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Ultimatben
08-09-2014, 01:49 AM
LBP3, It could be a great game... but! Remember LBP2. that had an extremely glitchy beta and a glitchier final game... This is some evidence that LBP3 BETA needs some real testers... Steveni 's friends shouldnt be testers :moody: ... There all overknown, corrupted creators. LBP2 was extremely glitchy... Even 31 updates in, many OP glitches still exist... im going to list some lbp creators and others that really deserve the beta!

-Me ( NEW 2014 LBP2 DLC GLITCH, and close to a new overlord, and created cool illusions)
-Fattymcintosh (LBP1 god glitch, supersack)
-Bonnell7 Extremely good with logic. (Most likely the best)
-jimmyj75 (glitcher)
-mastablastya (i'd buy the music that person makes)
-smuffy04 (assisted in finding LBP1 god glitch)
-I_AM_G_FORCE, he's such a good glitcher it almost got him banned permentely...

They have all done amazing things that has revolutionized LBP in such a way... Its worthy of a :royalty:

They... Deserve... A Beta code, more than anyone else...

Tynz21
08-09-2014, 02:13 AM
LBP3, It could be a great game... but! Remember LBP2. that had an extremely glitchy beta and a glitchier final game... This is some evidence that LBP3 BETA needs some real testers... Steveni 's friends shouldnt be testers :moody: ... There all overknown, corrupted creators. LBP2 was extremely glitchy... Even 31 updates in, many OP glitches still exist... im going to list some lbp creators and others that really deserve the beta!

-Me ( NEW 2014 LBP2 DLC GLITCH, and close to a new overlord, and created cool illusions)
-Fattymcintosh (LBP1 god glitch, supersack)
-Bonnell7 Extremely good with logic. (Most likely the best)
-jimmyj75 (glitcher)
-mastablastya (i'd buy the music that person makes)
-smuffy04 (assisted in finding LBP1 god glitch)
-I_AM_G_FORCE, he's such a good glitcher it almost got him banned permentely...

They have all done amazing things that has revolutionized LBP in such a way... Its worthy of a :royalty:

They... Deserve... A Beta code, more than anyone else...

All I can say is, you don't know who is in the beta. Any of those people could be (excepting yourself, because I figure you'd know that). You have no way of knowing that the people in the beta are "stevenis friends" unless you are in, in which case it's a moot point because there would then be a "glitcher " in the beta. Paradoxical huh? In any case, I am utterly confident in the handpicked beta team, that there is a well rounded balance of players, creators, and as you say "glitchers ".

Smuffy04
08-09-2014, 02:18 AM
None of the listed people are in the beta as far as im aware Tynz.
But I do agree the beta needs glitchers yet all the people I see that have been invited aren't...
Personally I feel we are ignored just because we find bugs in the game..

ForgottenEnigma
08-09-2014, 02:18 AM
Technically, everyone in the Beta will naturally be a glitcher... because it is their job to break the game in anyway they can.

However, you've got to wonder how many profiles were corrupted in the main game by those "glitchers" who decided to publish these glitches/bugs instead of quietly reporting them to the devs...

RockSauron
08-09-2014, 02:20 AM
Yes, you deserve to be in the beta. You.

Because you're a special snowflake

Bladex61
08-09-2014, 02:22 AM
Yes, you deserve to be in the beta. You.

Because you're a special snowflake

This.

chronos453
08-09-2014, 02:23 AM
Yes, you deserve to be in the beta. You.

Because you're a special snowflake

If that's the case, can I be a special snowflake too? :]

yugnar
08-09-2014, 02:28 AM
This post just... Man. I believe I've never ever got angry at this forum but calling the testers "StevenI's friends, overknown and corrupted creators"?! What? If team picked, awesome and experienced creators get into the Beta then I think they are the people who know how does LBP Create Mode really works and they are the best to explore the possibilities of the new game's editor.

You are very welcome to express your opinion throught the site, but please be respectful while doing so.

Smuffy04
08-09-2014, 02:30 AM
I don't get it, why don't we have a chance like everyone else though?

Tikaki-MooMoo
08-09-2014, 02:30 AM
Yes, you deserve to be in the beta. You.

Because you're a special snowflake

http://rlv.zcache.de/gluckliche_kleine_schneeflocke_fotofiguren-r18a732f35ce841c09a36119f8ee86013_x7saz_8byvr_512. jpg

Ultimatben
08-09-2014, 02:38 AM
48750Heres a picture of a cool costume i made, its the detail that counts!

hyperdude95
08-09-2014, 02:58 AM
People who are active or helpful in the community were suggested to be in a small batch of community members to partake in the private beta. There is nothing wrong if one is not chosen, its our love for the game that's keep us all together!

November isn't too far away and the time will fly by!

Its nice of you to point out some people as recommendations, but the beta is very limited and I am sure it wasn't easy for fan-sites to choose who gets in or not! :)

-hyper

jwwphotos
08-09-2014, 03:37 AM
People who are active or helpful in the community are suggested as a small batch of community members to partake in the private beta.

Hi Hyper, I fixed that for you. :)

To the OP ...we have no codes... We suggest folks then Sony and Steven picks from them as well as adds picks of their own. Not saying any of that is complete or not as we simply don't know. Up to Sony, and Steven.

However the OP saying that they will only be Steven's friends and corrupted creators is a bit much. Corrupted? In a game that you get no money for creating or volunteering in the community? There are quite a few folks that like and respect Steven, but saying he would only pick from his friends? I promise you that will be far from the truth. lol I am sure some will thing that and some still think Man has not landed on the Moon and others think crop circles are made by aliens.

As far as recommendations... sure make them. Who knows, Steven might see and include them.

Ultimatben
08-09-2014, 03:46 AM
People who were active in the community were picked... I now wish that ******* didnt false report my account and get it a 6 months ban...

amiel445566
08-09-2014, 04:03 AM
People who were active in the community were picked... I now wish that ******* didnt false report my account and get it a 6 months ban...

If it was for activity then my thousands of hours totaled on lbp would come to use and I would indefinitely have had the beta

but when the mods say limited, im sure they mean it, those people who have the beta, are either very good level creators, or very good object/glitch creators; im not saying YOU SUCK IF YOU DIDNT GET IN (because I didnt get in either) but what I am saying is that if you did get in, there is a very, very good chance that you are an amazing creator who definitely deserves the beta

So limitation, creation, hand in hand to pick amazing creators to prod at the game until glitches are few and far between, nothing to be taken personally ben :)

Ultimatben
08-09-2014, 04:11 AM
The glitchers i mentioned are basically the greatest, nothing can top them!

biorogue
08-09-2014, 05:46 AM
I am sure some will thing that and some still think Man has not landed on the Moon and others think crop circles are made by aliens.


