Spirit of Ninja ~Kougeki Attack Densetsu!~

It's time I get around to making a thread for this. It's a shooter & platformer that auto-scrolls, which I think is a rare combination. Okay, the platforming is minor, but you will get to do A LOT of shooting, I can promise. Hold down the R1 button to spam your enemies with throwing stars, and expect boss fights, etc. Enjoy!

Of the few people to have played this in the two weeks since it's been published, all those who have rated it, reviewed it, or even completed it have been members of this forum. Thank you, guys :-)


http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/8...9c4af0efe9.jpg

http://lbp.me/v/x245p3

There's lots of hilarious awesomeness going on here.

[spoiler]The Shuriken Machine Gun, the endless barrage of varied enemies, the dragon, the cat, the gong, the boss... All just rock in the classic over-the-top way. Winged dogs!

I kinda felt it should scroll slightly faster, which would require the enemies to die faster, as well. Not sure if it's worth the effort to do so. Also, the wall jump after the dragon was awkward, but I think you knew that.[/spoiler]

My son currently owning my ps3 !! I cant test it :P But is listed. Dont worry i will play it and review soon. For the screens and the ingame comments it seems Awsome :)

Meanwhile if u can f4f my lvl on sig i will apreciate ;)

Ok here it goes:
- The level idea is amazing.. this shows were creativity and imagination.
- I loved the game play and the created mobs to kill were nice
But there were some problem that you can fix.. only if were on purpose to stay like that:
- Sensors - Screws - were Visible
- Our ninja could have other color.. like Black suit only eyes to see - Like a true Ninja :P
- And if u made the controlinator invisible i think was cooler that we see our Sackboy there.
- I think if we control the hand with Right Analog things can work better.
- That wall we need jump to higher Plataform - was a bit hard ^^ i know we are ninjas with double jump and stick to wall but was a little hard to make it, put somekind of little plataform (if u want) to make it easier .

Apart of that the level is really fun :)

Thanks for the feedback :)

Kanada Ten >
I was thinking of giving the birds more health anyway, so speeding up the scrolling wouldn't be a hassle, at least for the beginning part where it was probably the slowest, huh? Did other people think the scrolling was too slow?

PTdragon >
Unfortunately, due to a bug I encountered in create mode, it is impossible for me to make any more changes to the ninja object :(

For the wall jump part, you can do more than a double jump, you can jump off the wall as many times you like. In fact, you can even "stick" to the wall and stay for any length of time simply by holding right on the analog stick. It looks silly, I know :-P What could I do to make the unlimited wall jump more apparent to the player? Maybe add another set of arrows above the first?

If u cant edit the Ninja let him be like that ^^ But u cant put controlinator invisible so we cant see sackboy?
The Jump.. let it be :) i just said was a bit hard to go up nothing tricky ^^

I wish I could make the controllinator invisible, but it's too late now -_-

Well, you're not the only one who has commented on the wall jump, so I really should do something about it. I think I'll add a second set of arrows. It seems like everybody is figuring out that there is a wall jump. They just don't realize that it's unlimited.

I queued your level. As soon as I've got time I'll play your level and leave a feedback :)

I figured out a workaround for the bug that was preventing me from updating the ninja object, so I can now hide the controllinator :)

So, I played it and I would like to give my feedback now :p

I really enjoyed the level, it was very unique and the bosses were quite cool :) And I also liked the environment though it could do with a few more stickers or decorations.
Also sometimes you get stuck and if you want to respawn you wait sometimes quite a long time in the glass box with the checkpoint.

But all in all it was a very unique and fun level with a few little mistakes :)

Thank you for your feedback.

The waiting around for the ninja to respawn is something that's been bothering me. I have no idea why it is that way or what I can do about it. My understanding of emitters is that if you have the emit frequency set at 0, and there is nothing that can block the object from being emitted, and you haven't reached the max # of objects to emit, it ought to emit as soon as it is able to. And yet....

Indeed that's very odd.
I usually put the frequency set at 0,1 but this may be a habbit out of LBP1 :p Perhaps you could try setting it at 0,1. That would be my suggestion :P

It's a fairly unique level in terms of its looks. I liked the look of the enemies and there is a good variety of enemies. My feeling is that your level would be more popular if you capitalized on the platforming aspect of being a ninja. Right now it's more of a scrolling shooter with a few platforming elements.

