Low(est) Thermo Set-Reset

Not sure why glass would make it so much better, but OKAY! :p

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Originally Posted by rtm223

Although, I have no idea what the bolded part is supposed to mean.

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In my eyes, and due to the research from the Thermo Guide, adding a connector is more desirable than adding a piece of material. Generally speaking, you'd be hard pressed to push the limits of the 'Connectors' Thermo, correct? Hence, my notation was supposed to say that adding a winch is still better than adding a piece of material.

Not sure I totally understand your 'feedback loop' ramblings. Mind clarifying for us simple folk?

:)

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Originally Posted by comphermc

Generally speaking, you'd be hard pressed to push the limits of the 'Connectors' Thermo, correct?

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Well that is true, but you forget that connectors also contribute to collected objects, along with all of your other logic, lighting, sounds, points.... That one is not so hard to blow and it's easier to lose a piece of dark matter from elsewhere than lose a functional component IMO. At the end of the day, increasing one type of thermo in order to reduce another can only be considered desirable if the requirements of the level are known.

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Not sure I totally understand your 'feedback loop' ramblings. Mind clarifying for us simple folk?

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In the SRs I use the output can, if desired, be fed back into the piston so that the block is never loose.

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Originally Posted by comphermc

Like this:

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/6752/aphoto51.jpg

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9506/aphoto52.jpg

As promised, it has a one-shot toggle element, but a forced reset triggered by a second input (the right grab switch). The idea here is an exploit of the minimum latency of switches, at .05 seconds. The flipper piston (the one on the top), plays "hand-off" with the other block. Try it out, it's quite tricky.

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Hmm.. that is sneaky!!

Just tried it out, and it worked perfectly!!
Though I modified it a little.. since im using a shared input for the Reset i just have a block that pushes all the keys down when activated.. really simple to use!

Thanks again!

Now i really wanna show you what I'm working on!:D

Thought i'd post about another SR switch for those interested; the Toggle Switch thingy from the (intermediate was it?) Logic Pack. If instead of hooking one switch up to both pistons, you hook two switches up to the left and right pistons then you get SR behavior. Not the lowest thermo one, but the only one i know of which will toggle the value if both inputs are activated!

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Originally Posted by RCIX

Thought i'd post about another SR switch for those interested; the Toggle Switch thingy from the (intermediate was it?) Logic Pack. If instead of hooking one switch up to both pistons, you hook two switches up to the left and right pistons then you get SR behavior. Not the lowest thermo one, but the only one i know of which will toggle the value if both inputs are activated!

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On the contrary, it's the only one from the set that could break if you hit one input and then the other. The opposite piston could hit the block at its full extension, thereby trapping the block in the middle.

The one I posted as a response to Shadowheaven will favor one input over the other in the event that both are pressed at once.

Hey compher... I made a set reset that only involved a sack person, gravity and a grabby. Does that count? LOL!!

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Originally Posted by jwwphotos

Hey compher... I made a set reset that only involved a sack person, gravity and a grabby. Does that count? LOL!!

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Um.... I'm not sure? :p

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Originally Posted by comphermc

Um.... I'm not sure? :p

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LOL!! ..well it was a bit of a fancy grabby. Prolly not! :p

Ta-da! Improved version: when both inputs are 1 the SET has priority over RESET (it can be invert easily, anyway):

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/153/setreset.gif

settings:
winch (RESET input):
min 10
max 15
strenght 10

piston (SET input):
min 5
max 15
strenght 7
inverted, stiff

The device is hysteresis-based, so if you don't get how this works, ask away

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Originally Posted by rtm223

It's called hysteresis and essentially the line at which you switch is not a line but in fact a zone. Say for example you wanted the switching point to be at 50 units. What you may find is that as you move the magnetic key inwards, the switch doesn't switch on until it's at 48. Then on the way out it won't switch off until the key is at around 52.

It's to prevent jitter at the point at which it switching occurs.

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Niiiiiice.


Of course, the problem with devices like this is that they don't have a position associated with each of the states that they are in, which means that they won't play nice with any kind of implied logic techniques and it's quite hard (sometimes) to get a hysteresis-based device even sharing mag keys without some major faffing around, so the device will quite often have to exist as a single device on its own, which may well actually waste thermo.

But still...

Niiiiiice :D

Genius! Very creative! (and no springs!)

Very cool!!
I kinda like my set-reset.. but this is just genius!

Hey, I'm a little confused on what this switch does. Is it like a permanent switch, except with a way to reset it? when you grab the left grab switch it pulls the Mag switch towards the key correct? Does it hold it there? Hahaha, just a little confused by the wording somehow.

In many ways yes. Think of it a little like the two way lever switch. If you pull it to the on position, it turns on and stays on. If you pull it to the off position it turns off and stays off. The set reset just takes two signals, one to turn it on (set) and one to turn it off (reset). If neither of these signals are on then it just stays as it is. It's useful in this respect as it has a kind of memory, which makes it a very powerful tool.

The examples here are a little harder to understand, so you'd be better off checking the example in the intermediate (is it intermediate? I really should know this) logic pack level. search @logicpack in game or click the logic pack tab up the top of the page :)

Yep, it's the first room in the intermediate pack.

Edit: @rtm - for the purposes of most creators (myself sometimes included) implied logic is beyond the scope of caring, so this set-reset is fantastic. And, in fact, it can share keys if you put the switch on the moving part, yes? The only downside I see is that you may often want multiple inputs to handle a set or reset. I can see this being confusing to work out, but not impossible.

I can see how it wouldn't work for some things, but more options is great any way you hack it.