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XX_sonicfan_XX
09-16-2014, 10:07 PM
i just realized,we need the boos back! there is no way of downrating a level,so more copied levels get to flood the whole game!With boos,they would get pushed back to where no one would see them!Without boos,we are just gonna replay the life cycle of lbp2!

samalot
09-16-2014, 10:18 PM
The thing is, even when Boos were in the game, copied levels still seemed to flood the cool pages...

I'm not saying that they shouldn't return, but i'm not convinced it would solve the problem.

There needs to be a better system really. Maybe some kind of watermark, so that if players copy a level and try to re-upload it from a different account, everyone will be able to see that they are not the original creator ?

ForgottenEnigma
09-16-2014, 10:27 PM
There is literally no need for a boo button... not rating the level will automatically rank it lower than those with a smiley face. If you really want to see better levels get the attention they deserve then take inspiration from our Spotlight Crew and feel free to recommend them on the forums after the game launches.

samalot
09-16-2014, 10:31 PM
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This.

It may put non-forum creators at a slight disadvantage,

but the best way forwards is for spotlight crews like this to push the gems to the forefront. I would really like to see a dedicated section for spotlighted levels (from reputable teams) ingame.

Smuffy04
09-16-2014, 11:31 PM
To be honest we really don't need them to return.

After all, what good is it booing levels in the first place? Only the trollers and little kids used the boo rating you could say, and boos were actually discouraging others from making more levels.

Sure, you might need it to downrate a copied level but what good would that do? Feed them more hate (which is what they want)?

Also, the Cool Pages have been removed from LBP3, so you hopefully won't see those copied levels anymore...

jwwphotos
09-17-2014, 12:05 AM
I still don't understand why you (the op) is so fixated on what others do.

As I have said before you are mostly complaining about kids that actually think publishing a copied level or doing H4H is part of the game. They don't know any better and some couldn't make a level to save their own life. Their biggest gift to art is a finger paint that their parents stuck to the fridge. They play hopscotch on a tennis court and tag on a basketball court.

Let it go!!!

Take advantage of our level showcase. Show us what you have and let us help you get better. :)

KlawwTheClown
09-17-2014, 12:22 AM
The reason I miss the boo rating is because it made the "Highest rated this week" page into a surprisingly good source for finding cool levels quickly. Ever since the boos disappeared, it's just been a carbon copy of the cool pages which is really disappointing.

I know that forums exist and all that, but there should seriously be a way to find good levels from within the game itself by now.

There used​ to be a way, but it's gone now. I'd be fine without boos if there was a way to find good levels again.

Edit: Also copied levels are no problem at all lol

amiel445566
09-17-2014, 12:23 AM
I still don't understand why you (the op) is so fixated on what others do.

As I have said before you are mostly complaining about kids that actually think publishing a copied level or doing H4H is part of the game. They don't know any better and some couldn't make a level to save their own life. Their biggest gift to art is a finger paint that their parents stuck to the fridge. They play hopscotch on a tennis court and tag on a basketball court.

Let it go!!!

Take advantage of our level showcase. Show us what you have and let us help you get better. :)

1. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

2. absolutely correct, our own community, although not directly part of lbp DOES give you the ability to sift through things you might not want to play, and... NO SPAM!

jwwphotos
09-17-2014, 12:54 AM
1. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

2. absolutely correct, our own community, although not directly part of lbp DOES give you the ability to sift through things you might not want to play, and... NO SPAM!

..and even outside of LBPC, we have incredible tools like LBP.me to see what your friends / hearted creators are playing, hearting and leaving feedback on. Some of the coolest levels I have found were from just using that as a tool and seeing what my hearted list was checking out and enjoying.

Devious_Oatmeal
09-17-2014, 01:28 AM
Well. Maybe there can be two categories for the Queue. One for the levels you have queued yourself, and one that automatically queues the levels that players you have hearted, have [hearted'shared] themselves. Maybe even add a new thing called share. When someone clicks on share after playing a level, it queues the level in the other Queue category of others. And I suppose there could even be a thing that tells you if others you are 'following' or hearted have also hearted or shared the level.

