what should mm put in LBP3

I wish you could make the circuit boards of microchips visible in play mode. I'm not saying you'd be able to edit someone's logic while playing their level, but if someone made a tutorial level on how to make something, this would come in handy. The tweaks would probably be:

-Current state: open/closed
-Allow open in play mode: yes/no
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Visible: yes/no

Then it would have an input port (maybe on the top) to send a signal to open or close it.
Like I said, this would be good for tutorial levels, but maybe others will use it in another way.

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Originally Posted by fumetsusozo

Some of us like me don't like 3D roaming gameplay and do not want to see LBP full even more of it. I got LBP because it was a 2.5D platformer. not for 3D. and also I think LBPK is a good example of why exactly LBP3 should not have 3D. ;P

As I personally dislike LBPK. Well it's everything that I dislike in a game myself. car racing & 3D roaming. :P *mew

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Well the levels that you make in LBPK doesn't have to be related to racing. You can make something in LBPK completely different. But I do think that the create mode in LBP2 is much more easier to use and this is why I tend to focus on making LBP2 levels. The 3D world of LBPK is good because it opens up opportunities that probably weren't possible in LBP2 but if you don't like it then that's fine. You also have 3D cameras but you're pretty much limited to the 3 layers available in LBP2 unless you are really good with the 3D layer glitch however you will still be limited in what you can do.

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Originally Posted by Ristar

I really like this thread, glad I stumbled into it. Some pretty good ideas floating around in here. LBP's been one of the few franchises this gen that truly excites me, so the mere thought of a next-gen sequel already sparks my imagination.
Since I'm not good with words, I sketched out some concepts of things I'd personally like to see in a possible big-budget sequel :D
I've always been much more invested in the "Play" side of the LBP equation, so I mostly just focused on that here

The pics are stupidly LONG, so I'll just put them behind spoiler tags...

Spoiler - New moves for Sackboy!

http://i.imgur.com/WSPJE.jpg

Spoiler -  Expanded Puppeteering system

http://i.imgur.com/hRp7W.jpg

Spoiler - Power-Ups!

http://i.imgur.com/wcovR.jpg

Pros/cons? I might do more later if I think of anything. Maybe some Create Mode stuff.

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I would love to see some of this stuff.However I would disagree with r1 and l1. It just reminds me of rayman origins and also the r1 would make the grabinators useless.sliding I guess it would be nice. Throwing other players is already there in lbp2, again making the grabinators useless.
The puppeteering would be cool on lbp. It already exist in lbp psp but still would be cool on the others. The rest would be awesome!

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Originally Posted by Ristar

I really like this thread, glad I stumbled into it. Some pretty good ideas floating around in here. LBP's been one of the few franchises this gen that truly excites me, so the mere thought of a next-gen sequel already sparks my imagination.
Since I'm not good with words, I sketched out some concepts of things I'd personally like to see in a possible big-budget sequel :D
I've always been much more invested in the "Play" side of the LBP equation, so I mostly just focused on that here

The pics are stupidly LONG, so I'll just put them behind spoiler tags...

[SPOILER=New moves for Sackboy!]http://i.imgur.com/WSPJE.jpg

Pros/cons? I might do more later if I think of anything. Maybe some Create Mode stuff.

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I think at least half of those things are already possible in LBP2, but it would be nice having these things as standard for sackboy. But I will disagree with R1 lifting grabbable objects above your head because that would mean that the grabinators would have no purpose. Other then that I like everything else :) !

I don't think LBP should move to 3D. They did that in LBPK and Create Mode was just confusing - They messed about with the controls so that many LBPers like myself ended up rewinding when trying to change the size of an object, or changing the size of an object while trying to rewind.

If they could sort out the controls for a 3D normal LBP I might be okay with that, but I don't really see the point in it. LBP started off as 2.5D, and I think it always works best on that frontier. Maybe add 'Background Layers', that you could place objects, materials, stickers and decorations in, but not sackbots or sackpeople.

