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RockSauron
12-26-2010, 06:17 PM
One of the best things I enjoyed with LBPC: The Game was the endorsement I obtained from this site. Even though the LBPC label turned out to be a curse concerning LBPC: The Game, it did help propel us to actually complete it. One of the things I obtained from my LBPC: The Game Retrospective thread (http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?42196-LBPC-The-Game-Thoughts-in-Retrospect) was that having the LBPC label propelled expectations and all that stuff. So, were LBPC to endorse projects, the overall reception of them in LBP2 would (ideally) be greater then without.

So essentially, what I'm trying to say is that LBPC should take more of an active role in endorsing community projects. I've already seen two such projects on the PSP side be semi-endorsed, and while I'm sure pretty much every PS3er is waiting for LBP2 to come out to do their projects, I'm sure that it would be a nice boost for there to be a plan concerning these projects in LBP2.

Many people have come to expect great things from LBPC, and I'm sure that if... say, we had an "LBPC label" concerning projects endorsed by the site, I'm sure it would greatly increase excitement since, hey, many people think of this site as where all the "Cool" creators hang out :rolleyes:

Ok, so I'll make my actual suggestions short and sweet.

1. A forum specifically dedicated for Projects Endorsed by the site.
2. A private forum FOR each project endorsed by the site. Potentially a Public one, but that may be a bit overkill.
3. In the forum for Site Projects, a sticky with the guidelines for Site Endorsement. (CC told me they already had some when I pmed him about the "ARR PEE GEE", so shouldn't be too hard)

Now, this may do something for favoritism or whatever since only the "cool" projects would be part of it. However, I feel that, if we open up the site to endorse as many projects as it can, it could potentially:

1. Increase excitement for the project itself (As it is sponsored by LBPC, where all the awesome creators are!
2. Increase publicity for this site.
3. Increase the amount of games that actually come into being.

And that third one is the most important to me. After all, LBP2 IS a platform for games, so I think LBPC should do its part o make sure as many "games" are relased as possible.

Any comments or suggestions? Please feel free to say so :)

wolverine_2008
12-26-2010, 06:55 PM
I second this. LBPC needs to endorse more community projects. I don't think it would be that hard either, I mean yeah just give us a separate forum. But I have one question.

I think we should have a separate "sign up" forum where we can lists the pending projects, and that's where people "audition" or "tryout" to be part of that project.

piggabling
12-26-2010, 09:44 PM
Agreed. This site seems to keep endorsed projects at the bare minimum; an unhealthy minimum. A little more envolvement would be superb.

I really can't think of anything else to say... you covered it all. :p

Silver39
12-26-2010, 10:31 PM
The PSP side has only had two community projects and the PSP side is quite small. So, there are few projects that have to compete for endorsements.

The PS3 is the opposite and it seems that it might cause a little chaos and a lot of people to start whining that they didn't get selected for an endorsement.

/myopinion

Kitkasumass
12-26-2010, 11:13 PM
I think the try out thing is definitely a good idea. Creators would have to prove that they can do a good job before getting endorsement. That way when the project does come out, it's always something nice that people say "Wow, LBPc is looking awesome. I'm sure it would make some people mad if they weren't selected or whatever. But it would keep LBPc's name off of anything that makes the site look like a huge group of noobs.

Tomeh999
12-27-2010, 02:21 AM
I agree with this completely! If we could endorse projects, many people would actually finish it! I know that out of the many LBP 2 Projects and Planning threads, few will actually be finished because of the lack of encouragement!

Night Angel
12-27-2010, 03:12 AM
I agree with RockSauron's community projects idea and the tryouts idea. Both would really benefit the community. And when the admins and mods realize that a subforum for a community project isn't getting much activity, they can shut it down if there is a good reason.

piggabling
12-27-2010, 06:17 AM
I motion that a project should first get finished, or at least started, before mods, admins, and whatnot can decide to slap on that "Seal Of Approval". Once the project is approved, it's granted a thread in the designated forum. It's essentially a more structured tryout.

Projects in the "Ideas and Projects" forum should also be regularly checked by a special Public Relations member of the community. This member would be the scout for new projects that could possibly be endorsed and could handle business such as requests for endorsement, etc. Once the PR member approves of a project, it should be put up for voting among the mods and admin. A sort of democratic solution.

Finally, once granted approval by each house, if you will, of the forums, the project will be given endorsement and a thread in the appropriate forum.

Problem solved?

Edit: Focus mostly on just the second paragraph and excuse the terrible continuity, transitions, and any grammatical errors of the above text. It's a little tough on the mobile to edit everything...