This many people that you [follow/hearted] have also [shared/hearted] this level.

LBP.me is nice! Makes it easy to queue things while in the forums, but for those not on the forums and who do not feel like starting their computer to go online to search since they are comfortably playing their system already, perhaps maybe they'll [heart/follow] the creator if they enjoy their levels, then the creators will [heart/share] other levels and then the ones who followed them would be like, "Neat. They liked this. Maybe I should try it."

Although I'm just brainstormin' here and an issue may be that the more creators you [heart/follow], the bigger that queue will get.

MMLgamer
09-17-2014, 06:50 PM
I'd like the boos to come back but only as a way of showing criticism without having to write a review. Not everyone will play the level as the host and not every host will just wait around until you're done writing a review. The boos or any other way of showing negative criticism would not have to affect the cool pages or any kind of search results at all. Only yays would do that.

Another possibility would be to bring back the 5 star rating system, only this time it wouldn't be averaged out. Each possible rating would be tallied so popular levels would look like this:

5 stars: a jillion (u iz luved)
4 stars: two jillion (default choice, so a lot of lazy players would choose it)
3 stars: half a pillion (critics will be critics)
2 stars: a hundred (hipsters)
1 star: two trillion (TROLLS!)
And, by default, the search results would only look at 5 star tallies, but you might could modify it to look at the other tallies.

rave2014e
09-17-2014, 07:08 PM
No what we need is a filter or a separate section for only copied levels that way that section will only be copied levels and the other levels will be regular uncopied levels think that idea is the best overall and will save LBP3

MMLgamer
09-17-2014, 07:18 PM
No what we need is a filter or a separate section for only copied levels that way that section will only be copied levels and the other levels will be regular uncopied levels think that idea is the best overall and will save LBP3

Except that would kill any genuinely original level that was built on top of a copied level. Plus trolls would get around that by just capturing chunks of the level and stamping them into another one.

I don't think this is a problem with a simple solution. I myself haven't provided one, but I don't think punishing a community by taking away negative feedback or attacking the copy feature will do much good.

Jonarrthan
09-17-2014, 07:29 PM
There is literally no need for a boo button... not rating the level will automatically rank it lower than those with a smiley face. If you really want to see better levels get the attention they deserve then take inspiration from our Spotlight Crew and feel free to recommend them on the forums after the game launches.

When boss and Yays were around you could clearly see how people liked a level, Not Yaying a level doesn't say if people didn't like the level or if people couldn't be bothered to vote. I will be honest Yays are completely useless without Boos. It was a thumps up and thumps down. System which is almost universially considered the most efficient rating system.


Should boos come back either yes or just take away the Yay optional as well because if people like a level they are probably going to heart and if they hate it they are just going to leave it.


I personally liked the fact people could boo my level. Back then I could clearly see 20 yays, 5 boos so only 1 in 5 people hated my level and the others didn't bother to vote. Now it feels 20 yays, 60 plays. If I take not Yaying as not liking the level that would mean 2in 3 people didn't like the level.

The options should be Yays/ Boos or disable all feedback. Because truthfully the amounts of Yays a level got means nothing at all. Also people who used to just boo a level they didn't like have now moved to writing it in the comments (often in a more hurtfull way) so it was redunant to remove it at all

XX_sonicfan_XX
09-18-2014, 12:57 AM
The thing is is that copied levels wouldn't show up as much as they would before boos were gone. Kids or not, if we don't bring back the boo rating,spammed levels will just flood the system. When the cool levels would get processed, it would check the boo/yay ratings. Take away the boom and basically any level with high plays got in. The cool levels offered more diversity than forum spotlights,I swear that's just platformers and puzzles. The cool levels had hangouts,logic tutorials,new glitches,cool item giveaways,and more. You are allowed to have your opinion, but really, the boo needs to be back. It was better than the star rating system.

