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Hamsalad
02-03-2009, 09:52 PM
Hey guys just thought I would make a post for us guitarist out there to share our guitaring experiances or give eachother some tips or advice. So far I just know me and ironmaiden are the shredders not aware of anyone else but please everyone is welcome with a relevant / helpful post.

Also possibly share our favorite songs to play or what guitars we have etc... I'm sure you get the jist!

Alex™
02-03-2009, 09:53 PM
yay! i was to lazy to make this!!! awesome lol.

so what guitar do you have/what do you want to have?

Hamsalad
02-03-2009, 09:57 PM
i have a yamaha RGX, I know the newest version out is yamaha RGX A2...I guess its lesser quality than mine and they discontinued mine; I'll try to get a pic / description for it. Its really nice the action is real low and its a sweet transparent red...no dots on the fret board and a tribal symbol centered on the 12th fret. and nice smooth mahagondy neck.

also my friend pointed out to me that the lead guitarist from three days grace has my same guitar but in transparent black instead of red; which i thought was pretty neat.

I kind of want to be cliche and get a black gibson les paul. I like the look a lot; or a real good quality dean razor back prob dime bag darrel edition

same questions for you?

Alex™
02-03-2009, 09:59 PM
I have a Epi Les Paul in sunburst :D and an old washburn maverick... i HAD a schecter synyster gates custom... before it got broken at a band practice :( lol not replacing that till end of summer though, need to do my GCSE's first, and i use a vox valvetronix 15w amp or my 90w fender automatic SE :D

edit: lol i forgot to add: sweet, i love those guitars man :D

Hamsalad
02-03-2009, 10:02 PM
ya my 15W fender practice amp w/ built in distortions / effects just went to crap on me . the power light comes on but no sound...hmm...even tried different cables.

i'm looking at this 150W ibanezz amp on musiciansfriend, its like $380 but its got just fantastic reviews and people even said you don't even need any distortion pedals because the distortions so nice the only you will need is an effects processor because it only has delay i think.

the next amp i get i want to be able to play out w/ so i think ill get that one

I saw the ephi les pauls are great, they say cant really get a better guitar for the price

Alex™
02-03-2009, 10:03 PM
nice :D i want a marshall stack...but they are like more than £1000....lol gtg sleepytime though :(

Hamsalad
02-03-2009, 10:06 PM
i saw they have like a mini marshall stack its actually 2 main amps and the header peice or w/e i think it was around $400 or $500. looked like a pretty good deal IDK i think im gunna go w/ the ibanezz though i'll research it a little

UmJammerSully
02-03-2009, 10:11 PM
http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6138

Thread merger plocks!

Whalio Cappuccino
02-03-2009, 10:35 PM
Yeah, I was about to post that chaz. :( Beat me to it...

And I play the guitar too, I have in Ibanez, don't know the brand though.

I'll look for a video of the guitar.

Ah here we go, exact same guitar, just black, and no that's not me, although I probably can play that. :)

Mine is black btw.

YouTube - Avenged Sevenfold Afterlife SOLO

Hamsalad
02-03-2009, 11:09 PM
cool looks like a nice axe whaaaale, suprised you found that one chaz its been inactive for a while. i was planning on keeping this one active.

Snrm
02-03-2009, 11:12 PM
woah nice guitar whaaaale!

http://www.vgblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/Hardware/TheAntCommandosPS2&3/Widow%20Maker%20Bass%20Guitar.jpg

erm yep heres my guitar.... you can even play rock band with it XD.

just joking i played guitar once but found i wasnt good at reading notes and stuff... idk music aint one of my talents

Thegide
02-03-2009, 11:25 PM
Sweet, just the thread I was looking for to geek out in!

This is me:

YouTube - All That Remains - Become the Catalyst (solo)

My main guitars are an Ibanez Jem (signed by Steve Vai at G3 '03) and an ESP Ltd. MH-400
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3287/2726134042_7b5c112380.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3061/2726133896_a79934789a.jpg

I have a custom built rack powered by a Mesa Triaxis and a 2:Ninety stereo power amp. I also have a G-major effects unit in there. All my sound banks are programmed by MIDI and controlled by a Behringer FCB1010 footboard.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3008/2725309807_4441549078.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2299/1835904484_e1449350eb.jpg
Rear view /w sexy sexy tubes:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2332/1835072859_eeedc8bb22.jpg



Yeah, I was about to post that chaz. :( Beat me to it...

And I play the guitar too, I have in Ibanez, don't know the brand though.

I'll look for a video of the guitar.

Ah here we go, exact same guitar, just black, and no that's not me, although I probably can play that. :)

Mine is black btw.

I hope you can play that solo better than the guy in the vid^^ haha...

Snrm
02-03-2009, 11:27 PM
you double posted it mate :O

but sweet setup!

Thegide
02-03-2009, 11:28 PM
I can't get the stupid youtube video to link up... so yeah double posted during edits. You caught me! haha

EDIT: Perhaps the video is too old, or perhaps it was because previously embedding was disabled for this video on youtube. Oh well, click the link!

I've got a camcorder now, so hopefully I will have more videos up before long. This was done with a shoddy webcam synced up to audio capture in WMM.

Snrm
02-03-2009, 11:31 PM
Yay caught!!! :O

and i really like the blue guitar!

Thegide
02-03-2009, 11:35 PM
Yay caught!!! :O

and i really like the blue guitar!

Thanks. She's a real joy to play. The body styling is almost identical to some PRS guitars I've seen. It's got active EMG81/85 pickups which give it a really solid sound. Compared to the Ibanez, it wasn't even very expensive!

Hamsalad
02-04-2009, 12:00 AM
**** man that is a sick *** set up... wow im impressed i've only been playing for a year but i play like a machine so i've gotten quite good quickly....

deffinitly plan on playing until i die as hard core as i have been. currently working on getting some buddies together to start practicing to do some covers out at some bars or something just for fun i would love that.

here is the amp i'm prob gunna get http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ibanez-TBX150R-Tone-Blaster-Xtreme-Guitar-Combo-Amp?sku=480945

reviews seem awesome and i havnt heard anything bad about ibanezz im going to try to find some pics about my guitar or just take some when i get home tonight

[Edit]: @snrm you don't really have to read notes you can tabs if you want thats what i am doing. i plan on learning theory / sheet music later

[Edit2]: Also the paint style of your bottom axe is almost just like mine except mines like cherry red main style w/ a darker red...actually the body is very very similar your pick ups look nice though I'll prob get some new ones for mine w/ tax returns along w/ the amp

Thegide
02-04-2009, 12:17 AM
Back when I was in high school I was bugging my parents to send me to Berklee. I used to play about 3 hours a day then. Needless to say, things didn't turn out the way I liked so I never got to go. Sometimes I'll still play for 8 hours in a day, but those days are more and more rare since work and school keep me far too busy, not to mention video games are a total distraction :P All in all, I don't think I'm as good as I used to be, but I could probably get back there with only a few weeks of hard practice.

Anyways, I've been playing for about 17 years, and teaching on and off for the last 3. The best advice I can give you is practice a LOT and go and get professional lessons. Even if you don't *think* you need them, do it! Find an instructor who is interested in teaching you what you want to learn (not what they think you should learn). You will save yourself years of learning by doing so, that I promise.

If shredding is your thing, you should check out a guy by the name of Rusty Cooley, if you don't already know him, that is. As far as I'm concerned, he is the godfather of modern shred and has nearly inhuman technical ability. If you're in the Texas area, he also gives lessons^^.

I can't comment much on the amp, since I'm no longer familiar with amps in that price range. But if you ever need buying advice for guitars or high end gear let me know.

Hamsalad
02-04-2009, 12:27 AM
ya when i first started playing i worked at this store by myself and it was slow as hell...i had my acoustic and i would literally play all day for 11 hours and probably even go home and play some more, so you can imagine why i progressed rather quickly..

currently i am taking lessons, the guys great but i don't just want to go in and be like teach me this song; although it is easier to learn from someone i'm more interested in techniques / scales.

ive had quite a few lessons where i learned that some times i tell him to teach me a song for fun but i've been messing around w/ the pentatonic and different patterns w/ that as well as learning the major scale and a dimished scale.

and your top guitar kind of looks like an ibanezz jem but black. I really need to keep consistantly giving it at least an hour of practice a night i usually always do but i work my *** off and like to chill w/ friends so ill usually get home and stay up later than i should practing.

working on sweep picking kind of now not as much as i should really hit the bricks on that.


and that name kind of rings a bell not really though, I know hes not the founder but bucket head shreds to what appears to be unrreal. i bet is were hes at and still practices at least 4 hours a day

Thegide
02-04-2009, 12:38 AM
It IS an Ibanez Jem! I don't think they make this model anymore, but it is a 7DBK. The body is contoured so that there's these bumps all over the surface. It feels like someone dripped hot wax all over it. Very cool finish! It's got screw head inlays for fret markers and DiMarzio Breed pickups instead of the Evolutions that come stock on the VWH (white /w gold hardware) model.

While I absolutely love the Jem, these days I favor the ESP simply because of the different sound of the pickups. The Breeds are very hot, but solo playing on the EMGs is much more fluid, so they are more forgiving.

Leather-Monkey
02-04-2009, 05:52 PM
How did I not see this thread!?! I have an Epiphone Les Paul Vintage Sunburst! I probably spend around an hour everyday annoying the neighbours with my constant axe playing :p.http://dane.lauda-audio.pl/prod/5596/P_LP100body.jpg

Hamsalad
02-04-2009, 06:27 PM
nice axe mine have the dual humbuckers like that too. i kind of want to get some nice active pick ups later after i get a new amp

Leather-Monkey
02-04-2009, 06:33 PM
Oh! Might I recommend an amp :p I have the Kustum Dart 10FX, which sounds amazing with all the guitars I have used it with! I got it for about £30 (about $44), which was an amazing offer! Only a practice amp though...

Gilgamesh
02-04-2009, 06:50 PM
Hey, there's some real guitarists here!

I'm mostly self-taught, no real skills yet. :)
I just have a cheap, old, black Squier Stratocaster with a small, discontinued Marshall AMP. I don't get to play much recently because of my long travel times and LBP.

I like to play mostly old tunes from the NES and SNES. I've tried my hand at playing some Punk Rock, but my gear and technique just don't give it a good sound. I also like to play some more traditional-sounding pieces, like the Tristram theme from Diablo 1 and a couple of other songs.

I have a friend who's taking guitar lessons. Hopefully when I get some more free time and get back into playing, he'll be able to hook me up with some good tips. :)

Leather-Monkey
02-04-2009, 06:53 PM
I taught myself, some of my friends took guitar lessons and said it didnt do anything for them. Teaching yourself just requires patience, time and passion!

Hamsalad
02-04-2009, 06:57 PM
i taught myself for quite a while....and ya most lessons people offer are you go in and its like ok what song do you want to learn?

and that really doesn't do much although its easier to learn from a person you could look up tabs for a song on your own.

now at most my lessons i make him teach me technique and different scales so its working pretty well for me i feel im taking a lot from it.

also thanks for the reccommend but i think im going to get one big enough to play out with...for a practice i was going to get this fender one that lets you record your own riffs and plays it back in a loop also has preset drum / bass loops. so if you want you can record your own rythem riff to the drums / bass and make up your own lead parts...its pretty awesome

Alex™
02-04-2009, 07:04 PM
I NEED A NEW GEETAR!!!!lol well i want one anyway :D and i want to learn sweep pickage! lol

Hamsalad
02-04-2009, 07:07 PM
I NEED A NEW GEETAR!!!!lol well i want one anyway :D and i want to learn sweep pickage! lol

im happy w/ my guitar just need a new amp bad. i still need to work on my sweeping...i need to give that some good practice

This is my guitar http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Yamaha-RGX520FZ-Electric-Guitar?sku=519043&src=3WWRWXGB&ZYXSEM=0

in the transparent red. i love it; the only upgrade i would do is better pick ups. the stock ones are nice though as far as i can tell

Alex™
02-04-2009, 07:22 PM
im happy w/ my guitar just need a new amp bad. i still need to work on my sweeping...i need to give that some good practice

This is my guitar http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Yamaha-RGX520FZ-Electric-Guitar?sku=519043&src=3WWRWXGB&ZYXSEM=0

in the transparent red. i love it; the only upgrade i would do is better pick ups. the stock ones are nice though as far as i can tell

that pretty sweet :D

i am going to get one of thses 2 in a few moths though :D

Zacky Vengeance Sig:http://www.schecterguitars.com/

or Synyster Gates Sig:http://www.schecterguitars.com/

i LOVE those 2!

Hamsalad
02-04-2009, 07:28 PM
they look pretty sweet the link you gave has two diff guitars one on top and bottom for each.... i kind of wanted a flying V / dean razor back but i was worried you cant play sitting down

Alex™
02-04-2009, 07:34 PM
it didnt link to the actual guitars, those are nothing like the ones i wanted lol :(

these are...

Synyster Gates custom:http://cachepe.samedaymusic.com/media/quality,85/brand,sameday/hr_synyster_custom-fbe3b878ee69198a9c27160d72d3d281.jpg

Zacky Vengeance Custom:http://www.drumcityguitarland.com/drumcitygl/stores/1/images/Schecter/Schecter%202008%20DIAMOND%20SERIES%20ZV%20Special% 20Metallic%20Gold%20w%20ZV%20Graphic%206-String%20Electric%20Guitar.jpg

RAINFIRE
02-04-2009, 07:37 PM
Well, i am a guitarist myself, only been playin' a little over a year though. I have a red strat (with a double back pickup, and a standard amp from them... and the connector cord is a little dead) but i do not play on it very often. The one i am one the most is my 30 year-old epiphone (guitars sound better with age i have heard) but yeah, simple, but hey its something. Like i said i have only been playing a little over a year, and am in a true guitar "class" (not lessons, but a class) but my favorite song to play would most likely be "Here Without You" by 3 Doors Down. If you guys have any recognizable songs, that are easy to play but sound awesome, i am all ears, or any riffs for soloing, i am all ears.

