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muttjones
03-05-2009, 02:55 AM
Inglourious Basterds is an upcoming ensemble war film written and directed by Quentin Tarantino. The director has repeatedly stressed that despite it being a war film, the movie will be a "spaghetti-western but with World War II iconography".

In German-occupied France, Shoshanna Dreyfus witnesses the execution of her family at the hand of Nazi Colonel Hans Landa. Shoshanna narrowly escapes and flees to Paris, where she forges a new identity as the owner and operator of a cinema.
Elsewhere in Europe, Lieutenant Aldo Raine organizes a group of Jewish soldiers to engage in targeted acts of retribution. Known to their enemy as "The Basterds," Raine's squad eventually joins German actress and undercover agent Bridget Von Hammersmark on a mission to take down the leaders of The Third Reich. Fates converge under a cinema marquee, where Shoshanna is poised to carry out a revenge plan of her own....

The film will be divided into five chapters:
Chapter One: Once Upon a Time in Nazi Occupied France
Chapter Two: Inglourious Basterds
Chapter Three: German Night in Paris (filmed in "French New Wave Black and White")
Chapter Four: Operation Kino
Chapter Five: Revenge of the Giant Face

The film stars Brad Pitt, Eli Roth and Mike Myers.*





I'm really looking forward to this I think it will be great and alot of fun. :D

*Taken from Wikipedia

supersickie
03-05-2009, 01:24 PM
Super-stoked for this one. I've been tracking it as long as Tarantino was reportedly writing a war epic. It'll definitely be worth watching.

Hope you don't mind, mutt, but I corrected the spelling of the movie in the thread title; you had missed the first "u". :)

Morrinn3
03-05-2009, 03:23 PM
What a suprising cast...
Yeah, I'm interested. I think Tarantino is a really entertaining director.

Teebonesy
03-05-2009, 09:43 PM
What a suprising cast...
Yeah, I'm interested. I think Tarantino is a really entertaining director.

You're definitely right about that. The movie will be well-made, I have no doubt about it. He'll take his somewhat hateful concept, which, judging by the trailer, might make more nazi sympathizers out of the audience than anything else, endlessly watchable.

I wonder though, about the direction his films have increasingly taken. I'm starting to think that all of his movies are about movies - that's it, and nothing else. I thought Grindhouse would be pretty much as far as you could go in that direction, but this sounds even more extreme.

And that's not to mention the somewhat awkward concept of applying nazi brutality to revenge-seeking American Jews in WWII. I just don't know how I feel about that. It's something that can only be done in the midst of the events, or far, far after, when the entire film audience has a major detachment from that piece of history.

I know I sound like I'm just not into having fun at all - I will be seeing this on opening weekend. He's one of the most interesting directors working. but I have to mention the reservations I have about it. It seems to be a movie about movies, that happens to exploit a seriously grim piece of history for schadenfreude and entertainment value.

Astrosimi
03-10-2009, 10:46 PM
I was thinking it was going to be a comdey, but still sounds good.

muttjones
03-11-2009, 05:51 AM
I was thinking it was going to be a comdey, but still sounds good.

i think it still is kind of. there are 2.5 stories intertwining (.5 is only a short story) through the film. One of them is funny.

ryryryan
03-11-2009, 12:44 PM
This sounds pretty terrible. I don't know why... but... yeah :S
However it could turn out great so we'll see.
Did anyone see Death Proof? God that film was terrible, apart from the car crash.

Boogaloo
03-11-2009, 02:31 PM
I'd very much enjoy a startling return to form by Tarantino - but I'm not holding my breath. His last few films (and I'm including the Kill Bills) have been self-indulgent bilge.

At his best he's a fearless and provocative storyteller, with sensational cinematic visual flair.

At his worst he's overblown, self important, and cares nothing for insight and observation - preferring instead to have his garrulous characters spew out a stream of needless exposition, pop culture references and his laughably trite philosophical observations. Loudly.

Teebonesy
08-22-2009, 10:10 AM
Anyone see this? I just came back from it a while ago. I'll give you some of my thoughts.

Mainly this: Tarantino is losing it. Does he do ANYTHING with his time - ANYTHING AT ALL, EVER - aside from watch movies?? I swear to God this guy does nothing else but watch movies and then make movies about those movies.

This is the craziest pastiche he's made to date, and that's saying something. The opening credits suggest a spaghetti western, and the opening scene is Sergio Leone to a T, but the genre shifts in the very next scene, and continues to do so.

