Adi

KQuinn94Z
02-27-2010, 03:08 PM
Yes, Yes and Yes.

SLS10
02-27-2010, 03:10 PM
All of you shut up. This is just a contest. There are so many more pressing issues in the world and you choose to whine and complain about this. The levels displayed here were judged on a fair system by unbiased individuals, as Comph has attempted to establish over and over again; you however have failed to listen.

I'm upset that my entry didn't get nominated either, but I can see why, as every work that has EVER been published has its flaws to it. I can name flaws in all five of these levels, but I won't, as that would be beside the point. The flaws in our (me and Bonner's) level were more prominent than in the other levels featured here, and that's why we were not nominated. (Sorry, Bonner. :P)

Any way, I wish all of these entries best of luck - especially No Peg's Island, because that's what I voted for. :B

comphermc
02-27-2010, 03:10 PM
TheAdipose, I love you. If only Clarie weren't in the picture... :rolleyes:

RockSauron
02-27-2010, 03:11 PM
... I probably shouldn't get involved... but I hope you people do realize that only Steve and Killzonequinn are active at all here? And Steve being active is kind of a stretch, really?

Seriously, what do you people even view as favoritism? x-Nobody-x isn't even active here, he just signed up for this. He's known on LBP, not LBPC. How are they being biased towards him? How is there a "cliche" of people who aren't here? I don't see any big LBPC creator on there, and only three people who I've even seen post around here occasionally.

what more do you people want? What are these "cliches" you speak of? You keep on saying that we keep on spotlighting the same people over and over again, completely ignoring everyone new? I honestly just can not comprehend why you think there's a "cliche" when only one or two winners are even active here in any way.

... That being said, it might have been good for a poll of more levels (I was actually thinking there would be 10 finalists) would be good, but I'm not too sure if vbulletin even has a poll option for more then 10 choices. Still, I think 10 choices may be better, but then the people themselves may choice favorities then... Eh, I still think a poll of 10 levels may be better.

Still... yeah. What is this "cliche" you speak of? From my understanding, a "cliche" is a group of people together who don't let outsiders in... And then there aren't many "big creators", and over half are unknown? WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?!

... Sorry, I just had to say that. I'm getting tired of this cliche idea despite all evidence to the contrary <_<.

Anyway, I won't vote since I haven't played any level yet... I'll see what I can do later, I really should play more levels that aren't LBPC TG or comph's brain chain thing... I hate him for making that >_<

Oh yeah, one last thing: Who were the judges? All the mods or just some?

also, I think you should release the score each level got after this or soon.

TheAdipose
02-27-2010, 03:13 PM
TheAdipose, I love you. If only Clarie weren't in the picture... :rolleyes:


Oi. Hands off! ;)
Clarie

KQuinn94Z
02-27-2010, 03:16 PM
I don't care at all If I win. I thought the contest did a great job at improving me as a creator. I hope more people can say so.

jackofcourse
02-27-2010, 03:18 PM
Seeing as I have had no involvement in this I think I could possibly add a fresh perspective. Having the voting open to all of the entries would not have worked or have been fair in my opinion. You would have had so many people one play or two level, and then think 'Omg that was awesome, I'm voting for that'. Or similarly you would just have loads of people voting for their friends. This way the site team have played EACH level and rated them independently and worked from there. Look, this is a subjective matter, if you thought that everyone was going to agree on this decision then you have been living with Alice!

You knew this was how the voting was going to take place before short list was announced so speaking up now after you've seen their decision is only ever going to look bitter, I'm not saying it is, but when you had the opportunity to speak up beforehand and didn't, what other assumption is going to be made?

To help clarify that this was indeed kept as unbias as possible , when CC announced the judging was to start, I messaged him offering my help if he needed it. His reply contained the words ''I've got a specific set of judges, all site staff, to avoid any accusations of bias''. Surely this shows that CC was/is aware of such accusations and does everything he can to prevent them. The fact of the matter is, as I said, it's subjective. The fact that they have opened the judging up at all shows that they recognise that there is going to be people that disagree and they want to make it as fair as they can.

Something else that Comph touched upon is that not many in the short list are that active here. If this site is as cliquey and biased as some of you are suggesting, surely the short list would have been made up of LBPC regulars, not just great creators. Honestly thinking that this decision is biased because it has a lot of well known creators in it is quite ridiculous, the reason they are well known is because they are good at what they do!

Just so I don't look like I am just attacking one side here, I do agree that there have been some questionable spotlights. But I really don't see that relevant here, or to be that important anyway. The spotlight is a LBCP only thing, by having a level that may not be as great as some of the others, it isn't hurting anyone. It isn't like they only have 8 spaces to fill so it means someone else misses out, they just put in as many levels as they see fit.

The fact is, this has been done far more strict and professionally than the spotlight (and by that I mean no offence to the spotlight crew, the spotlight is a bit of fun and they do an amazing job). The site staff realise what is at stake with this contest and how much energy and time people have put in to it. If you honestly believe they would be biased towards a certain few, then you are questioning them as people, and as these are people who most of us have got to know a fair bit, I find that disappointing.

TehUberZac
02-27-2010, 03:23 PM
wow, I was expecting Luos and Adi's level to make it. Shows how much I know! lol

Incinerator22
02-27-2010, 03:23 PM
It should've been a top 10.

Now what's the big old argument to that? -.-

Dead Space: New arrivals was nothing but eye candy too.

Chump
02-27-2010, 03:25 PM
However, if you can answer "yes" to even one of those questions, then this contest was a benefit to you regardless of if you "won" or not. That was the goal. That's why we held this contest. Not to put the best level on display, but to help as many creators as possible improve upon themselves through competition. Sadly, after seeing some of your reactions, I can safely say that, for some of you, that point seems to have been missed entirely.

Yes! Joey and me learned a lot from each other, we had a blast playing-creating together, we are still best friends thanks to the contest...

For sure I'm sad that our level didn't make it to the top 5 but who cares, it's my best level so far, it has more hearts/plays than I ever had on a single level and it was my best LBP experience yet. I don't need to win, I entered this contest with the fate to win but I'll leave this contest with a smile on my face and a friend in my heart.
I'm glad for the creators that made it to the top 5 and I'm sad 17 of the 22 didn't make it, but you know, life is life and it goes on. I hope there will be more opportunities to win a contest, maybe not as big as this one because it causes a lot of confusion and anger.

-- Fellow Creators, Yea you! Stop being rude to people with such good intentions because they didn't put the spotlight on your own navel... CC and the other organizers put a lot of heart and effort into this contest. And all you find to do is ruining their efforts and ruining the moment of glory of some innocent creators who are more than happy to be apart of the top 5. I'm scared ConfusedCartman will not be tempted to redo another contest here, with all this anger around sore losing...

I hope you learned from this unique experience that is the Online Create Contest like I did. And never forget that we are lucky to be members of this amazing forum that is LBPCentral.

Incinerator22
02-27-2010, 03:37 PM
Strange that Bear Grylls: Born Survivor was spotlighted and No Peg's Island wasn't? And why did the mods judge this? (No offence, but) The spotlight team has way more experience in judging levels.

KQuinn94Z
02-27-2010, 03:39 PM
Strange that Bear Grylls: Born Survivor was spotlighted and No Peg's Island wasn't? And why did the mods judge this? (No offence, but) The spotlight team has way more experience in judging levels.

It was spotlighted:
http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?21761-Community-Spotlight-Episode-31
Right above mine.

jackofcourse
02-27-2010, 03:43 PM
It was spotlighted:
http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?21761-Community-Spotlight-Episode-31
Right above mine.

Experience doesn't necessarily mean better either ;)

Jrange378
02-27-2010, 03:44 PM
It was spotlighted:
http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?21761-Community-Spotlight-Episode-31
Right above mine.

