LittleBigPlanet of Blunders

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Originally Posted by Linque

The poll choices are indeed all negative. It's not really a poll. :)
I'll break it down for you, I think this is probably the point Elbee was trying to say as well (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong):

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There's no real "wrong" way to interpret them. If you're not comfortable with picking any of the choices, you're free to share your specific point of view in the thread. I made this thread to spark some discussion, and it would seem that it has done just that.

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Originally Posted by Linque

This game has flaws!? Lies and slander!!!!!111
- Implies that the person is not willing to accept that there in fact are flaws. This option is not about accepting a few flaws, but rather ignoring many.

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Ok I exaggerated a bit in this choice. Obviously there are people out there that think this way, but I tried to lighten it up a bit with the way it was written. I could be interpreted literally or not. I'm sure some people picked this one because of the way it was written. :P

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Originally Posted by Linque

Meh, I've got plenty of backup games, to entertain me, until they clear up this mess.
- Implies that the voter is not going to play LBP until certain things are fixed.

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This choice was picked for the players for which LBP isn't that only game that they want to play. The bugs don't bother them, since they have the option to go out and do other stuff, if they choose to do so. Therefore they don't need a fix right now.

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Originally Posted by Linque

Jury's still out. At least until they release the first major update.
- Says that the voter is not content with the current situation, but is waiting for improvement.

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I suppose it could be interpreted that way, but "jury's still out" implies that they player is indifferent until they see how MM is going to handle fixing the problems.

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Originally Posted by Linque

Forget that! It's already on it's way to GameStop for store credit.
- The voter has already given up.

I don't have it yet, so I couldn't tell you...
- The voter hasn't even bought the game.

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Obviously :p

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Originally Posted by Linque

I would've voted something along the lines of:
"The game has a few flaws, but they are being fixed with impressive speed. I love LBP! Now bring me new content to pay for!"

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Yeah I'm in that boat too. :) I loved all the goodies that came with the MGS levels. Too bad that half of what I collected didn't save.

I'm just amazed that they would release an update that causes so many problems. I'm also sad that I can't color my prize bubbles with stickers any more. Making prize bubble prizes was one of my favorite things to do in the game. :( Also, given the fact that they went on holiday for a couple weeks (deserved, I'm sure), all these problems couldn't have happened at a worse time.

I'm sure they'll get it all fixed, and then some, soon enough, but they're still not exactly smelling like roses right now.

still need to read a lot more but uhm..

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Yeah, I know the problems, but I'm not too concerned about the current bugs. I know how to avoid all of them,

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you would be the first LD ever that would be able to do so.

Im my past 10 years of experience with editors and apps,
Every editor, every application at least crashed on me 100 times.

3dsmax, ued (1.5, 2.0, 2.5, 3.0), ps, psp, illustrator, Dragon, mudbox and so on.
but some of the crashes ive seen in LBP just amaze me.

Edit,
Now that he read about the bug-problem, I wil give linque a hug!

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Originally Posted by Linque

All of you're right that commercial products shouldn't have this kind of flaws. I guess you've got me persuaded that the situation is a bit worse than I thought it was.

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Glad I got you to see what was really going on. I know I too would have been a major sceptic had it not happend to me too! When you consider the monwy we've invested in this game, with all the DLC and everything, it's certainly not acceptable to be given an update that can potentially harm all the work you've done on this program.

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Originally Posted by Linque

However, this kind of stuff is serious enough that I expect a fix within next week.

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I would certainly hope so, but I don't have the same optimism that a fix will come so quickly. Who knows how hard it will be to find the problems caused by the update. With such widespread bugs having many different manifestations I am inclined to believe we'll have to wait a little longer for a solution...

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Originally Posted by Linque

Sorry for rubbing you guys the wrong way, this is definitely way beyond reasonable.

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No need for that my friend ;) You were acting on the information you had which is the best any of us can do. And you didn't attack anyone so I don't believe you rubbed anyone in the wrong way! If anything, you helped spark a much needed debate about the current state of things! :idea:

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Originally Posted by Chaz'OSkulls

I know for sure that I'm not playing an 'unfinished game' anyway.

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Not an unfinished game no, but an unfinished patch can turn in into such a feeling. The game was fine, had it kinks before the patch, but major bugs were few and far apart. Now it's just getting ridiculous. I don't think all these patches were needed before Christmas, but obviously they wanted to treat us to something awesome. Too bad it came with a side of coal :(

Honestly, I don't care about the fact that you guys haven't seen that many bugs, or this game doesn't have as much bugs as other level design programs or whatever.

The matter comes down to this, every single patch that has came with MM, delivers a new batch of bugs with it. 1.07 being the worst.

I didn't see it as a big deal, because I had never got one, until today. I get on, and find out that my level has reverted back, "Ok no big deal, I had it published online so I could easily get it back"

I get in it, and all my layers are merged together, MAGICALLY. I was offline, and the game decided for me that I wanted two parts of my tree merged together, so when I had come back online. It had become one object, making it too complex. I tried everything from cutting only half of it away, trying to save as much as I possibly could... nothing... nothing worked... I had to completely delete the tree, about 10-15 hours of hard work, gone...