Pah, we've landed on the moon and even have a secret base there, they just didn't land there in '69. And crop circles are made by time traveling hooligans from the future.

CodemanPSX
08-09-2014, 05:53 AM
Some have said the best inventions are found within mistakes.
So it could apply the same with glitches in the beta.

So we may not need all of the "glitchers".

thespacemonkey187
08-09-2014, 06:08 AM
Pah, we've landed on the moon and even have a secret base there, they just didn't land there in '69. And crop circles are made by time traveling hooligans from the future.

Well I blame the **** lizard people, they are the real ones running things. Wake up people! ;)

Tynz21
08-09-2014, 06:20 AM
I'm a corrupted Creator with various accolades and numerous hearts! That means I must deserve to get in, hurray!!

Here's what I think: a glitcher.shouldn't even be a thing. I've found plenty of glitches myself by playing the game, but I'm not a "glitcher" because it's not my sole purpose to break the game. In that respect I am like numerous others of the so called corrupted creators, or the ones who actually contribute something positive to the community, as I prefer to think.

I also think it's funny how you slander me and numerous others after begging to join me the other day... lol

ropi7
08-09-2014, 06:52 AM
i completely agree with op actually

Rogar
08-09-2014, 10:33 AM
Didn't glitchers leak various captured level parts from the LBP2 beta into the final game? Maybe Sumo doesn't want to risk something like that happening again.

Anyway, in case no glitchers end up in the beta, maybe you could share some tips on how to find glitches for those that do?

Jovuto
08-09-2014, 12:52 PM
I'd rather not voice my opinions, because I may start an argument.
However, I want to point out that "corrupt" doesn't even make sense in this context. How can a creator be "corrupt"? That doesn't even make any sense!! Did you just say it to upset everyone?

hyperdude95
08-09-2014, 01:34 PM
Hi Hyper, I fixed that for you. :)


Ah thanks! Sorry about that!

-hyper

Shooter0898
08-09-2014, 04:11 PM
I'd rather not voice my opinions, because I may start an argument.
However, I want to point out that "corrupt" doesn't even make sense in this context. How can a creator be "corrupt"? That doesn't even make any sense!! Did you just say it to upset everyone?

To be honest I think OP and a few others are a tad upset that they didn't get in the beta.

Smuffy04
08-09-2014, 04:26 PM
To be honest I think OP and a few others are a tad upset that they didn't get in the beta.

Its not that im upset, its just that I know I don't have a chance of getting in just because im a glitcher and they don't invite them when they could find the most glitches...

Shooter0898
08-09-2014, 05:44 PM
Its not that im upset, its just that I know I don't have a chance of getting in just because im a glitcher and they don't invite them when they could find the most glitches...

How do you know there aren't any "glithchers" in the beta? Besides some of the testers may go out of their way to find glitches, others will stumble across them. Also just because your a "glithcher" has nothing to do with getting in the beta. The list was selected (presumably) a while ago and only those who were very active on fansites in the past would be selected. The people selected were selected for a reason but almost certainly not for reasons suggested by OP.

Smuffy04
08-09-2014, 05:51 PM
How do you know there aren't any "glithchers" in the beta? Besides some of the testers may go out of their way to find glitches, others will stumble across them. Also just because your a "glithcher" has nothing to do with getting in the beta. The list was selected (presumably) a while ago and only those who were very active on fansites in the past would be selected. The people selected were selected for a reason but almost certainly not for reasons suggested by OP.

But we specifically specialize in it, yet they don't invite us...

Shooter0898
08-09-2014, 05:55 PM
But we specifically specialize in it, yet they don't invite us...

Again I'll ask the question, how do you know there aren't any "glithchers" in the beta?

Smuffy04
08-09-2014, 05:58 PM
Again I'll ask the question, how do you know there aren't any "glithchers" in the beta?

Because i've seen about 12 people say they're in the beta and so far none of them are glitchers. Im wondering how many people are in this beta since its apparently limited..

Shooter0898
08-09-2014, 06:05 PM
Because i've seen about 12 people say they're in the beta and so far none of them are glitchers. Im wondering how many people are in this beta since its apparently limited..

You do realise there are a lot more people in the beta. Just because you and a few others call yourselves "glithchers" doesn't mean that anyone who actively tries to to find do. Someone can be "glitcher" and not call themselves one.

yugnar
08-09-2014, 06:38 PM
Just an opinion here. Okay, the so called glitchers, people whose purpose is to break the game somehow, have been obviously working with Sumo internally to test the game already. Let's say professional game testers. These guys have surely discovered tons of glitches before the Beta even was announced.

Secondly, just because a person doesn't say he is in the Beta doesn't mean he wasn't invited. Telling everybody you've been invited does not reflect much maturity in some cases, and even though it is absolutely fine to show entusiasm it can be seen at one point as some kind of boasting.

Finally, what is Sumo going to test with the Beta? They are testing that the game does't break, that the game can support the most crazy and demanding ideas from the everlasting creative community all around the world, and the people who use all of Create's features are surely already invited (at least a good portion of qualified people). While some of the listed people (that you can't say for sure haven't been invited, at least some of them), who you defined as the best glitchers in all LBP, aren't active or helpful in the community.

I know it can be quite stressing not to be invited to a Beta. If you guys are already registered in a fan site, it is likely that you are moderately great fans of the franchise. But the concept of a "Private Beta" is just that: It is INCREDIBLY limited! Really little people make in, so there's no reaosn to think you weren't invited for not being important enough.

In conclusion, I believe that Beta tests are made in order for people to test the overall fetaures of a game, and all the way better if they are true fans of it. That is why they aren't looking exactly for people who break the game. That's what the staff is for, to break the game knowing how the code was written and which are it's "vulnerabilities". But having the community get their hands in all the features and actual create mode testing is a different thing alltogether than managing to open the create popit in play Mode. I think I already left my opinion clear enough, hope it makes sense to some of you :)

-yugnar

wally-217
08-09-2014, 09:04 PM
Because the beta testers were hand-picked, specialised in different areas and had different talents... I can't help but imagine something like this is happening at Sony:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3AViHVdpbU.

