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A game for kids...?

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Welcome, BabyDoll1970, to your first ever blog! I warmly welcome you as the first and possibly only reader and hope that you find your own thoughts insightful and in some way inspiring : )

My brief time here on LBPC has revealed that not only am I not the only (physically) 'mature' LBP player/creator, but many of the very best levels being put out there are by those classified as 'adults' (18 years and over... no offence to any younger creators - I did say MOST, not all). As I said in my lbpcentral introduction - now swallowed up in the archives - I originally bought this game for my kids, and started playing along with them on their request. From there it was a bit of an addiction for me - the 'adult'.

I would be interested to know the age group Mm were really pitching at, despite the G rating. The basic processes of creating are easily grasped by all ages, but the full capacity for really complex creation in many ways is quite beyond the average primary/elementary school aged child, aside from the occasional technophile.
However, the addition of add-on game packs such as Metal Gear Solid, which is a game I would not let my kids play at their age (older two are 14 and 12) is a definite catering to the older teens/adults.

In any case, the downside of having an addictive game appealing to a very broad demographic is that the real kids can get swallowed up... or rather left behind, in the process.

Take my own kids. My girls are creative thinkers and quite talented in the area of visual arts. They'd been making their own levels for a little while and were really proud of what they'd done. When I made a level (Love), although they loved it, they were a little frustrated that they hadn't come up with some of the ideas I had. I explained that the difference was simply a matter of age and experience, which essentially it was.
Then came the day we organised PSNs for everybody, got online and they saw some of the levels that some very accomplished creators had made. At first it was enthusiasm and awe, but that eventually gave way to harsh self-evaluation and the declaration that their own levels were "crap" and would never be published for fear of being embarrassed. They lost their desire to create for quite a while, which really made me sad.

Secretly, I was a little relieved that they weren't so keen on publishing for that time because I was a bit concerned that the 5 star + labels rating system could drop their creative self esteem even lower when people either didn't play their levels, or started attaching critical labels like 'Rubbish' or 'empty' on their work, which would invariably happen because it happens to the best creators on the best levels. Consideration is rarely given for age or ability. And often times it is their very peer group that is to blame for the poor rating of great work - if it didn't hold their attention for longer than 30 seconds or it didn't have any guns.
But if you're going to put your efforts out there you've just got to have tough skin, and that's that. It's a lesson we've all got to learn in life, unfortunately.
However, my maternal instinct is to protect. Teenage self-esteem can be rather fragile and I want them to enjoy the creative experience without worrying themselves over what others might think of their creations.

Herein lies my dilemma. My 12 year old is really keen to join LBPCentral in a few months when she turns 13, so she can put one of her levels on Showcase. It's been my experience in the decade or so I've worked with youth that it's a rare teenage soul who, when asking for feedback, doesn't just secretly want someone to tell them they're fantastic and what they've done is awesome. Try and add some constructive criticism, however carefully put or padded out with encouragement, and the emotional filters kick in and can translate that to being told they're no good.

If she really wants to do that, of course I'm not going to stop her (although her online chatting would be monitored carefully). She'll learn something from the experience one way or the other, but I hope it's what she hopes it will be. I know there are some really lovely people out there in the lbpcentral community who would be supportive, but is this community, which has plentiful, quite hardcore lbp devotees, so focused on 'quality', really the right forum for kids?

And if it's not - is there such a place?

Updated 09-04-2009 at 02:59 AM by BabyDoll1970

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  1. Voodeedoo's Avatar
    pretty good blog i see what you mean. Mm mentioned it was a game for all ages however, for there are levels from 4 year olds and levels from 60 yr olds. I was once in a room online with an 8 yr old boy, a 12 yr old boy, and a 29 year old girl, and then there was I, being 15. I thought it was kinda kewl

    also im aware of how may accomplished creators are in their 20's, but I know only a handful of creators who make stunning musical levels and eyecandy artistic levels, of which are no older than 16.
  2. Burnvictim42's Avatar
    I understand what you mean (or at least i think i do), the world can be rather cruel at times. I'm not entirely sure theres a right answer to your question. There are plenty of members here who will do their best to put things in a positive light. Constructive feedback is a staple here it seems. I don't typically see any "your level sucks" comments, but that doesn't mean they're not there. The fact is though, sooner or later she's going to run into a comment like that, i only hope its not here.

    There are quite a few young'uns here on this site... you may be surprised.
  3. BabyDoll1970's Avatar
    You know, of all places, I think she would get the kindest feedback on here. I guess we'll see how she handles it : )
  4. MrsSpookyBuz's Avatar
    Nice blog.

    Two things really...

    Firstly, your daughter will be absolutely welcomed and looked after on LBPC. Obviously, by yourself, and by many other members. I'm certain she'll enjoy the social aspects, and I'm sure she will gain confidence from being involved.

    Second, LBP is so many things to so many people. Everybody can play - husbands/wives, mothers/daughters etc. When it comes to levels created by youngsters, I always think enthusiastic honesty and diplomacy are best. Let them express themselves, and as mum, you can offer your experience to help and encourage. I think it's a great thing. Good luck.
  5. Coxy224's Avatar
    I think that LBPCentral is one of the kindest and funnest forumes for ANY game! Your daughter wouldn't even be the youngest on here, I've seen 10 year olds posting half decent levels (and the rare amazing one). It's not that they suck because they're young - they don't have the experience (as you said yourself) and I know that.

    However everyone rates levels differently, my first level I was lucky enough to get stars on, and I'm sure your daughter's will easily reach that. If not, then she'll still have learnt for her next lelve.
    The feedback here is kind, I've never seen anyone say "This sucks" or "change everything - your a failure". The critism is always out weighed by the compliements (in general) and I think she'll be fine here
  6. BabyDoll1970's Avatar
    Thanks, Coxy - and everyone. I hope you're right... Actually my 14 year old daughter just signed up tonight so I guess we'll see. She doesn't have any levels she's prepared to Showcase yet (my 12 y.o daughter does, though). I do think people here will be kind - and if they're not, well... we either just suck it up... or maybe BabyDoll will need to pay a few 'visits' with her paintinator gun?
  7. bonner123's Avatar
    Ha im only 14 too. Nice blog, I understand what you mean. In my noob days I work really hard on my levels and after one I put alot of effort into was rated 1 star I just gave up. But since it's an incredibly addictive game I started playing again ang now I don't suck. Its funny how that happens.
  8. BabyDoll1970's Avatar
    Haha! That's awesome, bonner! Good on ya for sticking at it : ) BTW, what's a 'noob'?
  9. Burnvictim42's Avatar
    "noob" is an internet word... its somewhat a derogatory term for beginner. If you're confused about other definitions, i reccomend checking out www.urbandictionary.com for a lot of definitions of modern slang. Be warned though, its not all clean.