:p Lets all stop argueing about this and go play the levels and have some fun eh? Weve been waiting anxiously for the winners to be announced, and the LAST thing i expected from lpbc is a bunch of people complaining about people putting a great contest up for them.

Incinerator22
02-27-2010, 03:44 PM
Not necessarily, but usually. (Oh, and sorry, my bad.)

bakscratch
02-27-2010, 03:46 PM
Sould of done more finalists 5 is not realy choise for the amout of people on this forums.
Most compertions (not lbp) Say it starts wih 50 entrys they would find the best 25 and vote. then the top 12 will be voted again till the fianl 6 see how there would be much more to pick from not just a solid 5 fianlist, I would get people to decide or change their mined about something. Like oh that lvl was not good but comparing it to these other lvl it seem to be better in so and so ways.

Next time think of a better way to find the finalist not jsut a soild 5 places..

mrsupercomputer
02-27-2010, 04:00 PM
Next time think of a better way to find the finalist not jsut a soild 5 places..

I'm the one that recommended the selection of 5 finalist and I had a specific reason for doing so. Imagine if we selected ten levels and yours didn't even make the top 10? How would that make you feel? Not good I bet. So, I explained that to CC and he agreed.

bakscratch
02-27-2010, 04:03 PM
No i would not be as anoyed as there would of been a better selection to pick from.

Jrange378
02-27-2010, 04:03 PM
I'm the one that recommended the selection of 5 finalist and I had a specific reason for doing so. Imagine if we selected ten levels and yours didn't even make the top 10? How would that make you feel? Not good I bet. So, I explained that to CC and he agreed.

It would make 5 extra people happy :p But it would make 12 more a little more unhappy. Good point, that makes sense.

rtm223
02-27-2010, 04:05 PM
So what if they extended the deadline by 12 hours? So what if mistervista and bakscratch's level was largely made outside of online create, so what about minor technicalities? Do we really want these contests to be run with the iron fist of anal-retentiveness that would keep all the inconsiderate, whingey, whiney, constantly discontented minority of our community? I say no. mostly because those people will find something to whine about regardless of how things are run and that's the problem. You're like the boy who cried wolf mistervista. You moan about everything, your negativity pervades just about every post you write, whether it's snide remarks to try and get fellow creators disqualified from contests, or at least cajole other voters into voting against them, for petty reasons, or spamming someone else's level showcase thread, just to do a little self promotion. And you know what? Sometimes you might even have a valid point, but I for one will never hear it because my instant response is "oh, mistervista is moaning again, whoop-de-****ing-do".

Sorry if that seems a little personal, you aren't the only one, but you have been pretty bad over the last couple of weeks and you're the most vocal on here, so you should probably expect people to pick up on things you've said. Especially when you clearly are completely biased:


Oh dear I'm disappointed that bakscratch and my level didn't make the cut

Yeah, I'm sure you're being 100% objective about this whole thing, aren't you. No personal investment here clouding your judgement :rolleyes:



I agree completely about the Community Spotlight debacle aswell. For many months now it's been obvious that the clique on this forum who make the decisions have their favourites and those peoples levels are automatically spotlighted even before the level has been made ! regardless of the quality.


As far as it concern the spotlight, you should make clear the guidelines that lead to judgement. (Avoiding even easy spotlights for famous creators).

Surely the guidelines are as simple as possible:
Level must be in the showcase.
Level must be very good, as determined as objectively as possible.


I, for one, can't see any lack of objectivity in the spotlight, they crank out great level selections every fortnight. And this myth about easy spotlights for famous creators, show me some evidence for it. Show me the levels by famous creators that have been sub-par and spotlighted recently. Yes it's predictable that certain people's levels are liable to get spotlighted. Next spotlight we will see a julesyjules level and a jackofcourse level in the spotlight. And rightly so, both levels are astoundingly good. Jack's outdone himself on the gameplay front and jules... just look at that level. That's not an "easy spotlight", that's simply the fact that some people crank out top-notch stuff every single time they publish a level. What's the problem there. Should we now be disqualifying creators for being too good? Do we want the spotlight to be "the best levels from the community, except not the absolute best, because they were too 'obvious' and we wanted it to be a surprise". So please, show me the levels from the creators that are spotlighted "by default", that weren't any good.

The closest thing I can see to an unfair spotlight because of who the creator was, is kiminski's latest (Lara Cloth: Tomb Raider - Helgardh (http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?21790-Lara-Cloth-Tomb-Raider-Helgardh)), which as some of you may recall began as a recommendations thread and was moved into the showcase forum "for spotlight eligibility". But this one example isn't exaclt indicative of a systemic corruption in the system. Plus I thought this was just quite a nice thing to do, seeing as kiminski has never had a spotlight, despite being a very skilled creator and a really nice person.



Favoritism rules this site... isn't that right? Why does the SAME person always get spotlighted? I bet you if say... someone like... cuzFeeshe (I dont hate him, Not saying hes the only one) would to release an empty level... with bubbles... it would get spotlighted. thats how much favoritism rules this site.

Tawarf, you're another one it's hard to take seriously with the crap you spew, but still I'll try this time around. If cuzfeeshe were to publish a level with just a few bubbles in, it would not be spotlighted. The reason he does get spotlighted everytime is because he produces fantastic work. It's original, unique, well crafted gameplay, with good visuals and fun. That's why he gets the spotlights. It's like saying "oh look, the fastest runner on the track won again, how unfair. I bet if he just walked it and came last they'd still give him the gold". It's moronic and laughable.


I have complained about it many times already which is why I never get spotlighted. I'm obviously on their blacklist and I apologise to bakscratch because without me on his team he would probably have stood a much better chance of being selected.

Has it occured to you, that maybe you don't get the spotlights because you're levels aren't actually that good? Remind me again what it is that makes you stand out as a creator? You had a couple of spotlights (deserved ones as well) a while back as I remember and since then the quality of your creations has pretty much plateaued. At the same time, the overall quality of the levels being submitted to the showcase, especially the ones at the top of the spectrum, has come along in leaps and bounds. The top-end of the quality spectrum has been pushing back the boundaries of what can be produced in this game and is now light years beyond what it was several months ago. I'm afraid to say that you have simply not kept up.

Again, more baseless accusations about corruption and favouritism, fromt he people who feel they've been victimised. You haven't, you're not on some imaginary blacklist, you're not being picked on. Get over yourself, not everything revolves around you.



I've seen stuff that didn't deserve to be spotlighted that was spotlighted (even levels that were BROKEN AFTER being spotlighted), and viceversa.

My level was broken in several places after being spotlighted, and for a few months after, yet largely lauded as a triumph. And as for levels that didn't deserve it or did deserve it, pft. I'm sure there are plenty of levels around the borderline that everyone will have different opinions on. That's just human nature and to be honest, we're all subjective, even when we are trying not to be, so everyone's viewpoint is going to differ. The spotlight team is made up of a range of individuals with a range of tastes, and they pool opinions to decide. So what makes you believe that your individual opinion is so much more important, so much more justified, so much more accurate, than the combined opinions of multiple people? How arrogant do you have to be to assume that you know better than everyone else, that you are so much more objective and have the right to accuse others of corruption simply for not agreeing with you?



Lately a lot of levels have been spotlighted for just one aspect (visuals, gameplay, story) and not as an all-round experience.

This has always been the case. And it's a good thing. The frog chorus is a fantastic example of this. Levels should be judged upon what they are, and not what they aren't. I don't really care for music levels, and I don't really care for levels which are just visual treats, but the frog chorus deserved it's spotlight. It's a masterpiece of visual and audio creation. Do we simply write it off because there is no gameplay? Honestly? I say **** that! Yes, I'd rather see a level with nice scenery and nice gamplay in the spotlight than a level with just nice scenery. But if a level has mindblowing scenery and zero gamplay, I say it deserves it's place.