Also, why not make it so that sackboy himself has a microchip? (Like a sackbot, but for sackboy. You could open it up in create mode by pressing L1) That way, you could make him talk (mouth moving, with a magic mouth) or do awesome actions without worrying about sackbot respawning, or using sackbots, for that manner. Give him sounds, even, or maybe change his animation style. It could be different for different players - Player 1 has Avalon animation style, can roll, and Player 2 can ledge-climb and use Victoria's animation style.

(Come on, who hasn't ever wished their sackboy could do the story character animations?)

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Originally Posted by Protoraptor

I don't think LBP should move to 3D. They did that in LBPK and Create Mode was just confusing - They messed about with the controls so that many LBPers like myself ended up rewinding when trying to change the size of an object, or changing the size of an object while trying to rewind.

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It take a little getting used to, but once you get the hang of it you will be okay at create mode in LBPK. I will agree that they have made the Create Mode feel really different; almost too different. But it's because UFG messed around with the controls too much, while if Mm was solely responsible for LBPK, then I believe that they would have kept the controls as familiar and natural as possible.

I think people should have an open mind about 3D, didn't like Karting? That's an opinion, and if create mode was done improperly, that doesn't mean it'll be the same for another 3D LBP. 3D roaming isn't your thing? It's the majority of gamers' thing and again, just an opinion. There's not much point in trying to convince other's to be as against an idea as you are. Personally I'd like them to give it a shot, it wouldn't hurt to see how it turns out.

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Originally Posted by Ironface

I think people should have an open mind about 3D, didn't like Karting? That's an opinion, and if create mode was done improperly, that doesn't mean it'll be the same for another 3D LBP. 3D roaming isn't your thing? It's the majority of gamers' thing and again, just an opinion. There's not much point in trying to convince other's to be as against an idea as you are. Personally I'd like them to give it a shot, it wouldn't hurt to see how it turns out.

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I'm not really against the idea, or trying to convince others to dislike it, I just think LBP works best on the 2.5D frontier.

I just hope that whatever Media Molecule has been hiding for so long is something twice as good as LBP has ever been.

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Originally Posted by Protoraptor

I'm not really against the idea, or trying to convince others to dislike it, I just think LBP works best on the 2.5D frontier.

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It's all good, that wasn't aimed at anyone in particular, just people who oppose ideas with potential, or things others can really appreciate.

I really like the colour filters in LBP2, I think LBP3 should have a lot more.

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Originally Posted by Ironface

I think people should have an open mind about 3D, didn't like Karting? That's an opinion, and if create mode was done improperly, that doesn't mean it'll be the same for another 3D LBP. 3D roaming isn't your thing? It's the majority of gamers' thing and again, just an opinion. There's not much point in trying to convince other's to be as against an idea as you are. Personally I'd like them to give it a shot, it wouldn't hurt to see how it turns out.

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I will agree with all of the opinions that you have made here. I do like LBPK though, but I just feel that it could have been better and in my opinion I find it a little bit disappointing. You can't really blame Mm for the awkward create mode because UFG did most of the work for them but if there's going to be another LBP game that is 3D, then I can only hope that Mm will get it right and UFG doesn't build create mode for them.

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Originally Posted by Protoraptor

I'm not really against the idea, or trying to convince others to dislike it, I just think LBP works best on the 2.5D frontier.

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Personally I also think that 2.5D suits LBP better but if LBP is a 3D game then there are much more possibilities open to creators, and that is what LBP pretty much is about when it comes to creating.

When I dish out these features, I'm Implying that LBP3 is for newer technology, since LBP2 is far from dead, but the PS3 is very close.

Full 3-D (Done right): LBPK's 3D level editor was, in my opinion, a great start, but there's still a long way to go. They just need to redo the enitre grid alignment system, give more LBP-like controls, and let people have all of the logic, not just some.

Bigger Levels: I was thinking this could actually be a part of a redistribution of LBP2 for newer technology, along with 60 FPS, more stuff on screen at once, and a less sensitive thermometer. Everything else should be left the same, INCLUDING graphics.

Making your own background: Implying that the 3D create tool has already been made, you can make backgrounds for all of your 2D levels using the 3D create tools.