They assembled a super team from the LBP community.

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I do think, in terms of OP, it is also a matter of "It's not what you know but who you know".

Tynz21
08-09-2014, 09:20 PM
You do realise there are a lot more people in the beta. Just because you and a few others call yourselves "glithchers" doesn't mean that anyone who actively tries to to find do. Someone can be "glitcher" and not call themselves one.

At least 5 times that many.

Ultimatben
08-09-2014, 09:30 PM
LBP2 should be on the list of most glitchy games, it has glitches that break your profile...

Tynz21
08-10-2014, 01:27 AM
LBP2 should be on the list of most glitchy games, it has glitches that break your profile...

The closer to being a developer grade game platform you become, the more glitchy you will get. Handing players more power allows more opportunity to break the game.

Monster
08-10-2014, 02:51 AM
Add monstertruckpipk, lve_msg, NOTaSHEEPLE and mimeone to that list. It is a little ridiculous that these active glitchers who know so much about how LBP games work, were not invited to the beta.

BasketSnake
08-10-2014, 11:11 AM
"corrupted" creators. This may be the funniest post I've seen on this forum yet and you can see when I joined.

I_AM_L_FORCE
08-10-2014, 12:44 PM
Well LBP3 is gonna be glitchy without glitchers for sure; here's a list of amazing glitchers that were not included in the beta. Fattymcintosh, I_AM_G_FORCE, madmarsrocks, Elldude9, Ultimatben, Smuffy04, I can go on and on but the point is we need specialised glitchers in the beta to find bugs that otherwise wouldn't be found.

Chazprime
08-10-2014, 12:45 PM
Because i've seen about 12 people say they're in the beta and so far none of them are glitchers. Im wondering how many people are in this beta since its apparently limited..

Last I looked, there were a lot more than 12 people invited to the beta. You also need to be 18 years of age...which unfortunately means some of the "glitchers" on the OP's list can't legally be invited.

I_AM_L_FORCE
08-10-2014, 12:49 PM
I've asked all the elites as well, they have not been invited. Not one

raptor42694
08-10-2014, 12:54 PM
Do I smell jealousy? I have been playing the LBP franchise since the start of LBP1. I worked my way up to where I am now by enjoying what the game had to offer and making the most of it. Most people like myself never asked for an Mm pick or to become a 'corrupted' player we just turned out the way we are in the game.

Also, I for one have never been a part of any LBP beta but I have been a big part of the community since day one. So quit complaining, the people chosen will do a splendid job. :)

I_AM_L_FORCE
08-10-2014, 01:00 PM
Say that when we find supersack on day 1 and break levels ;)

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Nothing to say? Good

jwwphotos
08-10-2014, 01:39 PM
Say that when we find supersack on day 1 and break levels ;)

That is the stuff that I just don't get. You try silly things that are counter productive to actually making a level. Possibly luck into finding something ghastly. Then to show off and prove your point, go out and break others hard work by breaking their levels, or even corrupting their profiles and generally causing one huge mess.

..and then that is considered the work of an elite? An elite what? Breaking levels seems more like vandalism than anything "elite".

yugnar
08-10-2014, 01:44 PM
Say that when we find supersack on day 1 and break levels ;)

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Nothing to say? Good

*sigh* I guess there's really no point in trying to argue with some of you guys... Why do you post "Nothing to say? Good" What are you trying to prove? No one of you guys replied to my previous comments either.

First of all, I support jwwphoto's opinion above. Secondly, if you break the game with a game-breaking glitch it'll most likely be patched by Sumo soon enough. What would you contribute to the community there? You gave it nothing, but trouble. How can you expect to be invited to the Beta if you guys continue to harshly criticice Steven's and the devs' decisions?

hyperdude95
08-10-2014, 01:59 PM
Well i could be wrong, but it seems like the inviting part of the beta is over anyways. I respect that you want to bring a point up, but its causing fuel for a heated debate. :P

LittleBigPlanet 3 is 3 months away, if you wish to glitch and break things that will be your spotlight and I can't wait to see what you do! :)

-hyper

Ayneh
08-10-2014, 02:19 PM
The LBP3 beta client likely represents an attack surface like the LBP2 beta client did. By excluding people who are known to exploit the game the devs presumably hope to mitigate this.

If this was a deliberate decision, as a few of the responses imply, then I can only say it was unwise. The only people that will suffer from unaudited software are the users after the game is released.

By taking this opportunity to stick the boot in, you've only left yourself in a less stable and secure environment with a big target on your back.

ForgottenEnigma
08-10-2014, 02:27 PM
By excluding people who are known to exploit the game the devs presumably hope to mitigate this.

You're assuming they are excluding "glitchers"

However, what makes more sense... inviting those who quietly reported dangerous glitches to them and may not be famous because of it... or those who decided to publish them for profit thus damaging the community?

Chazprime
08-10-2014, 02:43 PM
You're assuming they are excluding "glitchers"

However, what makes more sense... inviting those who quietly reported dangerous glitches to them and may not be famous because of it... or those who decided to publish them for profit thus damaging the community?

What amazes me is that you've said this twice now, but it doesn't seem to have sunken in at all....:rolleyes:

ForgottenEnigma
08-10-2014, 02:46 PM
What amazes me is that you've said this twice now

I'm glad somebody noticed :p

yugnar
08-10-2014, 02:49 PM
If this was a deliberate decision, as a few of the responses imply, then I can only say it was unwise. The only people that will suffer from unaudited software are the users after the game is released.

We're not implying that the fact of being a "glitcher" will exclude you deliberately of being part of the Beta test, instead we're just saying it doesn't mean you should have immediate access to the test just for being so, as some of the other posts imply, thus our arguments for justyifing just that. I'm pretty sure a couple of glitchers can make it to the test, but I reiterate that the point of the Beta test will probably be focused, from my point of view, in other targets, a general test of the whole game, and if it will be able to handle efficiently whatever the community comes up with. The professional game testers have already messed with the game as well, and having precedents of glitches like the god glitch, supersack, etc. Sumo will most likely have looked into it already.

bonner123
08-10-2014, 02:53 PM
LBP3, It could be a great game... but! Remember LBP2. that had an extremely glitchy beta and a glitchier final game... This is some evidence that LBP3 BETA needs some real testers... Steveni 's friends shouldnt be testers :moody: ... There all overknown, corrupted creators. LBP2 was extremely glitchy... Even 31 updates in, many OP glitches still exist... im going to list some lbp creators and others that really deserve the beta!