Cheers!

Thegide
02-04-2009, 07:40 PM
I taught myself, some of my friends took guitar lessons and said it didnt do anything for them. Teaching yourself just requires patience, time and passion!

Then I would suggest your friends did not seek out an instructor well matched to them. Teaching somebody how to play the guitar is NOT teaching them how to play a song.

Unless you've already received formal instruction and know how to use your practice time wisely, I see no reason to assume you are "just as good without it". You can spend years practicing for hours and get less out of it than a casual player who is practicing the right things for the right reasons.

If your goal was to become a master shredder, you would be wise to seek out a teacher competent and interested in showing you:

- general right and left hand technique
- rhythm & rhythm theory
- legato technique
- arpeggios & sweep picking
- modal scales, exotic scales, symmetrical scales, pentatonics, etc.
- improvisation
- harmonic theory (understanding chord construction, and how to build chord progressions)
- how to choose and use gear to achieve desired sounds...

Hamsalad
02-04-2009, 07:41 PM
i like playing Sublime-Santeria ... Lynard Skynard-Simple Man....Green Day---When I come around (only when im playing w/ friends) Nirvana--In Bloom (is a really fun riff) Or like CKY--Sink into the under ground

[Edit]: ya thegide is absolutely right....my teacher has shown me legato.. i already knew about arpeggios and messed around w/ them and showed me a good sweep excersice...and what is a modal or exotic scale or symmetric i guess lol....

i also had mine just help me w/ improv...just been messing w/ the pentatonic and he showed me a couple different patterns w/ it..

he also showed me a diminished scale and a major scale.

Leather-Monkey
02-04-2009, 07:43 PM
Did I mention teaching yourself is cheaper :p

Thegide
02-04-2009, 07:48 PM
Hey, CKY fan. Cool. I actually met them in Toronto in 2002 I think it was, during their IDR tour. Deron is a great guy to talk to... I was trying to get my CD book signed by everyone and had to chase down Jess at a strip club, at which point he stabbed the pen through one of the booklets because he was so hammered. Oh, and he kept my pen too... haha.

The stuff I'm currently into playing:
- Dream Theater
- Opeth
- Dethklok (no kidding, Brandon Small is a very talented player)
- Symphony X
- Angra
- All That Remains

Previously:
- Steve Vai
- Joe Satriani
- Old-school Metallica
- GnR
- Tool

Leather-Monkey
02-04-2009, 07:51 PM
I play a lot a GN'R songs - SLASH = LEGEND! Anyway, I also play a lot of Led Zeppelin and Metallica

Alex™
02-04-2009, 08:02 PM
OMG, i love playing flight of icarus(maiden obvs.) easy to play, apart from the solo, which i find challenging, but then i aint great lol, but i love playing it :D

Thegide
02-04-2009, 08:12 PM
and what is a modal or exotic scale or symmetric i guess lol....

You'll get into this stuff soon enough I think. Without confusing you too much I'll try to break it down into simple terms.

You know the difference between major and minor scales right? Well, these are part of a bigger picture. There are other types of major and minor scales with varying degrees of how "major" or "minor" they sound. Cumulatively, we call all of these scales the "diatonic scale" and they are all related**. Modal theory is essentially everything concerning all of the "degrees" of the diatonic scale.

**I will not explain this further just know that the Aminor scale contains the exact same notes as Cmajor and is therefore theoretically the same scale

Exotic scales generally refer to scales of exotic origin (geographically). Things like the Hirajoshi (japanese), Arabic, Neapolitan, or Phrygian major are generally grouped here. I don't consider harmonic minor (or melodic minor or pentatonics) to be "exotic" since their origins are in traditional harmonic theory.

Regarding symmetric scales.. Actually I had a typo. I meant to say synthetic scales (which can be symmetrical or non-symmetrical). Synthetic scales are hard to describe but let's just say they are patterened moreso than they are musical. Diminished scales, whole tone, and octatonic scales fall in this category.

qrtda235566
02-04-2009, 08:25 PM
Meh, I have a crap guitar. Need a new one...bad. I have a fake Strat. And it's RED too. So I feel like like I'm in the same group as the 10 year old girls who play Hannah Montana. I'll get around to posting a video of me playing on Youtube eventually but I don't have a camera so It'll be all audio and people will think I'm faking....BUT I'M NOOOOT!


:p

I'm working on playing Sanitarium, it's easy enough. The songs I can play now are the Trooper, One, Sweet Child of Mine, The Unforgiven, and a couple other songs that I just kind of decided I wanted to play one day but never committed to.

:p

I think my guitar is a Bullet Strat or something like that. Something cheap that was one hundred dollars....

http://www.edmondmusicinc.com/items/fender/BULLETRD.jpg
Ahh, here's my guitar. My whammy bar also broke. :(
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Dj6n-TruL._SL500_AA280_.jpg
Here's the effects pedal I use.

Hamsalad
02-04-2009, 08:47 PM
thanks thegide i think i follow w/ your scale talk. i know what you mean about the patterns like diminished.. I also learned one pantera riff and i asked my instructor what kind of scale it was and he said it was more so a pattern than a scale. he didn't give me that name for it or anything though....i think he said you could name it but it would have some crazy long technical name because you would break it apart peice by peice.

also ya i like cky a lot. i know sink into the underground and another one ...man i cant believe i forgot the name they played it in jack *** a lot.... it goes duh duh duh dahhh----- duh duh duh da duh duh da.....da da--- da da da--- da..da da da --daaaa.....lol don't know if that will be much help..

but ya i know the main riff for sweet child i know slash plays half a step but i cant even get it to sound right on i think maybe its the distortion he uses and the tone ? not sure

[Edit]: Awesome thats pretty funn the whole hanna montana thing

RAINFIRE
02-04-2009, 09:35 PM
Awesomemans... I have the same thing but it is the next quality grade up. It has a dual back pickup. Also when you are jamming with friends you learn a whole lot more in 15 minutes than you would in an hour by yourself.

Cheers!

Thegide
02-04-2009, 10:01 PM
also ya i like cky a lot. i know sink into the underground and another one ...man i cant believe i forgot the name they played it in jack *** a lot.... it goes duh duh duh dahhh----- duh duh duh da duh duh da.....da da--- da da da--- da..da da da --daaaa.....lol don't know if that will be much help..

96 quite bitter beings is the name of that song. Yes, it's quite fun also. Surprised I understood? :D



but ya i know the main riff for sweet child i know slash plays half a step but i cant even get it to sound right on i think maybe its the distortion he uses and the tone ? not sure

Slash's tone is distinguished and is a product of the guitar, the amp, the effects, but most importantly, the artist himself. Tune your guitar down 1/2 step as you pointed out, and use the neck pickup, not the bridge. Then focus on the quality of your playing - don't let the notes bleed over each other. That riff is a pretty good beginner's string skipping exercise.

Hamsalad
02-04-2009, 10:11 PM
96 quite bitter beings is the name of that song. Yes, it's quite fun also. Surprised I understood? :D



Slash's tone is distinguished and is a product of the guitar, the amp, the effects, but most importantly, the artist himself. Tune your guitar down 1/2 step as you pointed out, and use the neck pickup, not the bridge. Then focus on the quality of your playing - don't let the notes bleed over each other. That riff is a pretty good beginner's string skipping exercise.

i see.....good tips thanks. Ya that was a great string skipping excersice when i first learned it i remember i thought it was so hard and felt awesome when i could play it (even though it wasnt flawless).

but i think i was using my bridge pick up before....but i think thats the next thing i need to focus on is making sure i dont let the notes bleed, and i would accomplish that by hitting the note and slightly lifting my finger off the string right away?

i think currently i've been letting the notes bleed. I know when my insturctor was teaching me some sweep techniques he told me i cant let the notes bleed its kind of tricky to get the motion and lift your fret hand at the same time but comes with practice im sure

[edit]: also i'm impressed you got that...i figured i would add in the lines for holding the notes lol; glad it was distinguishable for you at least! and as soon as i read that i remembered instantly

Whalio Cappuccino
02-04-2009, 10:30 PM
I like jamming with friends to a few songs like...

The White Stripes ( Don't know why, it's just hella fun with friends. )

Oh and I also love playing AudioSlave songs ( I think Tom Morello is awesome... )

A few other songs but I mostly only play for my church, I'm not really into playing for other things, I just play for my church, but it's fun, we change gospel songs to rock, it's pretty funny. :p

Hamsalad
02-04-2009, 10:35 PM
I like jamming with friends to a few songs like...

The White Stripes ( Don't know why, it's just hella fun with friends. )

Oh and I also love playing AudioSlave songs ( I think Tom Morello is awesome... )

A few other songs but I mostly only play for my church, I'm not really into playing for other things, I just play for my church, but it's fun, we change gospel songs to rock, it's pretty funny. :p

thats pretty cool... ya one of the first songs me and my friends jammed together especially when i was still a guitar newb and we didnt really have a good drummer or set was seven nation army...its simple but fun.

just because their simple doesnt mean they cant be good see greenday, nirvana , white stripes

Whalio Cappuccino
02-04-2009, 10:38 PM
Haha yeah, we play that song, but we are in no way newbs. Especially our drummer, he covers songs like...

Holy Diver by KillSwitch Engaged

and a really hard song

Two Weeks by All That Remains...

Hamsalad
02-04-2009, 10:47 PM
ya didnt think you guys were.. my drummer is really sick too... he does double bass and is all crazy like that. i'm not to shabby myself but know i have a while to go

Thegide
02-04-2009, 11:05 PM
i see.....good tips thanks. Ya that was a great string skipping excersice when i first learned it i remember i thought it was so hard and felt awesome when i could play it (even though it wasnt flawless).

but i think i was using my bridge pick up before....but i think thats the next thing i need to focus on is making sure i dont let the notes bleed, and i would accomplish that by hitting the note and slightly lifting my finger off the string right away?

i think currently i've been letting the notes bleed. I know when my insturctor was teaching me some sweep techniques he told me i cant let the notes bleed its kind of tricky to get the motion and lift your fret hand at the same time but comes with practice im sure

[edit]: also i'm impressed you got that...i figured i would add in the lines for holding the notes lol; glad it was distinguishable for you at least! and as soon as i read that i remembered instantly

a lot of soloing is done using the neck pickup, while a lot of rhythm is done with the bridge.

sweeps are a difficult beast, even for someone playing as long as myself. any hack can pull off the sweep motion, but it takes an expert to make it sound good. the key is note separation, and it takes both hands to master.

your fretting hand literally has to fret the notes one at a time so they dont ring over top of one another. for some arp shapes this is easy. for some its very difficult.

in shapes where you have a "barre" motion, you need to isolate and practice rolling that finger on its own - these are often the most difficult. by roll, i mean lets pretend you are playing a C minor arp shape at the 8th fret (looks like an Em, barred at the 8th fret) - your index finger will be barred across the 3rd, 2nd, and 1st strings, but you can roll that finger so that its like you are fretting them individually when you sweep it.

also, make sure you hit your hammer ons and pull offs at the top of your arps cleanly and clearly. this takes a lot of coordination and strength in your pinky.

the sweeping (picking) hand should attempt to mute other strings as well, or you will get a lot of nondescript "noise" even if you aren't letting the notes bleed.

and of course, things get even more fun when you tap extra notes at the top of your arp shapes:

YouTube - Crush my battle opponent's balls

Hopefully I will have a youtube clip of myself playing this solo soon^^

Hamsalad
02-04-2009, 11:19 PM
once again great advice... ya i think the best thing to do is to start off w/ a more simple pattern. and just practice getting the solid sweep cordination w/ your sweep hand and then practice lifting your fingers up / muting so you get a clean and non bled sound.

ya i've been playing w/ some drum loops just using the pentatonic really since that is my best scale i know right now (I know a few different patterns and i can play it well(well at least for me))

but i pretty much live on my bridge pick up..... and i just figured the bridge pick up is pointing up towards the back neck pick up is pointing towards the neck right? i know it seems obvious but just wanted to double check and the middle one not sure what you'd call it .

but idk i just like the sound of the bridge pick up a lot

[edit]: i cant play it loud im at work lol. i like deathklok though; is that sweeping hes doing? i only played a few seconds and could barely hear it. pretty impressive that you can play it though

Thegide
02-04-2009, 11:39 PM
When I was learning I never strayed from the bridge pickup for years. It had more crunch, so I thought that's what I should always use. Now I do 90% of my soloing on the neck pup.

Yes neck pickup is next to the end of the neck, bridge pickup is next to the bridge. The one in the middle is just...well... the middle pickup, if you've got one.

Certainly, start with simple patterns. 3-strings max until you get the hang of playing them cleanly. Then move up to 4, 5, and then 6 string sweep shapes. Don't be afraid to stick with 3-string patterns for years... guitar mastery does not come overnight.

In the vid, the tapped sweep arpeggios are from 0:16 to 0:27.

Hamsalad
02-04-2009, 11:57 PM
When I was learning I never strayed from the bridge pickup for years. It had more crunch, so I thought that's what I should always use. Now I do 90% of my soloing on the neck pup.

Yes neck pickup is next to the end of the neck, bridge pickup is next to the bridge. The one in the middle is just...well... the middle pickup, if you've got one.

Certainly, start with simple patterns. 3-strings max until you get the hang of playing them cleanly. Then move up to 4, 5, and then 6 string sweep shapes. Don't be afraid to stick with 3-string patterns for years... guitar mastery does not come overnight.

In the vid, the tapped sweep arpeggios are from 0:16 to 0:27.


wow tap sweep arpeggios... that just sounds insane....ya thats why i play on it too... so i guess im like you :p i just thought it sound so much crunchier....crazier that was my exact reason. and my sweep pattern that i've been practicing is 3 strings my fingers mainly stay stationary except i throw my pinky in w/ a pull off i think

qrtda235566
02-05-2009, 12:32 AM
Hmmm...This looks like a good place to put my Metallica complaints...