The movie takes long tangents, diatribes, devotes great swathes of screentime to throwaway characters, and rewrites history in a giant music-video fantasy spectacle.

He'll set you up for a thrilling spy air drop and rendezvous in a tavern as part of an assassination plot. When you arrive in the tavern, you don't know it, but you're not going to leave that tavern for (what felt like) an entire hour. It feels like a great chunk, nearly half of the movie, takes place in this single bar scene.

this WWII epic, which features some bits of ultra violence but no actual battles, is mostly comprised of long dialogue in French and German, subtitled. I smiled a great deal in this movie actually, imagining all the drooling teenagers out there ready for a bloodbath and getting long scenes of a french film buff sitting in a cafe reading a book, a british officer discussing german cinema with a film critic, and other extremely long, extended scenes of dialogue that has nothing to do with Brad Pitt and "natzy-killin'", but mostly has to do with movies.

Seriously though, Tarantino now inhabits a world that is becoming far too detached from reality. This movie, in its premise, and based on its trailers, seems to ask you to take pleasure in a fantasy of vengeance-seeking hyper-violent commando jews, doing grizzly things to German soldiers. The movie makes no distinction between soldiers in the German army and members of the Nazi party. If they're German, they might as well be knife fodder.

But in his actual execution of this film, he ends up going WAY off these tracks, and while these events do happen, they're almost arbitrary, the way he plays with setup-and-payoff. That is, great deals of setup for something, and then suddenly cutting that thing off altogether and paying off with something else over here. The movie really does become a movie about little more than movies. It's a compendium of styles and genres with almost no focus whatsoever.

A few scenes, and certainly a couple of characters that are INCREDIBLY watchable. Brad Pitt is utterly over-the-top, a complete cartoon, with one facial expression and no depth, but holy GOD does he steal the show whenever he's in a scene.

The movie belongs to Christoph Waltz, an Austrian actor who plays incredibly in German, English, French, and Italian throughout this movie. Tarantino's playing with his toys throughout Basterds, and clearly his favorite toy is the villain Hans Landa. It's an awesome performance and the guy elevates every scene he's in.

But I just don't know what more to say. Some great scenes, some great dialogue, as you would expect from Tarantino. But Grindhouse and then this, I'm really starting to wonder if we should force Tarantino into a padded room and keep him away from movies for a little while. Maybe have an intervention. The guy needs a vacation from the stuff, as it appears true that too much of anything can be bad for you.

Hybrid
08-22-2009, 10:53 AM
this wil be a great movie beqause they made hitler pist of :)and that makes my happy :p

rtm223
08-22-2009, 12:27 PM
I saw this and thoroughly enjoyed it. It's rediculous, yes; some of the scenes feel redundant and overly long, yes - but they are funny.

I would point out two things in response to Teebonesys comments:

Everything that happens after the meeting in the bar, hinges on the meeting at the bar taking place. It's a long scene, but entertaining and completely necessary for what happens later in the plot (who's there, what suspicions have been raised, what actions they take).

As for the distinction between german soldiers and Nazis, this is the viewpoint of certain characters in the film. The crazy nazi-hating basterds,who are deliberate charicatures anyway and the french-jewish girl who watched her family get massacred by the SS and is living in occupied france. I think that might lead to a little bit of bigotry.

Anyway, the average cinemagoer isn't going to be able to do as in-depth an analysis as you Teebonesy :p I found it fun and entertaining as long as you don't take it too seriously :)


I should really point out that I'm not specificaly disagreeing with anything Teebonesy has said - I just think as long as you don't read too much into the stylistic issues (I probably couldn't without being led to be honest), it's an entertaining film and well worth a watch.

Gravel
08-22-2009, 01:59 PM
Some very thoughtful insights Teebonesy, with a nice assist from you Rtm. Think I may have to see this after all.

dandygandy2704
08-22-2009, 03:34 PM
I first heard about this movie like maybe a month ago, and I thought it looked rather good in a sort of silly, irreverent way. That said, I'm not 17 for another few weeks, so I'm not so sure I'll be able to see this in theaters or if I'll just have to rent it. I've been getting into Terantino films lately (starting with a couple martial arts movies he did) so when I heard about this I was interested. And despite what Teebonesy said, I'll likely see it at some point in time.

Teebonesy
08-22-2009, 07:30 PM
Hey, by all means, everyone should go out and see it! I wouldn't deprive anyone of the latest Tarantino flick. I certainly wouldn't wait to see this.