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All we need is a better filter system than "Tags" and boos, Or any type of rating system other than stars back! Without boos, it's just thumbs ups only. That's like saying "hey vote for which candy you like"mane you can only choose butterscotch. (Mind you I like butterscotch, but not everyone else)

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Also, I just realized I should change the post name. Gosh,it sounds like one of those annoying Facebook posts. "Man orders food! What happens next is mind blowing!"

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There is literally no need for a boo button... not rating the level will automatically rank it lower than those with a smiley face. If you really want to see better levels get the attention they deserve then take inspiration from our Spotlight Crew and feel free to recommend them on the forums after the game launches.
Imagine it like this:a level has maybe around 1000 plays. It's a copied mortal kombat. The game, only seeing the yays (since boos are gone) think " oh this is a great level! COOL PAGED.
Repeat this a billion times and you have Lbp2

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To be honest we really don't need them to return.

After all, what good is it booing levels in the first place? Only the trollers and little kids used the boo rating you could say, and boos were actually discouraging others from making more levels.

Sure, you might need it to downrate a copied level but what good would that do? Feed them more hate (which is what they want)?

Also, the Cool Pages have been removed from LBP3, so you hopefully won't see those copied levels anymore...

Just because cool pages are gone doesn't mean no one will copy. If there are only bomb survivals, your reccomended box will be full of them,even if u haven't played one before

Smuffy04
09-18-2014, 01:07 AM
The thing is is that copied levels wouldn't show up as much as they would before boos were gone. Kids or not, if we don't bring back the boo rating,spammed levels will just flood the system. When the cool levels would get processed, it would check the boo/yay ratings. Take away the boom and basically any level with high plays got in. The cool levels offered more diversity than forum spotlights,I swear that's just platformers and puzzles. The cool levels had hangouts,logic tutorials,new glitches,cool item giveaways,and more. You are allowed to have your opinion, but really, the boo needs to be back. It was better than the star rating system.

If you really think about it, the boo rating was just a nuisance to the real creators of LittleBigPlanet, all it was good for was downrating copied levels.

..Also: you do know playing a copied level just to boo and/or leave a bad review is just giving it more plays right? It will increase its rank in the Cool Pages.

Anyway, stop using the Cool Pages as your source of levels so much, as I said before, we have the spotlights over here and there's some mighty fine levels being showcased in the Level Showcase section. Personally I find them better than the Cool Pages, but thats my opinion. :)

XX_sonicfan_XX
09-18-2014, 01:17 AM
Why would someone down rate an actual level? And before you say "trolls",it would take hundreds to make it look bad.
Does forum spotlight have survivals?
New glitches?
Item giveaways?
Cool costume giveaways?
Logic giveaways?
Hangouts?
All they have are platformers and puzzles (no offense)
Lastly,you need the boo button just for the sake of rating.without the boo button,it's not a FULL system,and more bad levels get noticed,wether it be lucky dip,most populars,heck it makes finding MM picks harder. Either boo button or nothing,you choose.


Also,if you get upset over someone critiquing your creation,either fix it or don't whine.(man harsh)

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Just checked the spotlights 144, and around 90 percent were platformers. Maybe 2 percent movies,1 percent obstacle course,and 7 percent mini games.

jwwphotos
09-18-2014, 01:33 AM
You have been here all of a month and know NOTHING of our spotlights. You haven't even posted a level in our level showcase, but you feel you know so much about our community here at LBPC.

So one more time.... as I am pretty sure I said something similar in your thread about the cool pages.

There are survival levels in the spotlights. There have been tons of them!!! Whatever level raises the bar and the Spotlight team finds to meet their scrutiny makes it in the spotlight.

In the object showcase and tutorials there are tons of logic giveaways, glitches, items, costumes etc...

So please stop making up stuff as it is a bit irritating to keep correcting you.