Besides the fact that Lars Ulrich is absolutely the worst metal drummer, or possibly drummer, in history, most of their albums before the Black Album had very high production value, and none really had the polish of albums like Megadeth's Rust in Peace.

But maybe this is because I'm comparing Metallica's 80s stuff to Megadeth's 90s stuff....and Iced Earth's last year stuff. lol....I need to get the new Iced Earth album! :)

Oh, and Iron Maiden had better quality albums in the 80s than Metallica, but not every band can compare with arguably the best band ever.

Thegide
02-05-2009, 12:50 AM
Iced Earth's "The Path I Choose" still gives me rhythm hand cramps to this day! I can shred like the wind but man that guy has chops from hell and beyond.

Awesomemans, be careful with confusing opinion with fact^^. None of the Metallica guys may rank near the top as technically proficient players, but that's not to say it was garbage. I happen to opine that its no better or worse than any crap Mustaine ever put out. At the very least, they schooled him in the songwriting department up until Load.

Anyways, who gives a crap? Compared to what some of today's metal bands are churning out, it's all laughable, but at least you have to acknowledge that they extremely influential in directing where metal is today.

Back onto a positive track, what are you guys listening to that nobody else is?
I'm going to recommend Max Cavalera's new project, Cavalera Conspiracy - Inflikted, even if just for the song Sanctuary.

Whalio Cappuccino
02-05-2009, 12:52 AM
Umm, anyone care to tell me what type of genre this song is? I really like songs like this...

Burn You Down - Opiate For The Masses

qrtda235566
02-05-2009, 01:04 AM
Umm, anyone care to tell me what type of genre this song is? I really like songs like this...

Burn You Down - Opiate For The Masses

Ew....

WTF? Um....Weird..

I dunno. It sounds like hard rock near the end but at the beginning it's almost like, Electronic or something.

and @Thegide

I agree that Metallica was incredibly influential, and I love them, just saying. I'm currently listening to All in the Waiting by Buckethead. I love Buckethead. :p Best, most versatile guitarist, and musician.

Thegide
02-05-2009, 01:19 AM
Brian Carroll...er I mean Buckethead has certainly gained some reputation, especially since debuting Jordan on Guitar Hero 2.

If you can find it, you should look for one of his earlier projects "Praxis - Mutatis Mutandis". Absolutely fantastic CD, and really showcases his diversity as a player. His playing also really highlights what you can do with Jazz theory IF you can ever wrap your head around it! As far as his tapping skills, you need to look no further than Jennifer Batten for influence. She was Michael Jackson's lead guitar during the early 80's and was pretty much a pioneer of 8-finger tapping.

<-- wealth of useless guitar information


Umm, anyone care to tell me what type of genre this song is? I really like songs like this...

Burn You Down - Opiate For The Masses

Glam Rock/Industrial... with a bit of Indie in there. I can definitely hear the Mindless Self Indulgence influence going on there.

qrtda235566
02-05-2009, 01:22 AM
Brian Carroll...er I mean Buckethead has certainly gained some reputation, especially since debuting Jordan on Guitar Hero 2.

If you can find it, you should look for one of his earlier projects "Praxis - Mutatis Mutandis". Absolutely fantastic CD, and really showcases his diversity as a player. His playing also really highlights what you can do with Jazz theory IF you can ever wrap your head around it! As far as his tapping skills, you need to look no further than Jennifer Batten for influence. She was Michael Jackson's lead guitar during the early 80's and was pretty much a pioneer of 8-finger tapping.

<-- wealth of useless guitar information

<-- unless you want to play guitar for a profession

Alex™
02-05-2009, 06:20 AM
Oh, and Iron Maiden had better quality albums in the 80s than Metallica, but not every band can compare with arguably the best band ever.


yes, iron maiden ARE the best band ever :)

Hamsalad
02-05-2009, 02:18 PM
thegide ...whats your opinion on kirk hammet. . my guitar teacher talks some crap about him and just says half his solos start w/ the 7-10 bend thing (he does it three times) and does this triple pattern pentatonic starting on the high E string; and he does the full scale every time.

and it also bugs him because some of the stuff he doesnt isn't very clean at all. I think he is kind of biased casue the kinds of music he likes but i can kind of hear it

Frank-the-Bunny
02-05-2009, 02:52 PM
ohh man i have been trying to learn for so long and just can't do it. I personally only want to learn so i can play Jack Johnson but it won't work for me any suggestions?

Hamsalad
02-05-2009, 03:14 PM
well i would think you have to WANT to learn... obviously even though i wasnt very good I would just sit there and play the guitar for like 8 hours or so when i first started....you have to really WANT to do it; can't force yourself or anything

[Edit]: But If i were you I would take some lessons.

RAINFIRE
02-05-2009, 03:32 PM
ohh man i have been trying to learn for so long and just can't do it. I personally only want to learn so i can play Jack Johnson but it won't work for me any suggestions?

Hey i just started a little over a year ago and i started casually plaing and then started to teach myself. Then i acually found an actual guitar class. Now that was great. But they biggest thing i can tell you is that if a song has you beat, find another one that you can work on, and that song and practicing that one should help you with the one you want to play right now. Each song has its own unique exercises. Back when i could not play anything in Wanted Dead or Alive (easy opening once you know what to do, but great very technical guitarist in my opinion). So I moved on, now after going back to it every so often i can now play lots of the song (hate solos >_<) and using that method i can play some of Sweet Child O' Mine (great opening lick, its quite fun) when i used to struggle with it. "Here Without You" by 3 Doors Down was a good one to learn because i was easily able to self teach myself how to finger pick even though in the class we are not getting to that for another few months. So move on a little and come back to it, it takes time to get good (thats coming from a guy who has only been playing a little over a year... well i am not that good so i guess it still fits).

Cheers!

Thegide
02-05-2009, 04:05 PM
thegide ...whats your opinion on kirk hammet. . my guitar teacher talks some crap about him and just says half his solos start w/ the 7-10 bend thing (he does it three times) and does this triple pattern pentatonic starting on the high E string; and he does the full scale every time.

and it also bugs him because some of the stuff he doesnt isn't very clean at all. I think he is kind of biased casue the kinds of music he likes but i can kind of hear it

See, I find this funny. The guitar playing community as a whole seems to thrive off of bashing other musicians, all of which who are likely more talented than they. I always wrote it off as an ego/jealously thing.

I pretty much grew up idolizing Kirk Hammett, but as a matured and experienced player, I'm tend to agree that your teacher does have somewhat of a point.

From a songwriting perspective, there seems to be a lot of repetition (i.e. the 3-note pedal point hammer-on/pulloffs in Enter Sandman solo) in his solos in terms of reusing licks and his scale runs are often very predictable runs of ascending or descending triplets or quadruplets (i.e. The Shortest Straw). Even the solos on Death Magnetic sound as if they were pulled directly from Ride The Lightning, Master Of Puppets, or ...And Justice for All.

Compared to some other lesser-known players of his era (i.e. Paul Gilbert, Marty Friedman, Jason Becker, Michael Angelo) he certainly can't compete from a technical skill perspective. I wouldn't go so far to call him a sloppy player, but there are a few solos where mistakes and sloppy playing show. In the "One" solo, those fast 3-note pull-offs are randomly inverted, which means his tapping hand is out-of-sync with his fretting hand. In other solos, there are fast ascending bits where the scale structure falls apart and it looks as if he is hitting the wrong notes (or random notes) because he can't play it properly.

I certainly don't think he is a crap player - the solos on ...and Justice are indeed tricky and he pulls it off on the album. Maybe he's not technically proficient enough to shred 16th notes at 200bpm or pull off long streches of wild sweep arps, but then again, not many people in his era were able to either. The bar is now raised, and I think there are possibly thousands of bedroom guitarists capable of matching or exceeding his skill.

Hamsalad
02-05-2009, 04:29 PM
hmm...i wish i knew which pattern in particular he really made fun of its one in one of his new songs but it kind of sounds like one in the devil went down to georgia... that one he said is really sloppy..

i think the pattern is done all on the high E and you use like your first third and last finger and move towards your head stock in a pattern and its pretty fast.

and he said the same thing i asked him if there were a lot of people better than kirk out there and he said there were thousands he was sure. (but its obviously not ALL skill. he can make some cool riffs he was in a band that makes good songs)

i think i agree w/ you about musicians making fun of others im sure its often cause of their ego. my teacher is quite good but i know that kind of music isnt his cup of tea so i figured he was quite biased although he does highly respect dime bag; which i feel was an incredible guitarist.

i know he kind of mimiced the solo from memory of "walk" and i was impressed i could tell it was a diminished scale... my ears getting a lot better. i know he can just listen to a song and play it

Thegide
02-05-2009, 05:45 PM
Being able to figure out a song by ear like that is something that comes with time and experience. It's more an auditory learning thing than anything. Experienced musicians can often pick out a song's key or mode (scale) simply by listening.

Did you happen to watch the youtube video in my first post (Become the Catalyst)? I transcribed that solo by ear because there were no accurate tab for the solo anywhere - some of it I was able to figure out naturally, but some of it I had to slow the song down to figure out. I couldn't have done that 10 years ago. And clearly, most other youtubers and tabbers can't either, because its very very rare to find an accurate tab these days...

Hamsalad
02-05-2009, 06:44 PM
ya i saw that one. i figured a music ear and rythem are both things you cant really force in a short amount of time like skill. Rythem i think you can force or try to practice alot more...so maybe musical ear is the only thing you cant really force... cause my rythem wasn't that great because i played by myself w/o drums or anything; i was pretty much winging it.

i remember when i very first started playing(this was my first instrument as well) its weird i pretty much had no concept of rythem. my friend (who had played the violin since he was like 3 and then the bass) hounded me hard core when me and a couple other friends were making a song (i could barely do power chords) and my friend was on bass and another guy was singing.

he got so mad because i wasnt on rythem and i really didnt even get what he meant. but as of lately i've been trying and focusing on rythem and it seems i've gotten better even lately and dramatically better from when i first started...started practicing w/ drum loops just doing the pentatonic improvising

[Edit]: i've also noticed my musical ear improving like i'll hit a first note and be like hey that sounds like such and such and can figure it out. (I make up a lot of my own stuff / tool around) The other day at my friends i was improvising and i figured out the riff for that one like child hood song....theres a place in france were the naked ladies dance....theres a hole in the wall where you can see it all...

lol i hit like the first 3 notes and was like wait a minute...thought it was pretty funny when i figured it out..i was like now if i could only figure out something useful; i've figured out the beginning to star wars too

Thegide
02-05-2009, 07:38 PM
And here's where I strongly encourage you to use a metronome when you sit down for a formal practice session. While it's not something my teacher ever had me do, I use a metronome with all of my students. What good is music if it's off time? How can you expect to play with anyone else if you can't keep perfect time?

Another useful tip:

One of the secrets to speed building is to use a metronome when learning new material. Begin at a tempo that is easy for you and at which you can play the passage perfectly. Slowly increment the metronome and stop at the tempo at which you cannot go faster without playing sloppy or making mistakes. Then edge the tempo up a bit, then back it down back to your "perfect" speed. Repeat.

qrtda235566
02-05-2009, 08:49 PM
See, I find this funny. The guitar playing community as a whole seems to thrive off of bashing other musicians, all of which who are likely more talented than they. I always wrote it off as an ego/jealously thing.

I pretty much grew up idolizing Kirk Hammett, but as a matured and experienced player, I'm tend to agree that your teacher does have somewhat of a point.

From a songwriting perspective, there seems to be a lot of repetition (i.e. the 3-note pedal point hammer-on/pulloffs in Enter Sandman solo) in his solos in terms of reusing licks and his scale runs are often very predictable runs of ascending or descending triplets or quadruplets (i.e. The Shortest Straw). Even the solos on Death Magnetic sound as if they were pulled directly from Ride The Lightning, Master Of Puppets, or ...And Justice for All.

Compared to some other lesser-known players of his era (i.e. Paul Gilbert, Marty Friedman, Jason Becker, Michael Angelo) he certainly can't compete from a technical skill perspective. I wouldn't go so far to call him a sloppy player, but there are a few solos where mistakes and sloppy playing show. In the "One" solo, those fast 3-note pull-offs are randomly inverted, which means his tapping hand is out-of-sync with his fretting hand. In other solos, there are fast ascending bits where the scale structure falls apart and it looks as if he is hitting the wrong notes (or random notes) because he can't play it properly.

I certainly don't think he is a crap player - the solos on ...and Justice are indeed tricky and he pulls it off on the album. Maybe he's not technically proficient enough to shred 16th notes at 200bpm or pull off long streches of wild sweep arps, but then again, not many people in his era were able to either. The bar is now raised, and I think there are possibly thousands of bedroom guitarists capable of matching or exceeding his skill.


OMFG, Marty Friedman for the win. Kirk Hammet does have some sloppy solos, especially One's tapping part. Apparently people think he's great for THAT solo, but he's not, he's great for some of his other stuff. Like the other parts in One. Maybe this is because I'm 14, but that one part in the beginning of Fade To Black is hard! :( It's like, a reach from the 14th fret on the 1st string to the 19th fret I think, and he does it pretty fast, and it's pretty difficult at first.

Anyone here hate Dragonforce and their crappy guitarist? He's NOT a professional. Honestly, there are people on Youtube with 3 views that are 100 times better than him. Dragonforce's songs are all the same, and yet they're famous. I'm jealous. :( Dragonforce fans who won't admit Dragon force sucks are like Metallica fans who won't admit that LARS ULRICH is a bad drummer. He really is mediocre, but unfortunately so are a lot of other metal drummers. But in the past couple years, I've seen metal shift from a focus on melody to a focus on rhythm, and a bunch of crazy drummers.

Wow, I must have ADD or something. :arg:

at least 12 different subjects in that post.