Random
12-27-2010, 03:39 PM
Actully over on the PSP side, too many community projects can lead into much less releasing of stand-alone levels, as been exhibited by the one that has just past, by taking just about a majority of our quality creators to even take one. It benefitial when it comes out, but its not as much as # of stand-alones. I like community projects and working on them too, but in somecase, such as over on the PSP side, too much may not be a good thing always.



(As it is sponsored by LBPC, where all the awesome creators are!)

True that.

RockSauron
12-29-2010, 12:29 AM
Well, nice to see that some people agree.

But yeah. This site should do something to encourage these kinds of projects... though obviously we need to wait for CC to read this so... /psuedo bump

warlord_evil
12-29-2010, 12:42 AM
I like the idea, LBPC putting out updates of the newest projects and what-not on the front page or something...

The projects don't have to necessarily involve LBP level projects do they?

Tomeh999
12-31-2010, 12:50 AM
I don't see why this thread isn't getting much attention. The idea is great, and people could really use the morale boost. Even if CC says that this idea might go bad I encourage him to at least try it out! It could really be a great thing for this site!

TehUberZac
12-31-2010, 01:05 AM
... sounds like a lot of time, effort and over-organising. Is it really needed? Maybe there could be an invisible forum for projects. Much simpler.

Devious_Oatmeal
01-01-2011, 05:38 AM
I kind of agree with TehUberZac on the invisible forum. If I'm reading that right, he wants to hide it in the bottom left corner of each page that only reveals itself when you press up, up, down, down.

Nah just kidding. Maybe it could be in the community tab of the Forum section. But then there would be the issue of whether or not it will be seen at all. Or where the community spotlight or creator spotlight is. Not replacing them just there as well.Or maybe to the right of donate and call it projects.

Also I think threads like this aren't getting much attention due to the fact that people don't even know this thread exists.

But, I thought a little. Couldn't there just be a section for a group dedicated to the fans of a project?

One group for the makers and another for the fans. Just have the group for the fans open to everyone (public), and the group supplies info and updates in that group. Just have a section for these groups and call it "Endorsed Projects/Groups".

Tomeh999
01-01-2011, 04:57 PM
I can't say I agree with you tehuberzac, It won't take too much organization.
It could be similar to the Cool Pages in the Level Showcase. If enough people like the project it's gets moved to the Endorsed Projects subforum.

piggabling
01-01-2011, 05:08 PM
... sounds like a lot of time, effort and over-organising. Is it really needed? Maybe there could be an invisible forum for projects. Much simpler.

Honestly, it wouldn't be a great amount of work. More of a one time deal, where once they do it the first time, it's easier from then on. All of the time, effort, and organizing comes from the members, not the site.

RockSauron
01-02-2011, 05:43 PM
Really, it wouldn't take much work at all. Like, literally zilch. I know that they didn't do really anything other then the odd notification or whatever during the 20 months I was on LBPC: TG... and what I'm asking for is for something like that to be more the norm. We've got all these projects, and we should be doing something to make sure more of them survive. And it won't take really any effort at all to give these projects the extra boost they need :/

Lockstitch
01-02-2011, 06:21 PM
I guess I just need to point out what I see as drawbacks here. I like the idea but just see Lots of issues.

1st.... Putting the lbpc name on projects could help them out. However it would be ultimately important to insure the quality of the project. If not then the lbpc name will loose it's quality. Creating a process to decide which projects get endorsed will be time consuming to make and maintain. We already strain our manpower here with all the effort people put into the sites spotlights.

2nd... Is it really that important to put lbpc's name on a project to validate it? I feel it isn't needed in most respects. If your gonna make a cool series or project... Just do it. People here will generally support an interesting project I believe.

So ultimately my fear is that something such as this will take a lot of work.... And if not done well will sully the name of lbpc.

Just my two cents...

Fail4all
01-02-2011, 09:33 PM
I guess I just need to point out what I see as drawbacks here. I like the idea but just see Lots of issues.

1st.... Putting the lbpc name on projects could help them out. However it would be ultimately important to insure the quality of the project. If not then the lbpc name will loose it's quality. Creating a process to decide which projects get endorsed will be time consuming to make and maintain. We already strain our manpower here with all the effort people put into the sites spotlights.

2nd... Is it really that important to put lbpc's name on a project to validate it? I feel it isn't needed in most respects. If your gonna make a cool series or project... Just do it. People here will generally support an interesting project I believe.

So ultimately my fear is that something such as this will take a lot of work.... And if not done well will sully the name of lbpc.

Just my two cents...

