what should mm put in LBP3

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Originally Posted by vlekje

Hello all,
if mm would make a LBP3,
what do you guys think they should put in it?

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Well for the time being I know MM isn't planning on making an LBP3 , but I would like to see some user controls (block button), a recommend level to friend tool (I used to tell my friends if I nay it I don't recommend it and yay I do but now I actually have to right in comment box)
I want the cool wall to be seperated into catagories and seperate all levels so it is easier to find the levels you like (make it so the levels can only be put into 1 collum), and a daily tested randomised collum (discluded copies, glitches and blank levels) for those who want to try something new and be surprised. they are the network updates I would like to see if they made a sequel or otherwise put into to LBP3

But I would like an explosive sensors, water blocks, light sensor, gravity sensor, more male hair, more costumes that aren't cute for when you want to make a sack villian, also designed sack people avartars (allowing for more DCL options), Also an option that allows sackboys to swim. another thing is have an in game tech support centre so you can report bugs easier. change it from do you like to recommend instead of yay or nothing (I know I mentioned that). I also think that they should you too have finishing points to be 1 layer to 3 layers thick. I could go on and on, I think though in LBP2 instead of having this 1 guy pick new MM picks every friday, instead they should give him his own picks collum or put him incharge of filtering the cool wall, as lately some MM picks are nowhere as good as hanzel or gretalbot, more sad music instromentals. a TV objects that shows scenes captured from cameras like they do in the main story. fix that darn bug with bolts and string as they both now jump when making a bridge and bolts especially keep moving from where they are placed and bouncing back up, I have seen it on so many levels and MM does nothign about it.

What about having sequencers which can save songs from your PS3 playlists to ad to levels like if you want to make a music video, you won't hear awful recordings of songs.

and a must have is a box when you click good grief so you can explain why you are reporting the level or seen, I think stuff like when people write copy and paste on the discription should be put as a bannable offence as incourages Plagiarism, which is actually illegal but not in lbp community

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Originally Posted by Eanikran

I like that currency idea. you could set prizes for spending it in your levels with a currency sensor or set prize bubbles to 'normal mode' which would be like it is now.
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well in levels you can use point bubbles as a form of currency, it has been done in many levels, I am not quite sure if we are on about the same idea, but I have heard someone make pass an idea about using point bubbles as currency and buy the objects in the end of the level in story mode (something similiar to cod points in black ops) personually I am completely against this idea as I find finding the objects really fun and gives the game some needed replayablity,

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Originally Posted by vlekje

Hello all,
if mm would make a LBP3,
what do you guys think they should put in it?

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Well for the time being I know MM isn't planning on making an LBP3 , but I would like to see some user controls (block button), a recommend level to friend tool (I used to tell my friends if I nay it I don't recommend it and yay I do but now I actually have to right in comment box)
I want the cool wall to be seperated into catagories and seperate all levels so it is easier to find the levels you like (make it so the levels can only be put into 1 collum), and a daily tested randomised collum (discluded copies, glitches and blank levels) for those who want to try something new and be surprised. they are the network updates I would like to see if they made a sequel or otherwise put into to LBP3

But I would like an explosive sensors, water blocks, light sensor, gravity sensor, more male hair, more costumes that aren't cute for when you want to make a sack villian, also designed sack people avartars (allowing for more DCL options), Also an option that allows sackboys to swim. another thing is have an in game tech support centre so you can report bugs easier. change it from do you like to recommend instead of yay or nothing (I know I mentioned that). I also think that they should you too have finishing points to be 1 layer to 3 layers thick. I could go on and on, I think though in LBP2 instead of having this 1 guy pick new MM picks every friday, instead they should give him his own picks collum or put him incharge of filtering the cool wall, as lately some MM picks are nowhere as good as hanzel or gretalbot, more sad music instromentals. a TV objects that shows scenes captured from cameras like they do in the main story. fix that darn bug with bolts and string as they both now jump when making a bridge and bolts especially keep moving from where they are placed and bouncing back up, I have seen it on so many levels and MM does nothign about it.