-Me ( NEW 2014 LBP2 DLC GLITCH, and close to a new overlord, and created cool illusions)
-Fattymcintosh (LBP1 god glitch, supersack)
-Bonnell7 Extremely good with logic. (Most likely the best)
-jimmyj75 (glitcher)
-mastablastya (i'd buy the music that person makes)
-smuffy04 (assisted in finding LBP1 god glitch)
-I_AM_G_FORCE, he's such a good glitcher it almost got him banned permentely...

They have all done amazing things that has revolutionized LBP in such a way... Its worthy of a :royalty:

They... Deserve... A Beta code, more than anyone else...

Hazbell found most of those glitches (a few people you listed tried to steal credit for them, though I recognize trying to take ownership of glitches is dumb). Also, why does making music on LBP warrant a code? Is it because you're just trying to get your friends codes?

RockSauron
08-10-2014, 02:59 PM
You're assuming they are excluding "glitchers"

However, what makes more sense... inviting those who quietly reported dangerous glitches to them and may not be famous because of it... or those who decided to publish them for profit thus damaging the community?

Hello, the exact reason they don't want "Glitchers", right here!

dyna
08-10-2014, 03:01 PM
-Me ( NEW 2014 LBP2 DLC GLITCH, and close to a new overlord, and created cool illusions)


http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=48811&d=1407682740

So because you figured out a cool illusion, you think you deserve automatic BETA access?

And "corrupt creators"? Hes on to you guys, he knows whats up.

Tynz21
08-10-2014, 03:04 PM
There's just a few things I don't understand:

1 what evidence leads you to think that there are no glitchers in the beta (people in the beta have been told not to share that They're in)

2 what makes you think that only someone who's sole purpose is to break the game and doesn't bother to dabble in the actual creative part of the game would be best? Skilled creators, believe it or not break the game plenty of times. however, I prefer to fill my earth with something worthwhile rather than a bunch of virtually useless glitches. Some glitches I've found to be quite helpful to creating. But beyond that, there is no reason to make a big deal about it. Glory earned from a glitch is pretty empty in my eyes because it's not that hard to do really.

wally-217
08-10-2014, 03:22 PM
I don't think there's anything else to be said in this thread. My opinion doesn't carry much weight but perhaps a moderator thinks this would be best if it was locked.

It just seems to be contributing to a flawed, already concluded, argument.

Ayneh
08-10-2014, 03:40 PM
You're assuming they are excluding "glitchers"
Read the thread.


I reiterate that the point of the Beta test will probably be focused, from my point of view, in other targets, a general test of the whole game, and if it will be able to handle efficiently whatever the community comes up with. The professional game testers have already messed with the game as well, and having precedents of glitches like the god glitch, supersack, etc. Sumo will most likely have looked into it already.
We already know where this attitude leads from LBP2.

Chazprime
08-10-2014, 03:58 PM
Read the thread.

Did you read it?

DokterVintij
08-10-2014, 04:09 PM
You're assuming they are excluding "glitchers"

However, what makes more sense... inviting those who quietly reported dangerous glitches to them and may not be famous because of it... or those who decided to publish them for profit thus damaging the community?

This. Too much sense. :)

I've personally been seeing the Super-Sack Glitch seeping into levels lately. Some players even making second accounts, then using this glitch to ace hard levels and collect all the bubbles, and go straight to the scoreboard to rob the top spot. Nothing honorable about it - Steveni was smart not to include those kinds of players in the beta. :\

yugnar
08-10-2014, 04:12 PM
We already know where this attitude leads from LBP2.

Hmm... Where is that attitude supposed to lead? As far as I'm concerned LBP2 has the most versatile game editor on game consoles and it has really little glitches if you think of what the devs accomplished creating. I say that if you were implying that it is a glitchy game or something with your comment.

Also, when you said:


The LBP3 beta client likely represents an attack surface like the LBP2 beta client did. By excluding people who are known to exploit the game the devs presumably hope to mitigate this.

They aren't precisely excluding people who are known to exploit the game. They are pretty much doing exactly the opposite thing. What's the Beta test for? The people who truly exploit the game to its limits are the creators who make extremely complex stuff, who blow up the thermo doing things the devs wouldn't even think were possible in the first place as it has happened with both LBP1 & LBP2. That is what the test is for. And that's the kind of creators who were probably invited to the Beta.

evret
08-10-2014, 04:17 PM
You're assuming they are excluding "glitchers"

However, what makes more sense... inviting those who quietly reported dangerous glitches to them and may not be famous because of it... or those who decided to publish them for profit thus damaging the community?

THIS!!!
the best glitchers in lbp are the ones who report said glitch and share it with no-one and therefore are not know as glitchers.
being a well known glitcher means you are known to share exploits with other people and this will not help developers in a beta test.
Due to the nature of a create mode with such freedom there will likely still be bugs in the game when it launches, and people who want fame from glitching (the ones who tell everyone about them) may think it's a good idea to not report something they find just so that they can gather more fame when the game launches. (you cannot talk about bugs/glitches in any closed beta, even after the general NDA is lifted)
They have records of reported bugs and glitches so the best thing they could have done is invite the people who reported bugs/glitches that were never shared with the community.

RockSauron
08-10-2014, 04:28 PM
THIS!!!
the best glitchers in lbp are the ones who report said glitch and share it with no-one and therefore are not know as glitchers.

I'm just quoting this for emphasize, as it really gets to the heart of the matter.

Smuffy04
08-10-2014, 04:31 PM
First of all, we don't share these dangerous kind of glitches because they could fall into the wrong hands. We keep them to ourselves and we experiment with them, then we basically get tired of it. To be honest I don't even know where I can report a bug on this game and they would listen then try to fix it, because these major glitches have been around awhile yet their not fixed. And we don't use the other glitches for fame, we publish them so others can know its usefulness.

Shooter0898
08-10-2014, 05:11 PM
First of all, we don't share these dangerous kind of glitches because they could fall into the wrong hands. We keep them to ourselves and we experiment with them, then we basically get tired of it. To be honest I don't even know where I can report a bug on this game and they would listen then try to fix it, because these major glitches have been around awhile yet their not fixed. And we don't use the other glitches for fame, we publish them so others can know its usefulness.

Have you not thought of why some these glitches haven't been fixed? Re-read your first sentance.