Lady_Luck__777
09-18-2014, 01:40 AM
FYI

April 16, 2012
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/04/16/sack-it-to-me-a-new-update-and-a-lot-of-yays/

"Boo-Be-Gone
To help encourage creativity, we have removed the Boos from the Level Rating System. You can still Yay a level to say that you really liked it, but we found that the Boo ratings were disheartening at best, and could be used to cause grief amongst the community."


What I remember is the Community complained about the boo button and the way it was being abused.
This update removed the boo rating. Mm removed it because people abused it and used it to harass others.

EDIT:
Also found this:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Little-Big-Planet-2-Updated-Eliminates-Boo-Feature-Encourages-Collaboration-264890.shtml

XX_sonicfan_XX
09-18-2014, 01:56 AM
Before boo button removal:No this is ruining the game people are getting attacked by boos and using it wrong!
After boo button removal: we need boos back please!

Also, I have seen the forum spotlight before, but not everyone knows about this website. Cool levels were an easy access to ,well basically what forum spotlights are ,but with more variety.

Smuffy04
09-18-2014, 01:59 AM
Also, I have seen the forum spotlight before, but not everyone knows about this website. Cool levels were an easy access to ,well basically what forum spotlights are ,but with more variety.

More variety you say? Well lets see, copied levels, and the hangouts and costume giveaways are not considered worthy of a spotlight because, well, they're quite mediocre, and too simple. Giveaways aren't naturally put into the spotlight.

XX_sonicfan_XX
09-18-2014, 02:10 AM
That is true. But sometimes they are fun. A piece of cardboard could be fun, but just because it's simple doesn't mean it's bad.

I'm sorry but can an admin delete the "mind blown" part of this post?

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Maybe in lbp3 sumo should add in a LBPC spotlight page

Mega_Mario_Man
09-20-2014, 07:42 PM
What people are saying about bringing the Boo back seems true. I think that the balance is necessary for the community. Just because a slew of trolls hate everything that takes longer than 10 seconds to load doesn't mean that the Boo belongs in the scrap heap. With just yays, it seems like the approval rating of levels is inflated. Good if it's a genuinely good level, but Sturgeon's Law says that at least 90% is crap. In the same vein, removing the Yay (I know that's not happening, but bear with me) would severely deflate the system, to the point where Sturgeon's Law can't even describe it. The point is, the balance is key if the Boos will be coming back. If they do, hopefully the community won't abuse this power this time around. Yeah, I'm laughing at that too.

See also: Sturgeon's Law.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SturgeonsLaw

TimeLordBlue
09-20-2014, 11:42 PM
I prefer the cool levels. It wasn't hard to find actual good levels on the cool levels. I don't like going to community spotlight because it was a chore, and I don't want to play a whole bunch of levels that are amazing and stand out. I just want to play simple fun levels that are fun by myself and more importantly with friends. Like those Black ops 2 zombie survival levels. They were so fun, or those DBZ levels. They weren't amazing by any standards, but they were fun and enjoyable, especially with friends. This is why more than often I would rather check up whats new on the cool pages rather than the MM Picks. Also, it would be nice if you guys could focus on levels that are fun while also picking those amazing levels that are good to look at.

Just my 2 cents

XX_sonicfan_XX
09-21-2014, 01:33 AM
Is..Is it true? Some..Someone who agrees with me?!

The cool levels were an easy source because it was directly in-game.if spotlights were in-game, you guys and gals would just have more work.

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you cant have yin-yang if you take away yang. then you just have yin.





and yin is lonely.

MMLgamer
09-21-2014, 03:27 PM
Okay, I've heard arguments for and against boos returning for the purpose of affecting cool pages, but does anyone see a problem with boos returning but not having them affect search results and just simply giving a quick option to show criticism?

Mega_Mario_Man
09-21-2014, 03:30 PM
Okay, I've heard arguments for and against boos returning for the purpose of affecting cool pages, but does anyone see a problem with boos returning but not having them affect search results and just simply giving a quick option to show criticism?

So like an option to search for levels that people boo, or being able to Toggle whether or not levels with high boos are filtered out?