Hamsalad
02-05-2009, 09:00 PM
IDK i'll agree with you that I think dragon force sucks but i wouldn't say li herman sucks. He's got some shredding skills but from what i've heard he doesn't make THAT cool of riifs or melodic stuff etc . you can only have so much shredding. like van halen could shred like crazy and still make cool riffs or bucket head can shred like mad but doesn't have to in every song...well come to think of it theres a lot of people but just shred not stop doesnt appeal to me

qrtda235566
02-05-2009, 09:03 PM
IDK i'll agree with you that I think dragon force sucks but i wouldn't say li herman sucks. He's got some shredding skills but from what i've heard he doesn't make THAT cool of riifs or melodic stuff etc . you can only have so much shredding. like van halen could shred like crazy and still make cool riffs or bucket head can shred like mad but doesn't have to in every song...well come to think of it theres a lot of people but just shred not stop doesnt appeal to me

he cant shred. he can play random notes fast. i only consider it shredding if it's built around a scale. his playing is waaaaaaaaaaay too sloppy

Miglioshin
02-05-2009, 09:43 PM
It looks I'm late, but, anyway:

I have two Ibanez RG series (24 frets 3 pickups and 22 frets 2 pickups (no middle single coil) and a Marshall valvestate 2000.
I play since I was 18 (14 years now) and CANNOT swiftpick, I'm told my hands are too small to master it.
Usually I play Inflames (colony rules!) and Disturbed (All the songs from Belive, now I'm practiceing with Ten thousand fists).

At the moment I have a band formely known as ''Filthy Masquerade'', I write music and the lead voice writes lyrics.

We're looking for a keyboard-player (for some effects) but haven't found one yet.
We are: Lead vocals (male) - vocals (female) - and obviously drum, bass, 1 guitar (that's me).
Never had a gig until now, but we are planning to.

Thegide
02-06-2009, 01:16 AM
It looks I'm late, but, anyway:

I have two Ibanez RG series (24 frets 3 pickups and 22 frets 2 pickups (no middle single coil) and a Marshall valvestate 2000.
I play since I was 18 (14 years now) and CANNOT swiftpick, I'm told my hands are too small to master it.
Usually I play Inflames (colony rules!) and Disturbed (All the songs from Belive, now I'm practiceing with Ten thousand fists).

At the moment I have a band formely known as ''Filthy Masquerade'', I write music and the lead voice writes lyrics.

We're looking for a keyboard-player (for some effects) but haven't found one yet.
We are: Lead vocals (male) - vocals (female) - and obviously drum, bass, 1 guitar (that's me).
Never had a gig until now, but we are planning to.

Unless you have the hands of a 2-year old, I'm going to say its entirely possible! If Michael Romeo can play *like that* with his sausage fingers, anyone can.

I've been playing 17 years and have never had a gig either. It's just not something I ever strive for. Not the kind of person that likes being the center of attention. At least youtube lets me do it anonymously :P

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Ok, let me chime in my two cents on Dragonforce, since I happen to be especially opinionated on their matter.

Regarding technical skill: Yes Herman and his sexually-confused sidekick Sam have a decent degree of technical ability. But the ILLUSION they present with their music is that they are the fastest players on earth. Wrong, because half of it is fake. How do you fake solos? A thousand takes in the studio with some fancy editing to pull together the occasions where you nailed parts of it. It's one thing to play a part of something hard once... its another thing to play the entire solo start to finish without mistake consistently. How you do fake a solo live? Even easier! Muddy up your sound, hide behind wah wah pedals and Digitech whammy effects, and nobody can actually tell what you're playing! It just sounds like something like what you heard on the record. I would probably have a lot more respect if they toned down the fantasy speed guitar playing and stuck with something that was better matched with their skill.

For the record, I have seen Dragonforce play live. It's embarassing. I would be ashamed if it were me.

Regarding songwriting ability: Here's where the plane crashes into the mountain. Joe Satriani summed it up best when he said something along the lines of "its suffocating, they don't know how to let their music breathe". And he's absolutely correct. Listening to Dragonforce gives me an anxiety attack and sends my blood pressure through the ceiling. I can't breathe. On top of that, I have yet to hear them write anything even moderately original. Mostly I hear them speeding up riffs that are ripped right out of a lot of 80s hair and power metal.

Regarding image: They destroy the credibility of shred metal. Sam acts like a 12 year old girl on stage and off, wears low-rider too-tight jeans and hasn't figured out that long hair with a bald spot in the center is as offensive as sandals with socks. Over the top "major scale" feel with gratuitous shots of hair-whipping juxtaposed against images of dragons and videogames makes me feel like I'm catching homo. I'm not kidding.

I absolutely love guitar shredding, but for the life of me, I can't stomach the aural diarrhea Dragonforce produces. Please fade back into the shadows, now.

RAINFIRE
02-06-2009, 02:00 AM
Hey guys i just started looking at Californication and One by metalica, some pretty cool melodies in there, just the main ones for each though, any tips on next songs or tips for these songs?

Cheers!

Thegide
02-06-2009, 03:34 AM
ohh man i have been trying to learn for so long and just can't do it. I personally only want to learn so i can play Jack Johnson but it won't work for me any suggestions?

I'd suggest trying to find some casual lessons for a beginner. There are some basic skills an instructor can help you master quickly, but more importantly, they can identify and correct major problems with posture and technique that might be impeding your progress.


Hey guys i just started looking at Californication and One by metalica, some pretty cool melodies in there, just the main ones for each though, any tips on next songs or tips for these songs?
Cheers!

Have you tried (or like) any of the Billy Talent stuff? There's a pretty cool riff that's probably right up your alley at the beginning of "Devil in a Midnight Mass" Actually, there's a lot of good stuff on their "II" CD.

RAINFIRE
02-06-2009, 03:42 PM
actually i have that song, never thought about playing it on guitar though, thanks for the tip, i will check it out, and will try to have most of the riffs down today. thanks thegide

Cheers!

Hamsalad
02-06-2009, 04:05 PM
I like my instructer but we don't mesh 100% on music...IDK i kind of want him to be more serious too. i'm pretty sure he's used to kids and them coming in and saying teach me this song. I like learning songs but i'm more interested in improving my general technique and playing.

ooo just thought of a song i want to learn that i think rainoffire said too... bon jovi dead or alive thats got some sweet guitaring...and you summerized dragon force perfectly.

i think another song i was going to learn w/ my friend that plays bass is the gorillas feel good inc....its got a pretty wicked bass line and i think it would be fun to play w/ friends

Alex™
02-06-2009, 04:38 PM
anyone like Children of Bodom? i have been trying to learn Living Dead Beat :D

video:YouTube - Children of Bodom - Living Dead Beat (live one)
YouTube - Children Of Bodom- Living Dead Beat (studio one)

dragonforce are... meh lol BFMV are good though :)

qrtda235566
02-06-2009, 07:00 PM
Unless you have the hands of a 2-year old, I'm going to say its entirely possible! If Michael Romeo can play *like that* with his sausage fingers, anyone can.

I've been playing 17 years and have never had a gig either. It's just not something I ever strive for. Not the kind of person that likes being the center of attention. At least youtube lets me do it anonymously :P

------------

Ok, let me chime in my two cents on Dragonforce, since I happen to be especially opinionated on their matter.

Regarding technical skill: Yes Herman and his sexually-confused sidekick Sam have a decent degree of technical ability. But the ILLUSION they present with their music is that they are the fastest players on earth. Wrong, because half of it is fake. How do you fake solos? A thousand takes in the studio with some fancy editing to pull together the occasions where you nailed parts of it. It's one thing to play a part of something hard once... its another thing to play the entire solo start to finish without mistake consistently. How you do fake a solo live? Even easier! Muddy up your sound, hide behind wah wah pedals and Digitech whammy effects, and nobody can actually tell what you're playing! It just sounds like something like what you heard on the record. I would probably have a lot more respect if they toned down the fantasy speed guitar playing and stuck with something that was better matched with their skill.

For the record, I have seen Dragonforce play live. It's embarassing. I would be ashamed if it were me.

Regarding songwriting ability: Here's where the plane crashes into the mountain. Joe Satriani summed it up best when he said something along the lines of "its suffocating, they don't know how to let their music breathe". And he's absolutely correct. Listening to Dragonforce gives me an anxiety attack and sends my blood pressure through the ceiling. I can't breathe. On top of that, I have yet to hear them write anything even moderately original. Mostly I hear them speeding up riffs that are ripped right out of a lot of 80s hair and power metal.

Regarding image: They destroy the credibility of shred metal. Sam acts like a 12 year old girl on stage and off, wears low-rider too-tight jeans and hasn't figured out that long hair with a bald spot in the center is as offensive as sandals with socks. Over the top "major scale" feel with gratuitous shots of hair-whipping juxtaposed against images of dragons and videogames makes me feel like I'm catching homo. I'm not kidding.

I absolutely love guitar shredding, but for the life of me, I can't stomach the aural diarrhea Dragonforce produces. Please fade back into the shadows, now.

I agree 100%.

I think they would be better if they focused on songwriting more. You can still be a great band without having the best guitarist in the world. If you aren't the best guitarist in the world, shut up and play a modest solo.

I can't say I like Screamo bands like BFMV too much, plus they very well could be one of those bands put together by record companies for money. Never heard them play live. COB is good. For some reason my brother hates keyboards, but I think they can certainly add zaz to a song, like Rainbow In the Dark's main hook is that keyboard riff.

I found metal these days to be lacking something....It seems so shallow. All about speed these days. Is it me, or are slower songs usually heavier than fast songs? And screaming doesn't really appeal to me. Hurts my ears. I know a lot of kids at my school love it, but I think those are the kids who will be listening to Lil Wayne in a couple months. I want originality now. I want a classic rock band!

Thegide
02-06-2009, 07:05 PM
If you aren't the best guitarist in the world, shut up and play a modest solo.

Man, that totally cracked me up! I'm going to spam this quote all over youtube later.

I should start a thread showcasing some of the epically bad guitar playing dumped on the internet^^. But, perhaps that is too cruel...

Hamsalad
02-06-2009, 07:05 PM
ya i never knew he put his solos together like that but it makes sense...thats why i respect a lot of the older music more...the guys who actually recorded songs in one sitting AS A BAND! and not all in pecies and peice the **** together because they cant even play their own music

also awesome i agree i dont care for screaming

Thegide
02-06-2009, 07:11 PM
You know it does hurt my ego a bit to know that Alexi Laiho is my age... I mean I can play his stuff, but I'd be ignorant to think that I'm as good as him^^. Plus being able to sing on top of that... I have to give him lots of respect.

I've got a friend who hates keyboards in metal with a passion. I personally don't understand this at all... but I'm also a big prog fan. Dream Theater, Symphony X, Angra, Rush, Liquid Tension Experiment, King Crimson, Devin Townsend... lots of keys. There's lots you can do on a keyboard that you can't replicate on a guitar, and obviously vice versa. So, they complement each other perfectly as far as I'm concerned.

Alex™
02-06-2009, 07:19 PM
@Awesomemans - i have seen BFMV live maybe 8 times.... they are amazing!

Hamsalad
02-06-2009, 07:25 PM
i'm sure i'll feel like a newb after i find out but whos BFMV

Thegide
02-06-2009, 07:26 PM
Bullet For My Valentine

Hamsalad
02-06-2009, 07:29 PM
ah.... i dont really listen to that stuff

qrtda235566
02-06-2009, 09:03 PM
Anyone here like King Diamond?


YouTube - King Diamond "Give Me Your Soul"

That solo is SOOOO old-school. Gotta love it.

Whalio Cappuccino
02-06-2009, 10:25 PM
What are your guys' thoughts on Tom Morello? I have hit a stage where I love AudioSlave, and I'm constantly tabbing out the songs and trying to play them.

Last two days, tried to perfect this song, and not trying to sound ignorant, but I'm almost there.

YouTube - Audioslave - Be Yourself

Yes, I know that the solo isn't "OMGHOLYCRAPWHATISHEPLAYINGWOWHEISPRO"

But I tend to stick with music that kind of talks, the way he uses the guitar is amazing in my opinion.

What are your thoughts? If any?

Hamsalad
02-06-2009, 10:30 PM
Ya tom morello is a really really good guitarist; he can make the guitar talk pretyt much. audio slave wasn't down my alley too much but i still respect him as a musician and i know what you mean about the solo not being crazy but then again it doesnt have to be. Dragon force can take a lesson from tom. i would say his solos are a lot better and about 1/50th of the speed.

but i like his rage agaisnt the machine style better. thats just my preference though

qrtda235566
02-06-2009, 10:38 PM
Tom is pretty awesome, yeah. I love RATM, they're the only rap-metal band who isn't horrible. But Limp Bizkit's cover of Sanitarium was surprisingly good.

Hamsalad
02-06-2009, 10:44 PM
i know some people don't like them but i actually like linkin park; not sure why i just do.

RAINFIRE
02-06-2009, 10:46 PM
pretty sweet Whaaaaale I think i should try and put a Tom Morrello song in to my repitouar (have absolutely no clue on how to spell it, must have goten my bad spelling from my mom... who was a nurse... >_>), oh and i Really like some of the songs by Linkin Park, especially...


YouTube - Linkin Park - What I've Done [Official Music Video]


Cheers!

Hamsalad
02-06-2009, 10:54 PM
hey my moms a nurse too! and the first read through i undestood what you meant so you got the job done fine... also thats one of my favorite linkin park songs

qrtda235566
02-06-2009, 10:55 PM
I hate Linkin Park.... Want to murder them all.

Hamsalad
02-06-2009, 10:58 PM
i thought i rememberd you hating them...oh well i like em.

[Edit]: Even though I believe I heard they were formed by WB... pretty crazy

qrtda235566
02-07-2009, 12:18 AM
So...Anyone here hear Marty Friedman's solo from Victory? It's awesome.

Hamsalad
02-07-2009, 12:19 AM
no i need to diversify my guitaring portforlio more dont think i've heard of him

qrtda235566
02-07-2009, 12:23 AM
no i need to diversify my guitaring portforlio more dont think i've heard of him

Check out these guitarists, Ham


-Marty Friedman (Megadeth)
-Chris Broderick (Megadeth)
-Steve Vai
-Alex Skolnick (Testament)

And pretty much anyone taught by Joe Satriani. And if you haven't checked out Satriani, then you should be ashamed of yourself.

