h1n1 my thoughts

hey all. long day at school with literaly 5 differnt h1n1 presentations and you know. what is the big deal?
ohnestly though why are people so woried about it.
my thought on h1n1 is its just the government getting mony out of the vacseens.
when swine was first introdused the media just completly over hyped it making it sound like its the freeking black plauge.
me personaly never got my flu shots and never will because they arnt doing much.every year a new flue comes and every year thers a vaceen for it.NOT A BIG DEAL.
oh no oh no snake but 5000 people died. well cry me a river the normal flu killed how many now a few million. now don't call me evil or any thing but in the grand scheem of things 5000 people is not a whole lot.

the vaceens are so hard to get now because there cutting productions to put them in higher demand thus making distributer pay more.

this time next year swine will be all blown over and nobody will care anymore.

now sorry to anybody who had their lives changed by h1n1 but untill im 6 feet uder and my stone say 1995-2010 cause of death h1n1 i stand by my statement.

ps sorry about atrosus spelling im not very good at it:)

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Originally Posted by solid-snake

hey all. long day at school with literaly 5 differnt h1n1 presentations and you know. what is the big deal?
ohnestly though why are people so woried about it.
my thought on h1n1 is its just the government getting mony out of the vacseens.

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The government is actually paying nurses £5 for every vaccine they administer here in the UK. The Vaccine is also free here and in Canada. Probably elsewhere but those are the only two I can confirm. A side note it actually cost Canada 400million Canadian Dollars for 50 million vaccines.

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Originally Posted by solid-snake

when swine was first introdused the media just completly over hyped it

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I'll grant you that the media exaggerate. They do with everything.

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Originally Posted by solid-snake

me personaly never got my flu shots and never will because they arnt doing much.every year a new flue comes and every year thers a vaceen for it.NOT A BIG DEAL.

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You know why there is a new shot every year? Because the flu virus mutates so fast they need to develop a new vaccine each year. It's in the winter months because that is when we're more vulnerable. If the shot was not given, flu would kill one hell of a lot more.

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Originally Posted by solid-snake

oh no oh no snake but 5000 people died. well cry me a river the normal flu killed how many now a few million. now don't call me evil or any thing but in the grand scheem of things 5000 people is not a whole lot.

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Are you comparing the same time frame? If you compare the total death for each then sure seasonal flu will have killed a lot more. Swine flu hasn't been in the main stream long enough to kill those numbers yet. What you want to compare is deaths per day or deaths per 100 infected people per day. I don't have figures for this.

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Originally Posted by solid-snake

the vaceens are so hard to get now because there cutting productions to put them in higher demand thus making distributer pay more.

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Bringing you back to some numbers in point one, "A side note it actually cost Canada 400million Canadian Dollars for 50 million vaccines." That means it cost Canada $8 per vaccine. In the current economic climate that will get very expensive very quickly.

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Originally Posted by solid-snake

this time next year swine will be all blown over and nobody will care anymore.

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Like I said, the cold winter months make us more vulnerable. Flu goes on all year, it's just more predominant this time of year. If the vaccine does work however and the virus doesn't mutate immunity to it, then yes it will be forgotten as it will have been wiped out.

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Originally Posted by adlingtont

Are you comparing the same time frame? If you compare the total death for each then sure seasonal flu will have killed a lot more. Swine flu hasn't been in the main stream long enough to kill those numbers yet. What you want to compare is deaths per day or deaths per 100 infected people per day. I don't have figures for this.

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Well normal influenza kills 250.000 to half a million each year, H1N1 is still a long way off that.

Influenza: http://www.who.int/mediacentre/facts.../en/index.html

H1N1: http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_10_30/en/index.html

And this has been in the news in long time, but this year more people than ever have died of H5N1 (Avian Flu): http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian.../en/index.html

Ignorant post is ignorant.

post that doesn't consider the fact that someone on here died from this is ignorant.

fail post is fail.

winedit: I will actually have to laugh at the irony if you now get it. Sorry.

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Originally Posted by ir0nmaid3nfan

Ignorant post is ignorant.

post that doesn't consider the fact that someone on here died from this is ignorant.
fail post is fail.

winedit: I will actually have to laugh at the irony if you now get it. Sorry.

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Well, I can't agree with the bolded part. Everything happens everywhere so this means we wouldn't be able to talk about anything anywhere. People concerned by a subject have the liberty to not read.

