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Alex-Raven
08-11-2013, 07:48 PM
Now I'm not gonna start theorizing just to make a basic idea into a 8000 word essay, especially because this might have been discussed in other posts countless amount of times (I say might have, cause I can't search on forums to save my life). I can understand keeping the MM picked category reserved for true works of art or creative breakthroughs, back when the game was fresh, but not now. The Cool page is a disaster (for obvious reasons), searching trough recently published is a complete nightmare because I don't discriminate against levels without a detailed description or good screenshots, therefore I end up wasting my time loading copied/didn't-even-try levels. Everything else pretty much falls into the hangout/survival/pathetically boring horror category that becomes an instant hit among the kids. Don't you guys think the team should start picking more?

Btw, I'm not saying I don't know how to search for good levels, I find it quite easy actually, but it's clear that most would not go to such lengths (forums, searching on earths and using text search and filters properly)

I should mention that I'm new here (just recently got back into LBP2, after a year), so maybe some of you know more about what's happening at Media Molecule. Is it really that hard for them to promote the people who are keeping the game alive, or do you think picking more would not benefit the community?

Rpg Maker
08-11-2013, 08:40 PM
Its one of those topics that has been created thousands of times before and I do not remember any of them going so well. To be fair, MM picks are a lot more frequent than they were when LBP2 debuted, so I am not complaining or advise anyone on doing so.

The term MM picks is a bit ironic because MM is no longer working on Littlebigplanet. A company called Tasier now develops for Littlebigplanet. My best advise is to stay on LBP fansites and find cool levels. There are especially tons of cool levels on these forums and some of the MM picked stages are still interesting.

If you ask me, if there is anything being done on LBP, it will be presented in LBP3. I dont think they are going to tweak LBP2 much more than they already have.

Lord-Dreamerz
08-11-2013, 09:10 PM
We don't need more MM picks. We get around 3 every week now. And half the ones we do get, are not very fun levels as it is. And more won't help.

LBP2 is old. People's interest in general for it is low nowadays.

Best bet is to hope LBP3 isn't to far away. Which would renew people's interest for about another 2 or 3 years. *mew

Alex-Raven
08-12-2013, 06:31 PM
My best advise is to stay on LBP fansites and find cool levels. There are especially tons of cool levels on these forums and some of the MM picked stages are still interesting.

Did I not mention that I personally have no trouble finding good levels? This isn't about me, it's about motivating creators and the idea of putting good creations out there for all to see, whether it's a kid that doesn't know what a forum is, or some 25 year old that loves the game but doesn't have enough time to look around fan sites for a quick 10 minute play-session.

As for LBP3, it's very likely that it will be a next-gen title, meaning it will require a new console, a new game, and a lot of time until it's released, not to mention the amount of time it will take to have as many people on board, meanwhile LBP2 is here and it's going to waste. Besides, it's just an idea on which we can discuss, I'm not implying we should start signing petitions.

Apple2012
08-12-2013, 06:38 PM
I had a goal where I could get Mm Picked, but now, I am no longer interested into getting Mm Picked. There's a lot for me to do out in the world.

I agree with fumetsusozo. With less interest into LBP2, they have less interest into getting high achievements. I don't think we need more Mm Picks a week now. Not only that, but people are already complaining about Mm Picks quality dropping.

Alex-Raven
08-12-2013, 07:15 PM
We don't need more MM picks. We get around 3 every week now. And half the ones we do get, are not very fun levels as it is. And more won't help.

Well, I have to completely disagree. 3 every week is not nearly enough, considering the average player goes through a level in less than 20 minutes. An hour worth of good levels in a week for those more interested in playing than creating is ridiculous (especially because it's hard to find good levels INSIDE the game itself, without relying on fan sites and forums -> something that understandably not everyone is interested in doing)

The fact that you personally don't find half of them fun to play is also a reason why more picks should be better. Everyone has preferences, some like platformers, others like experimental works, but at their core, all of them are good, so a large variety would satisfy a larger demographic.


