Have you ever felt like giving up creating?

Its hard when your on my (Our) shoes for example, cause I know Im not the only one. But i guess it would feel the same to me and the rest who go through this.
But I do what I read ever since, I only created for myself, and if I didnt like something I would either not publish it or break it, I never created for the purpose of a MM pick or Cool levels which I never had neither.

I just created for myself while being humble and negative and shy id say.... *Me while Publishing*--> "Why am I doing this...no ones gonna play it anyway..."

I like to act strong and not let it bother me..but im not a robot i mean just like all you said, it feels good to have alot of people play your stuff and send you a msg saying
"DUde you Awezomes" or even if its something silly like that lol.



But Just like me or Ghost, coconut, or any other creator that goes through this, we dont have any of that...
At some point you feel like giving up. You just get tired of being strong, you just noticed you never were, your just ignoring the fact that it sucks, and the feeling of it just makes you feel like crap...

Publishing a level can feel like a fruitless endeavour sometimes. Especially when it gets only a single digit play count and no one comments or gives feedback so you're left guessing what it is that people like/dislike about your level.

Some moments which made feel like giving creating included that time when the "Your profile cannot be saved because it is too large" bug was still rampant (thank god that one was eventually dealt with). And then my old PS3 fell victim to the YLOD nearly a year ago while I was testing a level I was going to publish. (It got repaired so I successfully published it in the end) But those moments had a huge effect on the way i played LBP since. I still haven't officially given up creating although I've hardly touched create mode in LBP2.

Like most people said, you spend so much time on your level and then it only gets a few plays. While the hotel bomb survivals and the hurt justin bieber levels are getting like 1000 plays a day. You spend weeks making a quality level and it gets like 10 plays. The other guy takes a picture of justin bieber, puts it on some wood and then uses explosives on that wood and this entire process takes a day at most and it gets like 10,000 plays. That's why I stopped.

The problem is current cultural stigmas and target audience, I fear.

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Originally Posted by Bender

Could someone please lock/delete this thread? Reading this... It is just depressing + I don't really want these false, hateful statements about my character being read by others on the site. thank you. :)

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oh no, nobody Is refering to you :)
I mean you just gave your honest opinion, My post wasnt directed to you btw, it was just like you know speaking out loud etc.
But dont worry you havent offended anyone here, its just your opinion and ways of seing things is different thats all and we all understand that buddy.
Just yeah its really hard...its just hard for you to understand see? but that doesnt mean were insulting you or something, we know your not a bad person :), dont worry about it.


An opinion is an opinion no matter what or where it is. No hard feelings man.

Creating is just a part of the game and the point of the game is to have fun.

If it ever starts feeling like a chore you should just stop, you should only do it if you're having fun. If you're not having fun or having any ideas, what do you gain by forcing it? Besides, there's so much to the create mode. It doesn't only have to be some new epic masterpiece that'll get a million plays overnight - I think I had just as much fun creating my levels as just randomly messing around in create mode. Not to mention, you discover the darndest things when doing that. I highly recommend everyone just fool around at least once, you'll be surprised at the ideas you'll have.

Anything I publish, it's not because I feel a need to impress anyone or get tons of plays. It's because when I'm looking at the soon to be finished product, I am happy. There is no better feeling in the world than making something and actually enjoying it. Getting off to my own music, actually looking at my own level and thinking "yeah, it's pretty cool!" . That is what create is all about.

So even though I have a pretty deep knowledge of the logic, I go for what I think is fun first. Never worry that your stuff isn't "impressive" enough. As long as it jerk out a smile, it's good enough. I've never encountered a piece of logic in any level I've ever played or any proposed idea that I couldn't replicate - no logic impresses me. Only cool gameplay and visual style impresses me. Like in my shooters, I could easily make them much more elaborate, but I decided to keep it simple - and I think it's still just as fun. There's no point in doing all sorts of logic just because you can.

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Originally Posted by Foofles

Creating is just a part of the game and the point of the game is to have fun.