Hamsalad
02-07-2009, 12:43 AM
you must love megadeath...lol; i do know they have some good guitarist. i know i've heard stories of steve vai i think i heard one of his songs it was pretty cool. I think that joe satriani taught kirk hammett AFTER he got famous...and no i havn't checked him out... im like the most hard core about guitar out of any of my friends so i don't have anyone to guide me D:

qrtda235566
02-07-2009, 12:54 AM
you must love megadeath...lol; i do know they have some good guitarist. i know i've heard stories of steve vai i think i heard one of his songs it was pretty cool. I think that joe satriani taught kirk hammett AFTER he got famous...and no i havn't checked him out... im like the most hard core about guitar out of any of my friends so i don't have anyone to guide me D:

W-w-hat?!?!?!?

YOU HAVE NEVER LISTENED TO JOE SATRIANI OR STEVE VAI!?!?!

Go listen to For the Love of God and If I could Fly, two great songs, one of which was ripped off by cold play.

Hamsalad
02-07-2009, 12:55 AM
i think i heard a steve vai song not joe i dont think.....maybe; but ya ill check them out 4 sure

Foofles
02-07-2009, 03:33 AM
Howdy, you can count me in as another guitarist. I play across many styles but I mostly gravitate towards blues and rock. I have way too many guitars to list but my main solidbody is an Ibanez JEM from when they had the cases with the pink carpetting inside, I sold off most of my amps but I mainly fiddle on a Mesa/Boogie rectoverb and a Fender Blues Jr.

And I love Satch and Vai ^^^ You should definitely check them out, ham.

Alex™
02-07-2009, 09:45 AM
omg! easy riff that ( i don't think) hasnt been mentioned - Walk by Pantera!

YouTube - Avenged Sevenfold - Walk (Cover) Live Rock Am Ring 2006 (lol i just like A7X...)
YouTube - Pantera - Walk (Live at monster of Rock in Milano) (pantera live)

also satch and vai = win.

qrtda235566
02-07-2009, 11:30 AM
Eeew....That intro was a little sloppy....A7X needs to kill their bass player.

Thegide
02-07-2009, 05:22 PM
Ya tom morello is a really really good guitarist; he can make the guitar talk pretyt much. audio slave wasn't down my alley too much but i still respect him as a musician and i know what you mean about the solo not being crazy but then again it doesnt have to be. Dragon force can take a lesson from tom. i would say his solos are a lot better and about 1/50th of the speed.

but i like his rage agaisnt the machine style better. thats just my preference though

Ewww... Tom Morello. Fantastic. Now I get to be hated upon by everyone. I think Tom Morello sucks, and for valid reason. I happen to like RATM a lot, but as far as guitar players go, there isn't anything Tom does that impresses me. He's a one-trick pony with his surgically attached Digitech Whammy pedal (I used to have one myself). Aside from pitch shifting half the notes in every solo, I'm not sure what other talent he possesses. I didn't actually *dislike* him until Audioslave, when it became disgustingly apparent how creatively limited he is. I forget the name of one very radio-popular song, but I distinctly remember its solo that sounded like a cat being put in a blender... it was like a random mess of out of tune/off key notes being gutted by the whammy pedal. I literally thought he forgot how to play guitar... it sounded terrible, much like giving a 12 year old their first guitar lesson. I think his Whammy pedal style was a novelty that gave him fame, but its becoming embarassingly evident that he's not capable of much else.

In short: one-trick pony who lacks technical skill and lacks any innovation and diversity. Oh, and I totally kicked his butt in GH3.


Check out these guitarists, Ham

-Marty Friedman (Megadeth)
-Chris Broderick (Megadeth)
-Steve Vai
-Alex Skolnick (Testament)

And pretty much anyone taught by Joe Satriani. And if you haven't checked out Satriani, then you should be ashamed of yourself.

Fantastic choices! I think Broderick is part time with Nevermore these days as well. He's a far better player than Jeff Loomis and he's got some serious two handed technique going on.

For the Satch-ignorant... the album to pick up is "Surfing with the Alien". Also, I recommend the songs War and Summer Song off "The Extremist". Of the more recent albums, check out "Crystal Planet"


Howdy, you can count me in as another guitarist. I play across many styles but I mostly gravitate towards blues and rock. I have way too many guitars to list but my main solidbody is an Ibanez JEM from when they had the cases with the pink carpetting inside, I sold off most of my amps but I mainly fiddle on a Mesa/Boogie rectoverb and a Fender Blues Jr.

And I love Satch and Vai ^^^ You should definitely check them out, ham.

Woo, another JEM owner! Pics please!

qrtda235566
02-07-2009, 08:12 PM
Ewww... Tom Morello. Fantastic. Now I get to be hated upon by everyone. I think Tom Morello sucks, and for valid reason. I happen to like RATM a lot, but as far as guitar players go, there isn't anything Tom does that impresses me. He's a one-trick pony with his surgically attached Digitech Whammy pedal (I used to have one myself). Aside from pitch shifting half the notes in every solo, I'm not sure what other talent he possesses. I didn't actually *dislike* him until Audioslave, when it became disgustingly apparent how creatively limited he is. I forget the name of one very radio-popular song, but I distinctly remember its solo that sounded like a cat being put in a blender... it was like a random mess of out of tune/off key notes being gutted by the whammy pedal. I literally thought he forgot how to play guitar... it sounded terrible, much like giving a 12 year old their first guitar lesson. I think his Whammy pedal style was a novelty that gave him fame, but its becoming embarassingly evident that he's not capable of much else.

In short: one-trick pony who lacks technical skill and lacks any innovation and diversity. Oh, and I totally kicked his butt in GH3.


You're right. Now you get to get hated on by everyone. I found that a lot of his RATM stuff was very good. Even his normal solos. He's not a total shredder, but he is an innovator. The first to put weird *** noises in his guitar solos.

Foofles
02-08-2009, 01:58 AM
Woo, another JEM owner! Pics please!

I bought it online, and here is when I first unpacked it a few years ago.

I don't mean to be a Vai fanboy, it's just a very well-made guitar. :)

qrtda235566
02-08-2009, 02:06 AM
I bought it online, and here is when I first unpacked it a few years ago.

I don't mean to be a Vai fanboy, it's just a very well-made guitar. :)

Aw, that's kewl. I want one! It has a hole in it. :o

better than my crapstrat.

And yes that is the new official names for those Value-pack strats...Crapstrats.

I MAED IT!

Foofles
02-08-2009, 02:10 AM
Aw, that's kewl. I want one! It has a hole in it. :o

better than my crapstrat.

And yes that is the new official names for those Value-pack strats...Crapstrats.

I MAED IT!

Ha, they're **OK**... I started on an even worse guitar... the Synsonics Terminator.
(click for pic - source not mine.)
http://www.theguitarcollection.org.uk/gallery6/synsonics.jpg

I think mine is still hanging around my grandma's house, someplace...

Thegide
02-08-2009, 04:28 AM
I bought it online, and here is when I first unpacked it a few years ago.

I don't mean to be a Vai fanboy, it's just a very well-made guitar. :)

Very nice VWH! And I couldn't agree more about the construction. I don't have the scalloped 21-24 on mine, but it plays like a dream and surprisingly so given that it's a bolt on neck with passive pickups.

Pics of mine on the first page.

Foofles
02-08-2009, 04:38 AM
Nice! Great gear, and that's pretty amazing that you got it autographed!

qrtda235566
02-08-2009, 02:14 PM
I wrote Monster Mash on my old acoustic guitar. It was real small and real crappy, just like in the movie!

Who names themself Dragonforce anyway? Totally going for the kids in school who get spit on and shoved into lockers and their lunch money taken from them.

Leather-Monkey
02-08-2009, 08:27 PM
Lol 'Dragon Force' :p the name says it all! The guitarist is definatley talented (and chinese I think :p) but there is nothing in their songs that reach out to me. Did anyone know about this band before GH3?

qrtda235566
02-08-2009, 08:44 PM
Lol 'Dragon Force' :p the name says it all! The guitarist is definatley talented (and chinese I think :p) but there is nothing in their songs that reach out to me. Did anyone know about this band before GH3?

Their guitarist is talented but needs to work on his playing. Seriously. He needs to clean up his solos bad, and Dragonforce as a whole needs to stop writing the same song over and over again.

Thegide
02-09-2009, 03:48 AM
Dragonforce is to 14 year old boys what Hannah Montana is to 14 year old girls. Need I say more?

And yes, I heard of them when Inhuman Rampage was released (because of Through the Fire and Flames), but that wasn't long before GH3 came out. They didn't hit big with their previous 2(?) albums... and it looks like they didn't hit big with their latest album either. One hit wonder is what I'm thinking.

Foofles
02-09-2009, 04:02 AM
I had heard of them way before guitar hero existed, they're not too horrible.

Side note - I never played guitar hero and have no intention of...

Hamsalad
02-09-2009, 02:10 PM
whats everyone's stance on avenge sevenfolds lead guitarist? From what i've heard even though some songs remind me of like castlevania music he has some skill.

Thegide
02-09-2009, 02:46 PM
From what I've heard of their music so far, which isn't much, he's not bad. Nothing too difficult though - I could probably play any of it. What's his name anyways?

Alex™
02-09-2009, 04:04 PM
HAVE you even seen what i have been posting!!! lol Synyster Gates is like my favorite guitarist!!!

Hamsalad
02-09-2009, 05:26 PM
i'm a newb i guess thought that was the brand of guitars you were talking about

Thegide
02-09-2009, 05:45 PM
As a general rule, I pay little to no attention to anything produced by A7X, so I guess I haven't seen it :)

And here I would have guessed that Dave Murray was your favorite guitarist!

Alex™
02-09-2009, 05:51 PM
lol no... Slash was, but Syn.... awesome :) Zacky Vengeance is a good rhythm player aswell :D A7X ftw!!!! and all of maidens guitaris are like :O good!

qrtda235566
02-09-2009, 07:15 PM
From what I've heard of their music so far, which isn't much, he's not bad. Nothing too difficult though - I could probably play any of it. What's his name anyways?

Well, aren't you special? You are SOOOO SMUG!



:p

Slash is overrated.

Alex™
02-09-2009, 07:21 PM
Slash is NOT overrated. go away. now. i don't want to see you in here again! how dare you!

Hamsalad
02-09-2009, 08:35 PM
idk i really like slash...he makes cool riffs. and he doesnt rely on just pure shredding for his solos (see kirk hammett and herman li(probably a lot of others)). he puts a lot of feel and soul into it but also can shred.

my favorite solo prob of all time goes to november rains 3rd solo

Thegide
02-09-2009, 09:23 PM
Well, aren't you special? You are SOOOO SMUG!

Haha... thanks for the laugh. I realize that might have come off a bit pompous, but I was trying to point it the other way around.

But if its going to come down to a "prove it" contest, I'll have a vid for you in a few days hopefully^^


Slash is overrated.


Slash is NOT overrated. go away. now. i don't want to see you in here again! how dare you!

The overuse of the word "overrated" has lost all credibility and meaning on the internets. It can be used to mean any of the following:

- I don't like something
- I think there is better out there
- Everyone else likes something and I want to be different (antimainstream syndrome)
- I'm a total idiot

Alex™
02-09-2009, 09:26 PM
PROVE IT!!! i want the afterlife and beast and the harlot solos. now.

Thegide
02-09-2009, 09:34 PM
I want a 7-string Universe, a Gibson Explorer, and a new acoustic. Now. O wait, life doesn't work that way.

Of course, I say that kiddingly. But truthfully, I'm not about to go and learn solos for songs I don't give a crap about just to prove I can play them to people on the internet. Sorry. I might change my mind and attempt to learn BatH... maybe.

Instead, I offer you a video of myself pulling off this, which I argue is more difficult than either of those solos:
http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=140907&postcount=49

I'm *very* close to having this one nailed... as of last week, was able to hit this perfectly a few bpms shy of full speed. Once my exams are over tomorrow, I'm going to get back on the videocam until I have my clip.

Alex™
02-09-2009, 09:37 PM
sorry if i sounded like a....i'm not even going to say it :D i just want to see someone play tehm, cos i love them :D

Zommy
02-09-2009, 09:37 PM
ok i dont play guitar but i play drums.
so i know enough to know what all these EMG pickups are and stuff...

my mates lucky his stuff are...
:Gibson Les Paul 67- i think its 67
:Fender Strat 59
:Ibanez V
:A coupe basses - not sure which ones...
: 3 Stacks - 2 are marshall stacks which are both 3 stack, and a fender Stack which is 2 stack
:about 20 FX pedals such as Wah-Wah Flanger Death Metal Whammy ETC...
:2 gibson acoustics
:3 fender acoustics
:Gretsch
: Oh and how can i forget he has a Dean From Hell CFH - Dimebag Darrell Replica
http://www.deanguitars.com/bnds_v1/dean_from_hell_cfh_enlarged.htm
Hes saving up to buy a Baito replica as well...
All pickups he has are Humbuckers or EMGs and Floyd Roses

i want the V
ITS SMEXY

Alex™
02-09-2009, 09:43 PM
For those who don't know:

afterlife solo: YouTube - Synyster Gates - Afterlife Solo
Beast and teh Harlot solo:YouTube - Avenged Sevenfold - Beast and the Harlot (Live in the LBC) DVD
(solo starts at 2:02)

Whalio Cappuccino
02-09-2009, 09:54 PM
Does anyone know if Chinese Democracy was played by Slash? A lot of people have told me that almost all of the original GnR members either are in rehab or left, can anyone confirm, just out of curiosity.