HOWEVER, his post is very misinformed and also short-sighted.

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Syroc:
Influenza is a very bad virus but it mostly kill in the third world. It's rare the Influenza infect the more industrialised, safer places.
It's a bit like AIDs in the mean that there's millions of people dying from this every year but the poorer the country the more deaths there is.

This said, the H1N1 IS more contagious than many virus since a long time. It also kills some archetypes way more easily than others like kids and old people. While normal FLU infects like 10 people, H1N1 infects 20. That's why there was an alarm in the media and everywhere.

While the media DID exagerate, you should all prefer this than not being careful. Face it, people ARE stupid and are not careful about their health and hygiene. You NEED to tell them and exagerrate things so they speed up a little bit. H1N1 would kill alot more people if we weren't talking about it.

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solid-snake:
Think about this: While you are free to care and not care about your health, the fact you're living in society and that you are getting outside in public means you have a certain duty towards people around you. If you're some healthy young person you probably wouldn't die from the H1N1 but you could transmit it. Could be someone you know, could be a stranger. But the important part is ---> someone else could die because of you being selfish.

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Someone on this forum died of H1N1?!

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Originally Posted by dawesbr

Someone on this forum died of H1N1?!

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I was about to ask the same thing o_o

I thought it only killed people in poor living conditions, without medical care and bad immune systems. For example small children don't have properly developed immune systems so the virus has a much stronger affect on them.

For most people i'd imagine it's kind of low risk though compared to how much the media is blowing it out of proportion.

Actually it was luxran, he was never on this site but he was a great LBP creator.

I've caught swine flu, but it was a very mild case so I'll never know for sure.

That's it, someone on this forum (well, a few people actually) knew him... That's not the point, many people knew and liked him, and suggesting that it is not bad that ONLY 5000 people have died from it is ignorant and stupid. Think it through.

But there is a difference between saying something is not bad and saying comparatively few people have died from it.

If someone says that more people die from falling coconuts than in shark attacks, he doesn't necessarily imply that sharks aren't dangerous.

No, but the way he is talking about it suggests that the fact 5000 people have died from it is nothing, he doesn't care about the damage it causes to their families, it's 'only 5000' as if that's nothing. He also doesn't seem to understand that it's BECAUSE we spend so much money on vaccines that more people aren't dying. His entire post is a big fail.

edit: again, '5000 people in the grand scheme of things is not many'. Well then, if you get it and die, i guess you wouldn't mind that no one cares, your only 1 person, right? In the grand scheme of things, you are nothing, no one here is, if we are to believe what you are saying is correct. 5000 people in a certain time frame is a lot.

And i repeat my earlier statement:
I will actually have to laugh at the irony if you now get it. Sorry.

I don't understand what is ironic? Seriously, I don't...

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Originally Posted by ir0nmaid3nfan

5000 people in a certain time frame is a lot.

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In what time frame? We're talking a few months, right? More than 5000 people die every hour. More than 20,000 people die from cancer alone every day.

Every death is a tragedy, but I don't sit here lamenting the deaths of everyone I don't know and neither do you. It's just stupid for anyone to do so. If I were to die of H1N1 (or anything else for that matter), I would be fine with most of the world not caring, I really would. In fact I'd be glad, because if the world stopped every time a single tragic death occured, then it would never start up again.

My heart goes out to anyone who has lost someone through this disease, same as it does to everyone else who has lost someone, but on a global scale, 5000 deaths is not significant. You can dislike that all you want, I'll understand - it's not a nice concept, but it doesn't make it less true.



But, on topic. Ranger Zero makes a very very good point about the contagiousness (hmmm) of H1N1. It's no more deadly than normal flus, but has the capacity to spread much faster. The extra contagion could potentially become exponential in nature and keep spreading faster and faster. If that were to happen, then the mortality rate would skyrocket because hospitals wouldn't be able to cope. In addition, if the hospitals couldn't cope, other people with unrelated ailments would end up suffering as well etc etc.

That's why the overreaction was necessary - keeping it down at the very beginning to keep it under control. Waiting for it to get serious and unmanageable before having a response would have been stupid - very much closing the barn door after the horse has bolted. Plus we are heading into winter and the mortality rate will be set to rise along with an overall drop in everyone's immune system. We certainly won't be seeing the end of this particular strain any time soon.

