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Ayneh
06-10-2014, 05:16 PM
You see this little ******* right here?

https://i.imgur.com/dthZMj8.png

Swoop is going to be flying around breaking everything in your level. Nothing can stop Swoop. He's small, nimble and can fly.

Have you just found yourself in a fight against Swoop? Give up, you've already lost.

Swoop is going to be an unstoppable killing machine, I can already see it.

hyperdude95
06-10-2014, 05:18 PM
Swoop should have some limited abilities. :) Gliding is the hero cape physics. :)

-hyper

ForgottenEnigma
06-10-2014, 05:20 PM
Build some anti-air missiles then? or a fly swatter?

craigmond
06-10-2014, 05:23 PM
It's in the eyes, the beady little bloodthirsty eyes.

ForgottenEnigma
06-10-2014, 05:24 PM
Bird survival levels?

Reef1978
06-10-2014, 05:40 PM
I can't imagine the devs are actually dumb enough to allow characters with special abilities into levels not designed to be played with these characters. I guess this means we now have to go through a character select screen every time we play a level.

biorogue
06-10-2014, 07:30 PM
perhaps this is general discussion material and not News and Media?

Lady_Luck__777
06-10-2014, 07:41 PM
Moved to General Chat

BasketSnake
06-10-2014, 08:06 PM
I want to bend his legs backwards and use them to tie his wings behind his back, crumble him up and throw him out in the yard for the dog to play with....

.... LUIGI DEATH STARE!

samalot
06-10-2014, 08:14 PM
Those eyes...

...one can only imagine the horrors they have gazed upon.

Lord-Dreamerz
06-10-2014, 08:16 PM
Easily the worse design out of all the new stuff, I do not like this Flappy bird reject. So ugly and creepy beyond words... :I

tjaldex225
06-10-2014, 08:34 PM
according to what they're saying the new characters will be bound by the lvls. in other words the lvl creater will deside what characters will be playable in any of there lvls. so no u cant just pick the bird and fly out of the lvl=)

yugnar
06-10-2014, 09:37 PM
according to what they're saying the new characters will be bound by the lvls. in other words the lvl creater will deside what characters will be playable in any of there lvls. so no u cant just pick the bird and fly out of the lvl=)

Yep that's the way I think it'll be, I mean, creators will most likely choose who will they allow into their levels of course. Otherwise everything would be so broken!

ForgottenEnigma
06-10-2014, 09:45 PM
according to what they're saying the new characters will be bound by the lvls. in other words the lvl creater will deside what characters will be playable in any of there lvls. so no u cant just pick the bird and fly out of the lvl=)

Can you imagine fighting Geoff in slayer if you could simply turn into a bird... also we need to film slayer once lbp3 comes out on ps4 =p

warlord_evil
06-10-2014, 10:49 PM
according to what they're saying the new characters will be bound by the lvls. in other words the lvl creater will deside what characters will be playable in any of there lvls. so no u cant just pick the bird and fly out of the lvl=)
It's confirmed, the devs said you can't be Swoop unless the level creator allows it.

Wait...can these new characters use powerups? Can Swoop use a jetpack?

jwwphotos
06-10-2014, 11:04 PM
Wonder if there is special stuff that can help guard against his capabilities. Fire shooting around for instance?

yugnar
06-10-2014, 11:24 PM
It's confirmed, the devs said you can't be Swoop unless the level creator allows it.

Wait...can these new characters use powerups? Can Swoop use a jetpack?

I have the felling only Sackboy can use powerups. Kinda feel as well that I heard it somewhere, just can't recall it right now.

Kyesty
06-11-2014, 12:03 AM
I'm not as hyped for this as I thought I would be...

Sackativitron
06-11-2014, 02:28 AM
Inb4 a creationator that fires a big, destructive laser.

yugnar
06-11-2014, 02:41 AM
You know, despite the uneasy feeling some of us may have regarding these new characters I believe that they will truly adapt to the world of LBP. And I'm sure there will be tons of rather new gameplay to explore from now on.

tjaldex225
06-11-2014, 12:41 PM
Can you imagine fighting Geoff in slayer if you could simply turn into a bird... also we need to film slayer once lbp3 comes out on ps4 =p
Lol #dave im really glad u said make it a film and not remake it for lbp3, it would have workd better as a film to begin with=)

hmm also how do u guy get the Originally Posted by in ur quotes...

Ali_Star
06-11-2014, 12:47 PM
It's confirmed, the devs said you can't be Swoop unless the level creator allows it.

Wait...can these new characters use powerups? Can Swoop use a jetpack?

So... are they basically a new type of sackbot that you can add to your levels? Or are they an actual selectable playable sackthingymabob?

Jauw
06-11-2014, 02:31 PM
The main player can switch between two of the characters, whether its Oddsock and Swoop or Sackboy and Toggle.

Woutery
06-11-2014, 07:19 PM
Easily the worse design out of all the new stuff, I do not like this Flappy bird reject. So ugly and creepy beyond words... :I

All the characters are just sack (and eyes) and nothing but that, and then... there's Swoop. I don't like that beak and those feet. It looks weird, yeah.

