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Apple2012
07-17-2012, 04:40 PM
I'm back to this subject again, but all I know is that a level has to be fun enough for Mm to play, the are no content related to things not provided by DLCs, and the H4H and P4P should not be in the description or title. However, I felt like I was asking the guy who does the Mm Picks too much, and I think I messed up. That's why I'm asking.

Lbphart3
07-17-2012, 05:05 PM
Not that i know of since some lack a lot from what iv played just being honest.:)

Sackpapoi
07-17-2012, 05:32 PM
I think you've named most of them. There are probably more I'm not aware of. But yeah, so far all I know is copyright restrictions...and that's pretty much all I've actually heard officially mentioned. There are those common sense factors of course, but we could go on for a while about that.

arbiekko
07-18-2012, 07:18 AM
The criteria for any Mm pick change from moment to moment because the person doing the picking is, on top of being drowned in general community maintenance, a fallible normal human.^^ Unfortunately, for every well-meaning request about how better to design a level for Mm picking, he is inundated by less scrupulous players who are seeking the shortest cut to the greatest reward, which necessitates a sort of nebulous, even contradictory selection process to prevent anyone from "gaming" what little system there is.

While Mm picks provide a standard to aspire to, it's unfortunately not a standard that can be pursued with any expectation of consistent reward, because the standard itself is not consistent (or consistently recognized, anyway).

Making the best dang Apple2012-style level possible is the most respectable thing you can do with your talent. "Doing everything right" won't guarantee a pick or even plays, but creating your vision without the fetters or potentially self-censoring influences of trying to fit it to someone else's undefined ideal will make it better. Always. This is not to discourage you from aiming for that glorious pink ribbon, of course!

The mantra basically goes, as I'm sure you've seen elsewhere: Create levels for yourself. :)

The results are a boon to the community when they are good, and the intelligent community appreciates it.

* Statistical update: Mm picks have so far been bestowed on fewer than 0.0002% of all levels (assuming two Mm picks per day since the game's launch, which is a huge over-estimate).

Apple2012
07-18-2012, 03:45 PM
So I see, you have to make a level with great ability and unforgettable experience, not expect Mm to pick the level. I tried hard on my level "Glow World" at least. I should also have patience.

SSTAGG1
07-21-2012, 04:55 PM
The MM picks are meant to, IMO, point out what incredible things can be done in LBP. You have doubtless seen a few picks that weren't exactly pristine quality, but at the time were something no one had ever managed to make before.

Factor in the constant variability of the person doing the selection, and it becomes apparent there is no guaranteed method to obtaining an MM pick beyond making something everyone thought was impossible, while remaining fun and creative.

Apple2012
07-22-2012, 07:11 PM
Someone did tell me that trolls will never get Mm Picked, even if they made a good level.

bonner123
07-22-2012, 08:01 PM
That's not true at all. I won't name names, but several less than reputable people have gotten Mm picked. At the end of the day, it only matters if StevenI likes the level. The only restriction is that a level cannot contain copyrighted content (now at least).

DaSpoony
07-22-2012, 08:26 PM
but several less than reputable people have gotten Mm picked.

Frankly I'd say most of the 'less than reputable people' have received an Mm pick :/

Apple2012
07-22-2012, 09:02 PM
Another thing I know is that very few levels get Mm Picked, but over half of all the creators I know have been Mm Picked. This possibly means I know very few creators. Many people wish to get Mm Picked, but I know not everybody will get it.

Antikris
07-23-2012, 08:49 AM
Worrying about how to get an MM Pick is like worrying how to get a date and whether you are attractive enough. People who are too self-concious are less attractive. So stop giving a banana and just make great levels, alright?

Besides, what credentials does Mm have to be the Great Judge of ultimate creativity, let alone Steven himself? Your level getting a Pick means Mm liked it, not that it is a great, awesome level by some objective standard. Make nice stuff, share it, listen to what people have to say about it, learn from it and - most of all - enjoy it.

Apple2012
07-25-2012, 06:38 PM
Actually, I know that you can't get Mm Picked if Mm didn't play your levels. Do I need my level to be in the spotlight showcase in order for Mm to play? If yes, how do I get my level spotlighted?

warlord_evil
07-25-2012, 06:48 PM
Actually, I know that you can't get Mm Picked if Mm didn't play your levels. Do I need my level to be in the spotlight showcase in order for Mm to play? If yes, how do I get my level spotlighted?
It doesn't need to be spotlighted, they just need to know about your level and play it. :)

Gavin
07-25-2012, 06:50 PM
Start by posting it in the "Level Showcase" forum on this site- or the equivalent on others. There are threads in there that tell you how it works.

(on another note, at least if you're a complete ******* you can still get an Mm Pick)

-like warlord said it doesn't actually have to be spotlighted but if you're trying to get a level more plays or improve it further then posting it in the Level Showcase is a must for additional more-than-likely useful reviews (unlike somewhat hit and miss in-game reviews)

jwwphotos
07-25-2012, 09:26 PM
It doesn't need to be spotlighted, they just need to know about your level and play it. :)

Very true, but a good gauge of your level building prowess would be to start landing LBPC Spotlights with your levels. It isn't a requirement, but it is a great sign your are in the neighborhood so to speak. ;)

Apple2012
07-25-2012, 10:15 PM
So the only thing that really matters is that a level must be worked on very well and with great experience. It's not required to get Mm Picked to be a good creator, but it is required to get Mm Picked to get the pin... and I'm going after the pin.

fireblitz95
07-26-2012, 12:16 AM
Hey, I'm sure your a great creator. Who cares if Mm doesn't pick your levels, it only matters if you like it.

Besides if your just going for the fame, it's not worth it. Being popular isn't all it's cracked up to be, trust me...
You start getting haters and trolls, then people start to copy your psn ID to be stupid with it -_-

Now I'm just rambling about my personal experiences... Anyways my point is don't let Mm decide if your levels good or not.

Apple2012
07-26-2012, 01:20 AM
Hey, I'm sure your a great creator. Who cares if Mm doesn't pick your levels, it only matters if you like it.