When everything is clear, there's no place to argue about.

Well nothing is clear, all I see is half-baked allegations, with no real evidence to back them up; wide, sweeping statements of opinion without any particular examples to back them up. I don't call that clear cut and I tihnk there is plenty of room for discussion here. Probably not on this thread, but don't you tell me there is no room for my opinion because it doesn't match yours!


FFS! It's a f'n game

Indeed it is. I think maybe the people here making such a fuss about trivial matters need to take a step back and realise this for themselves. This is a fun community competition, nothing more, nothing less. People are investing time and effort, far more time and effort than you know, to run it, for you and you throw it back in their faces and throw all of your toys out of the pram simply because you didn't get picked.


No i would not be as anoyed as there would of been a better selection to pick from.
Judging by the way you normally act, I doubt that. You'd get all upset if you didn't get picked, however many finalist there were. see, I can make a conjecture about how someone I barely know would act in a hypothetical situation too, we can all do it, doesn't prove anything or demonstrate any kind of truth now does it? ;)


To answer comphermc yes maybe you shouldn't have any more contests because your bias towards certain creators definitely "clouds your judgement" ( that's the nice way of putting it ). Anyone who breaks the rules just to let 1 late entry get in and then has the gall to select that for the final 5 should not be in charge of running contests like this at all. It's out and out fraud and if you allow that level to win then you should be extremely ashamed of yourself and will lose any shred of respect that I may have left for you. I'm talking to all the judges involved in this, not just you comphermc.

You know what, I don't think we need to stop running competitions, I tihnk we need to stop poor losers from entering them. We need to stop the grown adults who act like 12 year old, paranoid, delusional, self-obsessed brats from getting involved. I think that would probably solve all of the issues here, tbh. Maybe just have a waiver on all entries:


I , do hereby declare that I submit to the decision of the judges and will not act like a big baby if I don't get picked.



This site is run by volunteers. CC pours so much effort into this website and I assure you it has been a labour of love for him. He's a teenager with more intellect and maturity than most of the adults on this site, including myself - indeed I could throw into that list most of the adults I've ever met. I don't think any of you dissenters appreciate how much of his time and himself that he puts in, simply to give you this community. He doesn't have to and considering the lack of respect and appreciation some people show him I'm amazed that he continues. Him and the rest of the staff. And I'm amazed that you people sit here whining about the site and how irreversably broken it is. If it's that bad then **** off. There's the door, there's no one making you stay, except for yourself. Go and start up your own fansite if you know so **** well how to run it. Go on, you put the effort, the sweat and blood and tears in. Do something proactive, rather than reactive for a change. Let's see how good a job you make of it. I'll be sure to sign up and point out every little mistake you make, if you want, just so it feels like home ;) I can only assume you don't actually believe its that bad and you are just complaining for the sake of complaining, just because it's somat to do.


Everyone has a right to their opinion, but when your method of expressing your opinion is to to make rude, personal and unjustified accusations against people who sacrifice their time for you, then I'm pretty sure you've lost the plot and you are asking to get a grilling. And you may think I'm being a hypocrite, saying you shouldn't be making personal jabs at people and then doing the same back. Well you're right, I am, but at least I know it and TBH I don't care: y'all deserve it. And this isn't directed at just the people I've quoted, it goes out to all the unappreciative members of our community. The ones who constantly take and sponge and never give anything back, yet moan and criticise constantly that things aren't done the way they want them done. Take a step back and look at yourself.


Oh yeah, One last thing: Grow the **** up people.


*steps down from soap box, equips flameshield and walks away*

CaskStrength
02-27-2010, 04:12 PM
@ comperhmc: In post 28 you say "I don't know why you think we are so biased. I don't have a "thing" for any of the creators on that list. Who, on there, do you think I would choose over you simply because of their name? The only person on that list that I'm even really friends with is Killzonequinn"

You say you're friends with killzonequinn so stating that you don't have a "thing" for any of the creaters is a lie.

Another reason for which I know you're biased is how you "solved" the discussion between me and msspookybuzz. You said there (in the original co-creat contest thread) that you were not pointing anyone out to blame because you frankly thought you didnt need to.
You are so full of it. Because you clearly pointed me out and blamed me there.
You placed thank you's under spookybuzz's message, she did thesame with yours, the threats you made could only be meant for me, you edited my post, you sent me an infriction notice (which I'll place below this message) making sure I couldn't respond for 2 weeks. So when you say that you're not biased you're shamelessly lying.
I knew there was allways next to zero chance that my level would win. Not because it's no good, it's obvious the transforming truck is the coolest thing in any of the levels.
I knew it would never win because, like stated 3 million times allready, it's a matter of sucking yourself upwards here and fyi, I dont considder it a privelage to be here. I consider it a necessary evil to get the highest reward in the game lbp.
As you can read in the message below, I told before the winners here were selected about how unfair contests like this cause hate within lbp. That obviously wouldn't do chances for the transformer level any good which makes clearer that I allready didn't count on being selected from the beginning. I allready was well aware that if it got selected for the top 5 it would never win the community vote because I'm no 5 million hearted republisher like steve littleguns. I just make levels not ram them down peoples throats.
The other day I met killzonequinn07 in lbp and he was playing with someone who got a crown because of his community work for this site. I couldn't stop laughing especially when he said he didn't really made a level in lbp yet. I said confused cartman is probably handing them out to anyone who sucks his... Killzone immediately was mad that I made such accusitions to anyone I didn't know. I thought wow, someone is overreacting( taking things personal here). Now you tell me killzone is in your friendlist everything is a lot clearer now. And having learned about how some people get there crown here ( the morgana way) made the crown a lot less honouring.

Well, I was here for 2 months to join the contest and I allready knew there was no chance I would fit in this club. I posted like 7 messages and nobody, exept for mistervista (in the levels commentbox in the game) said anything progressive about the submission. So I think comphermc is allready yearning to delete this post and ban me.

So read the post below as long as you have the chance, it nearly got me banned but it has proven itself to be so true that I'll just quote it again.

I'm not a republisher


You have received an infraction at LittleBigPlanet Central Forums
Dear CaskStrength,

You have received an infraction at LittleBigPlanet Central Forums.

Reason: Unprovoked Aggression
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I have read your response to MrsSpookyBuz's rallying of everyone in the OC Competition thread, and I'm truly confused by your motivations for that response. Reading back a few pages, many people went off topic and bashed a variety of creators. Whether or not you partook is of no consequence. What is of importance, however, is how you baselessly attacked one of our most prominent members. I have no doubts in saying that she acted in the appropriate manner. Your response, then, was highly inappropriate. You attacked her for no reason, and thusly are damaging the kind and carefree community that we have worked hard to foster here at LBPC. I don't know what your gripe with the site is, but if you have a problem with how things are run, we can kindly show you the door.

Your right to post here is a privilege, and we reserve the right to provoke that privilege if we deem it necessary.

Your infraction will expire in 2 weeks.

Thanks,
LBPC Staff
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This infraction is worth 2 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

Original Post:
http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=377616

Originally Posted by MrsSpookyBuz
Are we online creating here, or simply online hating?

It's a fantastic opportunity to get together with people you may or may not know, and to create something together with a very decent prize. LBPC has been kind enough to lay on this contest, so please do me and other members the courtesy of discussing your levels here. Let's not degenerate it into another creator-bashing session.

It would be a great shame if this thread was locked, and the competition cancelled.