I didn't hate the movie. One guy on the street walking home behind me started going off. "Did you guys just see Basterds?" "yeah..."
"THAT WAS TOTAL &%$#!! WHAT A $%^&ING PIECE OF #$%@!!! THAT WAS THE SINGLE WORST $@#*ING THING I'VE EVER SEEN!!" I found myself defending it a little bit, but I also found myself unable to imagine someone going in the opposite extreme.

But this dude was livid, I mean the guy was screaming. He was hurt, genuinely hurt by this movie. He admitted to not being Jewish, but if he WAS, boy would he... what? Write some letters? He felt the movie was offensive in the highest degree.

I personally think it's more innocent than that. It's certainly a hateful film in that it praises the characters who most dehumanize people, and it also strives to give kind of an "anti-Schindler's List" to people. A movie that isn't truthful, that gives you the sweet lie instead. But the movie isn't trying to be inciteful, and particularly in the way that its style is the most important thing on display, and it's so arbitrary and full of pointless tangents, that it's not exactly making a commentary on wwII or war in general, or really anything at all aside from movies. So it's hard for me to get MAD at the movie for doing what it does. But there is definitely a side to me that's a bit disgusted at the ease with which he distorts and trivializes the big things, all for the sake of entertainment value.

I don't really respond well to an all-of-a-sudden femme fatale noir scene with the heroine standing seductively by a window looking out over the city with David Bowie playing. You're constantly asking: What IS this movie?? It's a pastiche of so many things that seem almost arbitrarily papier-mached together.

It's true that the bar scene is a turning point in the movie, and the movie picks up a lot at the end of it. But I think Tarantino is trusting people to be riveted maybe too easily here. By the time the story of King Kong is laid out in detail, I began wondering what happened to that movie with Brad Pitt in it.

Oh, I can't believe I didn't mention this: Eli Roth??
SERIOUSLY?? Eli Roth??
This guy is a non-character. He's given nothing, not that Eli Roth would be able to pull it off anyway, but so much set-up and build-up is spent on him. The BEAR Jew! Oh no! ...Oh, it's just Eli Roth with a stupid smirk.

God I hate that guy! Apparently that role was written for Adam Sandler, but again, Tarantino has spent too much time couped up in his movie den with Eli Roth, and he's starting to lose it a little bit.
But at least with Adam Sandler, when he appears out of the tunnel, that would be a payoff. He plays with your knowledge of Adam Sandler.
But Eli Roth...
Eli ROTH??

*shakes head, slowly at first, but faster and faster until blacking out*

dandygandy2704
08-23-2009, 04:43 PM
Well, I don't think this is the kind of movie you're supposed to go into expecting much truth-to-history besides maybe getting the years right. I mean, I got that from the commercials on TV that some people are going to be very offended by this movie. That's why I said it looks good in a sort of silly, irreverent way. I mean, I don't expect it to be amazing or anything like that, I would just go see it to kill a couple hours and maybe get some laughs. I agree with you on the point that the dehumanization of (I'm guessing) Germans and Nazis is not something that should be taken lightly but if you can pay attention to details like that in a movie and realise what it's telling you, I think you can weigh what you're being "fed" so to speak by the movie against what you personally believe. But that's me going off on wild tangents again... I think I'll just need to go see this movie before I can make any sort of actual judgment about it.

mrsupercomputer
08-25-2009, 05:09 AM
I just got back from seeing it and was pretty underwhelmed. I'm a big Tarantino fan, but I think Teebonesy nails it on the head. Tarantino just crammed too many different styles and throwaway characters into this film and it suffered because of it.

Teebonesy
08-25-2009, 06:22 AM
Hugely entertaining in scenes, but just too much of a **** hodgepodge... especially after all these years! He's been talking about this movie since the mid 90s!! And THIS is what he gives us??

Seriously, when the David Bowie song started playing, I just burst out laughing. And not WITH the movie.

But still worthwhile in a weird way. You can't deny that Tarantino's a huge talent, absolutely does his own thing, and is able to write some incredibly compelling material.

