Metallica

What do you guys think of the band?

When I started getting into Metal (around the same time I got GH2 :p) I liked Metallica, but after honing my guitar and drum skills and listening to bands like Tool and Megadeth, I realized they really aren't that good. Their songs have pretty unoriginal riffs, Lars is a crappy drummer, Kirk Hammet is a mediocre guitar player and all his solos are pretty much the same, and I'm tired of noob kids who only know Enter Sandman and Battery because they're on videogames.

Well, the most important thing to realize here is that everything said in this thread is going to be an opinion, it's all subjective.

I do agree with you on some points. I wouldn't say Lars sucks, sure he's not the best but he doesn't suck. And also you cant compare the technical expertise really otherwise you are going to miss out on some good bands.

Example, Nirvana's riffs are usually quite simple but they are catchy and cool. I actually happen to really like the older Metallica's guitar parts. I think they're rhythm / lead in some songs are just beautiful. Like "One," or "Fade To Black." And ya, Kirk deff isn't the best either and ya he does have a lot of similar solos. He almost always does this one bend where the "b" string is held stationary and you hit the "d" and bend it up. He does that like three times pretty quickly.

And seems to always do a triplet pentatonic pattern (from beginning to end). I would agree I think they do lack some creativity, although they had quite a bit it just seems they are limited. But I wouldn't say they suck

I'll agree with you that they are about average musicians and they do have pretty basic riffs, but if you look at it from the sound of their songs, I think they're (mostly) awesome. So, forgetting how hard the songs are to play, 'Master of Puppets' and 'Ride The Lightning' are my favourites (both have basic riffs). It's not because of video games that I like Metallica either; I (personally) think that Enter Sandman is a good song, but over-rated.
I have heard before about them using parts from other musicians songs but I don't know much about that.

Oh mate! I feel so sorry for you. Seriously

It souns like you are heading down a slippery slope towards a phenomenon I like to call "Metal Musician Snobery Syndrome". MMSS often afflicts talented muscisians who start getting into metal and start noticing the wealth of staggering technical talent that exists in metal music. Blown away by this they start looking for more technical stuff and honing their own skills. All of this is fine - improving your skills is a good thing and I commend you. But you've gone a step further and are starting to talk like technical expertise is what makes music is about. You carry on down this slope and you will end up like a couple of my friends, who are unable to listen to anything that isn't technical metal.

They are missing out. Music is an art form, and it's unbelieveable varied. Some of the most artistic music out there is really simple and basic, that's how art works. If you strip an art form down to technical evaluation, you lose all of the beauty of it - you may as well be writing an equation. As hamsalad said, you are the one who going to miss out.

I think metallica as a band are pretty good. Their songs sound kinda cool and they sure as hell do know how to put on a good show. I've never been a major fan and they probably are overrated. But remember why you used to enjoy the sound of their music, and stop picking it apart. Oh and stop exaggerating, they definately don't "suck" :p

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Originally Posted by rtm223

Oh mate! I feel so sorry for you. Seriously

It souns like you are heading down a slippery slope towards a phenomenon I like to call "Metal Musician Snobery Syndrome". MMSS often afflicts talented muscisians who start getting into metal and start noticing the wealth of staggering technical talent that exists in metal music. Blown away by this they start looking for more technical stuff and honing their own skills. All of this is fine - improving your skills is a good thing and I commend you. But you've gone a step further and are starting to talk like technical expertise is what makes music is about. You carry on down this slope and you will end up like a couple of my friends, who are unable to listen to anything that isn't technical metal.

They are missing out. Music is an art form, and it's unbelieveable varied. Some of the most artistic music out there is really simple and basic, that's how art works. If you strip an art form down to technical evaluation, you lose all of the beauty of it - you may as well be writing an equation. As hamsalad said, you are the one who going to miss out.

I think metallica as a band are pretty good. Their songs sound kinda cool and they sure as hell do know how to put on a good show. I've never been a major fan and they probably are overrated. But remember why you used to enjoy the sound of their music, and stop picking it apart. Oh and stop exaggerating, they definately don't "suck" :p

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You forget that technical skill can also form originality. Plus, I don't hate Metallica because they're bad at their instruments. I think their riffs are unoriginal. I don't hate music because of simplicity, except rap, and I like music because of how hard it is to play. I also like Iron Maiden, but Niko McBrain or whatever is a pretty mediocre drummer himself, although his fills are pretty good. It's just Lars plays almost the same thing in every song. I would say that technically, And Justice for All is their best album (or at least Lars's) but I still hate it.