Alex™
02-09-2009, 09:55 PM
No he had nothing to do with it. I belive buckethead was on shcklers revenge though

Zommy
02-09-2009, 09:56 PM
GnR - Chinese Democracy was mostly guitar tracked by buckethead...
its a terrible CD
they have gone to the worst band

Hamsalad
02-09-2009, 09:58 PM
ok i dont play guitar but i play drums.
so i know enough to know what all these EMG pickups are and stuff...

my mates lucky his stuff are...
:Gibson Les Paul 67- i think its 67
:Fender Strat 59
:Ibanez V
:A coupe basses - not sure which ones...
: 3 Stacks - 2 are marshall stacks which are both 3 stack, and a fender Stack which is 2 stack
:about 20 FX pedals such as Wah-Wah Flanger Death Metal Whammy ETC...
:2 gibson acoustics
:3 fender acoustics
:Gretsch
: Oh and how can i forget he has a Dean From Hell CFH - Dimebag Darrell Replica
http://www.deanguitars.com/bnds_v1/dean_from_hell_cfh_enlarged.htm
Hes saving up to buy a Baito replica as well...
All pickups he has are Humbuckers or EMGs and Floyd Roses

i want the V
ITS SMEXY

baito as in michael angelo baito ? if so that guy is a weirdo. my instructor went to one of his guitar clinics and he makes like weird noises and does voices talking out of the side of his mouth. and hes got that crazy ugly wig idk what he was thinking when he picked that out....

and that side double guitar ok kind of cool but i saw a pic of him w/ a guitar of 4 necks total.....its like dude come on....

also when he does this hand flip thing he eventually starts going so fast he doesnt even hit the notes anymore.

also i like the afterlife solo.

[Edit]: Also I like the chinese democ. song and also the shack revenge. mainly cause the guitaring the other songs are crap though

Zommy
02-09-2009, 10:18 PM
i know hes a total loser the 4 neck is just like WTF you cant play 4 necks at the same time so whats the point...
guess he just wants to try show everyone up and become the worlds best... NEVER gunna happen.
I know he sucks and his guitars but my friends changed his mind to KGs - kyle Gass' version from the movie

Thegide
02-09-2009, 10:31 PM
Michael Angelo Batio may be a dinkus, but he's pretty incredible. I mean the guy can shred ambidextrously. If you can find it, check out his instructional video called "Speed Kills." The 4 neck thing was totally for showoff, but it's pretty funny to hear him talk about it.

He was doing overhand shred crap back when Herman Li was still in diapers, once again proving that Dragonforce is only good at ripping off other people.

Zommy
02-09-2009, 10:36 PM
dragonforce are the worst band EVER
Bring me the horizon Are the best band EVER
i nEVER put caitals when a word has EVER in it EVER i nEVER EVER EVER do that
isnt that annoying? bit like herman li then

Hamsalad
02-09-2009, 10:44 PM
its pretty funny my guitar instructors friends got a picture of them standing next to him.....they did a couple edits in photoshop.

one was they made everyone bald. the second was they gave everyone michael angelos hair cut lol ahhaah. also the ambidexterous playing is pretty good i think he just tries to show off too much instead of making actual good music (but then again good music isnt something anyone can deffine.)

i'm just saying he does scales for whole songs really fast or just shreds way too much instead of making real songs w/ soul or feel to them

qrtda235566
02-10-2009, 01:07 AM
Michael Angelo Batio may be a dinkus, but he's pretty incredible. I mean the guy can shred ambidextrously. If you can find it, check out his instructional video called "Speed Kills." The 4 neck thing was totally for showoff, but it's pretty funny to hear him talk about it.

He was doing overhand shred crap back when Herman Li was still in diapers, once again proving that Dragonforce is only good at ripping off other people.

That and they can't do the overhand thing the way MAB does it.

Foofles
02-10-2009, 01:26 AM
MAB pretty much has technique and theory down as far as anyone could ever hope to, I actually enjoy his songs where he isn't just constantly ejaculating notes. I still like speed kills/no boundaries for working on the chops.

Thegide
02-10-2009, 02:31 AM
PROVE IT!!! i want the afterlife and beast and the harlot solos. now.

Proved.
YouTube - A7x - Beast and the Harlot solo


It could be cleaner, but given that I only spent about an hour learning it and the internet tabs are inaccurate, it's not bad. Anyways, my point was that it wasn't too hard ;)

RAINFIRE
02-10-2009, 03:35 AM
0.0... 0.0... 0.0... WOW... ok now that is shredding... and only an hour! are you serious?! DANG man

@Ham.... dude you are not the only newb here. So no worries there.

Cheers!

Alex™
02-10-2009, 06:08 AM
wow. i am suitably impressed. and i hate you now >_< lol

Whalio Cappuccino
02-10-2009, 07:10 AM
Proved.
YouTube - A7x - Beast and the Harlot solo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8FvemxIqzg)


It could be cleaner, but given that I only spent about an hour learning it and the internet tabs are inaccurate, it's not bad. Anyways, my point was that it wasn't too hard ;)

I hate you now too... I'll never be able to play anything like that, I just don't get how you did it in under an hour...

Thegide
02-10-2009, 11:59 AM
Well I was already familiar with the song having played GH2 back in its day.

Of the two net tabs I pulled, one was flat out wrong for most of the solo, the other one was close. By ear I was able to fix what I felt was wrong about it.

The big thing to practice for this solo is the chromatic scale (that's the scale made up of all the notes) arranged in 4 note-per-string patterns. Quick theory lesson - the chromatic scale is a synthetic (artificial), symmetrical (mirror image with respect to note intervals) scale.

Since about 75% of this solo is running the chromatic scale up and down, most of it was a no-brainer. There were really only two parts that required some practice...the first is that huge jump from the high notes at the 21st fret all the way down to the low frets near the beginning. It's fast, and there's a very quick pit stop along the way. This is by far the most difficult part. The second is the quick note clusters that follow this. These are 16th note triplets at 150bpm. You're either this fast from lots of practice already, or you're not. The big problem here is that its not clear exactly *what* he's playing (though it is still chromatic) - and here's where all the tabs sound wrong.

So yeah. Difficulty I'd rate about 6/10. I'll do a few more takes tonight and try to record something played over top of the album track. I violated a big rule here by not recording this against a metronome so the timing isn't great and it's clearly sloppy in places. But, learning, practicing, and recording a decent take in a single night is pretty good I think, no?

Alex™
02-10-2009, 03:52 PM
6/10?!!?! are you ehre to make me feel bad about myself?? :'( lol

Thegide
02-10-2009, 05:26 PM
If I wanted you to feel bad about yourself, I would post something like this:

YouTube - Rusty Cooley Super Fast Arpeggios... AMAZING!!!

Crap. Now I feel bad about myself too... haha.

Hamsalad
02-10-2009, 05:43 PM
i saw that guy...he is pretty awesome at sweeping thats for sure. not sure how he would fair about making up his own stuff though. but i kind of had a feeling the after life solo was a chromatic.

i think the chromatic scale was the first one i learnt either that or minor pentatonic. I still practice the chromatic a lot i can do it pretty quick forward and back started practicing string skipping with it too.

is the after life solo string skipping with it?

Thegide
02-10-2009, 06:50 PM
I have Rusty's self titled debut album. There's no doubt he can write as well as shred. Check out the song "outworld" I think there is a youtube live clip. He's not as equally talented in that department, but he can definitely play with feeling and emotion and doesn't spend 100% of his time shredding away scales.

Nah, just arpeggios with the chromatic parts in Afterlife...

Hamsalad
02-10-2009, 06:55 PM
so you mean you only hit like 3 notes in the chromatic or you do all 4 notes? didn't think a chromatic could be an arppegio unless my view on what a chromatic is , is not 100% correct.

my impression of a chromatic (although it could just be one variety ) is i start with my first finger on the 3rd fret for example and then i do second finger on the 4th third on 5th fourth on 6th fret. and hit them in that order and scale the strings with them and go in reverse order on the way back up

[Edit]: Ah nvm... i think i know what you mean he just does arpeggio 's.. AND some chromatics?

Thegide
02-10-2009, 08:52 PM
yes to your edit.

here's another one of my favorites... this is worth watching for the whole 5 mins:

YouTube - Michael Romeo Demonstration

Hamsalad
02-10-2009, 09:04 PM
so when you say arpeggio i thought that was just picking out the notes of a chord...but i know sweep picking is generally doing an arpeggio right? so what is an arpeggio when you do it anywhere else on the guitar.....is it just a scale?

Thegide
02-10-2009, 10:21 PM
An arpeggio is the essentially a chord with its notes articulated (separated). Whether its sweep picked or not doesn't change whether its an arpeggio.

If you consider that an arp is made from the notes of a chord, its not really a scale, but would belong to any scale from which you could derive the chord.

Hamsalad
02-10-2009, 10:36 PM
i've seen you say arp a lot too what is that? i'm guessing its the patterns that they do sweeping BUT...if its an arpeggio then that means its part of a chord and they do it anywhere on the fretboard so....the only chords i really know of anywhere on the fret board are like the bar chords anywhere.

maybe my chord knowledge is limited but i'm just not sure what the arps are or how it is an arpeggio that they are sweeping instead of a scale( or are you saying they are scales but also arpeggios? like are they just sweeping like diminished / major / minor scales stuff like that?)

Thegide
02-11-2009, 12:26 AM
i think you're confusing yourself here... so forget everything you know for a second.

first "arp" is simply short for arpeggio. same thing.

now... to put this in context. let's take a chord. we'll use the C[major] chord for simplicity. it doesn't matter where you play it on the neck, whether it's barred or not. the C chord is made up of the notes C E G and only those notes. They can be repeated and at different octaves, but a chord comprised of only those notes will always be C major.

The C major scale contains the notes C D E F G A B. So the C major chord is part of the C major scale, because all of the notes of C chord are found in it.

When we play a typical C chord (the first way we learn! fingering --> (x-3-2-0-1-0)) the notes, in order (low to high) are... C-E-G-C-E.

If we play the C chord as a barre chord at the 8th fret (E major "shape") the notes in order are C-G-C-E-G-C.

Now... the simplest arp (arpeggio) you could play would be playing these notes exactly as they are in the chord. In other words, play the chord one note at a time. There. That is an arpeggio.

We can also add in the missing notes until we have a repeating pattern like this: C-E-G-C-E-G-C-E. This means including every C, E, or G along the way of your box shape. This is how your common arpeggio shapes are built - by adding in the missing notes to basic chord shapes. It is still a C chord, but you just can't strum it because inevitably this means that some strings have more than one note on them.

Sweeping is merely a picking technique that means you're picking across multiple strings in the same direction (like a strum, only slower). Just because you sweep something doesn't make it an arpeggio. And just because its an arpeggio doesn't mean you have to, or even should, sweep it. Arpeggios and sweeping are completely unrelated, except that it happens by chance that an easy way to play an arpeggio quickly is to sweep it.

So, in short:

Arpeggios are chords played one note at a time.
Chords are built from a few notes taken from a scale.
Arpeggios are not scales.
Sweeping is a picking technique and nothing more.

Hamsalad
02-11-2009, 02:17 AM
k got it... i think what threw me off the most was what patterns and everything people did when sweeping. and that arp was short for arpeggio. and that i knew an arpeggio was a chord picked out so i was confused how they could do the arpeggio anywhere but as you've pointed out you can do a scale wherever. Man I want you as my instructor lol.

also that romeo guy is pretty awesome. and i listend to your beast and the harlot solo I could deal you were doing a acending string skipping chromatic for one part. i actually started doing that for practice to kind of jazz up the chromatic.

i also have a triplet pentatonic pattern i know where its like your ascending and descending at the same time

RAINFIRE
02-11-2009, 11:15 PM
wow Ham, it looks like you know a little bit more about scales than i do. But umm... but that kinda cleared up the merky water for me when it came to the arps and sweeps. But yeah...

Anyway... What is your take on Breaking Benjamin... personally i think they got some pretty good melodies (basically what i look for in a song so i can get a feel for it). And what is your take on Bon Jovi (very technical guitar player, shown very well in "Wanted Dead or Alive" in the solo, there were a giant myriad of techniques in there)

Cheers!

Hamsalad
02-11-2009, 11:24 PM
i looked up the chromatic on youtube i think first and pentatonic. But my instructor showed me a couple patterns w/ the pentatonic. And showed me some string skipping stuff. and he showed me a diminished and major scale so its going pretty good (even though i missed my past 2 lessons)

but i can't remember this one breaking benjamin song it was pretty cool...the guitars like da na na na na na na na nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh...its just kind of fast w/ the same notes; its cool.

i think i actually looked it up and its pretty easy but they do really weird tuning.

and about bon jovi i dont think i know too many other songs but i love Wanted dead or a live that song is bad ***. i think those guitar licks are really really cool as well as the solo. i actually might learn that song at my next lesson or just do some more scale stuff but i'll prob go w/ bon jovi

Thegide
02-12-2009, 03:32 AM
Lots of pinch harmonics in that solo. But listening to the song just makes me want to go out and buy a 12-string acoustic.

I tried some Michael Romeo stuff again today and yep, its just as hard as I remember it. His legato playing is simply mind blowing... he barely touches the string and it rings out perfectly clear... and you never hear any other muted strings in the background. I tend to have the opposite problem.

At least you guys have helped motivate me to get back practicing every day, instead of like once a week. I've got some work to do building my callouses up again. I shred for an hour and my fingers are sore ><.

Hamsalad
02-12-2009, 03:30 PM
ya i know legato can be pretty tricky...i couldn't really even tell he was doing mainly legato thats pretty impressive its so clean you can't even tell. ya i've gotten some more motivation myself. my callouses used to be REALLY bad now they are still there but kind of weak i need to build mine up too.

RAINFIRE
02-12-2009, 10:12 PM
hell i have been practicing for a long time. over the last year (how long i have been playing) and my calluses are still not perfect, My fingers still get sore, its quite annoying seeing how they should be just fine by now.

Anyway. I am going to have to write a solo for the guitar class that i am taking. It is a rock solo that should have all the parts (the intro/hook, the introduction, the development, and the closing), that has to go over a classic 12 bar blues (rock acoustic style, and no swing). So i got some work to do, oh and using only boxes I, II, and III

Cheers!

Hamsalad
02-12-2009, 10:15 PM
hmm only the first 3 frets....you can use the pentatonic !