If it ever starts feeling like a chore you should just stop, you should only do it if you're having fun. If you're not having fun or having any ideas, what do you gain by forcing it? Besides, there's so much to the create mode. It doesn't only have to be some new epic masterpiece that'll get a million plays overnight - I think I had just as much fun creating my levels as just randomly messing around in create mode. Not to mention, you discover the darndest things when doing that. I highly recommend everyone just fool around at least once, you'll be surprised at the ideas you'll have.

Anything I publish, it's not because I feel a need to impress anyone or get tons of plays. It's because when I'm looking at the soon to be finished product, I am happy. There is no better feeling in the world than making something and actually enjoying it. Getting off to my own music, actually looking at my own level and thinking "yeah, it's pretty cool!" . That is what create is all about.

So even though I have a pretty deep knowledge of the logic, I go for what I think is fun first. Never worry that your stuff isn't "impressive" enough. As long as it jerk out a smile, it's good enough. I've never encountered a piece of logic in any level I've ever played or any proposed idea that I couldn't replicate - no logic impresses me. Only cool gameplay and visual style impresses me. Like in my shooters, I could easily make them much more elaborate, but I decided to keep it simple - and I think it's still just as fun. There's no point in doing all sorts of logic just because you can.

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Thanks for that post foofles :).
Surely that will open alot of peoples eyes and be able to see things in a different way when they read it, and your right, your 100% right on everything, I guess sometimes we take all this competition thing a little to seriously...and I guess we just get lost...

For example, its actually been a while since I made something and actually said "I Like this level"...i mean...

I barely play my own levels...
but I hope alot of people come through this thread and read all this, it could really inspire them just like it inspired me after reading everything.

I've Never Thought of giving up on creating... Its just my motivation sucks! I start to get really into a level and them BAM! Someone wants to join and completely puts me off. I can never concentrate on what im doing, Which is exactly what im doing now... Also i can never think of new gameplay which really annoys me.

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Originally Posted by Bender

Hansel and Gretelbot had 12 levels at once I believe. Why do my four levels bother you so much?

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They don't bother me because I don't even like them. I only mentioned them because you were the one who talked about "originality" being important. Didn't you?

I never got into create mode seriously in lbp1, I felt that there was too much emphasis on getting trophies such as gaining hearts. But when lbp2 came out, the potential to create innovative contraptions with the use of logic, I see there is possible to make anything you can think of. Compare my own levels, my lbp1 levels are nothing much in terms of inovation, compared to my 2lbp2 levels.

For me I'm not a visual artist/designer, but with interest in system interfaces I found a way to create the sims interface, and I am still documenting, updating and testing it and still not bored of it, maybe because it is what I do best, and see some serious potential. I created it and never found it too tedious, and that it took around 800 minutes to make. Compared to my angry birds concept that I got fed up with toward the end, and took around 150 minutes.

It is quite disheartening when your levels are lucky to reach 50 plays. But keep the faith then your levels may become a cult classic. Between my first lbp1 levels, I did a small test I named a level Rick rolled to see how it did despite being almost empty, it eventually gained over 300 plays very quickly despite other levels where taken longer to make.

From this test most bad levels are based in popular key words to instantly get plays. An awful shame. Hopefully those sort of levels does not carry on in future lbp2 levels.

create, don't hate :)

I wouldn't say I really have.
Well, I've made levels, but none of them were great, so I wasn't surprised to only get 300 plays.
Yet I would say seeing spam and thrown-together levels being so highly rated. While other levels made with time, and that are visually stunning and have good gameplay all round' being lost in the bowls of the craft earth does disappoint me.

I have the same felling if i working on something that i don't know hat im working on, this is why i think i will saty in one-place minigames and maybe co-create with other creators. maybe you should

@Bloo_boy keep in mind i didn't heart you for no reason, your art is not ordenry and it's very good through you need to work on composition of it with gameplay. Be confident of that same as i was with my logic skills, when my first 2 LBP levels went unnoticed, same was with BobTox. Notice does not come quickly in LBP, you just need petitions.

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Originally Posted by PerfectlyDarkTails

From this test most bad levels are based in popular key words to instantly get plays. An awful shame. Hopefully those sort of levels does not carry on in future lbp2 levels.