Besides if your just going for the fame, it's not worth it. Being popular isn't all it's cracked up to be, trust me...
You start getting haters and trolls, then people start to copy your psn ID to be stupid with it -_-

Now I'm just rambling about my personal experiences... Anyways my point is don't let Mm decide if your levels good or not.

Mm isn't refusing to Mm pick me; they didn't even play my level. I tried to let StevenI know, but he rarely checks his comments, and he only looks at the recent ones. My goal is to get the pin.

You are right that getting popular will result in getting a lot of haters. LP10 had a lot of haters for copying, one creator had a few haters for making the level "Sackboy's Quest for Lucky Charms". I don't want any haters, but I already have a hater; someone is hating me because I'm defending a friend he's trying to bully. At least I'm not the only person who he hates; my hater hates everyone (I mentioned him a few times on my early posts from this site).

EDIT: Just in case if I get a lot of haters from my level, I disabled my profile comments.

OodlesofNoodles
07-26-2012, 02:49 AM
Have you published this level? Because I would like to see it.

Apple2012
07-26-2012, 03:07 AM
Have you published this level? Because I would like to see it.

I didn't make "Sackboy's Quest for Lucky Charms", but I made "Glow World".

ingenieus
07-26-2012, 03:48 AM
well for an mm pick its not a clear catigory since i think its steven that picks them so sometimes he might like certain levels and other days other typs so not too sure but if you notice and play he normally pics the same style of levels in general if you think of making a level by what he picks but be sure to create for fun and do what you like that should make it fun and other will enjoy keep that in mind =D create for fun and im sure mm picks willl come your way =D

SSTAGG1
07-26-2012, 11:59 AM
Afaik, if you want him to end up playing your level, you're going to need to get some references from other players who have some influence. People tweet/message levels that are worth playing. No doubt he get's tons of them, and he obviously can't get to them all.

In my opinion, and I hate to be harsh here, it's a futile pursuit. You're better off ignoring an intent to actually 'accomplish' something with your level, and just enjoy it simply for being something you've made. I forget the statistic, but there must be something like a few thousand levels published every day. Chances are there are levels worthy of picks in there, and they fairly reliably don't get selected. It's just how the system works.

Also, some levels don't get picked until well after they have been published. I seem to recall playing a level that had very few plays, and then returning to see it picked with several thousand.

I suppose I can't really stress enough that MM picks aren't something you 'expect' from a level. If you create with MM picks in mind, you're just going to corrupt your creativity and essentially ruin the slight chance you had.

You can still obviously improve a level to a point where it stands exceptional above the others, but that's through you're own personal ability and ideas.

Apple2012
07-26-2012, 03:02 PM
I suppose I can't really stress enough that MM picks aren't something you 'expect' from a level. If you create with MM picks in mind, you're just going to corrupt your creativity and essentially ruin the slight chance you had.

You can still obviously improve a level to a point where it stands exceptional above the others, but that's through you're own personal ability and ideas.

I get smarter level after level, but I get more serious. I'm only going for one level. I use my creativity on making levels while I'm going for the picks. I am a multi-task person.

Another problem I'm suffering is popularity. I'm one of those creators who hardly get any players. One of my friends has a lot more players than I do, and I played LBP2 longer than he has. So yeah, not only I haven't got Mm Picked yet, but nobody really wants to play my levels. If I want a lot of players to play my level and nobody wants to play my level, then I wasted my creativity for nothing. The Mm Picks is a different story. I say that not getting enough players is worse than not getting Mm Picked.

If Mm decides to stop giving out the pin for getting an Mm Pick, then there is no reason to get an Mm Pick. Same with the crown thing. If Mm decides to stop giving crowns away, then there's no reason to sign up for a contest. These two are not facts; they're my personal opinions.

Ali_Star
07-26-2012, 03:39 PM
You're waaaaaaaaaay too hung up on getting an MM pick IMO. You say "So yeah, not only I haven't got Mm Picked yet".... so? Neither have I, neither have loads more players, much better creators than me or you. You make it sound like not getting an MM pick is somehow a bad thing... like everyone has one and you're just missing out because of bad luck.

I don't think it's a matter of nobody wanting to play your level, did you even promote it? Do you have people on your friendlist who've played your level and enjoy it? This is a great way of getting plays. Someone on my friendlist was very influential in me getting an LBL pick (in that if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't have got it).

Apple2012
07-26-2012, 04:13 PM
You're waaaaaaaaaay too hung up on getting an MM pick IMO. You say "So yeah, not only I haven't got Mm Picked yet".... so? Neither have I, neither have loads more players, much better creators than me or you. You make it sound like not getting an MM pick is somehow a bad thing... like everyone has one and you're just missing out because of bad luck.

I don't think it's a matter of nobody wanting to play your level, did you even promote it? Do you have people on your friendlist who've played your level and enjoy it? This is a great way of getting plays. Someone on my friendlist was very influential in me getting an LBL pick (in that if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't have got it).

I'm not trying to say that "not getting Mm Picked is bad". You must have misjudged my post. All I meant is that it's okay to not be Mm Picked, but it's not okay to be unpopular. And I don't want to be unpopular. I even published a level a long time ago, and I expect it to be the most epic level I ever made, but it turned out to be the most un-epic level I ever made. I only had one unique player for three months. Nobody hearted that level, nobody yayed it, and nobody even played it after the first day. After three months, it had the same statistics, and I ended up deleting the level and all the sublevels linked to it. I made that just to get popular, but it never happened.

Ali_Star
07-26-2012, 05:52 PM
I'm not trying to say that "not getting Mm Picked is bad". You must have misjudged my post. All I meant is that it's okay to not be Mm Picked, but it's not okay to be unpopular. And I don't want to be unpopular. I even published a level a long time ago, and I expect it to be the most epic level I ever made, but it turned out to be the most un-epic level I ever made. I only had one unique player for three months. Nobody hearted that level, nobody yayed it, and nobody even played it after the first day. After three months, it had the same statistics, and I ended up deleting the level and all the sublevels linked to it. I made that just to get popular, but it never happened.