[Edit]: From what I can tell w/ callous's I think it depends on the frequency in which you play.

Hamsalad
02-13-2009, 07:34 PM
let me know how the solo goes rainfire....so what songs is everyone learning right now if any? I just looked up gimie three steps last night...learned the main riff because I hit the first note for it and knew it was a Lynard Skynard song and remembered it was three steps! yay for my musical ear

Alex™
02-13-2009, 08:09 PM
i am learning Scream by Avenged Sevenfold :D

RAINFIRE
02-13-2009, 10:41 PM
no no no, not the first three fretts... But boxes I, II, and III for rock... so I is the pentatonic but on the fith fret, II is 5 notes: 9 on 3rd string, 8 and 10 on 2nd string, and 8 and 10 on first string (looks like a box), III is the same as II but the entire shape is moved up to frets, 10, 11, and 12.

Cheers!

Thegide
02-14-2009, 02:57 AM
Ok, so you're limited to using 3 pentatonic box shapes. I'm not sure exactly what shapes I, II, and III are, but I can gather a pretty good guess given that there are typically 5 box shapes for pentatonic patterns.

(Hint: penta meaning 5 notes in the scale, and one shape to start on each different note.)

What key is your chord progression in? I would be happy to give you some feedback on your solo before you hand it in.... :D

Of course, I could write you a killer one too, but that would be cheating! (and I'd probably make it too hard haha!)

RAINFIRE
02-14-2009, 04:56 AM
hehe, you would make it WAY too hard for me man, it is the basic 12 bar blues, 4 of A, 2 of D, 2 of A, 2 of E, 1 of D, and then 1 of A, finally one last A strum in the end as a whole note (lower string open, and then you switch between fret 2 and 4 on the higher adjacent string, then you just switch strings: 4&5 for A, 3&4 for D, 5&6 for E). But thats it dang it would be soo much easier to just have a picture available to give you so you can see, the box shapes. Anyway, yes i think there are 5 pentatonic shapes, and then there are different versions of those 5 for the different styles, so the ones for blues will be way different sounding from the ones for Rock. Basically i just need to make a melody in my head and then expand on it to make the solo. (thought of a perfect one once, but i lost it and could not remember it anymore :()

Cheers!

Thegide
02-14-2009, 05:11 AM
So 12 bar blues in A minor. It's ok, you don't need a picture, I know exactly what you are describing!

Just so you know, the pentatonic is pentatonic. Any variations on them and you're no longer playing a pentatonic scale. For example, the blues scale is a pentatonic scale with a flat 5th added (for a total of six notes).

Anyways, like I said, if you want feedback or ideas just give me a shout.

RAINFIRE
02-14-2009, 05:31 AM
hahahaha will do, but i guess it will be cheating if you did too much, plus if you were to write it it would be a little too hard for me, simplicity, if you think it sounds good in a melody, then it will make a good solo.

Cheers!

qrtda235566
02-15-2009, 04:03 PM
Just want to post this for anyone who thinks that Kirk Hammet is better than Dave Mustaine or Marty Friedman talent-wise.

YouTube - Megadeth-Victory

The solos that Dave and Marty play in that song are crazy.

RAINFIRE
02-16-2009, 07:00 PM
All i have to say is that solo in that song is Sweet

Cheeers!

Hamsalad
02-17-2009, 05:01 PM
Just want to post this for anyone who thinks that Kirk Hammet is better than Dave Mustaine or Marty Friedman talent-wise.

YouTube - Megadeth-Victory (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eF_9vwa4i8)

The solos that Dave and Marty play in that song are crazy.

ya i know those guys are really awesome. Kirk Hamett isn't bad but i dont hold him in really high regard

qrtda235566
02-18-2009, 09:08 PM
ya i know those guys are really awesome. Kirk Hamett isn't bad but i dont hold him in really high regard

Talent-wise, that band is nothing, but they have written some great songs. Metallica is proof that song-writing is more important than technical skill.

Hamsalad
02-18-2009, 09:57 PM
ye deff true....same w/ nirvana i'm sure they had some good members but i think everyone knows kurt was no god at the guitar (he obvioulsy wasn't bad either)

but he could make some really cool chord progression (thats simple) and good lyrics to go along w/ it that was really catchy

Thegide
02-19-2009, 03:56 PM
And then Dave Grohl proved that he was in fact, a music god himself.

Hamsalad
02-19-2009, 04:23 PM
excuse my noobiness but who is that?

Thegide
02-19-2009, 04:33 PM
*facepalm*

You might of heard of the "Foo Fighters". Dave was Nirvana's drummer and after Kurt's death, formed the Foo Fighters. He's not IN the band... he more or less IS the band. The first album he completed pretty much solo, but I presume that more of the recent albums are more of a collaborative effort between him and his bandmates.

My point was to point out how, despite that Nirvana was "Kurt's band", Grohl has proved himself to be an excellent songwriter, and master of guitar, vocals, drums, and god knows how many other instruments.

Hamsalad
02-19-2009, 05:04 PM
oh wow...thats crazy so he pretty much wrote their first albums with guitar and everything? ya thats pretty impressive...that was really the only other guy that stood out to me in nirvana was their drummer..their basist just did the basic rythem bass lines...nothing special like flea or erik from sublime....or geddy lee

Hamsalad
02-20-2009, 11:27 PM
hey awesome i heard a new megadeath song it was pretty sweet.

hey thegide what would you reccommend for practices? lately i've just been practicing scales....mainly the pentatonic in triple patterns and just the basic major scale working on it so i can do patterns w/ that all well. (pretty sure major scale patterns sound pretty cool?)

and also have been working on the diminished scale

Thegide
02-21-2009, 12:35 AM
It's hard to recommend what's best for you at this point without knowing exactly where you are.

But, some exercises that you can do at any intermediate-to-advanced skill level include the following:

- all 5 pentatonic box shapes, played up and down the neck
- all 7 diatonic scale shapes, played up and down the neck (this inclues the major/Ionian and minor/Aeolian scales)
- 4 note-per-string chromatic box, up and down the neck (im going to stop saying this... but its implied from here out that you play all exercises up and down the neck - it builds endurance and dexterity)

- pentatonic shapes in 3 note-per-string patterns
- diatonic shapes in 4 note-per-string patterns

- harmonic minor scale, phrygian dominant scale
- melodic minor scale ascending and descending
- half-diminished, whole diminished scales
- whole tone scale
- augmented scale

- ALL OF THE ABOVE SCALES played as ascending triplets and quadruplets. (i.e for the chromatic scale, its like 1-2-3-2-3-4-3-4-5-4-5-6 or 1-2-3-4-2-3-4-5-3-4-5-6....). Do this for box shape patterns, as well as up and down on a single string.

- all scales played in ascending and descending 3rds (i.e. chromatic: 1-3-2-4-3-5-4-6)

- major and minor arpeggio shapes, diminished arpeggio shape, augmented arpeggio shape

- alternate picking exercises (quintuplets, septuplets... i.e. 1-2-3-2-1, 3-2-1-2-3...) on single string, across multiple strings in box shapes.

- string skipping exercises (can be done with the previous exercise)

- learn to "economy pick" (if you don't know what this is already... google it) box patterns

- if that doesn't take you the next several years to get through let me know...i have more >: D

qrtda235566
02-21-2009, 12:47 AM
There's some sweet shifting exercise my teacher showed me and it's awesome. Dave Grohl is also the drummer for Tenacious D! :p

Oh, and Ham, which song did you hear? My personal favorite off United Abominations is Washington is Next.

Hamsalad
02-21-2009, 01:06 AM
wow holy crap thegide....lol....that will take me so long to perfect all those lol ahahha

but right now my only knowledge for scales is chromatic (where i have been doing string skipping for it and moving down the fretboard so thats good...havnt though to do the pattern for it like 1-2-3-2-3-4)

and diminished...i've been doing a whole scaled and my instructor showed me a pattern where you get to the G string and restart it and continue down the fretboard.

and pentatonic...i dont even do the normal pattern anymore i just practice the acending triplet and... a pattern where you start for example on like the 3rd fret on the A string then hit the sixth fret on the E string. then go down to the 5th fret on the A string then back up the the 3rd fret on the E string..

so your acending and descending at the same time.


and the major scale...trying to get that one down really good..he showed me two ways to play it one way..where you continue the same pattern for the bottom four strings (or the top four if i were to say it proper apparently) or another way where you shift over a fret for the last two strings (this way you avoid hitting the same note twice if your doing a pattern)

i may know what they are but not quite sure whe the termoninology but what different box shapes are you referring to?


and awesome i'm not quite sure, i heard one on the radio...i didnt even know it was megadeath till they said after the song...it had a pretty BA guitar riff. but do you reccommend buying the CD?

qrtda235566
02-21-2009, 01:17 AM
Yeah, I do. Some pretty awesome songs on there, plus the song "Gears of War" I think is based of the game. At least that's what the bassist said in an interview.

Oh, and if you want to listen to their songs, some dude put the whole album up on Youtube. I need to buy it!
YouTube - Megadeth - Never Walk Alone ... A Call to Arms

Thegide
02-21-2009, 05:50 AM
This is an example of a box shape (C major scale):

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/img/lessons/pentamodal/2.gif

You should work hard at getting comfortable "seeing" the scales on your fretboard as vertical patterns (along a single string) as well as horizontal patterns (box shapes). This is possibly the most important skill for improvising and is absolutely critical to the development of your speed and composition skills.

When you really understand box shapes you realize a few things. First is that they serve to map out all of the notes of a scale across the fretboard. They help to break up the fretboard into playable "chunks" since playing horizontally is infinitely easier than playing vertically. But they all interconnect. Second, those 5 pentatonic shapes and 7 diatonic shapes cover all of the pentatonic and diatonic scales (including both major and minor) in any and every key.

For example... learning the 7 box shapes to cover the C major scale across the entire fretboard teaches you how to play C Ionian (aka major)...D Dorian... E Phrygian... F lydian... G mixolydian... A Aeolian (aka minor)...and B locrian scales ANYWHERE on the neck. Now shift everything up two frets: you've now covered D major, E Dorian, F# Phrygian... etc etc etc.

by learning only 7 patterns you can now play 7 scales * 12 keys = 84 different scales!

I'm totally getting carried away here...

Do you use Guitar Pro 5? If not, I recommend picking up that piece of software. I could send you oodles of lessons that would be infinitely more easy than trying to explain it in this text box.

Alex™
02-21-2009, 08:06 AM
I have guitar pro 5 :D can you send me the lessons please?

RAINFIRE
02-21-2009, 03:53 PM
how much would Guitar Pro 5 run me?

Because after my class is done with for the year i need to keep up my skills.

Cheers!

Thegide
02-21-2009, 06:30 PM
http://www.guitar-pro.com/en/index.php

I think its about $60... same as a video game.

Insanely useful bit of software, oodles better than PowerTab, well worth the money. Anyone with a guitar and a computer should own this.

Hamsalad
02-22-2009, 05:06 PM
ya i had power tabs before.....i'll prob buy it then especially if you can send me some lessons.

also i know this guy who has this device that has guitar jack ins and hooks up to his computer...and on his computer he has mixers for drum beats and can record on it and can pick like ANY distortion on.

i believe its called guitar rig and he also uses pro tools

RAINFIRE
02-22-2009, 06:10 PM
if you have a mac then you are sooo in luck, the garageband 09 looks great. all kinds of distortion pedals, and all of that jazz (amps included) all from different manufactures and you can mod a bunch of them and be able to use them while you are recording. So... you have like an ultimate guitar recorder. But hey i have never tried that other program. And i will check out guitar pro 5, question though, is it that lame tab with the sound WAY off from how it was actually played? or is it actually sound ok on the playback? Oh and can you get this in stores or is a strictly online purchase.

Cheers!

Zommy
02-22-2009, 06:16 PM
hey all if your intrested in a little contest click the link in my sig . the contest has 3 parts singing but it is up to you what parts you want to do - if any ones brave enough
guitar - which you have to write a solo and best one wins
drums - if anyone on this site drums - do a drum cover which is changed from original slightly - eg extra rolls etc...
there are 3 judges, me ,Leather-Monkeys, and super blast
please take a look

Thegide
02-23-2009, 01:00 AM
if you have a mac then you are sooo in luck, the garageband 09 looks great. all kinds of distortion pedals, and all of that jazz (amps included) all from different manufactures and you can mod a bunch of them and be able to use them while you are recording. So... you have like an ultimate guitar recorder. But hey i have never tried that other program. And i will check out guitar pro 5, question though, is it that lame tab with the sound WAY off from how it was actually played? or is it actually sound ok on the playback? Oh and can you get this in stores or is a strictly online purchase.

Cheers!

Both powertab and guitar pro are MIDI-driven, which means that by default, guitars don't sound too much like guitars.

Guitar Pro also has something called RSE (real sound engine) which if you choose to enable, gives you more realistic sounding instruments. For the sake of playback, I usually stick with the stock MIDI sounds though because tend to be clearer to the ear.

Also guitar pro does a much better job of emulating things like bends, harmonics, and palm mutes.

Really it all comes down to the quality of the tab though. Some tabs are written well, some are awful. For the most part though, tabs sound very close to the actual songs, so I wouldn't worry about that.

Hamsalad
02-23-2009, 05:08 PM
ya i know what you mean powertab is alright for free, but the sounds it mimics for the guitar is very very very very artificial but it gets the job done i guess.

olit123
02-23-2009, 05:40 PM
Hey, people just thought I'd say, I've been playing guitar on and off for the past 6 years or so, haven't made much progress though :(

Breezy-The-Pro
02-23-2009, 07:43 PM
Has anyone heard o' Muse? Good band, good guitar. Try 'Invincible' or 'Plug In Baby'... Invincible uses a Slider for its main riff and its solo is pretty good for playing. Plug In Baby just has a good riff all the way through. :D

Thegide
02-24-2009, 03:30 AM
Yep, I know Muse. They are pretty mainstream, plus Knights of Cydonia is on Guitar Hero 3. Can't say I'm a big fan, but obviously they are doing something right.