MMLgamer
09-21-2014, 05:18 PM
So like an option to search for levels that people boo, or being able to Toggle whether or not levels with high boos are filtered out?

I mean not incorporating boos into the search results at all by default (so I guess the latter). It would only be for quick criticism by those who play a level but don't want to make people wait while they give it a review.

XX_sonicfan_XX
09-22-2014, 03:46 AM
Spolight isgreat like ive said before,but they arent implemented in-game. cool levels were,and guess what:i dont care if hangouts and zombie survivals and other stuff in the pages are trash,they brought my friends and I fun,and isnt that LBP is mainly about?having fun?

blacksackman
09-22-2014, 01:48 PM
There's no point in debating anymore since boos will never come back into LBP. The only positive thing about it is the ability to use it on copied levels and push them down from the lists. But even that has it's negative effect. The majority of LBP is in fact kids, if we where to use the boo against them we would be countered with the same tactics as they don't know any better. Quality doesn't matter.

XX_sonicfan_XX
09-22-2014, 10:12 PM
There's no point in debating anymore since boos will never come back into LBP. The only positive thing about it is the ability to use it on copied levels and push them down from the lists. But even that has it's negative effect. The majority of LBP is in fact kids, if we where to use the boo against them we would be countered with the same tactics as they don't know any better. Quality doesn't matter.

sooo basically you are saying that EVERYTHING except for copied levels are great and shouldnt be booed. Its criticism. we might not need boos, but we need just some kind of rating system. 5 stars were too broad of an answer. yays and boos were an easy ratio to see its worth your waiting time.

dyna
09-22-2014, 10:44 PM
sooo basically you are saying that EVERYTHING except for copied levels are great and shouldnt be booed. Its criticism. we might not need boos, but we need just some kind of rating system. 5 stars were too broad of an answer. yays and boos were an easy ratio to see its worth your waiting time.

Boos aren't returning, and many people don't see them being brought back. I also don't think he was saying that, I feel he was just trying to explain that "Boos" are quite a negative thing, and didn't really help a lot of people. I think the Heart:Yay:Play ratio is a much nicer way of rating levels. I don't think its very nice saying how bad peoples levels are, no matter how terrible it is.

XX_sonicfan_XX
09-22-2014, 11:06 PM
its not bad! its critiquing! you cant have a rating system that only has a "good" choice. then its not rating. other than people getting sad,whats so bad about boos returning?

dyna
09-22-2014, 11:21 PM
its not bad! its critiquing! you cant have a rating system that only has a "good" choice. then its not rating. other than people getting sad,whats so bad about boos returning?

The fact that people rate levels down for no reason? Team Picks would receive tons of down votes for no reason. And it is not critiquing, it is being very nasty to someone because they don't live up to your explanations. a neutral face with CONSTRUCTIVE criticism is much more friendly looking. Just because you aren't affected by a rating on your level, doesn't mean others aren't.

MMLgamer
09-22-2014, 11:53 PM
The fact that people rate levels down for no reason? Team Picks would receive tons of down votes for no reason. And it is not critiquing, it is being very nasty to someone because they don't live up to your explanations. a neutral face with CONSTRUCTIVE criticism is much more friendly looking. Just because you aren't affected by a rating on your level, doesn't mean others aren't.

..."being very nasty" huh? Well, I'm glad LBP has become a beacon of self-esteem where everyone feels good about themselves.

XX_sonicfan_XX
09-22-2014, 11:59 PM
1:the boo button hasnt been confirmed being gone.
2: MM picks get nearly no down votes. the ratio is usually Yays=10,000 Boos=500. those levels never get downvoted. if they do, its usually trolls. and i think people know that an MM pick is going to be good.
3:YES,it is critiquing.A sad face wont make someone go into depression.
4:The cool levels were in ps vita, and they did very well,with mostly no copied levels (at most maybe 2 in a month)
5:Sumo should just create a tool that makes copied levels not able to be published,only by the original creator.