There's nothing wrong with obscurity. Enjoy it!

It's very hard to just publish a level and expect it to get played. You've only got 1 LBP2 level at the moment. You're not well known, so it won't get played much. If you want it to get more plays - promote it on all the fan sites. I'm gonna give your level a go later today, or not long after (have got it queued). Looking at the ratios of plays:hearts/yays - it's not bad, but not spectacular - you'd expect the ratios to go down as it gets more popular. My first instincts tell me that this is a good effort, but in order to get an MM pick or even a fansite pick, you need to move onto the next level!

Apple2012
07-26-2012, 07:42 PM
There's nothing wrong with obscurity. Enjoy it!

It's very hard to just publish a level and expect it to get played. You've only got 1 LBP2 level at the moment. You're not well known, so it won't get played much. If you want it to get more plays - promote it on all the fan sites. I'm gonna give your level a go later today, or not long after (have got it queued). Looking at the ratios of plays:hearts/yays - it's not bad, but not spectacular - you'd expect the ratios to go down as it gets more popular. My first instincts tell me that this is a good effort, but in order to get an MM pick or even a fansite pick, you need to move onto the next level!

Thanks for uploading that picture. I just fixed the problem. The reason why the elevator failed is because I was fixing another problem; the light bug.

Taffey
07-26-2012, 08:18 PM
All I meant is that it's okay to not be Mm Picked, but it's not okay to be unpopular. And I don't want to be unpopular. I even published a level a long time ago, and I expect it to be the most epic level I ever made, but it turned out to be the most un-epic level I ever made. I only had one unique player for three months. Nobody hearted that level, nobody yayed it, and nobody even played it after the first day.The need for recognition, interaction, and feedback is perfectly understandable. That is, after all, a large part of why everybody is here on this forum.

However, publishing a single level and waiting for people to play it is probably the very worst way to achieve that. I don't mean to downplay the hard work you undoubtedly put into the level, but the real game is all about promotion. You have to go out and earn those plays - they absolutely will not ever happen on their own.

The single best way to become more popular (..or known, or liked, or understood, or whatever goal you set for yourself) is to provide feedback for other people's levels. Go through the showcase, queue up some levels, play them like crazy, and leave as much feedback as you can. This will do many different things for you, including:

Thanks to the feedback-for-feedback (F4F) system here, you are guaranteed to get plays on your level this way. If you leave feedback for someone else and they don't check out your creation, give a heads-up to one of the site staff and we'll set things straight. :moody:
Playing lots of other levels with a critical eye will help you learn the things that work in a level and the things that don't. Don't like super hard platformers that kill you every 2 seconds? Now you know what not to do when working on your next level.
Leaving lots of feedback for others will teach you how to be concise with your thoughts and provide constructive criticism; when you receive it in turn you will understand more what the other person has done for you (or should be doing at least) and that will help you become a better creator. This whole thing is just one big never-ending learning process. It's fun!
All of this interaction will make you a lot better known with the people around the community. They'll know Apple2012 as that person who leaves all the great feedback on everyone's levels, and when it comes time for you to publish your next creation people will be that much more ready and willing to check it out for you.

Sorry if this post comes off as preachy, but the community is what it's all about. Go out and be part of it! You're doing a great job of it already, so keep it up and just enjoy the journey. :)

Apple2012
07-27-2012, 02:44 AM
I have to say that I now regret making this topic. It made others think I was expecting "Glow World" to be Mm Picked. Well I'm not expecting "Glow World" to be Mm Picked; I just want to at least get Mm Picked in the future. I created this topic to find out if I did blow my chances of being Mm Picked in the future because I felt like I was bugging Mm too much. I even sent an e-mail through the Mm site about it (in January). Did I really made others think I was expecting "Glow World" to be Mm Picked, or was I trying to learn if it's a privileged system? If it was the first one, I'm sorry for being so spoiled. If it was for further information about Mm Picks, then I probably have learned enough.

Sport_dude
07-27-2012, 04:45 AM
I know some creator that are really desperate of getting mm picks even though their level get loads of play. It's like if only being recognized by the community didn't worth anything and the only thing that matter is if the developers liked it. Some really good creator actually stop creating until their previous published level get mm picked!
I mean I hate when sometime in create mode my friend or my friend friends start saying things like : ''but what if it doesn't get Mm pick'' ''we should make that part better for Mm pick''.
I don't blame anyone desire of an mm pick or a crown, I myself wish I could get one of those one day but yet that didn't change me. What I'm trying to say is that people these days are only looking for fame ( not actually pointing this out to you ) for any reason whatsoever. Play, create, share and it ends there!

SSTAGG1
07-27-2012, 12:55 PM
I'm challenging myself to create a level that is better, in my opinion, than a picked level. I'm not really striving for a pick, but its a great benchmark to set your goals to. It's always easy to give up on something interesting in your level, but when you realize someone else didn't, so why are you.... it provides some encouragement to keep you going.

Ungreth
07-27-2012, 10:29 PM
I played a few of the recent Mm picks today and it seems StevenI has a distinct preference for straight up platformers in the Mm story level style. Run, jump, grab, swing, bounce, dodge hazards. Stick to that formula, and I'm sure you will greatly increase your chances of an Mm pick. Under no circumstances should you do what I do and produce grotesque, macabre and psychologically disturbing levels, since that's a sure fire way NOT to get Mm picked.

Sport_dude
07-28-2012, 12:16 AM
Under no circumstances should you do what I do and produce grotesque, macabre and psychologically disturbing levels, since that's a sure fire way NOT to get Mm picked.

No but you'll get a nice Mm ban :P.

Just kidding I actually loved that level.

Blackbeltnick95
07-29-2012, 12:44 AM
I'm challenging myself to create a level that is better, in my opinion, than a picked level. I'm not really striving for a pick, but its a great benchmark to set your goals to. It's always easy to give up on something interesting in your level, but when you realize someone else didn't, so why are you.... it provides some encouragement to keep you going.