The scrolling feels slower than it needs to be. Ideally the player has some input to speed up the scrolling although a lot of scrolling games don't do this.

Jumping feels a little off in that it feels a little too floaty. Wall jumping is awkward. Iit would seem better to just let the ninja climb up and down without any special tricks and reserve wall jumping for doing things like evading obstacles embedded in the walls.

I agree with the suggestion that the right analog stick should be used for aiming. It's a convention for many games with that kind of machine gun attack to do so with the right analog stick. I didn't realize I only had to hold down a button for continuous fire and constantly got swamped by enemies the first time I played the level.

There are some minor issues with enemies such as birds throwing things from off-screen when you can't aim high enough to do anything about an incoming egg that appears on screen.

Quote:

---

Perhaps you could try setting it at 0,1.

---

It was a good idea but it didn't work. I'm suspecting this is another bug in the game, perhaps related to the other bug with the ninja object that I'm having to deal with.

waylindAR5:
Thanks for the feedback. Looks like there are still some common complaints that I need to consider. Some of those suggestions would require an overhaul that I'm not willing to do, but others can be changed easily. I'll probably axe the wall jumping completely next time I get around to updating. Players are unanimous in saying it's awkward.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by zabel99

It was a good idea but it didn't work. I'm suspecting this is another bug in the game, perhaps related to the other bug with the ninja object that I'm having to deal with.

---

Interesting; I'd assumed you were using tags or something to prevent the ninja spawning over enemies or instant death... Perhaps there's actually some invisible material or such that the emitter is detecting as "in the way"? Hum, I wonder if using a "Player Sensor" at the checkpoint activating the emitter, rather than auto-emitting, would make it respawn faster?

I thought about trying to ace the level, since I had gotten so much better at it by the end, but when I tried, I got axed by the first fish, like a n00b.

Good idea but still no bones. The ninja still won't respawn immediately even when the screen is basically empty. And it seems as if the longer I have spent making this level the longer the respawn times have gotten. It didn't use to be like this, grrrr.

I don't know, playing it last night, I didn't think the spawn times were bad. Never missed out on an enemy because of it or anything. Still, looks like I'll never be able to ace it.

Well, I'm glad to hear that and I value your opinion because you've played the level several times. It does still worry me though, especially if I'm right about it getting worse the longer I work on the level. I remember the "160-hour bug" from LBP1 all too well and the headaches it gave me.

I tried some tests today where I substituted a much smaller object that can't possibly have anything blocking it. Same problem, so now at least I know it's not the object itself that is causing this. Gonna post in the help forum and see if someone knows.

Hm, I think if you use the r-stick for aiming you need to use L1, 2 or 3 for jumping. It's really difficult to aim while jumping now, and that's like a huge part of the strategy for clearing the birds for the fish jump. (Actually, I jumped off the level for the first time because it assumed that I wanted to "jump down" when I was holding the l-stick down to aim - old habit - and jumped.)

And, I figured out why you shouldn't value my opinion too much on certain issues: It's because I've played the level so many times. I wasn't waiting for it to respawn because I was restarting whenever I died for the most part. Plus, I've named all the enemies, and even certain areas. This intimate zen like connection has formed between me and the level, making it hard to judge certain changes as good or bad. I mean, I hate the r-stick aiming, now, but is it because it's bad, or because it's a change? I don't know. Am I having trouble with Fat Fist Three because of a change or because I'm squinting too hard?

Yes, that is the big drawback with the new change in controls so that the right analog stick aims. Now you gotta use the thumb for both aiming and jumping, which does make jump and shoot harder. Fat Fist Three haven't changed, but they might indeed be harder if you were used to fighting them before by making small jumps while shooting. (what other names have you come up with? XD)

I dunno, I was reluctant to make this change but several players suggested it would be better. Nor do I want to change the jump button since people are used to jumping with X. I could stiffen the arm so that jumping doesn't make the arm go limp and reset your aim, but I kinda like the arm having a limpy feel.
Perhaps I could get some feedback from other players who have tried it before the change?

Btw, was the final boss fair? Now that the wall jump is gone, the only way to get back up without dying is to hop onto the punching fist and from there to the ledge, which might be a little tricky. (But if you're trying to ace the level, of course, you can take out the weak spots on the top before you jump down so that you don't have to go back up)

Well, the slow respawn problem should be completely gone now. :-) Someone who ran into the same bug when making his own level showed me a workaround for the problem.