How about you start reading posts? I never said they suck. I said they aren't that good. Especially not as good as people make them out to be. I like the sound of music. I like Tool because they sound very unique, like a weirder version of Alice in Chains. My favorite songs are their most simple songs.

The Four Horsemen
Fade to Black
For Whom The Bell Tolls
Sanitarium
Call of Ktulu.

I never said they suck. There is nothing special about them, though, however they did influence a lot, and I'll give them that. If anything, I just really hate Lars and how he talks like everything he says is the most important thing ever.

Metallica <3

I am now at the stage where i prefer them to Maiden, and that's saying something. Never insult them again! >_<

'nuff said.

I mean, you can call them over-rated or whatever you want to say, but that does not take away from the fact they ARE one of the biggest bands in the world. And i'm sorry, but you can't get to that point by being overrated with a crappy drummer, average guitarists and boring riffs.

YOU don't see anything in them, but i guess the millions of fans would see it differently?

And so what if the 'noob kids' only know 2 songs? if it get's them into Metallica and other similar music where is the problem in that? My first Metallica song i liked was Enter Sandman. I now have every album they have ever made, along with about 35 live albums i got from livemetallica.com.

Yes it's all opinion, but as i said, it's a fact that they are one of the biggest bands ever. They have millions of fans and as i said, you don't get that from being crap.

Metallica own.

Chill out mate, if you read back my post it's not all that critical of you and I have no intention of having a fight with you (I won't be here to respond even if I did). It's a far more general critisism of how people become when they start being really snobbish about these things. And you sounded a little snobbish, saying you're tired of people who are exactly how you were 2 (3?) years ago. Will you be tired of people who are like yourself now, in two years time?

As I said, metallica aren't the most amazing band in the world but they aren't boring. At worst they are a bit samey. You used to like the sound of their music before you picked it apart, is what I infer from your comments. Does it actually sound different now? Or are you just breaking it down more?

I also don't really think that the personality of an artist should influence your opinion of their art, even if he is an arrogant tossbag! I understand that comment may have just been a sindnote, I don't know if it is part of your changed attitiude towards the band.

And I'm sorry I used the word "suck" - I paraphrased :p

Also, on the note of Lars - he just amuses me =]

Metallica < Slipknot < Iron Maiden. In my opinion.

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Originally Posted by rtm223

As I said, metallica aren't the most amazing band in the world but they aren't boring. At worst they are a bit samey. You used to like the sound of their music before you picked it apart, is what I infer from your comments. Does it actually sound different now? Or are you just breaking it down more?

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No, my tastes changed. Bush is simple too but I like them. Think about it: I liked them when I first got into metal. It's like if you ate poop all your life you would like poop until you tried some cheese and you would think cheese is better. If you know about Dave Mustaine, you would know that I certainly don't like him for his personality.

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Originally Posted by ir0nmaid3nfan

Metallica <3

I am now at the stage where i prefer them to Maiden, and that's saying something. Never insult them again! >_<

'nuff said.

I mean, you can call them over-rated or whatever you want to say, but that does not take away from the fact they ARE one of the biggest bands in the world. And i'm sorry, but you can't get to that point by being overrated with a crappy drummer, average guitarists and boring riffs.

YOU don't see anything in them, but i guess the millions of fans would see it differently?

And so what if the 'noob kids' only know 2 songs? if it get's them into Metallica and other similar music where is the problem in that? My first Metallica song i liked was Enter Sandman. I now have every album they have ever made, along with about 35 live albums i got from livemetallica.com.

Yes it's all opinion, but as i said, it's a fact that they are one of the biggest bands ever. They have millions of fans and as i said, you don't get that from being crap.

Metallica own.

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The noob kids I'm talking about act like they like Metallica but still don't know any of the songs. They've been calling themselves fans for the whole school year. One time I asked this kid what his favorite Metallica song was and he said Enter Sandman. I asked him if he knew any others and he said no. And now that RB2 came out his favorite song is Battery. These aren't kids who just like Enter Sandman, they say they like Metallica but they don't, and that kind of ****** me off. If you have never heard Fade To Black or any of their less known gems like Four Horsemen or Of Wolf and Man, then you really can't call yourself that. I'm not talking about someone who just found out about Metallica and metal and started to like it. Most bands popular songs aren't their best. Has anyone ever heard of Judas be my Guide? Yet, it's my favorite Iron Maiden song.