That is what I'm doing with the rest of my levels. I don't even think about the mm pick as much. I just try to make a masterpeice and make sure it is 100% better than my last level. In this case with my movie, I am aiming for the 2012 sackie awards. I know it's a longshot, but it helps raise the bar.

Apple2012
07-29-2012, 12:55 AM
That is what I'm doing with the rest of my levels. I don't even think about the mm pick as much. I just try to make a masterpeice and make sure it is 100% better than my last level. In this case with my movie, I am aiming for the 2012 sackie awards. I know it's a longshot, but it helps raise the bar.

That's an even tougher goal, but good luck with that. I can help you by nominating your level for Sackies.

Now I'm not interested into getting a Sackie's award, but I would like the Mm Pick and the crown. To get the pick, StevenI should know about my level. To get the crown, well, I should wait for LBPC9 and when it comes, I should try hard.

OodlesofNoodles
07-29-2012, 02:01 AM
I played "Glow World" and it's definately worth an MM Pick. I think it's better than some MM picked levels because it was actually fun, there are so many boring MM Picks out there. He did use the classic platformer formula, so mathmatically it should get an MM Pick.

Sport_dude
07-29-2012, 04:20 AM
mathmatically it should get an MM Pick.
You can't mathmatically know that because you don't know what's inside StevenIsbell head.
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Ali_Star
07-29-2012, 11:40 AM
I played "Glow World" and it's definately worth an MM Pick. I think it's better than some MM picked levels because it was actually fun, there are so many boring MM Picks out there. He did use the classic platformer formula, so mathmatically it should get an MM Pick.

Can I interject here?

I played Glow World and it was definitely NOT worth an MM pick. If this was picked, it would get a lot of grief. I'm not trying to be mean to Apple here, it was a decent level, but if he wants an MM pick, it's going to have to be on a whole new level (pun intended).
Personally, I don't like comments like yours (same with your review on his level). There are people that write these reviews on any half decent level saying it should be MM picked.... when they definitely shouldn't. It's happened on my last 2 levels, and they're nowhere near good enough to be picked.
If you did want Apple to get a pick, instead of telling him that his last level was good enough for a pick (which it wasn't, sorry), you should be telling him what aspects of his design/gameplay he needs to work on in order to get one. For example, I found that the length of the level was an issue, as was the pacing. After I had that bug which I mentioned to Apple, I didn't feel the need to go back and do it all again. The idea of using the lighting was good, but could have been better utilized.

Kalawishis
07-29-2012, 12:16 PM
He did use the classic platformer formula, so mathmatically it should get an MM Pick.
That is probably one of the most depressing things I've ever read.

I played Glow World and it was definitely NOT worth an MM pick.
I'm sorry, but nothing is "worth a Mm pick". That is like saying your level is worthy of StevenI liking it, which is quite ridiculous. On a similar note, I think it is weird how some people want Mm picks, or strive to make "Mm pick worthy" levels. An Mm pick is not really honorable or an accolade of some sort. An Mm pick means that a guy who works for Mm liked your level, and as well as yaying it, gives it a pink ribbon. "Pick worthy", and "should be a Mm pick" are nonsensical phrases. Should you get an Mm pick, that does not mean your level is great, but rather some guy liked it and happened to be Spaff or StevenI. It shows. You can't really describe the quality of the Mm picks, because the closest thing to a description would be "all over the place".

The quality, I think, used to be much more consistent in the LBP2 picks under Spaff, but the picks came erratically, sometimes with weeks-long gaps between picks. Under StevenI, the picks were constant and regular, but the quality became erratic. So Spaff: Consistent quality, erratic picking. StevenI: Erratic quality, Consistent picking. This could be seen as Spaff picking quality over quantity and StevenI picking quantity over quality. Personally, I prefer Spaff (Ha! take that, StevenI zealots!), because "quality over quantity", and I would actually prefer levels being consistently awesome than consistently consistent. I would prefer to think, "some totally awesome levels are coming eventually", than "some levels whoose quality cannot be determined but are probably pretty good are coming next Friday".

But that's just my 2 cents.

Apple2012
07-29-2012, 05:29 PM
Can I interject here?

I played Glow World and it was definitely NOT worth an MM pick. If this was picked, it would get a lot of grief. I'm not trying to be mean to Apple here, it was a decent level, but if he wants an MM pick, it's going to have to be on a whole new level (pun intended).
Personally, I don't like comments like yours (same with your review on his level). There are people that write these reviews on any half decent level saying it should be MM picked.... when they definitely shouldn't. It's happened on my last 2 levels, and they're nowhere near good enough to be picked.
If you did want Apple to get a pick, instead of telling him that his last level was good enough for a pick (which it wasn't, sorry), you should be telling him what aspects of his design/gameplay he needs to work on in order to get one. For example, I found that the length of the level was an issue, as was the pacing. After I had that bug which I mentioned to Apple, I didn't feel the need to go back and do it all again. The idea of using the lighting was good, but could have been better utilized.

I fixed the bug, but you don't have to play again. Before you experienced that bug, there was another bug. If you die after re-spawning through the same checkpoint, the light stops working.

@Kalawishis: You seem to be cynical about Mm Picks now. It's true that StevenI was picking the less "mm pick worthy" levels, but he made Mm Picking easier. People would always want to be Mm Picked, but it's too hard if Spaff did the picks. He only picks once every two to three weeks, and they have to meet the maximum standards. Now since StevenI does the picks, it made Mm Picking easier. He picks only five levels per week, and have to at least meet the minimum standards: Fun to play, no copyrighted content, and not copied/copyable. I'd rather have StevenI do the picks.

SSTAGG1
07-29-2012, 07:02 PM
It's true that StevenI was picking the less "mm pick worthy" levels, but he made Mm Picking easier. People would always want to be Mm Picked, but it's too hard if Spaff did the picks. He only picks once every two to three weeks, and they have to meet the maximum standards. Now since StevenI does the picks, it made Mm Picking easier. He picks only five levels per week, and have to at least meet the minimum standards: Fun to play, no copyrighted content, and not copied/copyable. I'd rather have StevenI do the picks.
This defeats the purpose and intent of the MM picks IMO. I look to them to see the absolute epitome of lbp creation. Now, they're just fun levels, and I can find those everywhere in the level showcase and spotlights. I don't particularily mind the change, but they've become more of a 'good levels' section than the MM picks I remember.