Maybe this should have been a miniseries. a series of short films. I don't know. He's just going off his rocker as a filmmaker.

thefrozenpenquin
08-25-2009, 06:51 AM
I effen loved the movie! I also effen hate the Bear Jew bit. I went into the movie on the fence but with the knowledge that it was in the WWII world, so i wasn't expecting to see a documentary. I didn't like how you had to wait and wait and wait to see things like how long it took the Bear Jew to walk out of that very, very long tunnel. Did anyone else think hit tapped that wall forever.
Anyway, it did dissapoint with the Nazi sniper Zoller lashing out after showing every quality of a good guy, threw me off alittle. I think that if you have ever played a game BASED on an era that you should understand the humor. My girlfriend said she hated it because she doesnt like to read when watching a movie LOL.

Teebonesy
08-25-2009, 07:29 AM
The whole Bear Jew character was wasted. Yeah, his big intro with the tunnel... If you're going to build up a character like that, draw it out soo long, you'd better deliver some kind of payoff! Instead we get stupid, smirky Eli Roth come out, unable to deliver a line and totally wasting everyone's time the entire movie? Jesus!

That character was originally written for Adam Sandler. Imagine that. 'Who the hell's going to emerge from that tunnel?? who's the BEAR JEW???"

ADAM SANDLER?? BAAAH HAHAHAHA!

At least it's a payoff then. This, nothing. Empty.

brnxblze
08-26-2009, 02:35 AM
I really want to see this movie, every time I see or read about it it makes me want to watch it more. My friend got a copy of the script a really long time ago but I never had the chance to read it.

CheesyMcFly
08-31-2009, 02:35 PM
Aaargh I'm so conflicted about this movie. It has moments that are transcendent - just brilliant in every way, perfectly cinematic moments that show what can be done with the medium. But in between there is pointless self-indulgence that drags the film to a slow crawl without adding anything to the characters or sense of place.

Most of all I couldn't shake the feeling that the Basterds themselves were horribly miscast and underdeveloped, except for Brad Pitt, who stole every scene he was in. Eli Roth in particular was, as Teenbonesy said, absolutely terrible in the role, but he wasn't the only one in the group to waste their character.

Having said all that, Chapter 5 completely redeemed the entire film for me. From the beautiful film noir pastiche underscored with an epic David Bowie build up to the incredibly violent pay off, the last chapter was absolutely packed full of brilliance.

Teebonesy
09-01-2009, 03:01 AM
But in between there is pointless self-indulgence that drags the film to a slow crawl without adding anything to the characters or sense of place.

Yes, one thing this movie seems to lack utterly is pacing - I've had some dreams where I'm about to embark on a huge adventure, some Final-Fantasy spectacle of a journey, and I don't ever get past the convenience store down the street. This movie feels like that sometimes.



Having said all that, Chapter 5 completely redeemed the entire film for me. From the beautiful film noir pastiche underscored with an epic David Bowie build up to the incredibly violent pay off, the last chapter was absolutely packed full of brilliance.

I didn't quite share your admiration for the Bowie-noir scene because it was so SUDDEN - This movie is so full of sudden style shifts that every time one happens - and each style usually only happens once and then doesn't repeat - it just punches me right in the face.

The unmitigated carnage that capped off the movie was undoubtedly virtuosic. The slow-mo "music video" shoot-out that took place in you-know-where was way, way too much for my tastes. But the revenge of the "giant face" was pure giddiness.

Pitcard
09-01-2009, 11:49 PM
Teebone, I think with a movie like this, you really have to discard all your movie student preconceptions and just enjoy it without overanalysing. About 4 or 5 of my friends study film in college and they all say it completely ruins any sort of cinematic experience for them :P

I really do agree about the Bear Jew thing, that was just a let down... all I could think of was how much he reminded me of the Scout in TF2 :D

Also the Mike Myers bit........... the empty room, the grotty british accent.... it was all just tooo Austin Powers for my liking. Hilarious, but he went too far.
I'm happy for Tarantino, but it just doesn't compare to There Will Be Blood, which is what he sees as its "comped-it-torrr"

CheesyMcFly
09-02-2009, 12:26 AM
I'm happy for Tarantino, but it just doesn't compare to There Will Be Blood, which is what he sees as its "comped-it-torrr"

Really?!?!

That's interesting. Where/when did he say that?

