Screwed up jumping.

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Originally Posted by s3xNstilettos

Every reply after my last post is like the post wasn't even read...

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Maybe they found that font color too much strain on their eyes. ;)

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Originally Posted by s3xNstilettos

Everyone keeps saying it's pointless conversation unless you see the sourcecode, or we should ask MM.

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I believe only I said it was pointless, and if you read my post correctly, I said it was because the result has no practical value. Whatever the outcome, no-one wins anything.

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Originally Posted by s3xNstilettos

But every game suffers from that random factor.

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Not true. Here's my totally non-random game (in old-school C)...

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main(){}

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...guaranteed to do the same thing every time. :p

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Originally Posted by s3xNstilettos

The only way game code has anything to do with what I'm talking about is if the randomness had to do with flawed coding...

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So I suppose it's impossible for the code to use PRNG routines like rand()?

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Originally Posted by s3xNstilettos

But even assuming the coding is flawless, that doesn't mean the output will always be flawless. A random factor is always there. What causes it I don't know, except that it is related to technology.

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Well, I guess whether or not the player decides to put a sledgehammer through their PS3 or not might affect the outcome. ;)

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Originally Posted by Aya042

Not true. Here's my totally non-random game (in old-school C)...
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main(){}...guaranteed to do the same thing every time.

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Holy toledo! I just hacked into MM and was able to view a bit of the LittleBigPlanet source code. I think it explains everything! Check out what I found:

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int ReallyComplexJumpingRoutine()
{
    if(strcmp(CurrentPSN, "s3xNstilettos") == 0)
    {
        RandomizeAllJumpingBehavior();
    }
    else
    {
        NormalJumpingRoutineForEveryoneElse();
    }
    return(0);
}

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Wow, and all this time....... Mystery solved. We can probably close this thread now.
:D

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Originally Posted by s3xNstilettos

...technology will not always do what it's suppose to do no matter how flawless or exact any code or anything is. Most the time things generally function as they should, but not always. Simple as that.

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That's like saying an algebraic equation doesn't have the same solution every time. It's a patently false statement.

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It doesn't matter if the coding is exact with no errors anywhere, things can still happen.

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All programming languages are based (at their core) on basic mathematics. "Things" will not happen unless programmed to (or not programmed to.)

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... as I've said I am not referring to developer mistakes (but I did point that out as possibility). Although if there were flaws in the code, then that could cause randomness. But even assuming the coding is flawless, that doesn't mean the output will always be flawless.

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That's because games (in general) are largely dependent on user input. Again, a game can only do what it's code allows it to.

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Every game ever, even classic games, have the random factor. They all can bug or glitch at any given time.

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No, they "bug" and "glitch" when a specific set of criteria occur. Again, the code itself defines all of this. A bug or glitch can only occur due to limitations or flaws in the game or system's design, and even then only once a specific criteria of variables is met.

If there is a "glitch" with jumping it is either:

a) based on user input and game environment (i.e. player hitting buttons and level design) and largely circumstantial OR
b) existent on everyone's system in precisely the same way due to a flaw in programming or other such oversight

I am arguing against b due to my own observations, and the lack of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. If there were really a bug with jumping, it would have been evident on patch day to everyone.

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Originally Posted by CCubbage

Holy toledo! I just hacked into MM and was able to view a bit of the LittleBigPlanet source code. I think it explains everything! Check out what I found:

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:D

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Originally Posted by CCubbage

if(strcmp(CurrentPSN, "s3xNstilettos") != 0)

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No wonder LBP is so flaky - the developers don't seem to know the correct return values for strcmp(). ;)

Oh, and you can use the [CODE] tag to make everything line up right.

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Originally Posted by Aya042

No wonder LBP is so flaky - the developers don't seem to know the correct return values for strcmp().

Oh, and you can use the [CODE] tag to make everything line up right.

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Wow.... that was a close call. Everyone EXCEPT her just about got messed up. Fixed. :D

Yup - code tag works much better.

This is pointless.

Technology messes up all the time. It's a common occurence. Yes, if the code is flawless it will do what it's suppose to do. But again, I have mentioned multiple times that there are many factors that determine whether the output will be what it's suppose to be. Coding can't run on its own.

Anyways, it's obvious since so many people here are involved in technology, either career or whatever, then no matter what they won't accept facts. The kind of people that rely on technology and think it is flawless. That is absolutely silly. There are hidden random factors in everything, things that generally can't be known or detected. So everyone is arguing against the inevitable. Something could be intefering with the system's ability to read the code right, or other random issues. And this has nothing to do with player skill. So telling me I'm wrong is just silly.

All the code stuff is pointless. Here I have been saying the whole time that everyone is right about the code, but mentioning random factors that can cause non-player controlled things to occur, but yet everyone is still repeating the same argument that code isn't wrong . . .

So the argument has gone like this, almost like its a prank on me . . .

A) There are random factors to the controls in this game.
B) There are no random factors. If the code is error proof then same output will always occur with exact same input.
A) Regardless of whether the code is right or wrong doesn't matter. I'm talking about random factors. It doesn't have to do with the code, so why talk about the code.
B) There are no random factors. If the code is error proof then same output will always occur with exact same input.

See, that sounds ridiculous. Everyone keeps talking about code code code code. It's like everything I say except for the very first comment on randomness is not even being seen. Everyone is acting like I said the code produces randomness. All I ever pointed out is that IF there were errors in the code, then it could be related to the random occurences.

@schm0:

No, a game can do things regardless of what its code is, as I just mentioned above. There are always random factors there that have nothing to do with the code or player skill. So people keep telling me I'm wrong, and it's just silly. A code cannot function on its own. It has to go from input to output, and anything interferring with that can alter the outcome. That is fact.

Wow, look at what have i startted?
Well, i got my confirmation to the original question somewhere else, and since this is derrailing to a different discussion, mods will you lock this thread?
There are already too many discussions already at LBPC, i don't want to help fire another one up.

(I had a huge post in response, but decided to shorten it to this.)

The answer to the OP's original question is this:

You are most likely imagining things.

ROFLMAO - Wow... well I guess it really is true...

There are ten kinds of people in this world - those that understand binary and those that don't.

This has been one of the most amusing reads in some time. Thanks everyone!

Whew!

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Originally Posted by v0rtex

ROFLMAO - Wow... well I guess it really is true...

There are ten kinds of people in this world - those that understand binary and those that don't.

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Pssst.. that's 10 kinds of people not ten. ;)

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Originally Posted by jwwphotos

Pssst.. that's 10 kinds of people not ten. ;)

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LOL - OMG... Nothing like totally blowing a good joke. I could say I did that to make a point, but yeah - I was just being obtuse. It will have to remain unedited to underline the effect of human error and stupidity (or maybe to teach a valuable lesson in humility - Lord knows it needs teaching).

Well, that was fun while it lasted... :rolleyes:

I will reserve my statements on the topic (however much I want to make a quick jab and then lock this), but I will just close it down respectfully. Hope you had your question answered in some regard, Silverleon.

Locked.

:)