Seems like you've gotten the gist of what it takes to be picked, though a level could also be picked if it showcases something that has never been done before.

Kalawishis
07-30-2012, 12:07 AM
@Kalawishis: You seem to be cynical about Mm Picks now. It's true that StevenI was picking the less "mm pick worthy" levels, but he made Mm Picking easier. People would always want to be Mm Picked, but it's too hard if Spaff did the picks. He only picks once every two to three weeks, and they have to meet the maximum standards. Now since StevenI does the picks, it made Mm Picking easier. He picks only five levels per week, and have to at least meet the minimum standards: Fun to play, no copyrighted content, and not copied/copyable. I'd rather have StevenI do the picks.

Cynical? Moi?


This defeats the purpose and intent of the MM picks IMO. I look to them to see the absolute epitome of lbp creation.

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1. But Mm Picks what Mm likes! They don't have to be the best levels in the world!
2. lol mm pks just hav to be fun is all
3. It's not like they have to all be amazing. StevenI just has to like them!
4. Your expectations are way too high! You should play more crap and maybe you'll appreciate the pick more!
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10. (Lone comment agreeing with you.)

Just my penny.

Apple2012
07-30-2012, 12:30 AM
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1. But Mm Picks what Mm likes! They don't have to be the best levels in the world!
2. lol mm pks just hav to be fun is all
3. It's not like they have to all be amazing. StevenI just has to like them!
4. Your expectations are way too high! You should play more crap and maybe you'll appreciate the pick more!
5. So you want the Mm picks to be super erratic and have 1 come every month? I know you never said that, but I'm assuming you think that!
6. Wow, your a t**t. Get out of here. I hop you get banned, you a**. You're a really rude person.
7. lol I'm going to derail this thread because I can't tolerate people disagreeing. BATMAN LLAMAS CUSTARD PIE!
8. Mm picks what Mm likes! Mm pick what Mm likes! Mm pick what Mm likes! Mm pick what Mm likes! Mm pick what Mm likes! Mm pick what Mm likes! Mm pick what Mm likes! Mm picks what Mm likes! Mm pick what Mm likes! Mm pick what Mm likes! Mm pick what Mm likes! Mm pick what Mm likes! Mm pick what Mm likes! Mm pick what Mm likes! Mm picks what Mm likes! Mm pick what Mm likes! Mm pick what Mm likes! Mm pick what Mm likes! Mm pick what Mm likes! Mm pick what Mm likes! Mm pick what Mm likes! GOD **** IT MM PICKS WHAT MM LIKES!
9. But Mm picks what Mm likes! I know that's been said a lot before, but repetition is catchy.
10. (Lone comment agreeing with you.)

I think the comments you predicted are more unlikely going to happen. LBPC is a peaceful site and they rarely get board wars. I hope LBPC does not have any board wars like TV.com, Gamespot, or those Total Drama Island forums (which they get a lot of opinion wars).

I'm going to say that since you started the Mm Picks thread five months ago, I'm permanently giving you the reputation of starting that large thread.

Kalawishis
07-30-2012, 01:11 AM
I think the comments you predicted are more unlikely going to happen. LBPC is a peaceful site and they rarely get board wars.
Well, they do happen. I think you should remember how your thread, Differences between the U.S. and U.K., eventually became two people arguing about God and a mod had to close it. I also remember the Creator's Elite thread getting a lot of derision simply because two people didn't like the word elite and didn't know when to quit. And of course, Mm picks starting to go downhill. I think that really you just have to post some controversial idea (don't like Mm picks, pay for certain levels, platformers are overrated, Mm is incompetent in bug fixing), and chances are, somebody's going to get mad at you.
Not to say disagreement is a bad thing. Rather, it's probably one of the most beneficial things on a forum if it's civilized. Some people just treat disagreement or debate like it's the anti-Christ and then post something like "STOP HATING! Grow up! My god, you're all not agreeing with each other!", or just derail the thread, which is honestly really rude in my opinion.
I release I may be derailing this thread; originally about Mm pick restrictions, to Mm pick method. Sorry about that. For all those infused with LBP fury, may I suggest this Planetarium topic:
http://www.littlebigplanetarium.com/topic/4867-little-big-planet-game-state-analysis/page__gopid__52360#entry52360

SSTAGG1
07-30-2012, 01:32 AM
On a more serious note though, there is no official quality scale for the MmPicks.
Obviously we do like to ensure that the levels are of a decent quality but above all, they must be fun to play.

Found in a thread from a few months back. http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?68955-Mm-Picks-starting-to-go-downhill&p=989498&viewfull=1#post989498. The one just mentioned a few posts back.

I'm fine with the new method, though the newer picks aren't really worth setting goals to beat. Fun, sure, but to be picked, mostly luck and circumstance.

Apple2012
07-30-2012, 01:36 AM
Well, they do happen. I think you should remember how your thread, Differences between the U.S. and U.K., eventually became two people arguing about God and a mod had to close it. I also remember the Creator's Elite thread getting a lot of derision simply because two people didn't like the word elite and didn't know when to quit. And of course, Mm picks starting to go downhill. I think that really you just have to post some controversial idea (don't like Mm picks, pay for certain levels, platformers are overrated, Mm is incompetent in bug fixing), and chances are, somebody's going to get mad at you.
Not to say disagreement is a bad thing. Rather, it's probably one of the most beneficial things on a forum if it's civilized. Some people just treat disagreement or debate like it's the anti-Christ and then post something like "STOP HATING! Grow up! My god, you're all not agreeing with each other!", or just derail the thread, which is honestly really rude in my opinion.
I release I may be derailing this thread; originally about Mm pick restrictions, to Mm pick method. Sorry about that. For all those infused with LBP fury, may I suggest this Planetarium topic:
http://www.littlebigplanetarium.com/topic/4867-little-big-planet-game-state-analysis/page__gopid__52360#entry52360

I saw that you post that link to your topic in the topic you're linking us to. Yes. LBPC does get forum wars, but it's not as bad as the Spongebob and Avatar forums from TV.com. Over there, they fight everyday. Over here, we have arguments that go out of control once a month. We both started some bad topics that gone overboard. For the controversial ideas you pointed out, I'm not all about that. I join in those topics because of what kind of person I am; some guy who likes to track down controversies. I even created another topic like your Mm Picks thread on the Media forum, but it's only on TV shows and channels.