Face it, without boos its not a rating system. either add boos or have nothing,because it really doesnt make sense to only have one. its not really free speech if you can only pick one. a neutral face doesnt show that it was bad.

rarfi
09-23-2014, 07:53 AM
What's the problem again?
If it's because you don't have time to critique the level right after finishing it you can always go back to do so.
If this is about spammers then a "Ignore levels by this creator" button would be much better.

Rabid-Coot
09-23-2014, 09:15 AM
Boo or some equivalent negative rating needs to make a comeback but be used in a different way. Make it so nobody can see how many Boos a level has and instead use them as part of your personal recommendations calculation.

Maybe Yay = Really enjoyed prioritise finding more like this.
No rating = Neutral feelings find more but give less priority.
Boo = Try to avoid sugesting similar.

Ali_Star
09-23-2014, 09:27 AM
Looks like the OP has been banned, but in my view boos are bad. Critiquing can be done in a review or comment. Think of all the levels out there that the creator put a lot of work into, and it's obvious the level are of a good quality - they'd still receive plenty of boos. Mainly out of spite, or if a player is rubbish at the level etc etc. It's not a fair reflection.

Bremnen
09-23-2014, 01:37 PM
There is no such thing as a good rating system.
The only useful rating system would be in the form of Rabid-Coots suggestion of friend-only recommendations.
If you want to get an idea of the level read the reviews and hope they're useful or, you know, actually play it.

dyna
09-23-2014, 08:13 PM
Looks like the OP has been banned, but in my view boos are bad. Critiquing can be done in a review or comment. Think of all the levels out there that the creator put a lot of work into, and it's obvious the level are of a good quality - they'd still receive plenty of boos. Mainly out of spite, or if a player is rubbish at the level etc etc. It's not a fair reflection.

Thank god, someone who agrees. Boos just brought a lot of negativity to many levels and such. Why would anyone want to give solid negative feedback to someone, or just abuse the system it to down rate levels because it was hard or because they hate the creator or something similar.

RockSauron
09-23-2014, 08:18 PM
I know I'm just jumping on the bandwagon, but I agree that just giving a Boo isn't "criticism". Having a negative counter IS demoralizing, especially for noobs (like myself). If you want to give criticism, then actually give it. A boo does nothing except demoralize the receiver.

jorgedasack
09-23-2014, 08:57 PM
we dont need boos back, we need the star ratings back

TimeLordBlue
09-23-2014, 10:44 PM
I'd take anything that I can give a rating to if I don't like the level, whether it's boos or stars. I just want to play fun levels with my friends that are considered trash by this community. There is nothing wrong with not playing something that isn't the best of the best, or near that standard. I just want something similar to how the cool pages were, there was nothing wrong with them. Sure there are copied levels, but that was never a problem. Just make it so You can't carbon copy a level and post it, and you have to put at least some logic or create things in it.


I feel like I'm the only one who didn't care that there were copied levels, because it was easy to find great fun levels in the cool pages.

Ali_Star
09-24-2014, 01:10 PM
I know I'm just jumping on the bandwagon, but I agree that just giving a Boo isn't "criticism". Having a negative counter IS demoralizing, especially for noobs (like myself). If you want to give criticism, then actually give it. A boo does nothing except demoralize the receiver.

I remember receiving my first boo, and I was a little hurt. Ok, the level wasn't great, but I put a lot of effort into it, and it was quite light hearted and all that, so for someone to go out of their way to boo it, just made no sense.

SeVeN161
09-24-2014, 01:29 PM
Well I don't want to sound a bit harsh on the opinion but the problem with the boo system is it giving some creators a bad feelings about their new levels like RockSauron said it makes them think the level isn't good at all and don't know what to do with it, I was like that untill I knew how to "level up" my creating skills. For a nice change there can be a several solutions to the copying problems- like do a 'copyed' levels tag like that if you want to not play or see them so you uncheck the 'v'. Another something that may be added to that is the name of the original creator besides the level name/information.
What do you think?