What about having sequencers which can save songs from your PS3 playlists to ad to levels like if you want to make a music video, you won't hear awful recordings of songs.

and a must have is a box when you click good grief so you can explain why you are reporting the level or seen, I think stuff like when people write copy and paste on the discription should be put as a bannable offence as incourages Plagiarism, which is actually illegal but not in lbp community

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Originally Posted by Jonarrthan

well in levels you can use point bubbles as a form of currency, it has been done in many levels, I am not quite sure if we are on about the same idea, but I have heard someone make pass an idea about using point bubbles as currency and buy the objects in the end of the level in story mode (something similiar to cod points in black ops) personually I am completely against this idea as I find finding the objects really fun and gives the game some needed replayablity,

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Well yeah, I love the finding prizes concept. I didn't mean replacing that, I meant having it as an addition. Like you can set prize bubbles for costing or not, etc. It'd be kinda cool for RPG's and other stuff. only problem I see is people making levels that just give you 1,000,000 every time you grab a sensor.

For the music sequencer, why not have vocals as an instrument? That way you can make songs, or at least gibberish opera that sounds nice.
And please, make more reliable connecters, the ones we have are too glitchy.
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Originally Posted by Eanikran

Well yeah, I love the finding prizes concept. I didn't mean replacing that, I meant having it as an addition. Like you can set prize bubbles for costing or not, etc. It'd be kinda cool for RPG's and other stuff. only problem I see is people making levels that just give you 1,000,000 every time you grab a sensor.

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You could make the points stay with you in only one level.
They need a "save" tool for levels. So you can either pick up off where you were or teleport to the nearest activted checkpoint.

http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/sho...OULD-LOOK-LIKE

was posted five months before this.

Here are a few. These suggestions were for an actual thread I made for an expansion of LBP2, but it seems it would fit into LBP3 fine:


1. Hot and Cold. Hotness or coldness would be determined by a global and material temperature tweaker. Sackboy could freeze if it gets too cold or touches a too cold object (like ice hazard, except with any material with the tweaker set to low) or if it gets too hot or he touches a hot object (like fire, but without the fire) If it gets colder or hotter, sackboy will shiver or fan himself, and other actions
2. Dynamic Water, water vapor, and ice- Dynamic water can make rivers, lakes, streams-water which can move to gravity, and can be affected by wind. It could evaporate and condense, and freeze depending on the temperature. 3 types: dynamic, global, disintegrating. Dynamic water flows downwards, can be tweaked to stay in one layer or multiple layers, and can evaporate, condense, and freeze. It acts like normal water in real life. If you put some in a glass, and then put in more, the level rises. Global is just like the water we have now, but it can evaporate, condense, and freeze as well. Disintegrating is like the water projectile. It can evaporate and freeze, but it is destroyed when it hits something. If more water evaporates, the global humidity rises. Global humidity can be tweaked by a tweaker. You can place dynamic water and disintegrating, as well as ice, but not global water or water vapor.
3. Dynamic Air-global or as a material. If the humidity is high enough, the global air gets steamy like a rain forest and your sackboy makes squishy sounds as he walks. Air material can be placed, and you can set wind and humidity for it. Wind can also be global via a tweaker.
4. Sackbots being able to swim and withstand water. You all know it people. The possibilities will be endless.
5. Multiple voice actors speaking at the same time to create stuff like crowd effects, or singing choirs. The possibilities are endless, like the sackbots. I know quality with microphones isn't so hot, but maybe Media Molecule could release a special microphone which specializes with clarifying voice quality. I'm not sure if that's possible, though.
6. More complex logic tools, for example, an Arithmetic Logic Unit that can multiply and divide, to make easier CPU's, AI, etc. Signals could have numeric values on them, which can be a value from -x to x, including decimals to x places. The arithmetic logic unit would take two signals and perform an operation on their numeric values, then output a normal signal with the answer as a numeric value. We could have coders to transform inputs into numeric values, and decoders to transform them back into signals. A coder will have x inputs, with input 1 being ones, input 2 being tens, and so on. An analog signal of 2% to input two will mean twenty, so if you have analog signals of 3% to input 3, 6% to input 2, and 7% to input one, you get a numeric value 367. There will be different inputs for decimals. Decoders would just work the exact opposite, so if you feed numeric value 367 into a decoder, you get 3% from output 3, 6% from output 2, and 7% from output one.
7.More instuments in the music sequencer, such as more types of brass instruments (they don't all sound the same-so just "brass" isn't that great), flutes, oboes, more sequencer voice types, glass harmonicas (that might sound silly, but the glass harmonica has an amazing sound which is great for video game music), etc., where we could tweak stuff like intonation and fullness, as well as individual tweaks for individual instruments. People could actually make symphonies and concertos, and even use musical instuments with voice to create operas and musicals
8. Everything in LBP Vita that does not involve touchscreens: for example, the Memoriser, invisible material, etc
9. Ooze material. A material sort of like ooze. You can tweak it's elasticity and solidness; elasticity determining how stretchy it is and solidness determining how non-liquid it is. When both are zero, the ooze will act like tar, and you can use it with the temperature tweaker to simulate lava. When both are full, the material will be like very strong rubber. You can use it for quicksand, slingshots, slime, jell-o, elastic, etc.
10. Sand and dust. I know you can make blowing and billowing dust with the smoke machine, but I'd like better dust. Dust will be placed as a material, or there will be a "dustiness" tweaker, which tweaks how much dust objects have on them. Dust can be blown around by wind, and can gather to form dust balls and separate. Sand will just be sand. It is affected by water to form wet sand, which is a different color and heavier (might form quicksand). It can be blown around by wind.
11. Being able to create in the back and front layers without need for the glitch. You could have the cursor do something when it's in the "3D" layers, like change shape, so people will know whether or not they are creating in the 3D or normal layers. Sackboy still can't move into these layers.
12. More flexible cameras. The cameras always look in at the front, but you can make them look in from the side, the back, the top, the bottom, etc. Seeing in from the back let's you see sackboy's back, and can make creating in the front layers more useful. You can even make the cameras rotate around one or two characters like in the movies, or make a Matrix effect. Okay, there are better uses.
13. Theck and thack layers without need for the glitch.
14. More actions for sackbots: kicking, sitting down, bending over, twirling around etc. You could actually have a menu where all a sackbot's joints are shown, and you can twist them around and create new actions which you can save, like if you want a sackbot to scratch its head, you could move the neck joint and the arm joints to make a head scratching motion, then save it There would also be a sort of rotation joint, which determines where the sackbot faces, say, when you want it to spin.
15. The scaler, which was somebody else's idea, but it'll be good here. It lets you make objects bigger or smaller.
16. Animation tools, again, somebody else's idea, but it lets you draw or scan images into LBP, which you can put into a sequence to make animation. It's sort of like Flipnotes.
17. Much bigger create mode, if you want to make open world environments, as well as a highly increased thermometer.
There could be a lot more ideas, and I'll edit this as more good ideas come in.

I think some of the things I suggested might have been suggested by others earlier, but I have so many it's a little hard to keep track.

A 3d cam with rotation

I wouldn't want an improved LBP2. I'd like something new, something innovative like the LBP

I would also like the ability to download levels

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Originally Posted by Teepeenocks

I would also like the ability to download levels

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This already in Vita so it's probably gonna be in LBP 3 (assuming they'll make it).

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Originally Posted by zouz_

This already in Vita so it's probably gonna be in LBP 3 (assuming they'll make it).

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but yet wasn't it in lbp psp and not in lbp2? This feature is primarily due to those games being on a handheld... where an internet connection may not be possible.

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Originally Posted by Dav1d0

but yet wasn't it in lbp psp and not in lbp2? This feature is primarily due to those games being on a handheld... where an internet connection may not be possible.