A band can't get popular without being good? Are you kidding me? Ever heard Brittney Spears?? Ever heard Blink 182? Yes, mediocre musicians, but popular no doubt. There are even bands who are hired by record companies and then they hire professionals to play on the album for them. So saying that someone can't be crappy and get popular is completely wrong. While people have to like their music, they don't have to be good at their instrument.

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Originally Posted by Awesomemans

Lars is a crappy drummer

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I see you've never listened to the Master of Puppets album then...

Let's keep this civilized, not pointing at anyone and not saying it isn't civilized, just a friendly reminder. :p

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Originally Posted by Whaaaaale

Let's keep this civilized, not pointing at anyone and not saying it isn't civilized, just a friendly reminder. :p

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Music discussions always turn violent, ready the riot police ;)

ON TOPIC:

Slayer > All

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Originally Posted by Aurongel

I see you've never listened to the Master of Puppets album then...

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I have. He still sucks. I see you haven't listened to any good drummers.

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Originally Posted by Awesomemans

I have. He still sucks. I see you haven't listened to any good drummers.

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Recommend me some "good" drummers and good bands then

Well, Metallica is a good band. It's just that Lars sucks.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAg5-zn_qeA&NR=1"]YouTube - Danny Carey of Tool playing Forty Six & 2 Solo[/ame]
Some of Danny Carey

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQFxZuLemG8"]YouTube - Megadeth - Holy Wars (Live 2008)[/ame]
Sean Drover

Hell, even Travis Barker is better.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKQgDY0pZ68"]YouTube - Travis Barker Remix Soulja Boy "Crank That"[/ame]

Um, and this may be the most awesome drum solo I've heard.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTzzc1dXGsU"]YouTube - "Inferno" Drum Solo - Behemoth[/ame]

Inferno of Behemoth.

My drum teacher is even better

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edyHAXp297A"]YouTube - Gary Matassa Drum Solo[/ame]

i Disagree. Lars is pretty **** good.

To anyone who doesn't hate metallica, i suggest you go download the moderus mix of death magnetic if you haven't already
the quality is so much better than the original one =]

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Originally Posted by ir0nmaid3nfan

i Disagree. Lars is pretty **** good.

To anyone who doesn't hate metallica, i suggest you go download the moderus mix of death magnetic if you haven't already
the quality is so much better than the original one =]

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If by pretty **** good you mean really bad and overrated then I agree with you.

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Originally Posted by Awesomemans

If by pretty **** good you mean really bad and overrated then I agree with you.

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nope, i meant what i said and i said what i meant, which isn't what you meant....

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c571hgE91Ik"]YouTube - Metallica's Lars Ulrich Drum Solo[/ame]

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I've watched that solo a thousand times. It's the worst solo I've ever seen.

Lars Ulrich is clearly the Herman Li of drumming.

That isn't even a solo. He's playing stuff that should be actual songs. And then he takes a break from being tired. He's so bad.

Metallica got me into heavy metal when I was six, then my Dad played me albums from bands such as Katatonia, After Forever, Arch Enemy, Opeth, Tool, and then they just faded away from my favourites list. There are bands way better than Metallica, and on a more Thrash-Metal level, Trivium (despite the fact that Iron Maiden and Metallica are Matt Heafy's favourite bands) are waaaaaaaaaay better in every single way - lyrics, guitars, drums (Travis Smith and Danny Carey ftw!), so yeah, Metallica are now dead to me. Bullet for my Valentine tries to do this, but I think they're weak and pop-like as compared to Trivium and Metallica.

However, I still respect them for revamping heavy metal...

Even if Lars sucks or not, Metallica is still a great band. And I honestly don't believe they would have gotten so far if they had a crappy drummer, mediocre solo's, and unoriginal riffs.

If what you are saying is correct, they would have just faded away during the eighties.

Anyways, two days from now I'll listen to the "worst drummer ever", "mediocre solo's" and "unoriginal riffs" _live_. And you know what..? I'll enjoy it!

...And justice for all!