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Unfortunately that's already happening in LBP2. It didn't take long. It seems like all you have to do is just knock out some very quick, rubbish levels, and all you have to do is put "FREE", "3D", or "PINS/TROPHIES" in the name and you get a bunch of plays. I'll never stoop that low though, so I guess I'm doomed to forever make good levels but have no plays.

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Originally Posted by mistervista

Unfortunately that's already happening in LBP2. It didn't take long. It seems like all you have to do is just knock out some very quick, rubbish levels, and all you have to do is put "FREE", "3D", or "PINS/TROPHIES" in the name and you get a bunch of plays. I'll never stoop that low though, so I guess I'm doomed to forever make good levels but have no plays.

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In all honesty... I haven't been seeing this happening a lot in lbp2... Cool Pages is actually cool!

Dude it's a game enjoy the game whatever way you will like to enjoy it.

For me creating can be very much like work, hard frickin work. I have 5 levels im working on that have nothing to do with one another. When I get bord of working one I just move to another. I'm saying for me the 'fun' part of creating & publishing your levels is not always in creating, but in the satifaction you feel when you create something that you can be proud of. Everyone hits a wall when it come to new and fun ideas. That's why it's good to have a positive friend or friends that can invest themselves in what you are working on by giving honest feedback and ideas to get you over the hump. If you publish a level multiple times and get a poor result everytime then maybe you should post with f4f and keep an open mind about the suggestions. The truth is even the great creators of our community have levels that are not popular.

Hope this was relevant to the current discussion.

I already have given up creating. I just don't see a point to it anymore. I've made 3 levels with maybe 100 or so plays and that's good enough for me.

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Originally Posted by CENTURION24

For me creating can be very much like work, hard frickin work. I have 5 levels im working on that have nothing to do with one another. When I get bord of working one I just move to another. I'm saying for me the 'fun' part of creating & publishing your levels is not always in creating, but in the satifaction you feel when you create something that you can be proud of. Everyone hits a wall when it come to new and fun ideas. That's why it's good to have a positive friend or friends that can invest themselves in what you are working on by giving honest feedback and ideas to get you over the hump. If you publish a level multiple times and get a poor result everytime then maybe you should post with f4f and keep an open mind about the suggestions. The truth is even the great creators of our community have levels that are not popular.

Hope this was relevant to the current discussion.

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Yeah, it was more or less relevant. I have trouble with the way of thinking that you now must go through to say, "Hold the horses... is the community going to play this, no." I hate that. So many great ideas that come to me, and I try to make them work, but who would play it? My levels aren't great or anything, but pixelated is more than most people give it credit for, and sadly, someone got famous by plagarising "Do you like Waflles". :moody:
The way I get my spririt back is by going to the mm picks page and looking at levels with alot of work, that deserve the appreciation. Makes me feel like someday I might land something there, I could care less about the cool pages.

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Originally Posted by Bloo_boy

Its hard when your on my (Our) shoes for example, cause I know Im not the only one. But i guess it would feel the same to me and the rest who go through this.
But I do what I read ever since, I only created for myself, and if I didnt like something I would either not publish it or break it, I never created for the purpose of a MM pick or Cool levels which I never had neither.

I just created for myself while being humble and negative and shy id say.... *Me while Publishing*--> "Why am I doing this...no ones gonna play it anyway..."

I like to act strong and not let it bother me..but im not a robot i mean just like all you said, it feels good to have alot of people play your stuff and send you a msg saying
"DUde you Awezomes" or even if its something silly like that lol.



But Just like me or Ghost, coconut, or any other creator that goes through this, we dont have any of that...
At some point you feel like giving up. You just get tired of being strong, you just noticed you never were, your just ignoring the fact that it sucks, and the feeling of it just makes you feel like crap...

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It's true, It's easy to be the big business man with a lot of money and say, "The economy is fine I don't see why people are complaining."

It would be nice to see my level get some plays but now when I think about it maybe my level isn't as good as I think. I will never stop creating or messing around in create mode but I don't have the motivation to create something if I know it's only for myself, I have other things to do with my life lol.