Smuffy04
08-10-2014, 05:14 PM
Have you not thought of why some these glitches haven't been fixed? Re-read your first sentance.

I have wondered why their not fixed. Where is there a place to report them where it will actually be noticed by them, and they try to fix it? If someone told me this place I would report these glitches.

ForgottenEnigma
08-10-2014, 05:27 PM
If someone told me this place I would report these glitches.

Media Molecule used "get satisfaction" for a while but then just asked that people emailed them directly. I'm going to assume that you could now email either Sumo digital or Sony Xdev (and their respective community managers) with issues, but until the game releases it is unlikely they will set up an addresses dedicated to such issues.

Smuffy04
08-10-2014, 05:32 PM
Exactly, I have no place to report the glitches, so I can basically do nothing about them.

thefutureman98
08-10-2014, 05:33 PM
Hi Hyper, I fixed that for you. :)

To the OP ...we have no codes... We suggest folks then Sony and Steven picks from them as well as adds picks of their own. Not saying any of that is complete or not as we simply don't know. Up to Sony, and Steven.

However the OP saying that they will only be Steven's friends and corrupted creators is a bit much. Corrupted? In a game that you get no money for creating or volunteering in the community? There are quite a few folks that like and respect Steven, but saying he would only pick from his friends? I promise you that will be far from the truth. lol I am sure some will thing that and some still think Man has not landed on the Moon and others think crop circles are made by aliens.

As far as recommendations... sure make them. Who knows, Steven might see and include them.

I have to agree with you that saying corrupted is going a bit too far however I believe I tried out a ramp level made by Steveni and to be honest it was total pants. I hope this isn't the work of the Centrals Community Manager because if it is, I'm a little disappointed!

yugnar
08-10-2014, 05:38 PM
I have to agree with you that saying corrupted is going a bit too far however I believe I tried out a ramp level made by Steveni and to be honest it was total pants. I hope this isn't the work of the Centrals Community Manager because if it is, I'm a little disappointed!

That is because the ramp level is kind of a legend in the history of LBP. It wasn't created by StevenI, but it was one of the first creations that amused MM the most and therefore it was... Uhmm taken back. :)



And to @Smuffy04: Saying there's no place to report important glitches in LBP is a bit exaggerated. If you find game breaking glitches I'm sure you could send StevenI a mail or a DM somewhere in his official accounts and he'd be happy to pass it to the responsible team.

jwwphotos
08-10-2014, 05:42 PM
I have to agree with you that saying corrupted is going a bit too far however I believe I tried out a ramp level made by Steveni and to be honest it was total pants. I hope this isn't the work of the Centrals Community Manager because if it is, I'm a little disappointed!

He works for Sony... and even Spaff was no creator. However to clarify he is LBP's community manager... which would include here. Though he doesn't run this site. We work with him of course, but we are in charge of day to day operations.

Ayneh
08-10-2014, 06:19 PM
Did you read it?
Sure, here are the posts I had in mind:



People who are active or helpful in the community are suggested to be in a small batch of community members to partake in the private beta. There is nothing wrong if one is not chosen, its our love for the game that's keep us all together!
Hi Hyper, I fixed that for you. :)

Didn't glitchers leak various captured level parts from the LBP2 beta into the final game? Maybe Sumo doesn't want to risk something like that happening again.

In conclusion, I believe that Beta tests are made in order for people to test the overall fetaures of a game, and all the way better if they are true fans of it. That is why they aren't looking exactly for people who break the game. That's what the staff is for, to break the game knowing how the code was written and which are it's "vulnerabilities". But having the community get their hands in all the features and actual create mode testing is a different thing alltogether than managing to open the create popit in play Mode. I think I already left my opinion clear enough, hope it makes sense to some of you :)What's your specific point of contention with what I wrote?


Where is that attitude supposed to lead? As far as I'm concerned LBP2 has the most versatile game editor on game consoles and it has really little glitches if you think of what the devs accomplished creating. I say that if you were implying that it is a glitchy game or something with your comment.
From a user point of view it can lead to the worse case scenario which is their profiles becoming corrupted, being unable to enter levels or having their levels broken.

From a publisher point of view it means lost revenue in the form of stuff like the ongoing DLC costumes bug, which still hasn't been fixed after years despite numerous reports and threads here.


They aren't precisely excluding people who are known to exploit the game. They are pretty much doing exactly the opposite thing. What's the Beta test for? The people who truly exploit the game to its limits are the creators who make extremely complex stuff, who blow up the thermo doing things the devs wouldn't even think were possible in the first place as it has happened with both LBP1 & LBP2. That is what the test is for. And that's the kind of creators who were probably invited to the Beta.
You're failing to differentiate between people that exploit the game and those that use the tools as God intended. jww made reference to this point here (http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?90559&p=1177751&viewfull=1#post1177751).

Lord-Dreamerz
08-10-2014, 07:57 PM
My reply to this topic is.
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120612080636/glee/images/0/0e/Bunchie.gif

yugnar
08-10-2014, 08:53 PM
From a user point of view it can lead to the worse case scenario which is their profiles becoming corrupted, being unable to enter levels or having their levels broken.

From a publisher point of view it means lost revenue in the form of stuff like the ongoing DLC costumes bug, which still hasn't been fixed after years despite numerous reports and threads here.

Exactly, that's the worst case scenario and it will most likely happen from time to time in the final game, because such a complex game will never be 100% bug free. But I don't think that the absence of some of the self called elite glitchers will helplessly lead to this point...


You're failing to differentiate between people that exploit the game and those that use the tools as God intended. jww made reference to this point here (http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?90559&p=1177751&viewfull=1#post1177751).

I can actually see the difference quite perfectly and have already explained numerous times what I think about both kinds of people. Not much use in telling everything I've already told earlier again here, if you have a different point of view though I totally respect that Ayneh :)

Tynz21
08-10-2014, 08:56 PM
You know, to be honest, I think the op was just mad about not getting a code and wanted to make it into some kind of prejudice thing as a last effort to try to get in.

jwwphotos
08-10-2014, 09:01 PM
You know, to be honest, I think the op was just mad about not getting a code and wanted to make it into some kind of prejudice thing as a last effort to try to get in.

Yeah.. I suspect so, plus with what Bonner said. They weren't really the ones that did whatever claimed anyway. They might have been peering through the windows, but anyway.

wally-217
08-10-2014, 09:09 PM
You know, to be honest, I think the op was just mad about not getting a code and wanted to make it into some kind of prejudice thing as a last effort to try to get in.