I have to agree with this. Even though Project Endorsement is a good idea on paper, paper gets see-through and thin when rubbed with grease. Sure, you can try to endorse a project person A made, but what about person B? If only person A gets a Project Endorsement, then you have to think about Person B. How will he/she feel? Then, if you try to solve everyone's problems by endorsing their projects, you have to wonder about their project's quality, time spent on said project, how much time needed for the project, issues people might have with their project, etc. That sort of thing.

Tomeh999
01-04-2011, 01:16 AM
I have to agree with this. Even though Project Endorsement is a good idea on paper, paper gets see-through and thin when rubbed with grease. Sure, you can try to endorse a project person A made, but what about person B? If only person A gets a Project Endorsement, then you have to think about Person B. How will he/she feel? Then, if you try to solve everyone's problems by endorsing their projects, you have to wonder about their project's quality, time spent on said project, how much time needed for the project, issues people might have with their project, etc. That sort of thing.

So you're saying we shouldn't endorse good projects because somebody with a project idea that isn't as good might feel sad? I don't think many people would complain about not having their project endorsed, but for those odd amount of people who would, well they should just take it less personally.


I guess I just need to point out what I see as drawbacks here. I like the idea but just see Lots of issues.

1st.... Putting the lbpc name on projects could help them out. However it would be ultimately important to insure the quality of the project. If not then the lbpc name will loose it's quality. Creating a process to decide which projects get endorsed will be time consuming to make and maintain. We already strain our manpower here with all the effort people put into the sites spotlights.

2nd... Is it really that important to put lbpc's name on a project to validate it? I feel it isn't needed in most respects. If your gonna make a cool series or project... Just do it. People here will generally support an interesting project I believe.

So ultimately my fear is that something such as this will take a lot of work.... And if not done well will sully the name of lbpc.

Just my two cents...

2 good points but...

@ 1 - It's not directly putting the LBPC title on the level name. If the level ends up poor because of the creator(s) LBPC has the right to withdraw their name from the level.

@ 2 - Although true, generally most ideas that people discuss are from the more popular people on the site. I, for example, have an LBP2 Project Thread. In this thread, few people have tried to discuss this project with me, but those few that did gave me really good feedback. Would it really hurt to give the unknown creators a little boost?

RockSauron
01-04-2011, 01:51 AM
And even if they won't officially support the project, I still think something akin to the Community Spotlight might be in order.

Perhaps what we could do is have us be able to pm CC with the release of some stuff. Like an announcement thing to draw attention to the games... or special news bulletins.

So instead of LBPC officially supporting all these projects, we can just have it so that they can promote several big projects to the Front Page for a FAQ or whatever.

TheZimInvader
01-04-2011, 07:32 AM
So...What about projects that aren't exactly levels/games in LBP/LBP2? You know, like, maybe a certain upcoming comic series that has a lot to do with LBPC? Would that apply as well?

Holguin86
01-04-2011, 10:36 AM
If you don't mind me asking, was LBPC:TG an idea you proposed to CC, or was it an idea CC proposed to you?

Yes, I think LBPC could endorse more community projects, as it would generate interest and a reputation for LBPC. But I think asking for endorsement of an existing project could result in floods of endorsement requests, and complaints if a project isn't endorsed. I think if a community project is first proposed by LBPC, with the promise of endorsement, that should be enough encouragement for people to join up and make it a good one.

That way, LBPC gets to put a cap on the projects it endorses so it doesn't have a flood of projects clamouring for attention; also, people can't complain that their projects haven't been endorsed, as LBPC is in charge of all endorsed projects. ... :p

Keldur
01-04-2011, 11:17 AM
If you don't mind me asking, was LBPC:TG an idea you proposed to CC, or was it an idea CC proposed to you?

Yes, I think LBPC could endorse more community projects, as it would generate interest and a reputation for LBPC. But I think asking for endorsement of an existing project could result in floods of endorsement requests, and complaints if a project isn't endorsed. I think if a community project is first proposed by LBPC, with the promise of endorsement, that should be enough encouragement for people to join up and make it a good one.


That way, LBPC gets to put a cap on the projects it endorses so it doesn't have a flood of projects clamouring for attention; also, people can't complain that their projects haven't been endorsed, as LBPC is in charge of all endorsed projects. ... :p

Gotta agree with Holguin here.
If LBPC was to PROPOSE the projects, isntead of ACCEPT PROPOSITIONS, the whole thing would be much more streamlined.
Like "We're planning to make a series of levels about why driving while drunk might be a bad idea; we need some creators"
Now that was a bad example, but I believe ther could be some way to decide the theme of the thing.