And yes, adlingtont makes a very good point about governments NOT profiting from the vaccines. That's just a silly thing to say.


On a side note, I may or may not have had H1N1 last week. I had some kinda flu, don't know what one. I'm OK now though... mostly.

[QUOTE=ir0nmaid3nfan;325104] if you get it and die, i guess you wouldn't mind that no one cares, your only 1 person, right? In the grand scheme of things, you are nothing[QUOTE]

i know im nothing. if i were to die now i know it wouldn't change anything and im fine with that. and i know its tragic that people are dieing and i feel realy sorry for the familiest that had that struck upon them but my intire statement in this post was"h1n1 my thoughts" wich means this is my view on the subject and yess go ahead call me a no hart or evil for not caring mor about people dieing. its my thouts and soory if i affended you but if you disagree with my opinion call me out on it don't just start calling me a hpacrit agaist people with h1n1:)

When did i call you a 'hpacrit' (Hypocrite?) Do you know what a 'hpacrit' or even a hypocrite, is?

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Originally Posted by rtm223

But, on topic. Ranger Zero makes a very very good point about the contagiousness (hmmm) of H1N1. It's no more deadly than normal flus, but has the capacity to spread much faster. The extra contagion could potentially become exponential in nature and keep spreading faster and faster. If that were to happen, then the mortality rate would skyrocket because hospitals wouldn't be able to cope. In addition, if the hospitals couldn't cope, other people with unrelated ailments would end up suffering as well etc etc.

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But the normal way of diagnosing H1N1 is over the internet or the phone. It has the exact same symptoms of normal flu so there is no way to tell between the two using the normal method.
There is probably a lot less cases of H1N1 than what's being said.

Anyway, H1N1 has far too much pushing by the media. There is not a good enough reason to risk getting a vaccine in my oppinion.

I don't actually see how your post has any relevance to the high contagion rate of H1N1 (the point that you quoted from my post).

It's true that it's hard to actually diagnose H1N1 and doctors in many areas are taking an "assume H1N1 until proven otherwise" approach. The stats are skewwed all over the place anyway - if you take the assumed H1N1 stats then the results will be way higher than the real, if you take the confirmed H1N1 then it will be way lower than the real.

I agree that there is far to much media hype, but that is the norm. Much as I hate it you have to take media exageration in your stride. I won't be getting a vaccine, I didn't even bother with any kind of diagnosis when I had flu last week, I'm in my mid 20s and very healthy. There is plenty of reason to get the vaccine if you are in a high risk group. For my father, in his fifties with a wide range of medical ailments including respiratory problems, it would be pretty stupid not to.

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Originally Posted by rtm223

I don't actually see how your post has any relevance to the high contagion rate of H1N1 (the point that you quoted from my post).

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Because it may appear to be more contagious because of the numbers.

I think some of the early figures were based upon lab-confirmed testing. Not 100% on that though.

Everyone is making a fuss over this because H1N1 can be fatal and is very contagious and does develop very quickly in the body - that's why symptoms show up very soon.

I got my vaccine, and it's super powers be kicking in very soon. My friend has H1N1 very badly. My school's closed. It's like preparing for the apocalypse... not very cool. :(

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Originally Posted by ir0nmaid3nfan

No, but the way he is talking about it suggests that the fact 5000 people have died from it is nothing, he doesn't care about the damage it causes to their families, it's 'only 5000' as if that's nothing. He also doesn't seem to understand that it's BECAUSE we spend so much money on vaccines that more people aren't dying. His entire post is a big fail.

edit: again, '5000 people in the grand scheme of things is not many'. Well then, if you get it and die, i guess you wouldn't mind that no one cares, your only 1 person, right? In the grand scheme of things, you are nothing, no one here is, if we are to believe what you are saying is correct. 5000 people in a certain time frame is a lot.

And i repeat my earlier statement:
I will actually have to laugh at the irony if you now get it. Sorry.

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Ahem.


40 people a year die from vending machines falling on them. So you be okay if someone said "Vending Machine safety is no big deal" if one fell on you?!?

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Yeah, you're right, you genius, you. Swine Flu can kill people. It has killed people, that's how we know that. But closing down schools and stuff in fear of this disease is stupid. Thousands of people (more than swine flu) die of drowning each year but we aren't closing down all beaches and pools, are we?