Now, is it my fault? Some of you might say " You shouldn't of had such a complex object "

No, the game shouldn't even have such a tight system for complex objects, and what's even worse is you can't fix it sometimes, you can't even cut out from the object to make it less complex, it just sits there... taunting you... because you can't do anything, forcing you to delete it...

I can understand everything, except one thing... WHY IN THE HELL DID MY LAYERS MERGE TOGETHER? I swear when I had turned off my ps3, they were two seperate parts, about 10 feet apart from each other, and when I had got back online. They were together, no one touched my ps3, nothing... It's so stupid... I've decided to stop creating until this is fixed, so I chose the second option...

Sorry for the rant. If any of you read it. :eek:

Short version: I won't play LBP, Create Mode, at least. Until they fix the bugs that shouldn't of even been there in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Whaaaaale

I can understand everything, except one thing... WHY IN THE HELL DID MY LAYERS MERGE TOGETHER? I swear when I had turned off my ps3, they were two seperate parts, about 10 feet apart from each other, and when I had got back online. They were together, no one touched my ps3, nothing... It's so stupid... I've decided to stop creating until this is fixed, so I chose the second option...

Sorry for the rant. If any of you read it. :eek:

Short version: I won't play LBP, Create Mode, at least. Until they fix the bugs that shouldn't of even been there in the first place.

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I read it, and I feel for you man. I've been on the no-create-till-fix "strike" for a little while now, loosing 60 hours of work with the possibility of it happening again at any moment'll do that.

I'm curious though, this seems to be something totally new... What do you meen your layers "merged tgother"? I need a bit more explanation, I didn't understand what happened from what you wrote. Did things get glued, did one lair become part of another somehow?? I'm really curious about this...

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Originally Posted by KAPBAM

I read it, and I feel for you man. I've been on the no-create-till-fix "strike" for a little while now, loosing 60 hours of work with the possibility of it happening again at any moment'll do that.

I'm curious though, this seems to be something totally new... What do you meen your layers "merged tgother"? I need a bit more explanation, I didn't understand what happened from what you wrote. Did things get glued, did one lair become part of another somehow?? I'm really curious about this...

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Ok, here is the story exactly...

I had one huge part of a tree, had a bunch of bubbles glued, you would float down a leaf, collecting bubbles as you go down. Then you would go through a bunch of paths, each designated with it's own color, represented by a LED light.

I had hit the lights, and the "too complex" pop up came up.

I had the chance to rewind, and I made it seperate, the leaf falling part seperated from the platforms.

I clicked both layers, and I can confirm that they had no contact with each other.

Then, I took all my lights, about 30 or so. Which were glued to the second part of the tree, I took them out. And cut out a 4 x 4 square and then inserted a 4x4 square inside that cut-out. Then glued the light on that 4x4 square, which essentially, made it so each light was glued to it's own square. Not to the giant second part of the tree.

I checked to make sure everything was in contact, it was beatiful. About 10 hours of work. Saved, published locked, waited till the icon was gone, and quit the game, then turned off my ps3.

This was yesterday, I get on today. Copy the published level to My Moon since the moon level had reverted all those 10 hours ( made sure to avoid this )

So, I copy it to my Moon. Click edit and enter the level, only to find that those two parts had merged together. What I mean by this, I don't know it's a bit hard to understand, the game had completely gone insane or something, it basically looked like I had never cut between the two parts ever. Like the game totally merged the layers together, and all those 4x4 squares for each light, had become whole with the second part of the tree. When I saw this, I decided to stop playing LBP's Create Mode. It's just something too stupid to handle, when it should of never happened in the first place.

Ok thanks for explaining. I get what happened now. I don't get how in the heck it could have happened though! It's like I was saying. This bug seems to affect people differently, with unecpected and sometimes (like in this case) crazy side effects... And like the "stuff turning red for a while" effect which isn't too serious (because it's been reported it eventually goes away) but definitely crazy!

I've noticed that the game can lag quite a bit when swapping between create mode and play mode when playtesting stuff, up to several noticable seconds.

It then snaps back afterwards. I tend to leave it do it's thing or press the PS button, that seems to snap it back a little bit faster. It's like the hard drive falls asleep or something.

I'm guessing that the interaction with the servers in create mode is being seriously, seriously overtaxed. Given the new players with Christmas, and the suspicion that the right people are on holidays, this might be what's causing the bug. The game just became far too popular and the servers too taxed, with no one there to fix it.

That's my theory about save files corrupting. Mind you, it's only a theory.

By the way, Linque summed up well my feelings about what was behind the poll. Thank you for explaining them well with more words.

It's just I was more aware of the bug problems. If people still are not aware of them somehow, have a look at the big bug list in the suggestion section, and check out all the threads under the "save file corrupting" section. :(

I've decided to create offline, it's so much easier... My god, I was so used to the rewind screen freezing up for a minute, it never happens offline. I suggest everyone create offline, like seriously...