Originally Posted by CaskStrength

I sincerely tried to do a decent thing and to handle the matter politely. I don't believe I have to keep my mouth shut when someone gets publicly chewed out here when I have strong reasons indicating that to be incorrect. Maybe for your peace of mind it's best when things stayed as they were but try to place yourself in hydroulics' shoes. I'm probably not making myself popular here by going into your believes but I just don't like being dictated what to say and to look the other way when someone insults me by describing my effort as spreading hate and degredation. Besides that, I've commented 4 or 5 times in this thread and 2 of wich were direct questions about the contest (Can you edit after publishing? and can you submit more then 1 level to the contest. Perfect comments for if one wants to discuss the contest but both questions got ignored making me feel like newcomers arent welcome here. Your messeage to shut up is pointing in thesame direction and if u want some extra gravy with that: Tawarf summed it up pretty well by saying it seems as if it has allready been decided who won. How is it fair that one level was selected for the community spotlight and you probably don't want to be reminded about how ugly the level of the year competition blew up in lbpcentrals face. To wrap this up: 1 piece of advice: focus your anger towards what's really causing the hate within the lbp community: Republishing and unfair contests like this one where 1 person has gotten the infallible authorety to decide who are his best followers . Why am I in it you may ask? Because I bought a game that I like where in a democratic fashion, the peoples opinions were what mattered but that changed and if you can't beat them,..
All the best,
LittleBigPlanet Central Forums

thekevinexpress
02-27-2010, 04:15 PM
stuff and things.

Oh you can write this novel, but you can't come out with a blog post every two weeks? :p

Seriously though, everyone needs to stop complaining. No, I don't totally agree with the selections made, but I do know that the people who made the decision did it without bias in the best way they could.

OmegaSlayer
02-27-2010, 04:15 PM
First of all, and that's really important.
I don't think there's any kind of bias from the side of the judges.
I respect all the work the staff does in the forum.
And I don't care for the level that was accepted late, 24 hours doesn't matter.

And second, most important, like I said, I wanted to be constructive.
Every judged contest has its risks.
I only say that the more things are clear, the better it is for the sake of the community. For the easy living.
I don't think that there are black listed people, you're absolutely wrong about that MrV, but I also think that what you think is a by product of this lack of clarity.

We got 5 levels on finals, but why pick those 5?
What's the criterion to pick those 5, because I'm sure there is one!
Do you make an average from scores about visual, originality, puzzles, platorming, accessibility, whatever?
If so, why is it top secret? I'm not thinking that you guys tricked the vote, but I would like to know where I can get better in my level, and I want to know if the level is judged on only one parameter, because if people reject a level or not being visual appealing, it's better if I finish to think about gameplay, new ideas and give players a challenge.

I want to get better, since I'm not a good creator, and I want to have fun, and I would also like that a valid community appreciate my work when it's good.
And I think everyone here cares about this more than hearts and ratings.

So, what I suggest is to make things clear, under everyone's eyes.
NOthing more, nothing less.
It does not avoid disappointment, but it can help people in reflecting on the reasons why their level wasn't picked up and realize where they can get better.

I'm sorry to have unleashed this storm, but being hypocrite it's not being myself, and I can't deny myself.

On a side personal note, I'm sorry for having made Comphy a little bitter, since he's a wonderul, passionate, kind guy, and I'm sure he had some hard time in having to choose levels, so I want to apologize with him, and with the others, that I know less.

So I really hope that the tones of the discussion get toned down, and we open another discussion elsewhere, in a more appropriate space, about how we AlL can contribute together to avoid useless disappointment.
But everyone, just ease your mind and reflect on what I ask, let's try to find a solution to make things clearer, and don't let this thoughts down as it never happens and will never happen again.
Let's not hide our heads in the sand.

PEACE, PLEASE.

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@rtm
I'm not better than a group of other people, and I don't whine about not being in the top 5, since I wasn't even in a spotlight, because I know that I'm NOT a good creator, but at least, as I said, I would like to know where I fail, since I HAVE the NEED to get better, and you know for yourself, since you tried my earliest version of RFYF and you know how much it sucked and you gave me ideas, suggested using logics, and really helped me to get a little better.
As it's stated in the level showcase, people does F4F to help each other in getting better, but this point is going lost, since now most people only F4F just to gather some more plays, and the talented creators helping the slower and crappier creators like me are getting less ever and ever.
It would be cool, but also life draining for them,so it's nothing that we should expect, if the spotlighters would have the time to write two lines to say where things suck.
Maybe it's me, but I started to be in this forum because there was people like you that was always kind to help you and I felt very good and warm inside, but there's a great number of skilled guys that has even forgot where they come from.
I breathe very few humbleness lately...
Now the forum is always a competition and the distance between good and bad creators is increasing toooo much.

Tawarf
02-27-2010, 04:27 PM
My post was pointless... lol i feel stupid now

comphermc
02-27-2010, 04:38 PM
Hey CaskStrength. I respect your opinion, but just want to clear up one thing: I didn't realize that you were the same person. I just played the levels blindly. Sorry you had the impression that I was judging you for your previous actions...

That said, if you want to bash me anymore, please take it to PMs. It's easier to defend myself while not derailing this thread any further.

:)

bakscratch
02-27-2010, 04:40 PM
this contest is tearing this forum apart. Just F evething everyone said about everything. Just continue with the god darn voting to late to make the finalist list longer or better levels. They wont do a fing thing, they wont listen and they wont care.

Thats why this forum ****** me of, The spotlight are pointless realy funny how my MRv lvl not get spotlighted funny that isnt it, People should be grateful i showed the glitch as there have been some good levels using it. That takes me to another point no one give me credit for the glitch.

And plus after the dead line you gave another 12 hours why not give another week then, or if people arnt ready to post they should not be in the contest.

jackofcourse
02-27-2010, 04:52 PM
lots of good stuff said in the to the point Rtm way...

Boom! ........

KQuinn94Z
02-27-2010, 04:54 PM
:p Lets all stop argueing about this and go play the levels and have some fun eh? Weve been waiting anxiously for the winners to be announced, and the LAST thing i expected from lpbc is a bunch of people complaining about people putting a great contest up for them.
Why quote me not even arguing?

CaskStrength
02-27-2010, 04:56 PM
Hey CaskStrength. I respect your opinion, :)

Lol you're so full of it

jackofcourse
02-27-2010, 04:56 PM
this contest is tearing this forum apart. Just F evething everyone said about everything. Just continue with the god darn voting to late to make the finalist list longer or better levels. They wont do a fing thing, they wont listen and they wont care.

Thats why this forum ****** me of, The spotlight are pointless realy funny how my MRv lvl not get spotlighted funny that isnt it, People should be grateful i showed the glitch as there have been some good levels using it. That takes me to another point no one give me credit for the glitch.

And plus after the dead line you gave another 12 hours why not give another week then, or if people arnt ready to post they should not be in the contest.

People are grateful for the glitch, but that doesn't mean they owe you anything. Seriously, what do you expect, for everyone who ever uses it to put your name in the title? Everyone knows it was you who discovered it, what more do you want?

And it certainly doesn't mean you should automatically get picked for stuff like this. People's points are getting more and more moronic. If you all want to look like you have any reason or rationale to your argument, it's probably best to not say anything else.

rtm223
02-27-2010, 04:58 PM
People should be grateful i showed the glitch as there have been some good levels using it. That takes me to another point no one give me credit for the glitch.

*quickly searches bakscratch*



Bakscratch introduces everyone to the "50 layer glitch" which brings us to:


My friend Bakscratch has just shown me another of those layer glitches he's found.


Credit to...
BakScratch,


I've got the layer blockd from backscratch levels,


the bakscratch glitch


I've worked up to using the 3d/bakscratch glitch in my levels now.


Maybe "Best glitch discovery"? That would have to be bakscratch. :p


I think backscratch deserves a spotlight for the layer glitch


the 3d/bakscratch material.