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it would be nice if they put it on PS3 tho. i'd download all my top fave levels so i could play them anytime i wanted, ETC. :) *mew

i'd like to see improved jumping, it's slow and inconsistent at times.

My wishlist:

Gilded/industrial age materials. Including 150yo worn brick, cast iron, riveted steel, wood pavers, sheet metal made from smaller sheets folded together at the seams, oxidized copper, square bolt ends and nuts, steam pipe, smith-hammered nails, etc...

If all of this already exists, please point out the dlc I need to buy.

I also wish you could break down each thick layer either fully or partially into two half thick layers. And the same goes for the thin layers.

The ability to over-ride the in game music with the music I've loaded on my HDD. I don't mean make levels with unlicensed music, I mean play any level while listening to my playlists. Or while I'm creating, I can listen to whatever I want, the same as a construction worker who brings his radio to work.

The ability to create living creatures like animals, aliens or monsters, with limbs that work kinda like sackpeople limbs. Or not, like having multiple ways limbs work, like tentacles or paws, to create non sackinoid creatures.

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Originally Posted by PPp_Killer

i'd like to see improved jumping, it's slow and inconsistent at times.

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jumping is like the main thing on lbp.

i would like to see the static an dymanic in lbp (from psp)

Ice hazard !

One thing I would like to see a big improvement with is Physics. I built a Newton's cradle to test this out the other day and it didn't come close to the cause and effect you would expect. It gives a brilliant impression of great physics, but it's not as accurate as one would believe. In fact, I think this is the MOST important improvement they could make.

Last year, I made a thread for my opinions on what MM should add. Most of those would be great for a LBP3. I update it a bit, I eventually stopped thinking of ideas. Here are some of my favorite ideas ( Bold indicating me explaining it better):

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Originally Posted by TheUltraDeino

~Fan: Emits wind Suppose to be for pushing Sackboy around, can tweak the wind strengh
~Teleporters: Place a color from the 6 basic tag colors (or 8, can't remember) and the labels, of course on two teleporters, and watch sackboy go through 'em!
~Water Material: Basicly the properties of water stuffed into a material You can tweak it making it static or dynamic, so you can have random floating water or not.
~Leathel Water: Ogod, i had this idea for a while, lemme put it in this way: set it to "lava" or "coffee" will have water act like its leathelized with fire, put it as "swampy" or "quicksand" will force your sackboy to jump 'til its death, selecting "toaster in the water" will treat it as electrified, and so on.
~Ice: another Idea i had, its still the same water, but frozen
(Tweakable water would be good, too =P)
~3D/2D Tweaker: Switches gameplay from 2D to 3D or vise-versa
~Animations: We have them for sackbots, why not sackboy?
~Furniture: stuff you can interact with in the pod, like a chair that if you press triangle, your sackboy sits on it, can also work on levels too

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If they make a LBP3, it most likely will be on the next generation of Playstation seeing as Media Molecule is working on a brand new IP for the PS3 at the moment and said they were stepping away from sackboy.

The bold direction into a 3D space with LBPKarting will open the drawing board for a 3D LittleBigPlanet adventure. So if anything, they'll at least talk about taking Sackboy into the 3D realm. Though I personally would rather stick to the charm of the 2D world since that's why I liked LBP so much to begin with.

Hopefully they'll do this if they're doing the same with LBPK and LBP Vita--Cross Costume Accessability. I'm not just talking about those games, but the Prehistoric Moves costumes, too.

Seeing as how the Plasma hazard came into being in LBP2, I would like to see another new hazard--but I'm uncertain as to what it should be.

Weather conditions would be very welcomed indeed--such as wind, rain, snow, etc.

Other than these, there really isn't anything else I would rather see. :)

Guys, I was in the toilet when this great idea came up (as usual, because I ponder about all sorts of matters in there). Good thing I was alone at home or else I'd have to explain why I yelled Eureka.
Why not put a material tweaker on an invisible hologram and put "Bouncy" on 1% something around that. That way the hologram will somehow gain some physical properties.