Shooter0898
06-11-2014, 08:50 PM
I like Swoop, I think he has a good design and I am looking forward to using him. I don't understand how he could be the worst thing for the game and think he'll make levels interesting. Saying he will screw up levels because he can fly is a silly argument. Surely then you would have to say Oddsock will ruin levels since he can climb walls, Toggle because it'll make someone's tedious underwater segments easier.

I'm pretty sure you can choose what characters are playable in a level from create mode. I think the argument Swoop is a bad idea because he can fly is just plain stupid. I think his design is good and costumes and the possibilities for customising will be limitless.

FreeAim
06-11-2014, 10:34 PM
It's confirmed, the devs said you can't be Swoop unless the level creator allows it.

Wait...can these new characters use powerups? Can Swoop use a jetpack?

Probably not. I mean, Sackboy's definitive abilities in the gameplay video were being able to use power-ups and... nothing else.

Swoop does kind of make Oddsock vain. I mean, he's the coolest of the lot, but apart from being faster there is nothing he can't do. Sure, Sackboy can ride him, but Swoop can carry him and there really is no point in Swoop+Oddsock team-up level (I am betting team-ups will be a thing in the future).

Still, wouldn't it be cool if Toggle could at max turn freaking massive? I mean, I thought size-shifting could've been a gadget for an Ant-man themed pack, but since it's his ability, now is the time to exploit that to the full. Giant Toggle chasing Swoop and trying grab him from the air as Swoop drops bombs on him, trying to desperately kill him with no luck.

HOW AWESOME, AMIRIGHT?

SR20DETDOG
06-11-2014, 11:17 PM
I don't think she'll be flying anywhere without feathers, why is she plucked?! :cry:

Ayneh
06-12-2014, 12:57 AM
Easily the worse design out of all the new stuff, I do not like this Flappy bird reject. So ugly and creepy beyond words... :I
Yeah, it doesn't help Swoop looks like a chicken fetus with default skin. In this screenshot hyperdude95 posted he doesn't look bad though:

http://www.gamereactor.dk/media/37/20screenshotslittle_1183704.png

I'm gonna guess Swoop will have dragon and phoenix costumes and stuff.


Wait...can these new characters use powerups? Can Swoop use a jetpack?
I would love it if picking up a jetpack gave Swoop afterburners or something.


Swoop does kind of make Oddsock vain. I mean, he's the coolest of the lot, but apart from being faster there is nothing he can't do. Sure, Sackboy can ride him, but Swoop can carry him and there really is no point in Swoop+Oddsock team-up level (I am betting team-ups will be a thing in the future).
Oddsock creeps me out, I think it's the way he moves more than anything. He reminds me of a headless hellhound from Silent Hill. Again, he'll probably look better with costumes.

You could use him to populate your level with animals or monsters maybe. I dunno about his abilities as much.

Ali_Star
06-12-2014, 10:10 AM
How long before we see a character in a level called 'Swoop Dogg' or 'Swoop Lion' or 'Swoop Whateverthehellhescallinghimselfthesedays'?

FreeAim
06-12-2014, 02:49 PM
I don't think she'll be flying anywhere without feathers, why is she plucked?! :cry:

Ah yes, because the reason birds can fly is because they have magical feathers that grant them flight. That's why bats, for example, can't fly, am I right?

Ali_Star
06-12-2014, 02:59 PM
Ah yes, because the reason birds can fly is because they have magical feathers that grant them flight. That's why bats, for example, can't fly, am I right?

Bats have magical ears.

Lady_Luck__777
06-12-2014, 04:11 PM
Moved to the New forum [LBP3] Everything Else

FreeAim
06-12-2014, 06:26 PM
IIRC, Birds use their flight feathers to pull themselves up into the air then glide and pull up when necessary, bats have to constantly flap to stay airborne and can't glide due to the shape of their wings.

What kind of biology lessons have you been taking?

But in the end, though, I wouldn't say Swoop is OP, apart from in comparison to Oddsock.

Sean88
06-18-2014, 11:41 AM
I think swoop is an awesome character to include. He wont be able to just fly about breaking the level. I'm pretty positive you will be able to say where swoop cant go. Theres probably a swoop sensor, crossing it flips you back into sackboy.
|From what I've seen of him, (and this is just my opinion), It seems like when a player switches to swoop he can glide moreso than fly, (like with the hero cape), however pressing jump seems to launch you for a limited time up Into the air, (that could be why hes called swoop :) )

I cant complain about him. After all, isn't it better to have him there to complain about, rather than not have him there to complain about :).
GO SWOOP lol.

AcAnimate
06-18-2014, 12:46 PM
You see this little ******* right here?

https://i.imgur.com/dthZMj8.png

Swoop is going to be flying around breaking everything in your level. Nothing can stop Swoop. He's small, nimble and can fly.

Have you just found yourself in a fight against Swoop? Give up, you've already lost.

Swoop is going to be an unstoppable killing machine, I can already see it.

-.-

He's none of that.... you don't really, in all seriousness truly believe that you'd had the ability to freely choose any of the 4 characters at your own will no matter what level it is?????