Not to mention the fact that you yourself have made around 5 different threads here, just to remind everyone hat you made the glitch, I'm pretty sure everyone is well aware of what you have given to the community. Regardless, when you do get attention for it, you still complain:


I just came back from holiday and there was the PSN update thing.
I was waiting around till it was back on, and i had over 50 messages. (AGAIN)
Asking how i did the "3D Glitch"

Seriously, what exactly do you want? Or are you just looking for reasons to complain. Again. There are countless levels out there with my tech, or derivitives of it out there and no mention of my name. I'm just glad people are using my stuff, and the community grows as a result. Be glad you've brought something wonderful to this game, and everyone knows it was you that did it.

BlahYourHamster
02-27-2010, 05:02 PM
Sour Grapes are almost unavoidable in competitions...

Gilgamesh
02-27-2010, 05:03 PM
This reminds me of a certain VMA incident which has mysteriously been banned on youtube...

Now if you'll let me finish, I just wanted to say that it was really hard choosing just one of the five levels up there for a vote. I managed to narrow it down to two, but simply had to go with my gut for the tie-breaker. The choice would probably have been even more difficult with more choices to pick. I think keeping it to a handful was good (although my top 5 would have differed from the one offered, just like anyone else's top 5 would differ from mine). This kind of contest can't help but feel subjective (not to be confused with biased) because everyone has their own tastes and preferences.

While I'm personally disappointed that Strikewing didn't make the cut (like any creator who takes pride in their creations would), I'm also thankful because now I don't have to deal with the moral dilemma of whether I vote for my own level or somebody else's. :p

But seriously folks. We're not electing a president here. We're not deciding some key legislation that might put hundreds of people out of business. We're just a group of LBP fans who decided to have a random contest, to have some fun and challenge creating for a game we all enjoy, and give someone a couple of trinkets as a bonus. There's no need for all the drama, let's keep it real.

A big thanks to the organizers for doing the work for this contest, and an even bigger thanks to the creators for spending the time to make 22 great levels for the players to enjoy. Even though some levels weren't to my tastes, I think we can at least all agree that it's better than getting 22 new shark survivals, right?

And remember...

Strikewing is one of the greatest levels of all time! OF ALL TIME!
(just kidding) :p

Good luck to all the finalists!

RockSauron
02-27-2010, 05:06 PM
I unno if anyone noticed... but there seems to be a poll attached to this thread...?

Hm, seems like Steve and quinn's teams are right against each other... I better go actually play something and vote soon <_<. Maybe we can move this argument of favoritism or whatever you guys are arguing about somewhere else. Yeah, methinks you should.

Oh, one last thing: CC, and all other judges- probably wouldn't quell everyone, but you really should just give the scores you gave each level and the reason methinks.

KQuinn94Z
02-27-2010, 05:07 PM
Lol you're so full of it
Prove it Batman....

Incinerator22
02-27-2010, 05:08 PM
Nevermind :grr:

jackofcourse
02-27-2010, 05:08 PM
This reminds me of a certain VMA incident which has mysteriously been banned on youtube...

Now if you'll let me finish, I just wanted to say that it was really hard choosing just one of the five levels up there for a vote. I managed to narrow it down to two, but simply had to go with my gut for the tie-breaker. The choice would probably have been even more difficult with more choices to pick. I think keeping it to a handful was good (although my top 5 would have differed from the one offered, just like anyone else's top 5 would differ from mine). This kind of contest can't help but feel subjective (not to be confused with biased) because everyone has their own tastes and preferences.

While I'm personally disappointed that Strikewing didn't make the cut (like any creator who takes pride in their creations would), I'm also thankful because now I don't have to deal with the moral dilemma of whether I vote for my own level or somebody else's. :p

But seriously folks. We're not electing a president here. We're not deciding some key legislation that might put hundreds of people out of business. We're just a group of LBP fans who decided to have a random contest, to have some fun and challenge creating for a game we all enjoy, and give someone a couple of trinkets as a bonus. There's no need for all the drama, let's keep it real.

A big thanks to the organizers for doing the work for this contest, and an even bigger thanks to the creators for spending the time to make 22 great levels for the players to enjoy. Even though some levels weren't to my tastes, I think we can at least all agree that it's better than getting 22 new shark survivals, right?

And remember...

(just kidding) :p

Good luck to all the finalists!

Double Boom!

I think it's fair to say everyone should read this and move on otherwise we'll just be going around in circles. What's happened has happened. People who don't like it, deal with it, and people who are defending it, let it be! :)

Solved, yes?

ConfusedCartman
02-27-2010, 05:12 PM
This thread has been derailed enough. Everyone involved has already had their say, and no more is necessary. Any more responses not directly related to the selection of the winner will be deleted, and infractions will be handed out.

To those of you that have problems with this contest (selection methods, voting process, etc) or this site (the way it's run, the staff I select, etc): I consider all criticisms. Everything negative I read about this site is considered in one way or another, and it's part of the reason why this site continues to evolve and grow. However, I need you guys to understand: I have nothing but good intentions for this entire community. The fact that anyone would think - even for a second - that I or the people I select for my staff are somehow participants in a Creative "clique" makes me feel like I've failed you guys somehow. This is not the only site I run, and this is not the only focus of my life, so I don't see how you could believe that I am somehow so absorbed in myself that I would use this site in that fashion. The goal of LBPC has always been to accommodate any and all Creators passionate about what they do, and if it seems that we exist for any other purpose, then I don't really know what to say. I've spent too many sleepless nights working on this site to even know how to respond to such accusations.

To everyone else: I apologize for the mess. Please vote for the level you prefer, and we'll have a winner announced next week. Thanks for being part of this community.

jackofcourse
02-27-2010, 05:16 PM
*Waits for the hundreds of thanks to be handed to CC* :)

Very well said.

As for the contest. I'm going to have to play them again before I can decide! Just be glad the level CaptainCowboyHat and myself started working on didn't materialise...CC would have just ended the competition as soon as it was published. Actually, LBP would have ended to be honest. It was that good.

BlahYourHamster
02-27-2010, 05:18 PM
Just Sour Grapes Cartman :)

I'm not too fussed really, the better levels were chosen for the finalists, simple as that.

There's plenty more competitions to enter, consider it an experience which will essentially add to your creative talents. The more levels you create, the more experienced you become. (Although that doesn't apply to Ranelann)

shawneboi
02-27-2010, 06:23 PM
...can I just say that each of these levels were great for their own reasons...and choosing was very hard...

please don't throw rocks at me...

comishguy67
02-27-2010, 07:17 PM
Well regardless of all the bias and everything I voted for monkeyboys and steve's level.

This is why I generally don't like competitions. You can say it's all fun and games but in the end, someone has to lose and someone has to win. Someone's gonna be disappointed and the other happy, that's competition. I'm not trying to get the banhammer so all I have to say is good luck to everyone who entered in and if you lose, who cares. Just smile andlaugh about it and continue to be the brilliant creators that you are!

Voodeedoo
02-27-2010, 07:59 PM
i hope steve wins; hes tried so hard to win a contest for the longest time, but they seem to not choose him over the fact that he's an accomplished dude with loads of hearts and that [not attacking lbpc]. he got my vote.

me and ricky started on our entry a few months back but then we took a crap on it, and now it's rotting on my moon. i should save it some day.

ghik16
02-27-2010, 08:12 PM
I voted on Gone Missing, because it had a very good story and the gameplay was ace. I did also like Wooden Perception, because of its great platforming, but my vote goes for Gone Missing.

Morgana25
02-27-2010, 08:32 PM
Well that was unpleasant to wake up and read.......