Less DLC, More Bug Fixes!: Plain and simple. I rather have less not glitchy stuff than have more glitchy stuff.

Better music sequencer instruments: The Instruments in LBP2 were nice, but they all sounded like they came from a keyboard from the 80s. How about some newer sounding instruments. Oh and bass, yum! Let's not forget to put in the dynamic music sequencer feature like last time (watch the commercial to see what I mean).

Standalone Executables: What if there was a little extra option on the XMB that let you download standalone games from the community for FREE? What if you could use the level editor and turn your level or set of levels into a full game on its own? Freaky stuff!...

More layers: When using the 2D mode, you'll initially be able to select how many layers you want, from a completly flat 2D plane, to a super open 50 layers.

That's all I can think of for right now, but I'm sure to think of more in the future.

I don't think it would be a bad thing if LBP3 was made, and made into 3D. Sure, some won't want it, but if MM (or whoever) continues to update and provide LBP2 with new DLC, it'd be kind of like the best of both worlds wouldn't it?

For LBP3 (if it's 2D) or LBP2 DLC, I'd love to see a Change Material Tweaker (pretty sure I read that previously, but not 100% sure). Once activated, it would turn whatever single piece it's on into a different kind of material. So say you have some sponge you need to push into place, once it's there, it becomes stone so it can't be moved again and maybe blends into the rest of the environment (assuming the rest is also stone).

Sackbots that can swim and use the grapling hook, even if it only works when a player is controlling them.

Ability to have the Worm Hole work for everybody, but allow them to go one at a time (like "Require All Players? Yes/No).

The Vita's option for "Independent Camera Mode". Obviously the resulting level would not be playable locally, but it'd be nice to have that option...

The Memorizer of course.

Ability to add a label to Controlinators (the Remote Control option).

I know there's a lot of other things I've thought of over my hours in create mode, but I can't remember now lol.

Oh yeah! Something I thought of is to allow us to create our own actual tutorials! The end result would be just like the in game ones, except maybe no video footage. We get to choose what materials, objects and tools are in the popit, and we put together how to make something specific.

Mm / Tarsier / Double Eleven should Keep the game 2.5D, but allow for more camera control, like being able to rotate the camera behind an object, to allow for 360-degree '3D' cameras. (or also for seeing what's on the other side of a level :boo: )

Another thing I'd like to see is a 'Sticker / Decoration Tweaker', where you can select a decoration or sticker. When activated, the sticker / decoration will be applied to the object. This would make sprite animation much easier.

I also have an idea for a 'Decorizer', which will turn anything you build into a decoration. Useful for making '3D' games.

Also, being able to officially put objects in the extra layers won't hurt the game.

Great idea about 360 degree 3D cameras, but technically LBP would still be 2.5D because you are still limited to the 3 layers (assuming the 3 layers are still there in the next LBP game). Also, the 'Decorizer' is also a good idea but the decorations probably wouldn't look as nice as 'real' ones because you would be limited to the 3 layers in the game. Extra layers probably would be a good idea too :) .

-All the new features on LBP Ps Vita
-Double the layers or infinite layers
-Z-Axis rotation
-Decoration creator
-Sticker creator (Without move)
-Impact sensor update, detects how hard you hit things
-Bendable materials
-3D mode option
-Backround creator
-Ability to sit, lay down
-More expressions (Made with combination of buttons)
-Physicalization toggle (Toggles Dephysicalization of an object)
-Change decoration color (Basically tweak the decoration)
-Bigger level space
-Bigger thermometer
-On Ps3 and Ps4
-Expression sensor
-Swimming sackbots
-Costume changer (For sackbots and Sackpeople)
-Better water
-Custom scoreboards
-Invisible tool (Turns objects invisible) (Should also turn on/off when triggered)
-More danger
-Star rating system
-Faster level loading
-Allow the controlinator to be remote controlled by certain players and not nearest player
-More useful logic and logic options
-Transmitter and Recievers (As seen in LBP Karting)
-Wireless wires
-GUI creator
-Sound creator
-Rewind and Fast foward to take little or no time (As seen in LBP Karting)
-Record (Records Video)
-Video Screen (Uses pictures and recorded videos and displays them on the screen.
-Sackboy microchip
-able to select different character animations in the costumes

Thats all I got!