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Originally Posted by Ygg_Barasil

Even if Lars sucks or not, Metallica is still a great band. And I honestly don't believe they would have gotten so far if they had a crappy drummer, mediocre solo's, and unoriginal riffs.

If what you are saying is correct, they would have just faded away during the eighties.

Anyways, two days from now I'll listen to the "worst drummer ever", "mediocre solo's" and "unoriginal riffs" _live_. And you know what..? I'll enjoy it!

...And justice for all!

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Amen to that. I saw them at the MEN - it was the BEST live performance i have ever seen, and i ahve seen A LOT. Even though i'm only 16, but i have still seen Maiden, ACDC, Avenged Sevenfold, Bullet For My Valentine, Velvet Revolver, Children Of Bodom, Slipknot, The Answer, Machine HEad (those are the ones from this year and last year lol). But Metallica were the best by a long way.... You'll have a great time there mate =]

And i agree they couldn't get anywhere if they were as bad as you are implying ....

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Originally Posted by Ygg_Barasil

Even if Lars sucks or not, Metallica is still a great band. And I honestly don't believe they would have gotten so far if they had a crappy drummer, mediocre solo's, and unoriginal riffs.

If what you are saying is correct, they would have just faded away during the eighties.

Anyways, two days from now I'll listen to the "worst drummer ever", "mediocre solo's" and "unoriginal riffs" _live_. And you know what..? I'll enjoy it!

...And justice for all!

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That's fine for you. I mean, people like Britney Spears too, right? :p

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Originally Posted by Awesomemans

That's fine for you. I mean, people like Britney Spears too, right? :p

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No they don't ;)

And also, your examples of Blink 182 and Britney spears are all well and good - yes people like them when they aren't that talented. BUT they haven't survived for 30 years. When they have you can use that argument.

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Originally Posted by ir0nmaid3nfan

No they don't ;)

And also, your examples of Blink 182 and Britney spears are all well and good - yes people like them when they aren't that talented. BUT they haven't survived for 30 years. When they have you can use that argument.

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Madonna has survived.

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Originally Posted by Awesomemans

What do you guys think of the band?

When I started getting into Metal (around the same time I got GH2 :p) I liked Metallica, but after honing my guitar and drum skills and listening to bands like Tool and Megadeth, I realized they really aren't that good. Their songs have pretty unoriginal riffs, Lars is a crappy drummer, Kirk Hammet is a mediocre guitar player and all his solos are pretty much the same, and I'm tired of noob kids who only know Enter Sandman and Battery because they're on videogames.

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WRONG WRONG WRONG

This is ridiculous.

First of all, Megadeth don't have a patch on Metallica for speed, and nor do Tool. Please give examples of how they are unoriginal, like liken a song to a song prior Metallica's. Lars isn't the most creative, but the guy can double bass like heck, and in And Justice For All he is a fine example of a great beatmaker. Not being a guitarist, I can't comment on Kirk Hammet, but I know that I love "dooing" (singing guitar) along to his solo's, even if they are mostly tapping.

I will give you your due, I cannot stand anyone of that variety. You tell them you like Limp Bizkit, they go "Rollin Rollin Rollin". You tell them you like Nirvana, they sing Smells Like Teen Spirit, you say you like blink-182, they sing I Miss You. These bands are annoying when half of so called fans know 3 songs.

Enter Sandman is pretty guff, I hated Metallica between And Justice For All and St. Anger, which IMO, is a very good album, despite being widely panned. Death Magnetic is even better, bringing even more speed back!

Master of Puppets is overplayed also, but other songs on the album like The Thing That Should Not Be and Disposable Heroes are classics!

Peace out, but never downtalk Metallica! :kz:

If Lars is a crappy drummer what kind of drummer would you be?

I'm guessing way below crappy...

I'm trying to be mean or belittle you, i'm just saying don't insult someone if you can't do better.

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Originally Posted by Sage

If Lars is a crappy drummer what kind of drummer would you be?

I'm guessing way below crappy...

I'm trying to be mean or belittle you, i'm just saying don't insult someone if you can't do better.

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But I can do better. I do do better.

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Originally Posted by Awesomemans

But I can do better. I do do better.

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I would like to see that then... :p


Show us all!!!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHyf4Mq7Nr4"]YouTube - Messing Around[/ame]

I'm not really playing Metal though, as I don't have a double bass pedal. :p

That makes your statement even more laughable, anyone who has attempted double bassing knows that to get even to Lar's level takes a fair while, those other bands you speak of are probably triggered, Lars has always used his own two feet and nothing else!