Just want to say one thing - I play as many levels as I can from every creator that makes a level thread - I have no hidden agenda - I have no clique to which I belong - I have no issues with MrV, OmegaSlayer or Incinerator or any number of frustrated creators who've posted in this thread about the "objectivity" of Spotlight. I've been doing this for a year and would like to think I've been more than fair in my choices for levels. We all have different ideas of what makes a level quality as I've said on numerous occasions and I'm fortunate enough to be able to share what I think is quality every two weeks around here. I'm sorry you guys don't seem to feel the same.


/OT

I've played all five of the short listed levels and they all have great stuff going for them - it will be a difficult decision to make for sure.


Now if you'll excuse me I have some more volunteer time to put in playing levels for spotlight consideration.

X-FROGBOY-X
02-27-2010, 09:00 PM
Well Ive played all five, and i must say this is a tough decision, but I think Im gonna vote for either Dead Space New Arrivals, Wooden Perception, or Gone Misssing. By the way, good luck to the finalists. :cool:

bakscratch
02-27-2010, 09:00 PM
Wheres the comment above from JackOfCourse gone how funny its gone.

jackofcourse
02-27-2010, 09:03 PM
Wheres the comment above from JackOfCourse gone how funny its gone.

It got deleted because it was off topic. I was in the middle of adding to it as it got deleted :)

Anyway, what I added was that I had just played the Wooden Perception and it is absolutely outstanding. The layer usage is probably the best I've seen in a level. Very very clever!

bakscratch
02-27-2010, 09:16 PM
You deleted it because it was a fair point.

ConfusedCartman
02-27-2010, 09:22 PM
You deleted it because it was a fair point.
Actually, I deleted it. It was quoting another post which was deleted due to the fact that it went against my request to keep posts in this thread on topic. jackofcourse got caught in the crossfire, but his post was not breaking any rules. It just didn't contain anything for me to leave, so I deleted it to avoid causing more confusion. Confusion which seems to have been caused anyway. :/

mistervista
02-27-2010, 09:24 PM
Come on bakscratch. Let's just chill out.

This is my last post on this thread and I would like to publicly apologise for the way my initial grievance escalated into what it did and also to wish the best of luck in winning to 4 of the finalists. They are all worthy winners and much better than ours. I personally would not have picked our level for the final either so if anyone thought my remarks were the result of 'sour grapes' then that surely should dispel that myth.

Thankyou.

smellyshelly
02-27-2010, 11:02 PM
Well i know where my vote is going, No Pegs Island!

That level was brilliant. It had looks, creativity, a comedic storyline, and just plain had me grinning from ear to ear the entire time. Plus it looks **** beautiful.

Great job Shris and lunieizsicc!

Shris
02-28-2010, 03:34 AM
Cool, we made it. Thank you to the judges :) Good luck to everyone else.

AeroForce22
02-28-2010, 04:45 AM
Congrats to the finalists. ^^ I wish I could vote, but sadly I have not played all those levels and I can't find time to accommodate doing so. So I'll refrain from voting.

Reading through this thread made me kind of sad. The whole community aspect of LBP is lost in silly arguments like this. Here's my little two cents into this disarray:

I feel favoritism does exist on this site, but not in this contest. I also feel that those who were cut should be given reasons as to why or at least a review of the level itself so they can compare their reviews to other reviews. It'll probably keep this secretive thing from showing up again. If the judges give full-length reviews of each level entered, participants can see that there level was, in fact, played, and see why their level was not picked to be a finalist. The whole favoritism thing will be smashed away by this too because, unless a completely BS reason is given, the level will be given an accurate review and a final score.

I hope to see another Online Create contest again in the future. ^^ Renegade and I had a blast, and we're working on a sequel that will hopefully be as amazing as we hope. Improvements will be vast, and the whole character system will be improved upon, and the collection system from the "body parts" sequence will return with a few new twists. We just can't wait to get this level going.

SteveBigGuns
02-28-2010, 05:52 AM
Myself and monkeysboys are both very happy that we were picked as a finalist. We had our doubts that it would be as its not the typical type of lbp level. Thanks to those who judged the entries for your hard work and best of luck to the other finalists :).

Duffluc
02-28-2010, 06:56 AM
Those are some mighty fine levels up there on that poll.. I went and played through those five but I'm having quite a time figuring out which one to vote for!

Everyone that entered should be proud of their work regardless of whether or not it made it on to that list. I've tried out more than just those 5 up there and they've all been a blast! But it would be way too much to ask of the community to play ALL 22 levels and then vote for one, many just don't have that kind of time. Competitions have to have a process of elimination, otherwise they wouldn't really be competitions... I think that the judges probably did the best job they could.

The goal of a competition isn't just to pick a winner, it's to push all entrants to do their best, and have fun doing it! We got so many quality levels out of this contest (22 in fact!) that we could very well have never seen if the contest hadn't existed. As long as people keep that in mind, and enter with a good frame of mind then there's nothing wrong with a little healthy competition! :)

JKthree
02-28-2010, 07:06 AM
Its going to tough for me to decide who to vote for..they are all so good :cry:

But anway Me and Grey have gotten the 5 finalists levels recorded. The ones Grey recorded are already up (wooden perception and No Peg's Island ) While mine are on the way (Me and grey teamed up with a friend for Howdy Partners)

I'll post the links later (or maybe I'll ask ConfusedCartman if he is interested in embedding them here at the 1st post, since people can see what the levels are like if they can't get on there PS3s for whatever reason) I'm exhasted :cry:

smellyshelly
02-28-2010, 07:32 AM
Wow that's great, I'd love to see them in video form, that's really nice of you.

Edited to ask, who is Grey and where can I find the videos that he has up? New to the forum so no idea where to find anything.

Thanks

KQuinn94Z
02-28-2010, 07:52 AM
GreyMRP and she's a girl. Maybe check her sig or something.

Vandz
02-28-2010, 07:55 AM
Lol at all the posts above me, you guys like moaning about a contest on a forum for a playstation game?, really?... :P, Well made me laugh for 20mins reading all that. i say scrap the contest, i mean everyone seems to be ****** off enough already so can't get much worse ^^ haha.

shebhnt
02-28-2010, 08:50 AM
Reading some of these posts made me think of "a dramatic reading of a breakup letter" on youtube (which if you haven't seen, go watch it now!)

I voted for Wooden Perception because it BLEW MY MIND. The way they use the different layers was genius. I felt very inspired after that seeing as using layers is one of my weak points as a creator.

Also, I'm very glad they choose 5 because I had a hard time finding time to play just those five. I already can only play on the weekends and that is if I have time. Work, school, and film projects are starting to build up so even my weekends are starting to disappear :(

TripleTremelo
02-28-2010, 09:14 AM
This is one tough decision. They're all so good.

Also, I'm glad Gone Missing is in the finals. If you play the level it's obvious MANY hours went into creating it, it'd be a shame if was disqualified just for being a couple hours late. Did those extra 12 or so hours make the difference on whether the level made it to the finals? No, it's just a technicality. If it wins it'll be deserving.

CCubbage
02-28-2010, 10:29 AM
Excellent list of levels! Maybe the first few pages of negativity should be deleted from this thread.... none of it is valid at all. It should be moved into an entirely different thread labeled "Fiction". Looking at the final 5 - virtually NONE of the creators in the list are super active or well-known in this site, which means the idea of favoritism is rediculous. The final 5 list PROVES it's a valid competition.

I personally picked No Pegs Island because it was a style of gameplay I loved, but any of the 5 are deserving. Great job judges and contestents!

Now, I think someone mentioned above I could get in the community spotlight if I produced an empty level with point bubbles.... which is great because I haven't had any ideas lately. Hmmm..... "Invisible dark matter point bubble world H4H".....

