Can someone tell what The Negativitron speech meant at the final level, cause i kinda didnt get what he was talking about.
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Can someone tell what The Negativitron speech meant at the final level, cause i kinda didnt get what he was talking about.
That the negativitron, in a sense, was all the story characters. He was insecurity in Victoria, Self Absorption in Eve, Vanity in Avalon, etc.
As in, he was created by those negative aspects of their personalities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richasackboy
Long story short, he's the bad side in us all.
Think of it this way. He is to us what Mr. Hyde was to Dr. Jekyll.
Which is odd because most of the characters seemed fairly non-evil to me, I only noticed Avalon and Clive, as for Eve, Higgenbottom, Victoria, they seem pretty good, what bad traits do they have? :confused:
I don't even see anything evil in Clive...?
It's not necessarily about the evil traits but what was putting down every characters. Clive's weakness, Victoria's insecurity, Clive's vanity (as stated by Richasackboy).Quote:
Originally Posted by warlord_evil
It doesn't have to be evil to be bad.
He pokes people with his paperclips while you're not looking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Super_Clone
Not "Evil" traits, "Bad/ Negative" traits.Quote:
Originally Posted by warlord_evil
A cake can taste bad, yet that doesn't mean its evil or have evil taste.
(Altho it can be, you never know with them cakes... :kz:)
I was pretty taken back when I heard his speech. I mean, I expected an actual storyline this time round, but this was like.. deep. lol.
No, I realize that, which is why I put "...what bad traits do they have?" at the end, sorry for the misleading information.
But still, I didn't really notice anything bad with Herbert, Eve, maybe I should watch those cut-scenes again...Herbert being philosophical and a great inventor, doesn't seem like a bad trait; Eve seems to be helping people, so I don't see how she's self centered, etcetera.
Does anyone think that we're getting a little to into the story? It's like wondering in LBP1 if The Collector was really evil and did The King really want you to go help the monkeys in Africa? :p
I guess we ARE kind of over-analyzing it, but only because it was pretty deep compared to LBP1's, and the Curators were really interesting this time around as well as the story overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by warlord_evil
If you didn't notice, all the curators from the first game are in Eve's Asylum.. kinda fishy if you ask me. Was Sackboy just being used as a tool by the psycho curators? DID the King really care about those monkeys? What does it all mean!? Yep... very fishy indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by warlord_evil
Pleasantly surprised by that speech.
But I thought the story curators died if you killed negativitron? (or something, it didn't have my full attention at the time.)
I think he was just an evil vacuum cleaner with delusions of grandeur. If I had a nickel for every time my vacuum cleaner told me it was all the negative aspects of my personality, I'd ... er, have a lot of nickels.
I think The Negativitron meant something else.
"Vanity, insecurity, short temper and self-absorption"
Things like these consume creativity. The Negativitron consumes creativity.
"I am all of you!"
Get it?
It was almost word for word a reference to Tim Curry's final speech as the devil in Legend.
He's not philosophical, he's under the influence.Quote:
Originally Posted by warlord_evil
At least, that's what I got from the whole "eyes were pies" thing.
I actually got goosebumps at the very end when Steven Fry's voice kicks in with the "Do not take lightly your dreams...." speech.
The final showdown between the meanies and the sackbots was awesome though
And Higgenbottom isn't "Under the Influence" - he's just opened the doors of perception within his own mind. There are chemical ways that let you do this also ;)
And doesn't Vanity and Self-Absorbtion roughly equate to the same thing?
You should change the bag more often ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sehven
Vanity and self absorption are very different. Vanity is all about the perception of oneself in the eyes of others. Self absorption would be merely only caring about oneself. They often go hand in hand, but are different traits.
He eats socks and licks peoples' eyes. 'nuff said.Quote:
Originally Posted by warlord_evil
Da vinchi - Short temper
Avalon - Vanity
Victoria - Insecurities
Eve - Self Absorption - What? She's a nurse who helps people get better? She didn't seem self absorbed to me.
Clive - Depressive
Higgenbottom - Erm, he's clever but doesn't make his ideas obvious? Confusing to others?
Anyone want to quote/fix this list? I'm still a little confused.
I think that concept missing something... in DaVinci and Vicroria intros you can see moment when they emit negative energy (purple light), it hints that negtivitron have something to do with them, but after that it's gone. Not to mention neg say only 3 negatives of characters missing Clive and Higgenbottom. Higgenbottom seems to be normal just talk in non-sence way.