That probably crossed most people's minds here at some point during the discussion. From the moment I read the Original Post to see that he had given a list of people he thinks should be in the Beta when in reality he had basically just given a list of him and his friends, I started to doubt his real intentions.

Doopz
08-10-2014, 09:15 PM
I've never seen so much drama caused by a beta for a game. :rolleyes:

I_AM_L_FORCE
08-10-2014, 09:26 PM
Look, all we're saying is, no elite glitchers have gotten into the beta, the complexity of some of our work is too hard to write in a fourm post. The LBP1 god glitch is complex beyond explanation and only 2 people know how to capture stuff (FattyMcintosh and myself) the tutorial glitch is also hard to crack (only me and fatty know it). Its glitches like these that are buried deep within the game that need to be searched for and reported. I doubt no normal player/ low level glitcher will go to such lengths to find these types of glitches. And when discovered in the full game, it'll damage the full community why people don't understand our point I will never know.

ForgottenEnigma
08-10-2014, 09:32 PM
The LBP1 god glitch is complex beyond explanation and only 2 people know how to capture stuff...

...and the developers right? Because obviously you reported it immediately for them to fix. How else would they recognise your usefulness to a beta trial?

Shooter0898
08-10-2014, 09:36 PM
Look, all we're saying is, no elite glitchers have gotten into the beta, the complexity of some of our work is too hard to write in a fourm post. The LBP1 god glitch is complex beyond explanation and only 2 people know how to capture stuff (FattyMcintosh and myself) the tutorial glitch is also hard to crack (only me and fatty know it). Its glitches like these that are buried deep within the game that need to be searched for and reported. I doubt no normal player/ low level glitcher will go to such lengths to find these types of glitches. And when discovered in the full game, it'll damage the full community why people don't understand our point I will never know.

Agin I'll ask this question I've asked before. How do you know no "elite glithchers" have gotten into the beta? There is now bias against "glitchers" which many of you claim to be the case. Heck most people complaining in this thread joined last month or haven't been active at all until recently and they honestly think there is some biased towards their supposed group of players.

To be honest if someone was an "elite glitcher" they would report anything they find and not want fame or recognition for what they have done.often these people are creators themselves and help find glitches that affect the average player they won't want to seek fame for it, they won't want to publish levels on it or even make YouTube videos.

I_AM_L_FORCE
08-10-2014, 09:40 PM
I report in conditions; 1 I have to be in a beta. 2 it has to be game breaking. And 3 if I find a minor bug, I just ignore it due to the fact that 100s more have reported it most likely.

- - - - - - - - - -


...and the developers right? Because obviously you reported it immediately for them to fix. How else would they recognise your usefulness to a beta trial? You think the devs still patch LBP1? have you been living under a rock dude?

Shooter0898
08-10-2014, 09:45 PM
I report in conditions; 1 I have to be in a beta. 2 it has to be game breaking. And 3 if I find a minor bug, I just ignore it due to the fact that 100s more have reported it most likely.

- - - - - - - - - -

You think the devs still patch LBP1? have you been living under a rock dude?

When did he mention LBP1?

ForgottenEnigma
08-10-2014, 09:46 PM
I report in conditions; 1 I have to be in a beta. 2 it has to be game breaking. And 3 if I find a minor bug, I just ignore it due to the fact that 100s more have reported it most likely.

You think the devs still patch LBP1? have you been living under a rock dude?

A. Maybe think about how your answer sounds in regards to developers choosing worthwhile candidates? Like with a job interview you have to sell yourself. Report all bugs immediately and without publically revealing them. The developers will decide on their severity and the order of what gets fixed first so don't ignore something just because you consider it minor. Finally, don't assume others will do the work for you. The definition of a "glitcher" is somebody who exploits programming faults for personal gain which doesn't sound very good in the grand scheme of things... instead the beta needs bug blasters.

B. Not that I mentioned lbp1, but, I do know that LBP2 runs on a modified LBP1 engine and thus bugs survived the transition... bugs that could have been killed early if reported but instead were exploited.

I_AM_L_FORCE
08-10-2014, 09:46 PM
The LBP1 god glitch he said I would've reported...

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We discovered the LBP1 God Glitch long after the release of LBP2 we're talking early/mid 2014

TheCountessZ
08-10-2014, 10:08 PM
Here's my problem with this whole issue. In real life, this would be considered hacking. So "glitchers" and "hackers" - same thing in my opinion. Glitchers ruined a profile of a good friend of mine. A hacker highjacked my credit card, spent some money at a Target in California and also used it for taxi fare. Glitching/Hacking are not cool.

Smuffy04
08-10-2014, 10:20 PM
You see that is the problem I have with you guys, you think were some kind of game breaking group who are only hungry for fame, attention, and to annoy people.

Shooter0898
08-10-2014, 10:27 PM
You see that is the problem I have with you guys, you think were some kind of game breaking group who are only hungry for fame, attention, and to annoy people.

You don't seem to get some of our points though. You claim that your "group" is being discriminated against by not being allowed in the beta when that is entirely not the case. You claim to be part of some group of elites when in reality if you acctually cared about the development of the game you would report all bugs you come across no matter how minor. You act as if no-one in the beta will be looking for glitches and will be sitting there with their finger up their nose not doing anything which again is entirely not the case.

RockSauron
08-10-2014, 10:30 PM
You see that is the problem I have with you guys, you think were some kind of game breaking group who are only hungry for fame, attention, and to annoy people.

Considering "glitchers" claim to be "ELITE" and "Deserve" to be in the beta because you're not "Corrupt" and constantly place all their achievements in front of them as a badge of honor, I don't see how that's not really that wrong an assumption to make.

Smuffy04
08-10-2014, 10:32 PM
Were not a group, first of all.
Im not so angry in not being in the beta as much as the others.
We don't claim were "elites" like were the best ever but we do have alot of experience in glitching.
I would report glitches if someone told me where I can in the first place...
The other people may try to find glitches but were just saying were pretty good at this, so why not invite us? Thats all.

RockSauron
08-10-2014, 10:35 PM
Were not a group, first of all.
Im not so angry in not being in the beta as much as the others.
We don't claim were "elites" like were the best ever but we do have alot of experience in glitching.
I would report glitches if someone told me where I can in the first place...
The other people may try to find glitches but were just saying were pretty good at this, so why not invite us? Thats all.