LBP3d? That would make sense :P

^ BA DUM TSS....

That pun always cracks me up :) .

Definetly more people in a Pod, (like 6 or 8?)
DUBSTEP MUSIC SECQUENCERS/INSTRUMENTS
Maybe effects for music? (like phaser, chorus, ect..)
Update on the thermameter

I'd really like to see a better online system. Something like an interactive lobby for those looking to play, but not wanting to just "Dive In" (seeing as you never know who you'll get connected to or what they'll be playing). I'd love something like Modnation Racer's "Modspot", or something like a "Space" from Home.

Just an open area, not too big, where you can walk your SackThing around and chat and actually kind of meet people before playing.

I dont think its MM anymore working on littlebigplanet. Last time i checked on a Review they Gave Littlebigplanet to a team of the 20 best community level makers.
But anyway. Placing objects in your pod.

Definitely a Youtube uploader!

Allow players to create more stuff within a single level (Increase the themometer capacity), offical background and foreground tools, 3D tools, better online play (Sometime it get laggy for no reason in LBP2), make more DLC packs with levels into them :hatsack:

I don't think copying should be removed because that takes the "share" out of Play, Create, and Share, but I think MM should be less forgiving with copied material. For example, levels with copied materials can't be featured on the cool pages. I want people to create together, but costumes, stickers, and objects obtained from community levels, along with copied levels should be unable to get on the cool pages if published by another creator.

They've been way too forgiving with all of the spam :whatever:

The ability to make a full fledged 3D adventure game/levels. 3D was already touched on in Karting. Let's make this happen!!! Call it: Little Big Universe!

yea this object / pod idea sounds nice. I love building nice pods. I hope they do something like: advanced pod create mode or something like that ooyea

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Definitely a Youtube uploader!

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Yep. Well it would definitely help people who want to record YouTube videos about LBP2 but don't have a PVR that they can record their screen with.

I'm gonna repost some of this concept from another topic. because... well I can. :P

I'll explain my easier way that 3D-Roaming could be added into LBP3 without the company having to change the heart & core of the game. And it is user friendly to new players too, Which is important because the last thing LBP needs is to be even more crazy complex. LBP should always stay as simple & easy to use as possible as to not scare off new creators & players but still at the same time adds new content that's useful to everyone. I tried to explain this concept before, but I never did it in enough detail until now. *mew

Anyways What I think will/should be added to LBP3 will be a option to allow Sackfolk to walk on the front of walls topdown style, which would be a powerup or a logic thingy. And when this is combine with a camera logic set to a fully working 3D view, (Which also should be added.) With all of that, We will get a actually quite nice and simple way to create 3D roaming levels without changing the core LBP game engine. it may be more limited then people would like. but they really shouldn't complain at that point since it still allows for a lot when done right.

http://oi46.tinypic.com/2hd2tyo.jpg

And if combine with the extra layers that are for extra-visuals-only the company may also add, you'll get a pretty fancy looking 3D roaming level overall.

I would also think that Topdown-Sack will be able to jump one layer high. And when it touches a hazard surface below it's feet it'll die. And it'll also be able to still grab objects. *mew

Keep in mind that this concept is only for a LBP3 if it is made for PS3. not PS4.

PS: Again, I won't bother replying to anyone who disagrees with/dislikes my concepts here. I have better things in life to do. Haha~ xD

That's a pretty cool idea. I also thought that maybe Sackboy, when changing layers, walks back into the layer instead of just skipping backwards. So like, you see the back of his head as he walks into the back layer.

Just an idea I thought might be pretty cool.