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Originally Posted by mcgrory1991

That makes your statement even more laughable, anyone who has attempted double bassing knows that to get even to Lar's level takes a fair while, those other bands you speak of are probably triggered, Lars has always used his own two feet and nothing else!

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Just because I don't have a double bass pedal doesn't mean I don't pretend to use it. Can I ask you, have you ever tried playing One? It's pretty easy.

Metallica Thread ? Hell Yes.
Some people think i can't Like Metallica and LBP at the same time, I guess im not the only one !

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Originally Posted by Awesomemans

Just because I don't have a double bass pedal doesn't mean I don't pretend to use it. Can I ask you, have you ever tried playing One? It's pretty easy.

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Yes and are you insane, you probably played some flick beats, but trying St. Anger and I bet you will sound like a gorilla is being attacked in the bass.

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Awesomemans, that video whilst probably showing a few years worth of skill is still bad. Your timing is way off almost consistantly, and you play your cymbals with the tip of your stick, probably the worst thing you could do. Either that or it just sounds that way.

I would provide a video of me but I don't have good enough means of recording at the moment, I will be attending studios soon and will post some stuff. I have played drums for 6-7 years mind you.

I am really not trying to be a smart ****, but from the way you were talking I was expecting a lot more, this sounds like me a few years ago.

Apart from double bass flicks and triplets I can't double bass for ***** past the first like 3 seconds, it's a very tough skill to master, and Lars has!

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Originally Posted by mcgrory1991

Yes and are you insane, you probably played some flick beats, but trying St. Anger and I bet you will sound like a gorilla is being attacked in the bass.

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Awesomemans, that video whilst probably showing a few years worth of skill is still bad. Your timing is way off almost consistantly, and you play your cymbals with the tip of your stick, probably the worst thing you could do. Either that or it just sounds that way.

I would provide a video of me but I don't have good enough means of recording at the moment, I will be attending studios soon and will post some stuff. I have played drums for 6-7 years mind you.

I am really not trying to be a smart ****, but from the way you were talking I was expecting a lot more, this sounds like me a few years ago.

Apart from double bass flicks and triplets I can't double bass for ***** past the first like 3 seconds, it's a very tough skill to master, and Lars has!

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Like all the greatest teenage wannabe drummers, I will blame it on the quality. :p

This thread is ruined. I just started it to talk about Metallica, and just because I said that Lars isn't as great as everyone says he is, the whole focus turned to Lars. Can we get back on track now? All this talking about Lars has given me a headache.

I don't think Lars is good because he doesn't really play any complex ostinatos . I don't think Kirk Hammet is that good of a guitarist because his solos are unoriginal and the only thing of his I really can't play on guitar is...well, nothing really. I have a bit of trouble on that long reach in Ride the Lightning but that's about it.

So what do YOU guys think of Metallica besides "Z0MG UR RONG LARZ IS TEH BETST AND UR TEH SUX!"?

I don't really like Metallica. =D

What is your music taste then? And please for the love of all that is sacred don't say Coldplay and The Killers, I have had enough of all the britpop crap seriously.

The festivals going on right now like T in the Park make me sick, the bands are just sheer crap.

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Like all the greatest teenage wannabe
So what do YOU guys think of Metallica besides "Z0MG UR RONG LARZ IS TEH BETST AND UR TEH SUX!"?

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Cliff. End of Story.
But really its just good and awesome music. I mean older stuff, Master, Ride the Lighting, Kill em all. Pulling Teeth is the one of the best Metallica songs with Orion imo. Cliff really made it, Jason was just kinda Meh. Yeah he did good on The Black album. The new stuff is okay, DM is pretty good i think. But the best albums are Master of Puppets, Not because of just Master of puppets, thats what i hate. How alot of people know just the album because of Master or Puppets. Listen to Battery, Damage Inc. And better yet Orion. Another good album is S&M. that was just friggen epic. Espically Battery. They need to do it again with Kill em all stuff, and Have to do Orion.

I guess we can safely say you like Orion then LOL.

You can't put it all down to Cliff, you've completely written off ...And Justice for All which has the same aura if not more fame than Master of Puppets, I know the first Metallica songs I heard were from ...And Justice for All.