LBP2 is old. People's interest in general for it is low nowadays.

Best bet is to hope LBP3 isn't to far away. Which would renew people's interest for about another 2 or 3 years. *mew

Being old is irrelevant, especially for a game such as LBP. The community is what makes it appealing or not for outsiders, and the community clearly has some marketing issues if even veterans such as yourself hope for a 2 - 3 year interest lifespan in a future installment.

jwwphotos
08-12-2013, 09:10 PM
I dunno.. 3 seems to be quite a good number. Especially considering when it was in the Spaff days, he might not make a pick for many many months even though there were some obvious picks out there. (..and please bare in mind it was only because he was so busy!!) I guess what I would hate to see is Mm attempting to fill a quota rather than picking some really cool, innovative, and fun levels. Even making 3 at times my be a stretch. I also know StevenI is pretty busy, so I don't know if more picks might always equate to better selections.

Keep in mind we still have our LBPC Community Spotlight every two weeks which usually contains quite a few awesome levels that our spotlight team has chosen for us.

Tynz21
08-13-2013, 01:14 AM
They don't necessarily need more mm picks. What they need is diversity. MM picks are extremely biased towards classical platformers it seems to me. Why does yu kamone need 6 mm picks? Not that they aren't great levels but they bring nothing new to through table. The Same creators are picked time and time again. And I also think some sort of categorization would be good, then you could easily sort through the picks and get what you want. Then they could just pick a story driven level, a mini games etc. Every week instead of the usual mashup of platformers we get. Even if they had tiered mm picks, so that some were better than others...

I may have just typed a jumble of random thoughts there, but the key is diversity.

Alex-Raven
08-13-2013, 02:09 AM
I've noticed some creators get very touchy when discussing about MM picks (not necessarily in this thread) , It's not like winning an award guys, it's just a simple spotlight position a creator gets for his work, and I'm saying more picks would be good at motivating all creators to be active. It shouldn't be this "You've been chosen by the Gods" trophy that everybody fights for, especially this late in the game...

But anyway, this is not a raise awareness attempt, hold your pitchforks and torches, it's just an idea we can discuss on, and I'm shocked to see some people say "no, we don't need more". It's like saying "No, you must be special, besides working hard on something that's essentially just as good as what others have worked on!".

Note: I'm not even a serious creator, so this isn't some idea coming out of my personal frustrations.

Rpg Maker
08-13-2013, 06:25 PM
I've noticed some creators get very touchy when discussing about MM picks (not necessarily in this thread) , It's not like winning an award guys, it's just a simple spotlight position a creator gets for his work, and I'm saying more picks would be good at motivating all creators to be active. It shouldn't be this "You've been chosen by the Gods" trophy that everybody fights for, especially this late in the game...

But anyway, this is not a raise awareness attempt, hold your pitchforks and torches, it's just an idea we can discuss on, and I'm shocked to see some people say "no, we don't need more". It's like saying "No, you must be special, besides working hard on something that's essentially just as good as what others have worked on!".

Note: I'm not even a serious creator, so this isn't some idea coming out of my personal frustrations.

If anything you are handing people the pitchforks. You say its not a raise awareness attempt, but on the surface it really it is. This is no different than the dozens of MM picked threads that have been created before-and as a result generates reactions I tried to warn you about.

All I see in these threads are "oh this MM picked level isnt that great" or MM picked stages need more variety? But, in all due respect, what gives anyone the right to make such claims?

Whatever MM picked level may not have been that enthralling to you( as in everyone), someone else may have enjoyed. What may be just another platformer to you, may have jumped sparked innovation in other creators. People "like" these stages. People like all the platformers or other MM picks, so I am not seeing the problem or objective of this thread anymore. MM picks, like several members have mentioned, are very in number. You guys remember when Spaff, though a awesome guy, we went months without getting ANY MM picks. This is heaven by comparison.