Seriuosly, folks - don't pick on the community spotlight - playing through tons of levels in order to create the list is a TOUGH job, and they are constantly putting creators new to LBPC up there.

Coxy224
02-28-2010, 11:15 AM
Guys! What's with all the spotlight bashing earlier :rolleyes:
Morgana puts a lot of work into that.. and some of us then go in a put comments on the levels she's written up ;)

On topic though, I think I've played them all now and I still can't decide... gimma a few minutes

Tawarf
02-28-2010, 11:22 AM
Is there a way to take your vote back and vote for someone else! I suddenly realised how much i liked another level way more... i hate myself... im such a stupid immature teenager =D

Unknown_creator
02-28-2010, 11:55 AM
lol this is only about the finalist cant wait to see when the winner is picked XD congradulations to all the finalist and to all the people that made great level for the commutiny to enjoy. Its all about having fun and remember there is always the next contest to enter.

oldage
02-28-2010, 12:39 PM
I've been reading this thread and I just wanna make one comment: why join a contest if you're only gonna whine afterwards when you have lost?

either way, my vote is going to "Howdy partners!" from Killzonequinn and Ruof, I LOVED to play that level with a friend.

comphermc
02-28-2010, 01:20 PM
Is there a way to take your vote back and vote for someone else! I suddenly realised how much i liked another level way more... i hate myself... im such a stupid immature teenager =D

Try sending a PM to ConfusedCartman to see if he can swap it out. If not, we can probably still manually change it afterwards (or you can just let us know of the change here, so there's no drama if it comes down to the wire).

Voodeedoo
02-28-2010, 01:48 PM
i just got done reading the first half of this post, and it got me in a giggly/shocked mood. its kinda creepy knowing that the trolls that responded in such a way, are actually lunatics. its a ****ing video game people! its not life!

anyways i'ma repeat everyone and say i wish luck on the top five and that maybe a top ten could've spiced things up a bit :P

Kern
02-28-2010, 02:11 PM
wow... just wow...

/runs

gamegirl
02-28-2010, 03:34 PM
I voted for Wooden Perception for the following reasons:

1. The design was beautiful, simple and complicated all at once.
2. The minimal use of conversation balloons lets the user figure out the puzzles on their own, creating more of a challenge for the more advanced users.
3. The bubble path was succinct and well designed eliminating the need for the above mentioned conversation balloons.
4. The fly traps were a unique and innovative invention.
5. The race was diabolical at first, but fun and easy once you figured it out.
6. The fire pit was and still is my downfall!! lol, I have been trying to ace this level and this section gets me each time.
7. The end was a beautiful relief, and makes you feel as though you just accomplished something great.
8. There was no inane story line, just things for the user to figure out and things to test the user’s skills at sack management.

Luos_83
02-28-2010, 06:46 PM
Dead Space: New Arrivals by monkeysboys and steve_big_guns
Gone Missing by Spawner1AndOnly and X-NOBODY-X
Howdy Partners! by killzonequinn07 and Ruof
No Peg's Island by Lunieizsicc and Shris
Wooden Perception by JJohnson24 and Vandz

I kinda agree with the final list,
Well.. besides Gone missing.. (nothing against you nobody, but this was your worst work yet)

Dead space shouldnt win as that would be a slap in the face for originality and gameplay. (win for visuals, but visuals alon should not make you win a competition unless its a "most beautifull/well excecuted visuals" contest)

Howdy partners was fun, solid and had a lot of variation, but not a winner.

As there where two really great ones on this list;
Wooden perception, its very well executed on all aspects, visually solid.. original and fun gameplay.
And No Peg's Island, which blew away everything in the competition for being very solid, very well designed, original and fun.

rtm223
02-28-2010, 06:54 PM
gamegirl's post pretty much mirrors my thoughts on the level. It's a original and well crafted puzzler / platformer that gave enough visual info to lead the player, without treating you likea moron (the common downfall of levels in this style that try to be a bit challenging). In a set of finalists that were all so good and so different, I felt that it was the best level at being what it was trying to be :)

Sadly doesn't seem like it's gonna win, but it gets my vote!


Lol, totally got the wrong username there, fixed up now :)

smellyshelly
02-28-2010, 07:04 PM
I kinda agree with the final list,
Well.. besides Gone missing.. (nothing against you nobody, but this was your worst work yet)

Dead space shouldnt win as that would be a slap in the face for originality and gameplay. (win for visuals, but visuals alon should not make you win a competition unless its a "most beautifull/well excecuted visuals" contest)

Howdy partners was fun, solid and had a lot of variation, but not a winner.

As there where two really great ones on this list;
Wooden perception, its very well executed on all aspects, visually solid.. original and fun gameplay.
And No Peg's Island, which blew away everything in the competition for being very solid, very well designed, original and fun.

I totally agree, I couldn't have said it better myself.

OmegaSlayer
02-28-2010, 07:50 PM
Wooden Perception wins over No Peg's because it's a linear level, and it's wonderful gameplay wise, with lots of ideas.
The flytraps are pure genious.
I always prefer a straight gameplay to exploration levels were you have to go back and forth thousand times (unless Grantos creates them :p )
Howdy is d'n good too, but being a 2x only experience is cutting its legs.
Dead Space is only good about visuals and Gone Missing has anything I don't like in a level, from the lack of background to that kind of use of stickering, so I still miss Meddling Magpies a lot, since it looks wonderful, has lots of ideas and new fresh gameplay thingies.

JKthree
02-28-2010, 08:00 PM
Alright all the videos are up and ready.

Dead Space: New Arrivals by monkeysboys and steve_big_guns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGZLn4YGVmw

Gone Missing by Spawner1AndOnly and X-NOBODY-X
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqBIst45XKE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRBu_ZudUxc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZH7O6JaNMQ

Howdy Partners! by killzonequinn07 and Ruof
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MsLrvmur6E

No Peg's Island by Lunieizsicc and Shris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqHFJ7MmvNA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJuime686SY

Wooden Perception by JJohnson24 and Vandz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoBOrXzG6qQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8XYE7F9-Cw

Incinerator22
02-28-2010, 11:34 PM
I hope no one votes on something for difficulty, that's completely subjective.

Mr. Lunasicc
03-01-2010, 12:14 AM
why would u post youtube videos? .......... now ppl can vote without even ever playin the level for themselves... doesnt seem smart to me

Incinerator22
03-01-2010, 02:13 AM
I've thought it over and I personally like No Peg's Island the best. An even amount of the thermo looks like it went in visulas and gameplay. I wouldn't want Dead Space to win because it's more of an eye candy level...

Luos_83
03-01-2010, 11:54 AM
I hope no one votes on something for difficulty, that's completely subjective.

*Facepalm.jpg*

Nuff said.

Miglioshin
03-01-2010, 02:07 PM
I had a difficult time in voting, then I finally decided.
My vote goes to... drum drum drum:
HOWDY PARTNERS!
Why?
To support the dare-ing move to have an only 2x level!

Fumo161
03-01-2010, 03:32 PM
I played them and I believe full heartedly that No Peg's Island deserves to win.
On that note I'd like to say that I ignorantly sent an email asking to check out any of my levels that I created. Foolish I was I didn't know there was a contest presently.
I mostly did it for the crown though in honest truth. God I want one. I feel so selfish.

When will the next contest be? I am eager to show my stuff.

