Just received a message saying the post was undeleted, so that's working to :)
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Just received a message saying the post was undeleted, so that's working to :)
As usual, I'm late to the party.
We just can't win! :p Actually, I'm with you -the fewer notifications I get for mundane things the better. I can't say as I've ever had a post deleted even before I became a mod - I generally don't post things that would warrant deletion and I don't bother posting in doomed threads, so I don't think I've ever had a post go missing because of a thread deletion either. Maybe I have and I've just never noticed. I guess it could be frustrating to have that happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by fumetsusozo
As for complaints about our moderation habits, deletion and such, I refer you back to the first sentence of my post. There's no way to keep everybody happy. We used to get complaints all the time for not banning a site member and then once we banned him/her, we got complaints because we banned him/her. We do our best to keep things as reasonable and balanced as possible but there will always be those who don't like our idea of "reasonable." That's why we discuss every serious action we take. Almost every infraction we give out has been discussed and agreed upon by at least three of us, and even most warnings are discussed before they're given. Bannings usually happen after every single one of us has chimed in and agreed to it. There's no rule that says we have to do it that way but it just sort of works out that way. It is our hope that by doing things this way, we'll benefit from the combined wisdom of our fellow moderators and curb any rash decisions before they happen. Again, it's common that some members don't agree but unfortunately there's nothing we can do about that--you can't please everybody all the time.
Deleting posts: I'll admit it. I'm lazy. It would simply take too long to write a pm for every post we delete/edit. It's unfortunate that the deleted posts don't show--I had always assumed they did and that you'd see the little "reason for deletion" blurb we include--but I'm not willing to write a well thought out explanation and be drawn into a meaningless debate every time I delete a rageface.
I know this isn't what you want to hear, but your statement is pretty accurate except for the "sweep it under the carpet" bit. If a mod screws up, yes, we're almost certainly going to deal with it in private rather than in the open, and yes, we'll keep the outcome to ourselves. We do the same thing for all site members. If a member posts something rude, you report them, and we give them an infraction, we do NOT announce the infraction to the rest of the site or even to the person who did the reporting. To do so would only embarrass that member and possibly antagonize them, making things worse. Doing so when a mod is involved would cause us to appear divided and indeed be divided. If Aya points out in private that maybe I was a bit harsh to give a 45 day 4 point infraction (yes that happened and I ended up repealing the infraction :p) I'll be much cooler about it than if he were to post "I can't believe you silenced so-and-so for 45 days over nothing!" in an open thread. If he publicly ridiculed my modding mistake, I would be bitter with him, and that wouldn't make for a very good mod team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rustbukkit
With the new notification system in place, it seems like the issue about "why was my post deleted" will be resolved. You'll now have the opportunity to reach out to the mod who made the change and ask for clarification if need be.
Without commenting in detail on any of the arguments made here, I would like to point out that all of us mods are also regular members of the site. While we're not busy moderating, we're reading the forums and commenting just like you folks. With that in mind, we're only human and are not exempt from making mistakes or acting in poor judgment.
Should we hold ourselves to a higher standard than the average member? Sure. But that doesn't mean that we're perfect. Far from it, in fact.
Hopefully the changes CC put in will allow our moderating to be a bit more transparent, which I view as a good thing.
Say, is it supposed to PM me every time a post i report gets solved?
Because it is. :p
So if I report double posts, it PMs me when its resolved.
(As a thread tho ._? )
Does it count the report itself as a post/ thread to mods?
When you report a post, a thread is created in the mods only section of the forum. I'm guessing what you're seeing is when we lock the thread? Once we decide a matter is closed, we lock the thread so that we can easily see which matters are settled and which still need resolving.
As it was said, the solution is now in place and thank you CC for your attention on the issue. :) This will work perfectly. I'm done with this thread, so if there's nothing else to discuss, I'm requesting a close.
@Rustbukkit
Look. I don't particularly want to engage in a long discussion about this, so let me just say this...
I'd just spent 4 or 5 solid hours on moderating duties, when you come along and accuse me of "being lazy" and "not caring", which just felt like you were trying to bait me. In retrospect there was no way you could've known that, so I shouldn't have reacted the way I did.
The whole text color issue is just a little pet peeve of mine, and although there's no official site rule prohibiting it, CC has said in the past that we don't want to encourage people to use it in this way.
To be honest, none of the stuff I accused you of really bothers me that much - I just find that color it a little hard to read, particularly when it's on the QUOTE background color which is kinda similar, but maybe I just have bad eyesight.
Anyway - I hope you can forgive any transgressions on my part, and hopefully we can put this unfortunate incident behind us. :)