@SSTAGG1: The new method works better.

SSTAGG1
07-30-2012, 02:00 AM
@SSTAGG1: The new method works better.
For most, yeah, I imagine this is the response.

To me though, a MM pick isn't as impressive anymore. If I were to get one, it would come with the knowledge that it came in a time when the requirements for selected were much more lax. Still an achievement, of course, yet not the one I had initially strove for.

Rogar
07-30-2012, 12:30 PM
1. But Mm Picks what Mm likes!
5. So you want the Mm picks to be super erratic and have 1 come every month? I know you never said that, but I'm assuming you think that realise that a quality requirement implies that when there are no levels meeting that requirement, there will be no Picks!

Since you already brought these up (I added a tiny clarification though ;) ), I'll just say thanks and won't pursue it further.

OodlesofNoodles
07-31-2012, 10:00 PM
Who the heck is Stevenl? lol

Apple2012
07-31-2012, 10:03 PM
Who the heck is Stevenl? lol

StevenI is the community coordinator for LBP2. He is the guy who does the Mm Picks, and he usually goes here to post any news for LBP2.

L1N3R1D3R
07-31-2012, 10:29 PM
I'M GUNA BEG STEEVENII TOO MMM PIK MAI LVL!



...no, I won't. I'll advertise my level on all the forums to get plays and popularity, but not expecting an MM pick. That way if I don't get an MM pick, it will be more like "Oh well." rather than "ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!?!?!?", and if I do, it will be more like "Whoah. I got an MM Pick? Yes!!!" rather than "It's about TIME I got an MM pick."

Apple2012
07-31-2012, 10:36 PM
I'M GUNA BEG STEEVENII TOO MMM PIK MAI LVL!



...no, I won't. I'll advertise my level on all the forums to get plays and popularity, but not expecting an MM pick. That way if I don't get an MM pick, it will be more like "Oh well." rather than "ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!?!?!?", and if I do, it will be more like "Whoah. I got an MM Pick? Yes!!!" rather than "It's about TIME I got an MM pick."

If I was the guy who does the picks, then I will only pick the ones that have great detail and a lot of effort, not if I like it.

However, it's more likely NOT going to happen. I don't feel mature enough to Mm Pick levels. I'm not even mature enough to drive. I'm 19, but I am mentally incapable of driving.

Kalawishis
08-01-2012, 02:25 AM
If I was the guy who does the picks, then I will only pick the ones that have great detail and a lot of effort, not if I like it.
But you're meant to pick what you like! Detail and effort don't matter! It's your PERSONAL OPINION that counts!

1. But Mm Picks what Mm likes!
5. So you want the Mm picks to be super erratic and have 1 come every month? I know you never said that, but I'm assuming you think that realise that a quality requirement implies that when there are no levels meeting that requirement, there will be no Picks!
And while we're on the theme:
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy."
That was by MLK!

Apple2012
08-04-2012, 01:58 PM
I actually have to say that I improved my creation skills level after level. If you want to know how I made Glow World, I used a backseat controllinator on a piece of sticker panel that follows you. I also used seven other pieces of sticker panel with one light per piece, and all the lights are in different colors. I've been inspired by the Move-My-Sackboy contest levels. The player isn't using a movinator, but you can see (and use) a movinator cursor. I wanted to know how to make these, but now I know. They used a backseat movinator. So if they can use a backseat movinator to get a free movinator cursor, then I can use a backseat controllinator to create light.

There's more about how I came with the ideas for my level.

Taffey
08-04-2012, 03:20 PM
Looks like we might be getting a little off-topic here... Let's try to keep things a little closer to the subject of getting Mm picked. :)

Apple2012
08-04-2012, 03:32 PM
Looks like we might be getting a little off-topic here... Let's try to keep things a little closer to the subject of getting Mm picked. :)

That has been common on most topics, especially big ones, but I'll get back.

So far, there are no restrictions where someone will never ever get Mm Picked no matter what (even if they create multiple accounts to get the pick). However, I do think people who are part of actual hate groups or people who made levels talking about Mm Picks or how to get Mm Picked should never get Mm Picked. I'm not saying that it's bad to make a level on Mm Picks, but most levels talking about how to get Mm Picked lie about Mm Picks. I played one level which was actually a video talking about how to get Mm Picked, which was WAY off track and seems more of a red herring about British people. There was another level I played, which contained slanders about Mm Picks. One example was that you will never get Mm Picked if you live in the US (I misquoted what was really said, but the sackbot says that if you publish and American level, it's "less likely not impossible" to get Mm Picked). It sounds like Mm doesn't like American levels, but whoever made that level is lying. Mm doesn't care about nationality. They only care if the level is fun enough. So that's why you should never make a level about Mm Picks or how to get Mm Picked.

OodlesofNoodles
08-06-2012, 05:38 PM
Sometimes it takes forever for you to get picked... A very recent pick had reviews that boo'd it, and we haven't been able to boo in months.
So don't worry, it may take a while.