Devious_Oatmeal
09-30-2014, 03:44 AM
How about if there was an option where the creator could like... just allow boos on their level....?

The default option is not having any boos able to be given to the level.

Or have some tags the one who booed must choose from. Like the regular tags- "Creative. Grapplehook. Creatinator". But just some quick feedback options like, "Too Difficult. Didn't Finish. Got Stuck. ETC."

Personally, I play a lot of levels, almost every level in the showcase, and I don't have the time to write up a review. I usually have to say more than a few sentences, and if I am in the middle of a level binge, I want to get to the next level pronto.

GribbleGrunger
10-01-2014, 01:53 AM
Boooo.

Devious_Oatmeal
10-01-2014, 02:22 AM
Boooo.

[Insert long angry rant as 2 y it is bestest idia evr]

jwwphotos
10-01-2014, 11:34 AM
Boooo.

..well, it is almost the season. lol

comishguy67
10-01-2014, 06:35 PM
Lol...I say bring it back.

It will satisfy the insatiable need for the insecure to passive-agressively project a false sense of superiority and then label it "criticism".

Have we all stopped creating for fun and have assumed everyone who creates a level is a professional game designer who has solely made levels for YOUR enjoyment and not their own?!

I'm getting so tired of this topic/debate that it literally incites anger in me. Why would anyone but a masochistic, immature, self-absorbed, self-entitled, spoiled brat actually "want" something as pointless and negative as boos in a game geared towards something so sensitive and fragile as children?!

Can you come out of your delusion that your unsolicited "feedback" is helping people improve their levels? Maybe some of us aren't apart of the fictitious rat race to be the greatest creator in world and we create within are means and do what we love. If you feel the need to project your pretentiousness on everyone then i suggest you try utilizing that judgmental, smug attitude you have on yourself and I'd be ****ed if you did anything but "boo". Logic can be used outside of microchips ya know...some people these days...

Sorry...I just had to get that out.

jwwphotos
10-01-2014, 07:03 PM
Bravo.... :)

GribbleGrunger
10-01-2014, 07:20 PM
stuff

... Yay!

Lord-Dreamerz
10-01-2014, 09:34 PM
great opinion

If only it was possible to give your post 2 thumbs up! :D
http://i.imgur.com/5snTMfp.jpg
I think you said what many of us also think about all of this but without holding anything back... also it may be just me but I also kinda somewhat wish some of these kinds of topics would be banned from LBPC. But ohwell. I suppose it always does give us something to talk about if nothing else. *mew

Devious_Oatmeal
10-02-2014, 07:16 AM
Lol...I say bring it back.

It will satisfy the insatiable need for the insecure to passive-agressively project a false sense of superiority and then label it "criticism".

Have we all stopped creating for fun and have assumed everyone who creates a level is a professional game designer who has solely made levels for YOUR enjoyment and not their own?!

I'm getting so tired of this topic/debate that it literally incites anger in me. Why would anyone but a masochistic, immature, self-absorbed, self-entitled, spoiled brat actually "want" something as pointless and negative as boos in a game geared towards something so sensitive and fragile as children?!

Can you come out of your delusion that your unsolicited "feedback" is helping people improve their levels? Maybe some of us aren't apart of the fictitious rat race to be the greatest creator in world and we create within are means and do what we love. If you feel the need to project your pretentiousness on everyone then i suggest you try utilizing that judgmental, smug attitude you have on yourself and I'd be ****ed if you did anything but "boo". Logic can be used outside of microchips ya know...some people these days...

Sorry...I just had to get that out.

As interestingly worded as your post was here, I'd have to say your argument is very one-sided, if not lacking in a view that this topic could lead to.

Personally, I want someone to say whether or not my level was good or bad, though boos in general may not be the correct path to take to achieve this goal, but the topic DOES pave a way for a new topic to come about, and that topic would be more-so along the lines of, "Is there a way to get AND give quick criticism on my and others levels."