Oli T, glad you came to join the chat.

Hamsalad
02-24-2009, 03:49 PM
ya i remember that song from guitar hero, don't think i've listend to others so I wont make a judgement on the band but i didnt care for that song at all. Although it was pretty challenging to play on it

Zommy
02-24-2009, 04:10 PM
muse-hysteria is awesome. bassist amazes me and also super massive black hole is quite special xD

Hamsalad
02-24-2009, 04:42 PM
my favorite bassists are les clay pool...erick from sublime ummm victor wooten's pretty crazy, geddy lee; also people might not know it but buckethead is a very very good bassist

olit123
02-24-2009, 05:09 PM
Has anyone heard o' Muse? Good band, good guitar. Try 'Invincible' or 'Plug In Baby'... Invincible uses a Slider for its main riff and its solo is pretty good for playing. Plug In Baby just has a good riff all the way through. :D

Muse are amazing! They used to be my favourite band, now they're my brothers. Lets just say I'm having a pro-longed break from them at the moment.

Alex™
02-24-2009, 05:31 PM
Johnny Christ = epic bassist

Hamsalad
02-24-2009, 05:38 PM
thats kind of how sublime is for me now. i dont listen to them that much anymore but they will always hold a spot in my heart

Breezy-The-Pro
02-24-2009, 06:56 PM
Johnny Christ = epic bassist

True dat! A7X is one awesome band. :p

Alex™
02-24-2009, 07:02 PM
True dat! A7X is one awesome band. :p

finally someone who agrees! :D

Breezy-The-Pro
02-24-2009, 07:08 PM
finally someone who agrees! :D
Syn and Zacky are epic guitarists too, especially in the song 'Scream'!

Hamsalad
02-24-2009, 07:17 PM
scream is OK....i dont care for it too much. their guitarist are pretty good but as far as their bassit goes i can tell he's good but there are some bassist out there that are A LOT better mainly the ones i named...oh i forgot flea too.

i think screams over rated for how much they play it on the radio idk..maybe just not my style but i think some of their other songs are better

Breezy-The-Pro
02-24-2009, 07:20 PM
scream is OK....i dont care for it too much. their guitarist are pretty good but as far as their bassit goes i can tell he's good but there are some bassist out there that are A LOT better mainly the ones i named...oh i forgot flea too.

i think screams over rated for how much they play it on the radio idk..maybe just not my style but i think some of their other songs are better
Must be just me then, lol.
Nah, my favourite A7X song is Dear God, Scream just has good guitar in it. :p

Hamsalad
02-24-2009, 07:39 PM
idk i personally dont like the guitar riff for scream its alright but idk just not my style...i like after life or beast and the harlot more. just me i guess. just saying the bassist may obvioulsy be good but imo there are a lot better bassits

Breezy-The-Pro
02-24-2009, 07:50 PM
idk i personally dont like the guitar riff for scream its alright but idk just not my style...i like after life or beast and the harlot more. just me i guess. just saying the bassist may obvioulsy be good but imo there are a lot better bassits

Very true, and after all, Avenged Sevenfold is just one of the many bands I actually like, and there's always a better bassist out there who can suit your style!

Alex™
02-24-2009, 08:43 PM
a7x = my current favorite band, have been for a while now... which makes my username weird lol. My favorite song? maybe sidewinder, that is cool and the acoustic solo at the end rules! lol. also Bromton Cocktail, second heartbeat and unholy confessions :D

edit: ooooh and MIA, that is awesome!

Hamsalad
02-25-2009, 03:16 PM
idk i listend to scream that same day on the radio and i liked it more. so i take it back. they're pretty cool. but, i love pantera hows everyone else feel about them? any time i hear walk on the radio i blast it.

also a7x did a cover of walk but i like the original better..they're cover is good though

Alex™
02-25-2009, 03:54 PM
Walk is awesome, and so is Avenged's cover of it :D

Hey Thegide, have you got any tips you can give me for the beast and the harlot solo? thanks

Thegide
02-25-2009, 06:42 PM
For those that haven't seen it, Zommy is trying to get an original music contest sponsored by the site. All you have to do is write and record a short piece of original music.

Show your interest by posting in here (http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9103). The prize is 150xp.

Alex™
02-25-2009, 06:49 PM
lol i can't write stuff, so i'm not entering... and we all know you will win the guitar thing anyway (from what i ahve seen of you at least lol) so i will continue trying the beast and the harlot solo....

Hamsalad
02-25-2009, 07:12 PM
For those that haven't seen it, Zommy is trying to get an original music contest sponsored by the site. All you have to do is write and record a short piece of original music.

Show your interest by posting in here (http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9103). The prize is 150xp.

i was under the impression it was a contest using the music system in LBP?

Thegide
02-25-2009, 07:30 PM
That's a separate contest. Zommy's contest is real music, real instruments, nothing to do with the game.

Hamsalad
02-25-2009, 07:34 PM
nice sounds fun. i would participate but i dont really have anything to record myself D:

Thegide
02-25-2009, 07:37 PM
Last I checked a soundcard & computer mic worked ;)

Hamsalad
02-25-2009, 07:44 PM
lol my computers out of comission right now....idk i wanted to be able to record my own rythem riff and lead part obviously. and prob get a program to add drums i supose

Thegide
02-25-2009, 08:13 PM
lol i can't write stuff, so i'm not entering... and we all know you will win the guitar thing anyway (from what i ahve seen of you at least lol) so i will continue trying the beast and the harlot solo....

Since I'm judging, I'm ineligible. I will probably contribute anyways, but I don't think it would be fair to let me compete hehe.

Alex™
02-25-2009, 08:40 PM
lol fair enough...... but i still suck too much :/

Breezy-The-Pro
02-25-2009, 08:42 PM
lol fair enough...... but i still suck too much :/

I'm a decent guitarist but I'm none too creative. :C

Hamsalad
02-25-2009, 08:56 PM
lol fair enough...... but i still suck too much :/

he is uber at guitar yes... i thought he was goign to be participating but i was going to try to anyways...i know raw skill doesn't really mean that his song will be better although it most likely will.

but i'm pertty optimistic so i was going to give it my best

Alex™
02-25-2009, 09:27 PM
I just learnt superhuman by velvet revolver in like 10 minutes.... the main riff is cool though... or rather the intro riff that comes back later lol

YouTube - Velvet Revolver - Superhuman - MySpace Live Webcast

:D

Hamsalad
02-25-2009, 09:44 PM
i wish i could listen to it louder im at work...sounded cool from the 2 seconds i heard though...so it must be pretty easy?'

i learned the main riff for maynard's **** last night.. a friend showed me, its really cool chord progression

RAINFIRE
02-26-2009, 12:38 AM
if you guys get the chance try and learn He's a Pirate... It is the theme to Pirates of the Caribbean. Its epic and not that hard.

Cheers!

Hamsalad
02-26-2009, 01:01 AM
ooo a pirate song...sounds sweet.

also i listend to a cover w/ two guitars playing it; it was bad ***

Hamsalad
02-26-2009, 05:24 PM
i know ironmaidenfan is goign to see metallica tonight. i'm going to see tantric march 6th at a local bar. i think they are still trying to get really big.

YouTube - Tantric - Breakdown


anyone else seeing any concerts soon? I also learned this main riff

Alex™
02-26-2009, 05:28 PM
I just learnt Slither and She Builds Quick Machines :D apart from the SBQM solo 'cos i can't do it :/

YouTube - Velvet Revolver - She Builds Quick Machines

YouTube - Velvet Revolver - Slither

olit123
02-26-2009, 05:34 PM
I just learnt Slither and She Builds Quick Machines :D apart from the SBQM solo 'cos i can't do it :/

YouTube - Velvet Revolver - She Builds Quick Machines (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuzpeOZI6Fo)

YouTube - Velvet Revolver - Slither (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vewm5l-i-yw)

Not bad songs man, not bad songs :)

Hamsalad
02-26-2009, 05:45 PM
you must be on a velvet revolver kick? i still need to listen to superman later. from what i heard of the main riff it sounded cool

Thegide
02-26-2009, 07:57 PM
Hey Oli, thanks for your words on my youtube vids ;)

Hamsalad
02-26-2009, 08:20 PM
Hey Oli, thanks for your words on my youtube vids ;)

of you playing guitar? which ones?

Thegide
02-26-2009, 09:06 PM
Same two as before. I haven't made any new vids since my PC started acting up. Now that my latest level is out, I've got some time to format it and see if that works.

Yeah, by the way, go play my freakin levels already :) Shadow Moses was finally published yesterday... I swear I logged 120 hours making it.

Hamsalad
02-26-2009, 09:17 PM
i saw your beast and the harlot solo...don't think i saw another one i would be interested in watching it though

Thegide
02-27-2009, 12:49 AM
All That Remains - Become the Catalyst solo. Not only played to perfection, but I also did the transcription myself, since there are no other accurate tabs anywhere on the internet.

You can get my tab for the song at gprotab.net.

Hamsalad
02-27-2009, 04:40 PM
you should post the youtube vids again because i only saw the one...i could hunt through all the pages but we're up to 16 now. i guess it wouldnt be too hard maybe i'm just lazy but i'd like to see the last one your talking about

Thegide
02-27-2009, 06:53 PM
Hey, the video is finally working for embed!

YouTube - All That Remains - Become the Catalyst (solo)

Hamsalad
02-27-2009, 07:10 PM
**** dude how many frets does that have?

also that was awesome...i don't listen to those guys but that is an awesome riff/ solo. really crunchy and cool sounding. it almost looks like you were doing some drop D type techniques and doing power chords so you must of not been in drop D

Thegide
02-27-2009, 08:21 PM
24 frets!

The song is in standard D tuning... so everything is down a whole step. There's power chords and harmonized thirds I'm playing. It's two guitar parts technically for the rhythm section.

Sorry the audio quality is terrible, it was made with my old webcam.

Alex™
02-27-2009, 08:43 PM
Not *technically* related to this, but the guitar playing is awesome :D

if you go to www.livemetallica.com and make an account, you can download about 15 of their live shows before 2003 for free! along with any show since if you pay :D including the MEN where i went when they put it up :D

Hamsalad
02-27-2009, 08:52 PM
24 frets!

The song is in standard D tuning... so everything is down a whole step. There's power chords and harmonized thirds I'm playing. It's two guitar parts technically for the rhythm section.

Sorry the audio quality is terrible, it was made with my old webcam.

huh ok....so since EVERYTHING is a whole step you can still do power chords. A tuning I tried and liked was....I went half a step down and then I went "Drop D" which wouldn't really be drop D but it sounded cool.

for some reason your guitar looked really long lol like 26 or something (idk if thats even possible.) I think mines only like 21 frets D:

and ironmaiden good find. i'll check it out.

qrtda235566
02-27-2009, 08:53 PM
Not *technically* related to this, but the guitar playing is awesome :D

if you go to www.livemetallica.com and make an account, you can download about 15 of their live shows before 2003 for free! along with any show since if you pay :D including the MEN where i went when they put it up :D

Dave Mustaine thinks that Kirk Hammet sucks! :p

MARTY FRIEDMAN QUIT MEGADETH TO PLEH POP MOSIC!

Alex™
02-27-2009, 09:28 PM
well dave mustaine is *** :/ and metallica were the best thing i have seen live, ever. and i have seen a lot....

qrtda235566
02-27-2009, 11:45 PM
well dave mustaine is *** :/ and metallica were the best thing i have seen live, ever. and i have seen a lot....

No, but Kirk Hammet really isn't too good of a guitar player. I mean, he's good, but not too impressive.

On Youtube someone called my and ignorant biased moron for saying that Metallica was better than Megadeth, but he's really the moron. I'm entitled to my opinion, and in terms of talent, Megadeth is obviously better than Metallica. I hate people who say "you can't compare two great bands" but I can. That's like saying I can't compare Skittles and Starbursts because they're both two great foods, but I can. Starbursts are 1337 but you get more skittles for your moolah. Everyone has their opinion of who is better but some are too scared to say it or are afraid someone will disagree so they don't express their opinion but tell everyone else they're stupid for having one. And if someone thinks two bands are both great, then they obviously aren't too passionate about the two. I love both Megadeth and Metallica, and that's how I know that Megadeth is better than Metallica.

Oh, and I bet Metallica live is awesome, or at least it would be awesome if James didn't @#$! up his voice from head banging.

RAINFIRE
02-28-2009, 05:14 AM
Thegide... you are a shredder for sure my friend... although i have not picked up my electric for a while now... I am really attached to my acoustic at the moment. Its a 30 year old Epiphone that is a middle/middle-high grade guitar (they say it sounds better as it gets older)

Cheers!

Alex™
02-28-2009, 09:07 AM
@ Awesomemans He voice was great though :) and the whole show was amazing.. . and they played a good mix of the new album and the old stuff :D and kirk had some awesome solos in between songs :D personally i prefer metallica... but as you said it is opinion

qrtda235566
02-28-2009, 03:00 PM
Oh and now that guy said that I'm acting like my opinion is fact, but how am I supposed to act like my opinion is my opinion. In my reality, my opinion IS fact. I wanna punch this guy in the face.

Thegide
02-28-2009, 03:22 PM
Awesomemans, if there's one thing you can count on youtube for, it's smack talk coming from 13 year olds. Don't let it get to you man, people just like calling people idiots on the internet because they have no real balls to do it to anyone in real life.

I never liked Megadeth, plain and simple. It's not that I think Kirk is better than Dave or Marty anything stupid like that (obviously Marty is the best guitarist in this comparison), I just don't like Megadeth songs, period. They bore me. Metallica's early stuff was the opposite for me, so in my eyes, Metallica is the better *band* (and unarguably more popular) even though their musicians are less technically skilled.

Then again, the music industry has proven over and over that skill does not mean squat.

qrtda235566
02-28-2009, 03:55 PM
Then again, the music industry has proven over and over that skill does not mean squat.

lol. too true.