JKY
08-07-2012, 12:55 AM
well it seems that the copy right restrictions dont apply either there is an MM pic that clearly has copy righted music in it

so what is the actual requirement that it be fun then once it is fun how do you make it so MM can see it

http://lbp.me/v/1defct

Thank you for music:FINAL FANTASY V -Clash on the Big Bridge- by BANANAASH,FINAL FANTASY VI -The Decisive Batlle- by M-A-K-U

FINAL FANTASY is copy righted anything used from there is in violation

Ungreth
08-07-2012, 02:55 AM
well it seems that the copy right restrictions dont apply either there is an MM pic that clearly has copy righted music in it

so what is the actual requirement that it be fun then once it is fun how do you make it so MM can see it

http://lbp.me/v/1defct

Thank you for music:FINAL FANTASY V -Clash on the Big Bridge- by BANANAASH,FINAL FANTASY VI -The Decisive Batlle- by M-A-K-U

FINAL FANTASY is copy righted anything used from there is in violation

I think when Mm secured the licence to release a Final Fantasy costume pack, Square Enix were pretty much giving their consent to FF themed levels being published in LBP

Apple2012
08-07-2012, 03:00 AM
Ungreth is right. Any level that contains content related to anything but LBP will be picked if it only contains content provided by the DLCs. Final Fantasy is provided by DLCs, so yes. Any levels with content based on anything but LBP or the DLCs will never be picked.

JKY
08-07-2012, 05:59 AM
ok i stand corected i forgot about the FF DLC

Scarface
08-15-2012, 11:22 AM
I'm very confused about the "copyright" rule....

This Jurassic Park level has been Mm picked.. http://lbp.me/v/7gfv-h

There is no Jurassic Park DLC content that has been released... so I'm confused about the copyright restriction rule. The creator mentions in the description that, "All JP logos not from external sources and created within LBP".

So it makes me think that the rule could mean, "Don't take pictures of copyrighted material with your PS-eye camera, and use them in your level"

There are also Star wars, Batman, Mario, and Pac-man levels, all of which, have been Mm picked. So I have a feeling that using another Intellectual Property, that isn't related to LBP, is still OK, and could still get Mm picked.

Also I imagine, recording sounds / music with your mic would also be a big "no no".


*EDIT* - I've just seen this thread from StevenI http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?69333-Mm-Picks-and-Copyright&highlight=copyright

Which makes it clear that copying an IP is ok, if it's owned by SCE.

-Jamie

Taffey
08-15-2012, 06:56 PM
*EDIT* - I've just seen this thread from StevenI http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?69333-Mm-Picks-and-Copyright&highlight=copyright

Which makes it clear that copying an IP is ok, if it's owned by SCE.Not necessarily. Keep in mind also that the Jurassic Park level in question was Mm picked prior to the official announcement, meaning it is grandfathered in despite its use of that particular IP.

Apple2012
08-19-2012, 01:51 AM
Now it wasn't so long ago, but I didn't want to mention it at that time. Steven has already played my level, and here's the outcome...

No yay. I think there is something wrong with the level, or it could be that I'm obsessed with Mm Picks. If there is something wrong with the level, it could be that there's still a bug in the level or features were repetitive, such as stairs popping out of the wall or that one data bridge in the red chamber. If it's because the controls are complicated, well, I'm already working on the next level, and controls are going to be really complicated. In my next level, you have to hold down the L1 button while using the motion controller to find hidden clues. I don't know if I can take care of the repetitive parts, but I can try again. And maybe I should make a variation of Glow World, but make it two to four players. The reason why it's for one player is because nobody could program the controlinator on receiver to match the player by player number (i.e. controlled by player 2). The idea is unique, but some of my create flaws (monotomy) was used.

Lbphart3
08-19-2012, 06:41 AM
Hay apple i just played your level to see if i could spot some problems..lol There nothing wrong with it i died a few times..There was some chambers that i couldint see the dangers but i loved it..I could see it haveing a Good chance at being picked.

I did suggest tho it would be cool if you could add some decor..I was only suggesting so pleas dont get mad i like it either way...You did a great job and hope he picks it.:)

Apple2012
08-19-2012, 04:50 PM
Hay apple i just played your level to see if i could spot some problems..lol There nothing wrong with it i died a few times..There was some chambers that i couldint see the dangers but i loved it..I could see it haveing a Good chance at being picked.

I did suggest tho it would be cool if you could add some decor..I was only suggesting so pleas dont get mad i like it either way...You did a great job and hope he picks it.:)

StevenI has already played that level. He didn't yay it. This means it won't get Mm Picked, but I do think "Glow World" is the best of the honor of my levels. It didn't have as much players as "Hall of Death", but it has more yays. The density of yays is higher. I am going to try again, but this time, make another level. This is a key factor: Steven has to like your level in order to get it Mm Picked.

Lbphart3
08-20-2012, 03:00 AM
Awwe so theres no chance he will re-play it?..Oh i didin't know he had to yay your level for it to be picked...Hes never played my levels that i know of lol.

Sport_dude
08-20-2012, 04:33 AM
StevenI yays loads of levels but that doesn't mean they are going to be picked.

Some posts are off-topic thus, it's starting to look like a level advertisement.
I'm sure he already made a thread in the level showcase where you can drop your feedbacks.

Oh, if I had anything to say about the ''Mm picks restrictions'' well... There's isn't any unless it's copied crap ( just put all the effort you got in the levels you create and have fun doing it ).
If your more likely looking for fame, go kiss a celebrity or something, lbp isn't the right place ;)

Apple2012
08-20-2012, 05:28 AM
StevenI yays loads of levels but that doesn't mean they are going to be picked.

Some posts are off-topic thus, it's starting to look like a level advertisement.
I'm sure he already made a thread in the level showcase where you can drop your feedbacks.

Oh, if I had anything to say about the ''Mm picks restrictions'' well... There's isn't any unless it's copied crap ( just put all the effort you got in the levels you create and have fun doing it ).
If your more likely looking for fame, go kiss a celebrity or something, lbp isn't the right place ;)

You're right. After a few posts, we have turned this thread from a guide on Mm Picks into an advertisement thread. StevenI even played my level after reading this topic. But let's get back on track.

We know only three restrictions, but here's all of the possible rules:

No copyrighted content
Mm must like the level. Normally, they are going after what's fun enough to play, high quality, good detail, or all three things I listed in this line.
Level must be made by YOU. Not copied or copyable.
Note on Bomb survivals - even if they are high quality for an Mm Pick, and not copyable, bomb survivals will never get picked.
Levels about how to get Mm Picked - slanderous. I don't think people who make these kind of levels should even get Mm Picked.
No H4H or P4P. That's not only spam, but it shows how desperate you are.
Note on noobs and trolls - noobs shouldn't be restricted from being Mm Picked. Noob doesn't mean they're bad at level making. It means they aren't experienced to use the internet. You can have less than a hundred hearts before getting the pick. Trolls would get more grief if they were picked, so it's best not to pick them for their safety.