You say you're not a group, but speak in terms of "we" and "us".

Nice.

Smuffy04
08-10-2014, 10:37 PM
You say you're not a group, but speak in terms of "we" and "us".

Nice.
What I meant is were not some kind of clan or anything that plans and stuff.

Shooter0898
08-10-2014, 10:40 PM
What I meant is were not some kind of clan or anything that plans and stuff.

So if you're not one group how do you know that no "glitchers" are in the beta?

RockSauron
08-10-2014, 10:41 PM
So if you're not one group how do you know that no "glitchers" are in the beta?

I'd just like to point out that this is the point I was trying to make in my last post. You said it more clearly though.

Smuffy04
08-10-2014, 10:42 PM
Because i've asked plenty of noticeable glitchers already and they all say no, but there could be 1 or 2 in the beta...

Shooter0898
08-10-2014, 10:45 PM
Because i've asked plenty of noticeable glitchers already and they all say no, but there could be 1 or 2 in the beta...

But did you ask them all?

Smuffy04
08-10-2014, 10:47 PM
But did you ask them all?

I've asked plenty, but I don't exactly have the time to go through all of them.

Shooter0898
08-10-2014, 10:48 PM
I've asked plenty, but I don't exactly have the time to go through all of them.

Well then you can't claim that no "glitchers" got in can you?

Smuffy04
08-10-2014, 10:49 PM
When did I state that in the first place?

lve_msg
08-10-2014, 10:49 PM
im in it


not really, I don't care either way though lol

Shooter0898
08-10-2014, 10:52 PM
When did I state that in the first place?

Your first post on this thread...


Its not that im upset, its just that I know I don't have a chance of getting in just because im a glitcher and they don't invite them when they could find the most glitches...

Smuffy04
08-10-2014, 10:54 PM
I didn't exactly know there was glitchers in the beta before.

Shooter0898
08-10-2014, 10:56 PM
I didn't exactly know there was glitchers in the beta before.

So you went from saying there were no "glitchers" in the beta to saying there is?

Smuffy04
08-10-2014, 10:58 PM
You said how do I know theres no glitchers in the beta, and then it occured to me that there COULD be glitchers in it, so I implied thinking there are.

Shooter0898
08-10-2014, 11:09 PM
You said how do I know theres no glitchers in the beta, and then it occured to me that there COULD be glitchers in it, so im thinking there are.

But you originally were complaining about how there could be no because and I will quote you here...


I know I don't have a chance of getting in just because im a glitcher and they don't invite them when they could find the most glitches...

Most of your points have been about some sort of group, which you now say doesn't exist, being not allowed into the beta when they spend most of their time glitching. Some "glitchers" in this thread have admitted to not even reporting them. The devs won't want people that break the game and don't report it no matter how minor a bug.

Smuffy04
08-10-2014, 11:12 PM
Just because I say "them" doesn't mean im referring to a group, I mean other glitchers.
And if I was in the beta I would report bugs, but I know you won't take my word for it.

Shooter0898
08-10-2014, 11:47 PM
Just because I say "them" doesn't mean im referring to a group, I mean other glitchers.
And if I was in the beta I would report bugs, but I know you won't take my word for it.

I'll quote Rawk on this...


You say you're not a group, but speak in terms of "we" and "us".

Nice.

You imply it by the use of these words. And the fact your clearly upset at the fact no or little "glitchers" got in yet don't think about everything else that needs to be tested. The devs aren't just testing for game breaking bugs they are testing to see what works with the game and what doesn't. They need to see how something can be improved. Glitches and bugs are a small part of the process and demanding more people who specialise in " glitching" is completely wrong.

grayspence
08-10-2014, 11:54 PM
LBP3, It could be a great game... but! Remember LBP2. that had an extremely glitchy beta and a glitchier final game... This is some evidence that LBP3 BETA needs some real testers... Steveni 's friends shouldnt be testers :moody: ... There all overknown, corrupted creators. LBP2 was extremely glitchy... Even 31 updates in, many OP glitches still exist... im going to list some lbp creators and others that really deserve the beta!

-Me ( NEW 2014 LBP2 DLC GLITCH, and close to a new overlord, and created cool illusions)
-Fattymcintosh (LBP1 god glitch, supersack)
-Bonnell7 Extremely good with logic. (Most likely the best)
-jimmyj75 (glitcher)
-mastablastya (i'd buy the music that person makes)
-smuffy04 (assisted in finding LBP1 god glitch)
-I_AM_G_FORCE, he's such a good glitcher it almost got him banned permentely...

They have all done amazing things that has revolutionized LBP in such a way... Its worthy of a :royalty:

They... Deserve... A Beta code, more than anyone else...


Man this is just wonderful.

The arrogance and ignorance is almost TOO pungent. :')

Raku
08-10-2014, 11:56 PM
I'm surprised nobody noticed this so I'm gonna jump in here...


I report in conditions; 1 I have to be in a beta. [snip]

Why do you have to be in beta in order to report glitches? Shouldn't you be reporting them regardless? That invalidates your complaint/point to some extent. You shouldn't have to be in a beta in order to report a glitch, you should be reporting glitches no matter how old they are because you care. Obviously right here it shows you don't... Okay that not fair, maybe to some extent you do care, but so far the only person you care the most about here is yourself. Sadly that doesn't work and shouldn't work...

This is how your point comes across to me:
Yeah, I came across a couple trolls and spam accounts today, but forget it... I'm not a mod/admin so why deal with them? I caught someone doing something illegal today, but I'm not a cop or someone of authority, so why bother? I caught someone cheating on a test, but I'm not a teacher/not getting paid for this... Why bother?

You should be taking care of these things because you care. A reward should just be that (a reward) and not an expectation. If StevenI (or someone else for that matter) gives you something it's because you deserved it not because you were expecting to receive it.

TheMicrowavePanda
08-10-2014, 11:57 PM
I love how you put yourself first just incase someone missed you XD

biorogue
08-11-2014, 12:04 AM
When it comes to "glitchers".... On second thought.

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/29/interesting-thread.gif

Chazprime
08-11-2014, 12:07 AM
What's your specific point of contention with what I wrote?


Your assumption that "glitchers" are excluded from the beta, just because none of the ones here have been invited.

