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cheesemuffins99
05-11-2010, 12:27 AM
What do you think will happen to survival levels in LBP2, will there be new kinds, will they be crappy, will people make a lot of races. And will H4H still be there or will It be gone.

warlord_evil
05-11-2010, 12:29 AM
I hear the community is going to be refined to be like Facebook and other websites, to promote the best levels. So there may be H4H, unless Mm already solved the problems it's caused, but you're unlikely to see it.

DarkFray
05-11-2010, 01:13 AM
Honestly, I think that race levels as shown will be too hard for the inexperienced creator to make.
So chances are, they'll stick with Bomb, Shark, and Obstacle courses.... Just make them look more fanciful with the new materials available.

RangerZero
05-11-2010, 01:31 AM
If the trophies are once again badly designed and encouraging abuse and bad behavior (like in LBP), yes the H4H, spamming and crap level just to pulblish a level will all be there again.

And if there's a "genre" classification for our creations (wich I did not see yet in the trailers and pics), you will not be bothered by the survival challenges as they would be a genre and you'll be able to ignore them.

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Karkle
05-11-2010, 03:41 AM
if the new design is like facebook as you say, people will constantly bother you to become a fan of their page or join their group or something

JspOt
05-11-2010, 03:43 AM
facebook... that place is horrible...
Ranger Zero is right on both terms.

Shadowcrazy
05-11-2010, 04:01 AM
i think Mm has just put H4H in a seperate genre of its own...maybe a default BLANK genre...in which all lazy H4Hers and bomb survivals would leave the genre field blank...and then you could just ignore them easier that way since you'd ask for specific genres

JspOt
05-11-2010, 04:04 AM
Yaay Shadowcrazy make good ideaz!!!

midnight_heist
05-11-2010, 12:42 PM
i think Mm has just put H4H in a seperate genre of its own...maybe a default BLANK genre...in which all lazy H4Hers and bomb survivals would leave the genre field blank...and then you could just ignore them easier that way since you'd ask for specific genres

That would be so awesome. Just tell the kids to go play in the corner. :p

lk9988
05-11-2010, 07:10 PM
I'm fine with ACTUAL survival challenges (such as the ones you see in the story mode of LBP1) but I hope they implement... something to reduce the number of bomb survival challenges and the like. If they made no trophies which involved the community, then h4h would be almost instantly killed off, because people would see no reason for it. The whole "streaming" idea seems very useful to experienced creators.

JspOt
05-13-2010, 02:43 AM
Just changing trophies won't work as much- hearts are viewed by some as those who are famous.

KablooieKablam
05-13-2010, 09:27 AM
The only thing I can think of is thinking of a fancy name for H4H and putting it in the Good Grief menu.

Asterix1806
05-13-2010, 10:22 AM
I'm going to be a pessimist and say that bad levels are still going to get unfair ammounts of attention. There's just no way Mm could make a failsafe equation for truly awesome levels getting attention. Though that's what I said about LBP's editor too. Maybe there is hope.

I guess there will be a lot of levels using the bird perspective, the control pod and other new feature that come with the sequel. Paintinator was overused when MGS pack first came too, same with water. I just hope that there will be salmon-sackboys that fight the mainstream and make original and fresh levels.

But to switch the subject, I do hope that they get rid of Create, or at least heavily modify it. It's the root of all evil. If we think of it, H4H wouldn't exist if it weren't for the trophy. I would also like some "ignore creator"-feature, so that I wouldn't need to stand for bad creators like kaskaroto, or the russels or such.

But in the end, only time will tell what's going to happen. I just hope it's going to turn out good.

Snappyguy
05-13-2010, 10:35 AM
Bomb survival. But with an annoying voice when they blow up.

Silverleon
05-13-2010, 11:15 AM
Hey another alike thread over here btw. :)

http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?26641-The-next-annoying-fad%21

Syroc
05-13-2010, 11:20 AM
This cross linking can only to a error in the time-space continuum.

RangerZero
05-13-2010, 02:20 PM
Just changing trophies won't work as much- hearts are viewed by some as those who are famous.

People are not collecting for collecting. There are reasons. And the heart system did cause the H4H phenomenon because of this:

- A trophy asking you to collect them. This is bad. This makes people associate "hearts" with quality, performance, rating. People collect thing because they want the trophy or to look good.

Media Molecule should have explained and demonstrated with the game that "hearts" are a FAVORITE system and not a rating one. By putting out such trophies as collecting hearts, it didn't make that clear and heart became a "rating", a reason to brag and show off. Now in LBP 2 the hearts are called "Favorites" so I suppose Media Molecule realised their mistake here and corrected the problem.

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AbstractSam
05-13-2010, 02:52 PM
There is most definitely going to be a Sackbot-Zombie survival.

Delirium
05-13-2010, 08:39 PM
If the trophies are once again badly designed and encouraging abuse and bad behavior (like in LBP), yes the H4H, spamming and crap level just to pulblish a level will all be there again.

And if there's a "genre" classification for our creations (wich I did not see yet in the trailers and pics), you will not be bothered by the survival challenges as they would be a genre and you'll be able to ignore them.

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that is exactly what I suggested :-)

Delirium
05-13-2010, 08:41 PM
There is most definitely going to be a Sackbot-Zombie survival.

now that I can live with if done right :-) if they take their time to make a good scenery to go with and a story mode (like resident evil and left 4 dead) then bring them on.

shebhnt
05-14-2010, 06:20 PM
I feel bad for bomb survivals because I think when done right, they can be fun. They have just gotten a bad reputation because of how many they are and how all the copies are not original. I like survival challenges because they are usually A. Fun and B. Fast. I love levels like Lous's Legendary series but sometimes I just want to play a quick fun level. I feel like if done right any kind of level including bomb levels can be good.

poorjack
05-14-2010, 06:25 PM
agreed. some bomb survivals are fantastic. like "blonde survival" that level was so complex.

Jovuto
05-14-2010, 06:38 PM
Mm will hire Chuck Norris to squish all the H4H levels. :D

Junkyardassissan
05-20-2010, 01:35 PM
My hope is that with the new technolgy that simple levels can be more fun. Bomb survivals could be made a lot better if made well. Pepole will always want to be famous and to earn trophies.

doubletime
05-20-2010, 02:41 PM
Survival levels isn't bad. Simply stop replays counting. Don't reward h4h with trophies. We can't force klids to play our levels. So why not have a " sackbot zombie survival " catagory so that we won't be botherd by bomb survivals if we don't want to be botherd by theM ?

There is nothing fair about this community in the end. But it would be a good idea to have a catagory with mixed levels based on quality ( Edditors choice ) As opposed to popularity.

My bet= Whole tons of rope race levels, People are gonna use the swing shot and rope. An d they are going to like it. Just look what happend to worms that was made for battles but turned into this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTP5crYaGW8

A rope rope race map isn that hard to make. But might be alot harder to play.

If the Power gloves works like in super mario bros 2 were you can hold objects over your'e head and toss them i can promisse you there are going to be alot of bomb survivals were you have to grab bombs and throw them away.

Anything that is easy to make, and populair will become a new trend... Sadly... =(

Junkyardassissan
05-20-2010, 04:35 PM
From what i heard bomb survivals aren't that easy to make. You need to use logic to make them fall randomly and you have to make different types of bombs and stuff. Admitly shark levels are quite easy if you know what to do but still.............

Madafaku
05-21-2010, 12:22 AM
if the new design is like facebook as you say, people will constantly bother you to become a fan of their page or join their group or something

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RagTagPwner
05-21-2010, 01:16 AM
A bunch of racing levels wouldn't be as bad if the top down camera is used.