Kern
03-01-2010, 03:53 PM
I voted for Killzonequinns level simply because they took a risk and pulled it off, I liked all the others with the exception of gone missing, which i found incredibly disapointing for a X-NOBODY-X level, The plot was shambled, the Green light was only used a few times before being disregarded completely, you never found your girlfriend and the gameplay seemed to be ripped straight from Ratchet and Clank ACIT, and Amazingflyingpoos PSP Level.

monkeysboys
03-01-2010, 05:33 PM
well I really wanted to win but people really hate me and steve big guns gameplay we just wanted to keep it a solid gameplay lvl yet more of a lvl where u get the atmosphere of the game its about I knew steve big guns should of picked a different partner i really wanted him to earn a lbp crown I guess adding more detail is just a bad idea to bad my main skill in lbp is detail but thanks for letting me in the final list my family were proud of me

OmegaSlayer
03-01-2010, 05:51 PM
well I really wanted to win but people really hate me and steve big guns gameplay we just wanted to keep it a solid gameplay lvl yet more of a lvl where u get the atmosphere of the game its about I knew steve big guns should of picked a different partner i really wanted him to earn a lbp crown I guess adding more detail is just a bad idea to bad my main skill in lbp is detail but thanks for letting me in the final list my family were proud of me
You're totally wrong sir.
People doesn't hate you or Steve.
It's simply that I and some others believe that a winning level must be an original and all rounded trip, with good visuals, challenging gameplay, puzzles and everything in place.
While your level is awesome visual wise, it really lacks in gameplay, that's a choice that I respect but I simply don't share.
That's my personal point of view.

JKthree
03-01-2010, 06:00 PM
why would u post youtube videos? .......... now ppl can vote without even ever playin the level for themselves... doesnt seem smart to me

With the whole ApocolyPS3/ PSN network shutdown/8001050F, and who knows how long (or even if) this can be fixed Those videos are looking pretty good right now for everybody else lol :p

rtm223
03-01-2010, 06:06 PM
Actually, I'd have been more inclined to vote for that level if there was less gameplay in it! The gameplay that was implimented and the constant intrusion of the hints instructions completely ruined all sense of atmosphere and immersion for me. Without that, the level could have been a fine example of well-crafted atmospheric experience, but it seemed to go out of its way to break the atmosphere at every opportunity :( Was a bit of a shame really.

As for adding more detail is a bad idea... Where could you have got that from? The level looks great! Nothing about the detail in it brought it down! Plus, don't act so morbid, you're still doing pretty well in the runnings :)

Incinerator22
03-01-2010, 09:18 PM
*Facepalm.jpg*

Nuff said.

Huh? The things I look for in great gameplay are originality, consistency, variety, and polish (etc). Difficulty is different. It's not like I don't personally prefer hard levels but I understand that easy levels can be just as good gameplay-wise (with originality, consistency, variety, and polish). Every amount of difficulty has its own preffered audience. Howdy Paryners has very original and ingenous puzzles but it's an easy, casual level. A level like Subterranean Setbacks is for players who want a challenge. And one of my personal favorites, xXWormholeXx's Elite Level...

..You get the idea :p


The gameplay that was implimented and the constant intrusion of the hints instructions completely ruined all sense of atmosphere and immersion for me. Without that, the level could have been a fine example of well-crafted atmospheric experience, but it seemed to go out of its way to break the atmosphere at every opportunity :( Was a bit of a shame really.


Now see, this is why I disagree with having a Subterranean Setback secrets counter >.<

bonner123
03-02-2010, 12:51 AM
I literally flipped a coin beween No Pegs Island and Wooden Perception. Both, I feel, are the two strongest levels. Followed by Howdy Partners, then Gone Missing, and Dead Space. All remarkable levels.

Incinerator22
03-02-2010, 01:15 AM
I'm surprised wooden perception is getting so little attention in the votes :confused:

comphermc
03-02-2010, 01:26 AM
The only real problem with wooden perception is that some parts are difficult. This may be a turn-off for some people, hence the small amount of attention. Really great level, though, if you've got the prowess to complete it.

Anyone else catch what the meaning of the level is...?

You were in a tree, tripping out???

jackofcourse
03-02-2010, 02:14 AM
I can't say I found Wooden Perception particularly tough. It is probably my favourite level there though.

Dead Space, I 100% agree with exactly what rtm said. They tried to recreate an atmosphere and a real immersive experience but compromised it by filling it with hints and adding little snippets of gameplay that didn't really add to the level, but just detracted from the purpose. They watered it down to appeal to the masses. If anyone looks up the thread I think me and Steve had a bit of a debate about it.

Gone Missing. Really not my type of level at all. And I thought the visuals were pretty bland in parts. I can appreciate it, I suppose, but I don't like it.

Howdy Partner, it's a good level but I don't think it deserves to win. It is looked up on more because it is a two player level, and by default, that is going to seem different and more innovative. There's a few sections in there that are really clever, but some of it can be quite derivative and sticks to the '1p activates something, lets 2p get somewhere, 2p activates something there, lets 1p join them'. Again, it is a definitely a fun level, but it didn't really offer anything that special or new in terms of both gameplay and visuals.

No Pegs had some amazing visuals and a really interesting concept. Again, it isn't really my kind of thing, but this is one that I can definitely appreciate and would probably put second.

Wooden Perception is my favourite on there. The gameplay is fun and innovative and the visuals work really well. The stand out point is the layer usage, it is absolutely fantastic. A lot of people moan about the layers in LBP and that they are fiddly and need work. There's absolutely nothing wrong with them, it's just that some people don't get how they work. When you know how they work, they are consistent and make perfect sense. These guys have them totally sussed and have used them to their advantage. They've pulled off things that not many people would think of and it's added a whole different side to the gameplay.

PaddyJ
03-02-2010, 04:05 PM
No Peg definately. Lots to do, great visuals, fun, some of my favourite game characters and great platforming for an exploration level. Wooden perception comes second though, I loved all the original layer using puzzles(like the one with the springboard where you have to put a thin layer infront of the holes to springboard even higher).

Mr. Lunasicc
03-02-2010, 06:18 PM
With the whole ApocolyPS3/ PSN network shutdown/8001050F, and who knows how long (or even if) this can be fixed Those videos are looking pretty good right now for everybody else lol :p

yea true but i posted that before this happened and it should be clear by now
btw NO PEG'S ISLAND FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

julesyjules
03-02-2010, 07:28 PM
There's something for everyone in these 5.

I had a hard time choosing, No Pegs and Howdy Partners are really good fun, Dead Space is a visual knockout and i liked the ambitious narrative and theme in Gone Missing. I voted for Wooden Perception for its cleverness and variety.

ruof
03-02-2010, 08:54 PM
Waow! We made it to the top 5 !
Thanks everyone!

ferrrch
03-02-2010, 10:52 PM
yes, totaly agree but is an awesome level.

Mr. Lunasicc
03-03-2010, 04:30 PM
ok................ seems like someone is boosting that dead space level..... u cant just go from 26 to 49 in like 8 hours

Kern
03-03-2010, 04:32 PM
ok................ seems like someone is boosting that dead space level..... u cant just go from 26 to 49 in like 8 hours

Surely Confused Cartman can check who voted? or what accounts have been made recently that have the same IP

Gilgamesh
03-03-2010, 05:03 PM
ok................ seems like someone is boosting that dead space level..... u cant just go from 26 to 49 in like 8 hours

It's only at 45 though, and if the delay is 8 hours, getting only 3 votes an hour is enough to get there, which doesn't seem particularly farfetched.

ConfusedCartman
03-03-2010, 06:10 PM
We have investigated this matter and we have confirmed that there has indeed been cheating in the voting. Sadly, monkeysboys, one of the authors of Dead Space: New Arrivals, has taken it upon himself to make multiple accounts and attempt to sway the votes in his favor. We do not know at this time if the other author was involved or even aware of what he was doing, but suffice it to say that level will be disqualified. This thread has been locked and the poll closed - we will reset the scores and start over again, with a new level replacing the Dead Space level.

We apologize to the finalists for delaying the results even further, but starting fresh is the only way to be sure. Thanks again for bearing with us as we sort this out.