Teebonesy
09-02-2009, 01:00 AM
Teebone, I think with a movie like this, you really have to discard all your movie student preconceptions and just enjoy it without overanalysing. About 4 or 5 of my friends study film in college and they all say it completely ruins any sort of cinematic experience for them :P

I don't doubt that digging into the guts of movie-making has killed my enjoyment for some movies I may have loved as a younger man, but at the same time I think it may have just been growing out of it a bit. I probably would have loved this movie as a teenager, purely based on a handful of scenes. But honestly, the guy that I saw this with was ready to leave halfway through. Midway through the tavern scene he was THIS close to walking out. The movie just completely lost him.
It started losing me too. There's a huge payoff at the end of the movie, but until then it was more frustrating for me, all the tangents and big set-ups for zero payoff.


I'm happy for Tarantino, but it just doesn't compare to There Will Be Blood, which is what he sees as its "comped-it-torrr"

I as well am very curious about this statement! Do you have a link so we can read the rest of that interview? I guess Tarantino must see There Will Be Blood as a pastiche, which I would heartily disagree with, and really any comparisons between that movie and anything Tarantino has done. There Will Be Blood I should mention is one of my absolute favorite films of this decade. I do seem to recall a quote somewhere from Tarantino praising the hell out of Boogie Nights, I think calling it one of his favorite movies.

CheesyMcFly
09-02-2009, 01:09 AM
I as well am very curious about this statement! Do you have a link so we can read the rest of that interview? I guess Tarantino must see There Will Be Blood as a pastiche, which I would heartily disagree with, and really any comparisons between that movie and anything Tarantino has done. There Will Be Blood I should mention is one of my absolute favorite films of this decade. I do seem to recall a quote somewhere from Tarantino praising the hell out of Boogie Nights, I think calling it one of his favorite movies.

As I recall it, Tarantino named PTA's Boogie Nights as one of his twenty favourite films of the past 15 years.

Here, just found the link: YouTube - Tarantino's Top 20 Movies Since 1992

For the record I really hate his top twenty, especially the massive overrating of Battle Royale and the inclusion of cheesy films like Speed.

Pitcard
09-02-2009, 01:58 AM
Heh whadaya know. I found it on youtube and all. Him and Paul Thomas Anderson are big director friends apparently.
YouTube - Tarantino On There Will Be Blood

I just flicked on the tv a week ago and saw this, and then watched There Will be Blood for the 3rd time :) Gets better everytime.... "I'm FINISHED" what a way to end a movie!

Teebonesy
09-04-2009, 02:18 AM
Heh whadaya know. I found it on youtube and all. Him and Paul Thomas Anderson are big director friends apparently.

I just flicked on the tv a week ago and saw this, and then watched There Will be Blood for the 3rd time :) Gets better everytime.... "I'm FINISHED" what a way to end a movie!

Awesome, thanks for that link Pitcard.

Say what you will about Tarantino, he WATCHES movies, and can be very engaging when he talks about them. His knowledge of film is so complete that any breakdown Tarantino gives on a movie is worth a master class on the subject.

I know PT Anderson is similar in his film knowledge - both of these guys are part of the "video store" generation which devoured every movie ever made. It's a major part of how they've gone so far and been able to collaborate with such high profile cinematographers.

But, that being said... I don't entirely agree with Tarantino's view of the movie's intro giving Plainview a "heroic right", nor do I really view Tarantino as even remotely in the calibur of Anderson. If you asked me right after Punch Drunk Love I might have considered it, but after Blood, PT Anderson shot to the VERY TIP TOP of my list of revered current filmmakers. I really do think, based on that movie, that he's our guy. He's our best young filmmaker working today.

I think it's a bit funny that last line: He suggests that Inglourious Basterds might very well become his "great" film, and if it's so, it's because he upped his game based on There Will Be Blood. Oops!

At the risk of taking this thread right off the rails, I do want to agree with a statement he made - that if EVER a movie demanded repeated viewings it's There Will Be Blood. I couldn't possibly agree more. I may forever remember how I felt at the end of opening night when I saw that movie. WEIRD. I felt weird. It was powerful, it was complex, I remember it opened around the same time as Cloverfield, and I didn't expect this going in, but I came out thinking, "There's TWO monster movies that opened this week!". The filmmaking and cinematography and Daniel Day Lewis completely and totally ****ing mesmerized me, it's exactly what I look for every time I go to the movies. I've now seen the movie maybe 5 times, and, again agreeing with Tarantino, I think it's so easily one of the best movies of the decade - I think it's safe to say it's one of the best movies of the last two decades.

I think the main difference between Anderson and Tarantino is that Tarantino began his career as a blazing talent and has steadily declined since. With Anderson it's been kind of the other way around. He's always been an incredible filmmaker, but he only seems to be getting better now.