My point is, you misunderstand MM picks. These are not God tier levels. Just levels getting spotlights and in a sense is not much different than the spotlights on youtube; they arent the best videos--some of them are, but they are the most popular. It doesnt stop any of us from searching for other videos. Just like MM picks shouldnt detour anyone from searching for other great levels.

Tynz21
08-13-2013, 08:24 PM
If anything you are handing people the pitchforks. You say its not a raise awareness attempt, but on the surface it really it is. This is no different than the dozens of MM picked threads that have been created before-and as a result generates reactions I tried to warn you about.

All I see in these threads are "oh this MM picked level isnt that great" or MM picked stages need more variety? But, in all due respect, what gives anyone the right to make such claims?

Whatever MM picked level may not have been that enthralling to you( as in everyone), someone else may have enjoyed. What may be just another platformer to you, may have jumped sparked innovation in other creators. People "like" these stages. People like all the platformers or other MM picks, so I am not seeing the problem or objective of this thread anymore. MM picks, like several members have mentioned, are very in number. You guys remember when Spaff, though a awesome guy, we went months without getting ANY MM picks. This is heaven by comparison.

My point is, you misunderstand MM picks. These are not God tier levels. Just levels getting spotlights and in a sense is not much different than the spotlights on youtube; they arent the best videos--some of them are, but they are the most popular. It doesnt stop any of us from searching for other videos. Just like MM picks shouldnt detour anyone from searching for other great levels.

I have to say I don't entirely agree with that. MM picks aren't meant to showcase
popular levels as with the YouTube example. They're supposed to pick levels that aren't that popular so as to give the "spotlight". Spaff may not have picked levels as frequently but in general the quality was a lot higher. I think the problem I have more than anything though is how many of the Same type of platformer we see get mm picked. But that's just my opinion. It doesn't really matter much tbh because as you said I will continue to search for levels on my own regardless.

Alex-Raven
08-13-2013, 09:33 PM
If anything you are handing people the pitchforks. You say its not a raise awareness attempt, but on the surface it really it is.

Easy there, this is a collective discussion about the state of the community and what we think would happen if , and I've done my best to be as neutral as possible.
If anything, I see people burned out on LBP, who simply share their perspecitve on the whole situation.


All I see in these threads are "oh this MM picked level isnt that great" or MM picked stages need more variety? But, in all due respect, what gives anyone the right to make such claims?

While I do agree with you that people shouldn't criticize Picks the way they do, they still have a right to an opinion, whether you, me or anyone else like it or not. They have every right to make such claims, and asking for variety does not mean one is implying that the current selection is terrible.


People like all the platformers or other MM picks, so I am not seeing the problem or objective of this thread anymore. MM picks, like several members have mentioned, are very in number.

Problem or objective? There isn't one... we're discussing and we're trying to reach a general consesus [I](At least I am) As for the number of MM picks, I've did my best to explain my point of view, (Short Version: Game getting old + Community losing interest , more MM picks might motivate people to come back, both creators and players. Also, there are a lot of levels that deserve to be picked, so it's not like we would get hang-out levels or Shark survivals) but you guys (apart from Tynz21) just say "It's enough!" without as much as a single argument on why it would be such a bad thing.


My point is, you misunderstand MM picks.

Talk about rights for claims, oh boy xD...

Apple2012
08-13-2013, 09:48 PM
Game getting old + Community losing interest , more MM picks might motivate people to come back, both creators and players.

Seriously! I do not believe it. Mm Picks aren't saving the community from shrinking. The community was never bad. People are just getting bummed out of ideas. You think Mm Picks will restore the community? It's like flatulence will restore the viewer base for a TV show that is losing popularity. That's not true.

I think the rate we have right now is good. Besides, we already have a lot of people who criticize Mm Picks these days.