You can set it to affect everything or only sackboy (impact sensor with include touching on -- AND gate -- impact sensor with include touching set 'off' and inverted output) . Save this and emit it with a velocity =/= 0 and tad-ah. That's making wind right there.

Oh bathroom, you are truly my muse.

Feel free to try it, I might not have the time now to do so myself. But if it works, I'm going to patent it.

Back to the topic, I would like better physics as GribbleGrunger said, and temperature. REAL TEMPERATURE NOT THE LEVEL FULL THERMO THINGY. WHY AM I SHOUTING AGAIN ? Sorry, got carried away there.
I might have said these before but we need something to measure lengths, like so sort of ruler tool to determine the lengths of our creation. In cosmos length units of course.

If there ever is a LBP 3, I would like to see actual gameplay imrprovements to things like jumping and physics that have been mentioned. Not just a bloated game that's loads of new content masked with better visuals.

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Originally Posted by zouz_

Oh bathroom, you are truly my muse.

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Going to the bathroom truly is an inspirational experience.

Not to rain on this parade, but hasen't MM all but said they won't be making an LBP3? If anyone makes it, it'll be someone else.

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Originally Posted by SackBoy98

Ice hazard !

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I believe this was either in the LBP1 beta, or the first edition. But, It was removed in the first patch due to being horrendously glitchy.

All you would need are some generic death animations so that we can make our own hazards. Falling over for being shot, something hitting you or slipping on ice. Staggering for walking through gas, tripping over hazards or getting drunk (cutscenes). We should also have access to ALL of the animations that are already available so that we can use them for our own purposes. It should also be possible to turn off the sound effects that go with them so that we can add our own. Take off the sound effect from shock for instance and you suddenly have an animation for a startled sackboy in cutscenes.

A "Material changer tweaker"
Put it on something and tweak it to some material,When activated it will change the material of the material it's placed on to what you selected.

Ok I thought long about this one and behind some features I now have the answer. The answer I saw in seeing the community episode: ''Digital Estate Planning''

Watch this so you know what I am talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxrtR6CsFmQ ( I didnt film it)

Man its so fantastic I first wanted LBP to be 3D, but after seeing this. The game can improve so much more on many levels!

Just imagine:

Npc with answer options, 8 Bit style, multiple layers, entering rooms and be seperated from friends. Acrossing the map while friends are behind and not visible but still alive.

THIS is what I want LBP to be.

Hmm... More cinematic capabilities. Frame rate selection, 24, 30, 60, and even 120 to 1000fps, for slow motion without having to cause all of the physics with movers. Cine imaging, with filters for different effects, similar to the color correction tool within the global options, but less drastic, with different effects.

Oh BTW, LBP3 will have to be 3D, with 2D capabilities. In fact, LBP3 should have 4D options. :p

First all... everything what is good in Vita and Karting

-AWWWWWW YEAH! Memeorizer BAYBE!
-HUD editing (you guys not ever realize but imo this is biggest logic feature in Karting!), but with some fixes like unifying trigger data so you don't need to pick kind HUD object in hud tweaker
-Logic attached do sackboy via checkpoint Karting style, no more player sackbots, no more exuses to not make level multiplayer friendly
-Vita's notes upgreads
-Vita's richer analog signal processing

Also my stuff:

-Any color and Any label tweak options for tag sensors which would allow to avoif OR gateing lot of tags
-Time/Date/Day of Week "sensor" would be great addition to Memorizer
-Triggable volume switching in music sequencer as original music objects do (like showed in LBP2 music sequencer trailer... wait what?)
-Player specific tweaks for follower (or else it gonna be useless in multiplayer as it was), score sensor, controllinator (for auto enter and "nearest player" control mode), put it everywhere where that freaking pain to control signal ownership is used!

Thats all i got on top a head... in general i wouldl ike to see more balls on implementing features in the way that it gives full control on your level and logic and use of full game assets..... like Karting do, thats biggest thing i love about Karting.