Come' on.... really... Of course there will be a system like where the creator of the level chooses which characters is playable in their level...

Ayneh
06-18-2014, 08:24 PM
He's none of that.... you don't really, in all seriousness truly believe that you'd had the ability to freely choose any of the 4 characters at your own will no matter what level it is?????
Do you really think Swoop cares what the level is set to? It's Swoop.

Also, a keen observer confirmed Link removed- bypassing language filters

jwwphotos
06-18-2014, 10:15 PM
Oh... I think I could take him out with my pellet gun. :p

yugnar
06-19-2014, 12:57 AM
[QUOTE=Ayneh;1163434]Do you really think Swoop cares what the level is set to? It's Swoop.

Also, a keen observer confirmed Link removed- bypassing language filters
This video is absolutely hilarious :p

AmazingKittyCat
06-19-2014, 11:06 AM
I'm guessing you've never played The legend of zelda: Four swords, or any other 4 player co-op game. I think they're focusing a lot more on cooperation between different players...and that really does make it a lot more fun. Also, there are several ways that Swoop can be used without breaking levels...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAkuE7d4tIw (skip to around 0:40)

Tikaki-MooMoo
06-19-2014, 01:31 PM
Swoop could also be useful for flying score point levels and no-floor platformers. :p

Lord-Dreamerz
06-19-2014, 05:21 PM
Swoop stole my skittles!. >:'0

GribbleGrunger
06-21-2014, 09:05 AM
Lol #dave im really glad u said make it a film and not remake it for lbp3, it would have workd better as a film to begin with=)

hmm also how do u guy get the Originally Posted by in ur quotes...

By hitting the 'reply with quote' button at the bottom right.

Why are people thinking Swoop is overpowered? I really don't understand why the LBP community is even considering this idea. You will only be able to use Swoop in levels designed for him unless the creator decides to let you play him in ANY level.

Jakest123
06-28-2014, 01:11 PM
In the story levels at least, Swoop will probably only be included in sections of the game that were made specially for his capabilities. Same thing with Toggle and Oddsock.

I hope this game doesn't turn into Rayman Legends, where the gimmick is used more than the original gameplay. 3/5 needs to be Sackboy for it to maintain the LBP feel.

The11thWheatley
06-29-2014, 01:40 PM
I don't think he's overpowered at all, I'm sure there will be limits to his capabilities.

DominationMags
06-30-2014, 08:09 PM
It's confirmed, the devs said you can't be Swoop unless the level creator allows it.

Wait...can these new characters use powerups? Can Swoop use a jetpack?

Or maybe a powerup that anchors him to the ground? :kz:

Bremnen
06-30-2014, 11:06 PM
Or maybe a powerup that anchors him to the ground? :kz:

I'm imagining holding swoop down with the grappling hook and laughing.

DominationMags
07-01-2014, 12:31 AM
I'm imagining holding swoop down with the grappling hook and laughing.

"STAY DOWN! DOWN!"

I spent months on this level just for it to be ruined by a chicken...

GribbleGrunger
07-01-2014, 10:22 AM
I don't think he's overpowered at all, I'm sure there will be limits to his capabilities.

Why would they limit is capabilities?

I'm really struggling to understand the question 'is Swoop overpowered'. It what context are we supposed to assess this? Swoop will have levels designed around his capabilities so no matter how 'powerful' he is, no creator is going to design a level for sackboy and then introduce swoop, which would break ALL the mechanics of the game and render all the puzzles/platforming redundant.

Schnupsi
07-01-2014, 01:46 PM
Do not be so nasty, poor Swoop! He is new to LBP and he is shy and timid :gopher:

And he is not ugly, he is naked ... I'm sure we can buy a lot of costumes to make him look like any bird of paradise ;)
And think of all the Easter-levels we can create with this Swoop disguised as a chicken^^

yugnar
07-02-2014, 03:36 PM
Why would they limit is capabilities?

I'm really struggling to understand the question 'is Swoop overpowered'. It what context are we supposed to assess this? Swoop will have levels designed around his capabilities so no matter how 'powerful' he is, no creator is going to design a level for sackboy and then introduce swoop, which would break ALL the mechanics of the game and render all the puzzles/platforming redundant.

This. There's no context whatsoever in which Swoop will be actually overpowered. If you wish to make a level with him, you will just have to make gameplay that adapts to a flying character, I can't see how that is broken, unless the level is designed wrong. I mean, he is just like a Sackboy with an unchained jetpack.

wally-217
07-02-2014, 06:58 PM
Does anyone use the jetpack anymore? I can't remember the last time I saw one [apart from recently when I played 'ramp' that StevenI published]

Could this be why they introduced swoop as a character?

amiel445566
07-03-2014, 07:25 AM
The question you should be asking is if the flying is broken or loose like the old jetpack, you would constantly run into wall spikes, and it just seemed too rigid

Along with the new PS4 controller, and updates to the engine, swoop better work RIGHT

(seriously though, overpowered isn't the question, they wouldn't spend months not seeing the obvious :P)