I think that if your idea takes effect, I can predict the perverse effect could happen - community gets smaller. I'm not saying it will happen, I'm saying it might happen. Some people would quit because of this.

I think there's nothing that will restore the community. And I'm not arguing with you anymore.

Alex-Raven
08-13-2013, 10:09 PM
Seriously! I do not believe it. Mm Picks aren't saving the community from shrinking. The community was never bad. People are just getting bummed out of ideas. You think Mm Picks will restore the community? It's like flatulence will restore the viewer base for a TV show that is losing popularity. That's not true.

Umm... Ok... remember when I said about people getting touchy about this? You just went there...


And I'm not arguing with you anymore..

Were we arguing ? I'm slighly confused...

Apple2012
08-13-2013, 10:25 PM
Were we arguing ? I'm slighly confused...

I actually said that because last year, we had so many threads about this. I used to be involved all the time. Just letting you know, I stated my reason. It's not just between you and me.

Rpg Maker
08-13-2013, 10:34 PM
Problem or objective? There isn't one... we're discussing and we're trying to reach a general consesus (At least I am) As for the number of MM picks, I've did my best to explain my point of view, (Short Version: Game getting old + Community losing interest , more MM picks might motivate people to come back, both creators and players. Also, there are a lot of levels that deserve to be picked, so it's not like we would get hang-out levels or Shark survivals) but you guys (apart from Tynz21) just say "It's enough!" without as much as a single argument on why it would be such a bad thing.

Hold on, first of all to TC, I understand you want to have a discussion about MM picks. Yet, do you really expect everyone to come to a general consensus? You got frustrated as soon as people started disagreeing with you; I was simply trying to avoid that.

If my manner of words have come across as offensive, that was not my intent, nor was I ever implying you meant for this thread to turn into anything more than just a "happy" discussion. I do respect your opinion; just dont take it personally when I or anyone else says their opinions.

Even still, The fact you want to come to a general consensus is almost the same as raising awareness of your dissatisfaction with MM picks ;)


While I do agree with you that people shouldn't criticize Picks the way they do, they still have a right to an opinion, whether you, me or anyone else like it or not. They have every right to make such claims, and asking for variety does not mean one is implying that the current selection is terrible.

Legally they have the right to criticize sure, but what does that accomplish honestly? Would you tell a seven year old his level sucks or isnt worthy to be MM picked. You would crush his poor little soul. That feeling doesnt change no matter how old you get. No one likes when someone downgrades their level. This is why "boos" were removed. LBP is at its best when the community is being positive. How would you feel if someone said your personal creation was overrated, not good enough, or not worthy?

Short answer, all of us would feel like crap. I am not telling you what to do, but know what effect certain opinions will have.

And ultimately, what I am saying is MM picks ARE opinions. They are not rankings of LBP2 status. Just the levels that someone found really interesting and spotlighted it. Not every great level can be recognized--even in real life this doesnt happen. Such a feat is impossible and an inevitable fate player create driven games have. I am sure there are masterpieces I have never played.

But thats why forums like this exist.

So that those serious creators can get recognized, mingle and just enjoy the artistic beauty of creativity. Sites like this host their own spotlights, their own creator spotlights, recommendations and a vastly better search engine. And to say that people don't have time to search fansites isnt all the way true either. Everyone with access to the community, has access to the internet. Meaning they could easily browse on their ps3 or computer and find good levels to play. And its not like the LBP2 newsfeeds arent loaded with fansites favorites as well.

Lady_Luck__777
08-13-2013, 10:39 PM
Seeing as this thread has started downhill, it is being locked per OP request.

jwwphotos
08-13-2013, 10:46 PM
Too bad.. it was actually a pretty good discussion up to a point.

Remember... when you ask opinions, share them and remain calm. Not everyone will ever feel the same way. In this particular case, it is Mm's decision on how many they pick each and every week. I know for a fact they work pretty hard just to get the 3 they do and think it is wonderful they still show an interest. ;)

My two cents.