So technically, there's actually no circumstance where you will never get picked. I started this thread because I feel like I blew it for obsessing about the picks.

StevenI
08-20-2012, 12:01 PM
I'm just going to reiterate one small point.
The issue regarding copyright *may* prevent you from getting an Mm Pick.

It's not an absolute and some copyright holders will have no issues with such materials being featured.
However as a general rule we try to play it as safe as possible and obviously have to uphold any requests to not feature certain material, should we receive them.

This does not mean that ALL copyrighted material is outright banned.
If this were the case, then we wouldn't be allowing it onto the LittleBigPlanet server in the first place. :)

Ultimately it's just a judgement call that I have to make when selecting the Mm Picks based on my own personal knowledge of what we can and cannot feature in-game.

So if the occassional recognisable item gets featured, it's likely due to the fact that I did not recognise it as copyrighted or we have received no such requests not to feature it.

Apple2012
08-21-2012, 03:24 AM
I'm just going to reiterate one small point.
The issue regarding copyright *may* prevent you from getting an Mm Pick.

It's not an absolute and some copyright holders will have no issues with such materials being featured.
However as a general rule we try to play it as safe as possible and obviously have to uphold any requests to not feature certain material, should we receive them.

This does not mean that ALL copyrighted material is outright banned.
If this were the case, then we wouldn't be allowing it onto the LittleBigPlanet server in the first place. :)

Ultimately it's just a judgement call that I have to make when selecting the Mm Picks based on my own personal knowledge of what we can and cannot feature in-game.

So if the occassional recognisable item gets featured, it's likely due to the fact that I did not recognise it as copyrighted or we have received no such requests not to feature it.

Now I get it. Not all copyrighted material is unacceptable. It's the more noticeable ones like South Park, Spongebob etc.

And is there anything wrong with Glow World?

SSTAGG1
08-21-2012, 03:42 AM
And is there anything wrong with Glow World?
... just give it a break, please?

He didn't find the level amazing. I'm sure if he played every level, he wouldn't find many of them amazing either.

All of your own level's discussion shouldn't be taking place here. If you wanted an opinion, ask people to review your level with a level thread or messages, not this forum section.

Now that you've posted it here though, this is what I think from just the first few seconds' impression:
- Level icon is a little bland. Letters could have more contrast, and a more exciting background than just blue. Also incorporate something related to the idea of 'glowing'
- The level title could use some work. Glow does not flow very well into World due to the 2 w's together. It's just awkward to say/think.
- The level info is descriptive, but does nothing to excite the player. It's so concise it could actually be hurting the level.
- The visuals are fairly bland (compared to other picked levels of somewhat similar style). Decorations and more colours could really help.

I haven't even played the level, but already I've reached all these opinions about it. These first impressions are quite important, since they set the mood of the player for when they actually start playing it.

Apple2012
08-21-2012, 04:49 AM
... just give it a break, please?

He didn't find the level amazing. I'm sure if he played every level, he wouldn't find many of them amazing either.

All of your own level's discussion shouldn't be taking place here. If you wanted an opinion, ask people to review your level with a level thread or messages, not this forum section.

Now that you've posted it here though, this is what I think from just the first few seconds' impression:
- Level icon is a little bland. Letters could have more contrast, and a more exciting background than just blue. Also incorporate something related to the idea of 'glowing'
- The level title could use some work. Glow does not flow very well into World due to the 2 w's together. It's just awkward to say/think.
- The level info is descriptive, but does nothing to excite the player. It's so concise it could actually be hurting the level.
- The visuals are fairly bland (compared to other picked levels of somewhat similar style). Decorations and more colours could really help.

I haven't even played the level, but already I've reached all these opinions about it. These first impressions are quite important, since they set the mood of the player for when they actually start playing it.

I'll watch out next time. And just looking back at some previous posts, I brought up Glow World because that's the one I made to either get Mm Picked or to get on track of getting Mm Picked.

Now I think we are done with talking about Glow World, but can we continue talking about the restrictions?

I also wonder if there were restrictions back when Spaff and Tom did the picks.

SSTAGG1
08-21-2012, 02:44 PM
I'm just going to reiterate one small point.
The issue regarding copyright *may* prevent you from getting an Mm Pick.

It's not an absolute and some copyright holders will have no issues with such materials being featured.
However as a general rule we try to play it as safe as possible and obviously have to uphold any requests to not feature certain material, should we receive them.

This does not mean that ALL copyrighted material is outright banned.
If this were the case, then we wouldn't be allowing it onto the LittleBigPlanet server in the first place. :)

Ultimately it's just a judgement call that I have to make when selecting the Mm Picks based on my own personal knowledge of what we can and cannot feature in-game.

So if the occassional recognisable item gets featured, it's likely due to the fact that I did not recognise it as copyrighted or we have received no such requests not to feature it.


Now I think we are done with talking about Glow World, but can we continue talking about the restrictions?

I also wonder if there were restrictions back when Spaff and Tom did the picks.
There you go. As already mentioned, the only reason (or one of them at least) they stopped featuring copyrighted material is because the owners of the material explicitly asked that MM stop openly featuring their things.

I'm fairly certain 'Ultimately' is used to indicate finality, with the goal here to end discussion... "wink-wink*nudge-nudge*
No need to continue this long after its goal has been reached.

Lady_Luck__777
08-21-2012, 02:52 PM
There you go. As already mentioned, the only reason (or one of them at least) they stopped featuring copyrighted material is because the owners of the material explicitly asked that MM stop openly featuring their things.

I'm fairly certain 'Ultimately' is used to indicate finality, with the goal here to end discussion... "wink-wink*nudge-nudge*
No need to continue this long after its goal has been reached.

I have to agree. The original topic of this thread has been addressed.
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