I may start a thread on it, but the discussion would not have come about without this thread, at least not at this particular time and such. Perhaps later on, perhaps further even then, but the topic has risen. and a discussion has come up, and from it an idea could be born.


With me being someone who doesn't mind the boos, though can understand why it shouldn't be something that's 'default' in the game, your assumption of everyone who would like boos is very... Ignorant. Not to sound mean or anything. It just urks me is all, seeing as how I don't want boos for either of the reasons you assume are the cause of the boos.

I don't want boos to judge others, I want boos to help improve myself. And when I say boos, I do not mean the current booing system. I want a system that works. How often do you see levels with no criticism at times when someone asks for it? Not everyone who makes levels comes here on LBPC or any other LBP website, and not everyone wants to write a review in the comments section after playing a level, ESPECIALLY if they do not have a keyboard.

There is more than one side of this game, and players who do not wish to be put down by criticism is not the only one. Those players are important and should be free to not have that system thrust upon them, but then there are the more hardcore creators. The ones who make amazing levels for themselves, for enjoyment, and sometimes for others. I am not a masochistic, immature, self-absorbed, self-entitled, or a spoiled brat. I am someone who wants to make levels for myself AND others! I want to enjoy making levels for my own amusement, and to show others to hopefully give them a fun experience. Sure, I could come here online and ask for feedback, but as so many have experienced, that is not always going to work.


But, as so hopefully there is no confusion. I like boos, but do not like them at the same time. That system is flawed and it would be nice to have it changed. The current system is no different than you showing a level, and then just getting a "I liked it." "It was good." "I enjoyed it.", and there is no constructive criticism there. I am also not saying any kind of system is needed, and if no change comes about, then alright, but a system that helps out everyone, or at least most of everyone, is what I would want.

comishguy67
10-02-2014, 08:44 AM
"Is there a way to get AND give quick criticism on my and others levels."

Yes! Yes there is!


Not everyone who makes levels comes here on LBPC or any other LBP website, and not everyone wants to write a review in the comments section after playing a level, ESPECIALLY if they do not have a keyboard.

Well maybe those indolent types should just keep their opinions to themselves, no?

What more do you want?!! lol

Devious_Oatmeal
10-02-2014, 09:09 AM
Yes! Yes there is!



Well maybe those indolent types should just keep their opinions to themselves, no?

What more do you want?!! lol

The comments section doesn't entirely count. It IS a quick way to give criticism, but it's not the most user friendly. By that I mean, not a lot of people will take the time to post constructive criticism quickly with the PS keyboard when there are a ton of levels to go through and they want to say something, or if something happens in the level, and they get mad, then just leave. For example, I would love to post criticism on a ton of levels, give some feedback and what have you, but I have other stuff to do, and other levels to play, and my own levels to make.

Don't get me wrong though. The comments section is great, but a quick crit system may help more. Though that's just an idea and it may do absolutely nothing. No idea.

jorgedasack
10-04-2014, 04:31 AM
I'm going to say this quick, ratings are useless without boos, there is no point of knowing that 100 people like something meanwhile 200 dislike it, but like you guys said some people get sad when they get boos, thats why star ratings are the best

amiel445566
10-04-2014, 05:07 PM
I'm going to say this quick, ratings are useless without boos, there is no point of knowing that 100 people like something meanwhile 200 dislike it, but like you guys said some people get sad when they get boos, thats why star ratings are the best

Here, let me give you an example of rating without boos

if you have a level that has 2,000 plays and 100 yays, then you have a level that has 150 plays, and 100 yays

which do you think has a higher rating?

you can use yays as a ratio, as I do, and im sure others do as well, it works perfectly as a rating system, if you think boos could improve LBP, I'm sure it can, but the problem now is the voters, seeing as how endless waves of mortal kombat still appeals to them, so they get great yay amounts, and thus good ratings

when LBP3 comes out, the new wave of creative community vs spam loving community will restore the LBP community to its former (and maybe even past its former) glory