So i fells like this motive is tied very lightly by the writer... which imo is bad
The "By destroying me you destroy yourselfs" sounds like a pure bluff, i don't see any 2 way bound between characters and him to make that possible. Faster killing his creators could destroy him, that seems more logical, since they are energy source for him.... so i don't know why he attacking me and them :p
Yeah, the collector was just misunderstood. He was collecting things to keep them safe :pQuote:
Originally Posted by warlord_evil
And the King rules the Savannah with an Iron Fist - Sackboy just helped cement his position in power, when it was the Kings own blundering incompetance that led to the problems in the first place! Who "really" started that fire eh? :rolleyes:
Where'd you get the idea their personalities reflect just one vice apiece?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jedi_1993
I think it's simply a case of a semi weak story. They sorta phoned the story in later and allowed an evil vacuum cleaner pull all the pieces together.
I wouldn't worry about it too much. ;)
Well, as the Negativatron reams off the list of negative traits, it does a close up of each character, and as the trait is listed - it pops up with a hologram chariacature of the character.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luminous_Reaver
it's only natural to assume, given the narrative archetype. ;)
Yeah, that's what I thought you were thinking. The Negativivtron only lists four vices.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macnme
I don't quite understand how it was natural for you to assume they applied to six characters.
Yeah, that's what I thought. He'd hardly say "By destroying me you all live happily ever after", he's obviously saying this so that they WON'T kill him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowriver
Alternatively you could argue that what he says is true but not literally. By destroying him they're only destroying those parts of themselves. That's really what it's all about, these characters overcoming their negative traits. When the Negativitron is destroyed they all become better people. Presumably.
What I imagine Negativitron means, as long as people have negativity in them, he will always be there. You can't rid of the negativity in everyone, unless you...destroy everyone. Mwahahaha! :kz:
Aw man, stealth downer ending. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by UltimateClay
I thought it was about how Cool Levels (read: the community) sucks. The Negativitron embodies all those lazy, impatient, heart and play craving players. Probably shouldn't have said this out loud.. :p
heres what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jedi_1993
Avalon= vanity
Victoria= Insecurities
Eve= Self Absorbed (check out her first speech. see states that the patiants are NOTHING w/o her love and herself, and she's mean to clive, who is depressed, not very nurse like huh)
Clive= Depressive
Higgenbottom= ... hmmm... i really don't know. The negitiveitron never said :boo:
But to answer the OP
Basicly The negitivitron is the physical manifastation of the negitive traits of all creators. He is reliant of distruction and devotion on destroying the craft world.
what he ment by the part of "if you kill me you kill yourselves" is that If people take away their bad selves, they would not be. its kind of like counter-balancing. The Good side weres off the bad, and the bad makes sure that the good isn't perfect.
In short: negitivitron= Manifestation of creators' bad selves
You must think that the Negativitron got most of its power from sackboy, I mean he has his whole "If you kill me, you will all die" speech, and yet sackboy still goes ahead and kills him :P
Yeah, the others helped near the end, but it's not like they huddled together and decided to sacrifice themselves to destroy him.
But overall, I don't really care how silly the ending was, as long as they didn't become friends with the Negativitron then I was fine.
Eve is pretty self-absorbed.
She doesn't really care when Clive gets all scared about having to go up the tree in the catepillar, and she's pretty sarcastic.
She also came across as quite vain[?] when she did her whole, "my patients are nothing without my love.." speech.
So in short, she really only cares about her self and is quite narcissistic in a sense.
However, we could all be wrong. The Negativitron could have just been reeling off their bad traits, but the pictures of the curators themselves didn't necessarily correspond to what he was saying, if you know what I mean? :)
It's supposed to be a reflection on differing Sackpeople creators personalities.
Or, in other words, it's all of *our* (as in, us creators), negative aspects.
not evil, negative aspects that combine into evilQuote:
Originally Posted by Super_Clone
I think thats exactly what it meant. Just look at the latest creator spotlight. what did Ungreth list as his favorite and least favorite things about lbp.Quote:
Originally Posted by firstar
The answer to both was "the community"
We can be helpful, friendly gadders. We can also be hateful, antagonistic jerks.
Just like the first story was intended to create some self reflection on the players part this is doing the same thing.
Most likely to try to get players into a positive community mindset, since the game evolves so heavily around the community.
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Originally Posted by Deftmute
Agree 200%,
have you noticed also how MM removed some tags? like Rubbish, Ugly etc? Its all for the same reason, I love LBP2 and how MM made it.
I think it's just a commentary about the community in LBP. A lot of people just made levels for popularity and some refuse to make levels just because they don't want to learn how to use the tools of create mode. All of this negativity clustered to form the Negativitron which is a product of the bad aspects of the community.
Also he's just BSing about killing him and killing yourself at the end, because he knows Sackboy will beat the crap out of him. :)