GooeyGhost
08-11-2014, 12:20 AM
https://forum.woodenaxe.com/attachments/330x182px-ll-7dc6c095_micheal-jackson-eating-popcorn-theater-gif-gif.853/

Tynz21
08-11-2014, 12:30 AM
I think we're seeing the conception of a new age in littlebigplanet. The age of the glitchers rights movements... spearheaded by such eloquent wordsmiths as Ultimatben, who has successfully created "cool illusions" with his masterful glitching.

JellyBellyScout
08-11-2014, 12:35 AM
LBP3, It could be a great game... but! Remember LBP2. that had an extremely glitchy beta and a glitchier final game... This is some evidence that LBP3 BETA needs some real testers... Steveni 's friends shouldnt be testers :moody: ... There all overknown, corrupted creators. LBP2 was extremely glitchy... Even 31 updates in, many OP glitches still exist... im going to list some lbp creators and others that really deserve the beta!

-Me ( NEW 2014 LBP2 DLC GLITCH, and close to a new overlord, and created cool illusions)
-Fattymcintosh (LBP1 god glitch, supersack)
-Bonnell7 Extremely good with logic. (Most likely the best)
-jimmyj75 (glitcher)
-mastablastya (i'd buy the music that person makes)
-smuffy04 (assisted in finding LBP1 god glitch)
-I_AM_G_FORCE, he's such a good glitcher it almost got him banned permentely...

They have all done amazing things that has revolutionized LBP in such a way... Its worthy of a :royalty:

They... Deserve... A Beta code, more than anyone else...

48814

Shooter0898
08-11-2014, 12:36 AM
I think we're seeing the conception of a new age in littlebigplanet. The age of the glitchers rights movements... spearheaded by such eloquent wordsmiths as Ultimatben, who has successfully created "cool illusions" with his masterful glitching.

They will then fight for "emo" rights in LBP, then the "copiers" rights movement will gain momentum and before you know it we'll all be holding hands and dancing underneath a rainbow.

Lbphart3
08-11-2014, 12:37 AM
Lol im so lost with the op and everything else.. The hole thread is funny lol.:D

http://media1.giphy.com/media/evWLoYo9qpkcg/200_s.gif

bagheadinc
08-11-2014, 12:39 AM
I think the real question is why didn't Latin_Player_10 get into the beta?

biorogue
08-11-2014, 12:40 AM
You're not the only one.

http://i.imgur.com/zcl8VKy.jpg

ForgottenEnigma
08-11-2014, 12:43 AM
Maybe hold off on the pictures/gifs guys? I don't agree with the proposition of this thread as has been made evident but they deserve a clean environment to present their case nonetheless.

Tynz21
08-11-2014, 12:43 AM
I think the real question is why didn't Latin_Player_10 get into the beta?

Yeah I'm pretty bent about that to be honest. I mean come on! The guy has like 50,000 hearts and a few million plays, everyone knows him, and he sure knows how to work the system. What a joke that he isn't in.

grayspence
08-11-2014, 12:45 AM
Maybe hold off on the pictures/gifs guys? I don't agree with the proposition of this thread as has been made evident but they deserve a clean environment to present their case nonetheless.

They might as well get their hits in while they can. As soon as I saw the garbage OP was spouting, I had a vision of a lock coming swiftly.

TheMonkeyBlade
08-11-2014, 12:47 AM
http://i.imgur.com/0KHLCqv.gif

Shooter0898
08-11-2014, 12:47 AM
They might as well get their hits in while they can. I can see a lock coming from a mile away.

An abandon thread GIF could be very fitting here...

ForgottenEnigma
08-11-2014, 12:48 AM
Well then take note... it isn't the "glitchers" derailing this thread. Regardless of your stance here, represent the best of the lbp community and discuss this in a civilized manner.

biorogue
08-11-2014, 12:49 AM
Forget glitchers. What about people like me who can make the best square in all of LBP? Shouldn't I be a part? I mean, there is nobody around who can make a square like me. I haven't progressed to triangles yet, but I'm getting there. Perhaps that's why? And what about people who make the best elevators? They should be in it too. Where the heck would we be without elevators? And stairs! I met this dude one time who made the best stairs around man. You wouldn't believe the stairs this guy made. Very symmetrical. Yeah, I should definitely be in because of my squares. Matter of fact, I think I should have a job with Sumo Digital. I'm off to submit my application now.

grayspence
08-11-2014, 12:50 AM
Well then take note... it isn't the "glitchers" derailing this thread.

It's almost as if we can't have fun around here anymore :kz:

Seriously though, the glitchers aren't taking anything we say seriously, so why should we? If anything the gifs should only ramp up the speed in which this is ended. Once and for all.

wally-217
08-11-2014, 12:50 AM
This thread is rather precarious with it's presumptuous proposals and less-than-pragmatic propositions preceding pretentious presuppositions. Perhaps perpetual perceptions parallel to this particular piece should perish as it a far-from perfect way to secure a procurement perpetrating to Beta access for "Glitchers". Can a moderator please preclude the protraction of this discussion.

EinRobot
08-11-2014, 12:51 AM
I think someone who starts a list of people who should be in the beta with themselves is a shoe in for the beta.


Bizzaro

Shooter0898
08-11-2014, 12:52 AM
Forget glitchers. What about people like me who can make the best square in all of LBP? Shouldn't I be a part? I mean, there is nobody around who can make a square like me. I haven't progressed to triangles yet, but I'm getting there. Perhaps that's why? And what about people who make the best elevators? They should be in it too. Where the heck would we be without elevators? And stairs! I met this dude one time who made the best stairs around man. You wouldn't believe the stairs this guy made. Very symmetrical. Yeah, I should definitely be in because of my squares. Matter of fact, I think I should have a job with Sumo Digital. I'm off to submit my application now.

I know this is meant sarcastically but it acctually has a point. If "glitchers" are allowed in to soley find glitches then surely others who specilise in other areas be invited. Like musicians should be allowed in just because they primarily focus on music right?

No because betas don't work like that!

Bremnen
08-11-2014, 12:54 AM
I'm not sure if i'm impressed that this thread got to page 6 before the spam started or disappointed that this thread was allowed to get past one page in the first place, and that so many of you are adding fuel to something that if it weren't about the beta would have been extinguished before it even started.

KlawwTheClown
08-11-2014, 12:58 AM
The beta's just really really small, man.

I drew this for Steben and I didn't even get in!

http://i.imgur.com/oOkpfeM.png

Lady_Luck__777
08-11-2014, 01:09 AM
Yep, it's now way past any constructive or productive value.
Locking