Obviusly, there should be a manager for all this, somebody who determines if the creators are good enough for the job, requiring the minimum spotlight level OR even higher. Yeah, I said it. Even higher if it's possible.
I know that for such a job the creator of this thread springs to mind, but to be fair, other people should be considered, I believe. Somebody with outstanding creating skills would fit the job perfectly, I believe; the more you know about create mode, the more chances there are that you'll be able to spot creating skillz when you see them.

And, overall, yes to the whole idea. This would insuflate even more life to LBPC if done right.

piggabling
01-04-2011, 08:14 PM
Gotta agree with Holguin here.
If LBPC was to PROPOSE the projects, isntead of ACCEPT PROPOSITIONS, the whole thing would be much more streamlined.
Like "We're planning to make a series of levels about why driving while drunk might be a bad idea; we need some creators"
Now that was a bad example, but I believe ther could be some way to decide the theme of the thing.

Obviusly, there should be a manager for all this, somebody who determines if the creators are good enough for the job, requiring the minimum spotlight level OR even higher. Yeah, I said it. Even higher if it's possible.
I know that for such a job the creator of this thread springs to mind, but to be fair, other people should be considered, I believe. Somebody with outstanding creating skills would fit the job perfectly, I believe; the more you know about create mode, the more chances there are that you'll be able to spot creating skillz when you see them.

And, overall, yes to the whole idea. This would insuflate even more life to LBPC if done right.

I don't agree with the text in bold.

First, it should not be up to one person to decide if a creator is "good" enough to work for a project of the magnitude you would be suggesting -- proposed by the site and all.

Second, it is far to unfair to be judged in that manner. Quite elitist, which, from what I hear, is something LBPC tries avoids strongly.

Also, if only LBPC were to propose projects I see a few possible problems:
1. There still could end up being too few projects if LBPC did so. I agree with a cap on projects, but it should be reasonable. Enough to allow projects to be brought out during the course of the whole year.
2. LBPC may begin to slow down and even stop doing them like it's done with site-sponsored contests.

I'm not saying it wouldn't work, but if this is the route we'd go, I personally believe that proposals should still be accepted. As you said, "... if done right."

Tomeh999
01-04-2011, 08:53 PM
So...What about projects that aren't exactly levels/games in LBP/LBP2? You know, like, maybe a certain upcoming comic series that has a lot to do with LBPC? Would that apply as well?

That is quite a good idea, although most LBP/LBPC related projects are in-game, and I think Fatal Fantasia has enough people supporting it ;)

Also just a general statement, this thread should have somebody more... "official" see this. Would anybody be able to PM CC or somebody to see this? I would but I fear them!

RockSauron
01-04-2011, 08:58 PM
That is quite a good idea, although most LBP/LBPC related projects are in-game, and I think Fatal Fantasia has enough people supporting it ;)

Also just a general statement, this thread should have somebody more... "official" see this. Would anybody be able to PM CC or somebody to see this? I would but I fear them!

I have messaged CC on msn a few times (read: twice) over the past two days but he didn't respond... either he wasn't on msn or was busy or what.

Also, don't be worried of being afraid of him... TBQH, I'm a little afraid of him too. <_>

Devious_Oatmeal
01-05-2011, 01:18 PM
LBPC wants to endorse projects, yes? But the problem is that you have no way YET to organize this. Like I said before with the whole group thing, but added stuff.

There should be 2 groups, one for the creators, and one for the fans. I noticed that nearly all projects in groups didn't have any info on what the project was about. Just the members and day it was created. Maybe the groups can have 2 sections, one for the creators and one for the fans. IDK.

I say either let the COMMUNITY CHOOSE OR HAVE A TEAM TO CHOOSE. Maybe post a sticky talking about this thread in project and planning. Maybe tell them to make groups with info to let others know what they are doing.

As for favoritism, I think the spotlight speaks for itself. I'm sure people are sad that their lvls don't get spotlighted, and like Rock said:


And even if they won't officially support the project, I still think something akin to the Community Spotlight might be in order.

I think the problem is you and the community. Work with their needs and wants but don't spoil them. Also, there needs to be more publicity for this idea than the forum first. Pertaining to this idea of course.

Also, are you just going to be choosing projects on LBPC? (A stupid question I know, but has a reason)

If not, then will you be giving or using any way for a chosen project to be acknowledged? Will there be "Acknowledged By LBPC" in the title or something?

I really keep rambling on about this, but not to preach or give a sermon, but to see if this reflects on y'all at all. Don't know why no one said anything about my last post here, but I hope it's not because of my lvl.