Pardon me for perhaps going off topic, but why aren't they making a third game? It's a successful franchise, critically accalimed, with a rabid fanbase. By far has the most replay value out of any game on the PS3.

What exactly is stopping a sequel? I just don't understand.
I mean, are they stopping it COMPLETELY? Or will they give us a new game on the PS4?

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Pardon me for perhaps going off topic, but why aren't they making a third game? It's a successful franchise, critically accalimed, with a rabid fanbase. By far has the most replay value out of any game on the PS3.

What exactly is stopping a sequel? I just don't understand.
I mean, are they stopping it COMPLETELY? Or will they give us a new game on the PS4?

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There's no call for a third game on PS3.
There'll no doubt be an LBP on the PS4, however. Better hardware, plus a new platform to entice people onto is more than enough reason to warrant a new game.

Also, you said the game has the most replay value out of any PS3 game. If that is the case, why would you be so eager for a sequel so soon after LBP2? LBP2's only been out for nearly 2 years.

-Also, I think they should put up to 16 (or 8) players with local splitscreen. That way you have better grounds for multiplayer games, and versus.

-A HUD system that is fully customizable, with a layer that can be used for displays (like holding a flashlight, or weapon) which can be used for first person capabilities and can be viewable by itself by each player.

-More text options, and a better sticker creator than Move Paint.

I'll edit this one with more idea's when I get them.

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-A material tweaker, allows ANY physical object to have the properties of another object/material, and also is able to change the objects properties, like jell-O-ness, ceramic, baseball, etc. As well as being able to turn a material (mid-game) into another material.

-ALL of the PS Vita stuff in it, and then some.

I do wish there were a few more musical options, like adding a midi keyboard interface, to hook up... let's say a M-AUDIO usb keyboard, giving an easier more traditional way to write the score/music rather than the way we have now, would also be nice.

The ability to turn sackbots around without that horribly clunky controllinator forcing them into sitting.

The one thing I'd like for them to have redone in every LBP was make the movement less floaty, and perhaps less slidey.

If there's a future LBP, I rather prefer they don't change anything on the physics, since it would help make LBP1 and LBP2 levels still playable.

Improved Physics. Create a bunch of metal pieces mid air then drop them on the ground on top of each other. Why do some bounce? Metal does not bounce. The physics can stand to be improved alot.

Ability to adjust the mass of materials. If I want to make a small piece of metal weigh as much as a piece 1000x it's size let me do that. If I want to make lightweight metal let me do that.

Official "3D" support in the level editor. Support the design of the background and foreground of our levels with materials. A generic background simply isn't good enough most of the time.

Allow at least 10x more complexity / Thermometer. Far too many times complexity errors give me those nasty exclamation points or the thermometer fills up quickly after adding a few complex objects. Right now we can build small towns, villages. I want the ability to build a small city without the thermometer filling up.

Up to 10x bigger maps to work with

Up to 20 layers instead of 3. This is done to give top down levels more depth, or if side scrollers see the need to include more then three layers.

Ability to change the direction of gravity. This way the sackboy can walk and jump "sideways" which would look normal for a top down level.

Complete Camera freedom. No more limitations. Let us alter the angle as much as we want to view the action from any angle or zoom level. No more limitations.

3rd Person Camera View. Basically a camera view thats always looking ahead of whatever its attached to. For example if I spun around in a circle the camera should spin as well.

Official Individual Camera view support for online multiplayer so everyone doesnt have to share the same camera and screen all the time.

Dynamic Water. Not just oceans. Water should be a dynamic fluid that can be contained or allowed to free flow over and around objects.

Theres more but thats all I have the time for.

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First all... everything what is good in Vita and Karting

Thats all i got on top a head... in general i wouldl ike to see more balls on implementing features in the way that it gives full control on your level and logic and use of full game assets..... like Karting do, thats biggest thing i love about Karting.

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Strange. I thought LBP Karting's create mode was absolutely terrible. In fact, if that game caught fire then I wouldn't even waste my pee on putting it out.