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I'm gonna repost some of this concept from another topic. because... well I can. :P

I'll explain my easier way that 3D-Roaming could be added into LBP3 without the company having to change the heart & core of the game. And it is user friendly to new players too, Which is important because the last thing LBP needs is to be even more crazy complex. LBP should always stay as simple & easy to use as possible as to not scare off new creators & players but still at the same time adds new content that's useful to everyone. I tried to explain this concept before, but I never did it in enough detail until now. *mew

Anyways What I think will/should be added to LBP3 will be a option to allow Sackfolk to walk on the front of walls topdown style, which would be a powerup or a logic thingy. And when this is combine with a camera logic set to a fully working 3D view, (Which also should be added.) With all of that, We will get a actually quite nice and simple way to create 3D roaming levels without changing the core LBP game engine. it may be more limited then people would like. but they really shouldn't complain at that point since it still allows for a lot when done right.

http://oi46.tinypic.com/2hd2tyo.jpg

And if combine with the extra layers that are for extra-visuals-only the company may also add, you'll get a pretty fancy looking 3D roaming level overall.

I would also think that Topdown-Sack will be able to jump one layer high. And when it touches a hazard surface below it's feet it'll die. And it'll also be able to still grab objects. *mew

Keep in mind that this concept is only for a LBP3 if it is made for PS3. not PS4.

PS: Again, I won't bother replying to anyone who disagrees with/dislikes my concepts here. I have better things in life to do. Haha~ xD

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Hey That's a great idea!!!! I'd love to see this

I would really want to see a color wheel for the default and DLC items on LBP 3. That way we can change the color of items instead of using stickers to do it. :) - I think it would be a nice addition

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Originally Posted by LBPCreatorKit

Definitely a Youtube uploader!

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Having a YouTube uploader could be a great feature, as the PS4 is rumoured to have a build in PVR that can record up to 15 minutes of gameplay at a time which would fit in perfectly for the length of LBP levels.

As long as the next lbp is still 2.5d im happy. Imo if they changed that it would be a big mistake.

If Media Molecule's little secret turns out to be better than LBP itself, I would be tempted to not want a LBP3.

I don't know if it has been mentioned already or not but mm is handing over the reigns for lbp3. Another company is in charge of making the game and has been for almost a year now. The article I read didn't say much else except that mm is real busy with the vista game (can't remember it's name). So my biggest hope for lbp3 is that mm will try and play a larger role in it then in lbpk. United front games did a ok job at lbpk but it could be a lot better and to me it seemed mm didn't have much to do with the project. So again all I hope is that mm is more hands on and doesn't let a repeat of lbpk happen.

You know how LBP2 was marketed with the tagline "create your own games"? Well I'm thinking they should take that to the next level. Currently the "games" players create are all still self-contained levels with fancy gameplay modification tools that are accessed through the standard level search, with keys and level links being used to control the order in which said levels are played.

But what if they allowed you to create entire game blocks in which you could group levels and store data specific to that block? Let's say you wanted to create a Mega Man-esque game for example. You'd want to create a system for memorizing which bosses players have beaten and which weapons they've earned, right? Game Blocks would allow you to store custom Game Tags that each level in that block can detect, and Game Tag Sensors check to see if the tag in question is on or not. This would allow you to specify eight such tags for the weapons, allowing you to access them in subsequent levels.

Furthermore, levels themselves can check to see if certain Game Tags are active, allowing you to lock a level until the player has activated all the proper Game Tags (such as a series of Wily Fortress levels which should only be accessible once you've beaten all eight bosses). New Level Links can also check to see if a particular tag is active or not and transport you to a different level based on the result, allowing for split path logic (though I'm sure some creative players have already figured out methods for achieving that).

Other uses can include custom lives that you want to carry over between levels or a reliable means of transferring item data for complex RPG or Metroidvania projects.

Also, it would be cool if there were a few default gameplay settings besides platformer. Now LBPK has given us a genre spinoff into racing. But what if the next LBP allowed for entire genres to be selected as part of designing your level, thus transforming it into a true megagame? You can select a fighting game for example and customize movesets, even defining animations. Or create an RPG with either real-time or turn-based combat that allows you to create custom items, enemies, NPCs, or spells. Additional genres can be downloaded as DLC packs, and each genre has its own selection of awesome tools tailored for that particular genre.

As for character customization, I'd like to see three things:

1. Different character models

As appealing as Sackboy's design is, it'd be nice if there were a greater variety of body types to choose from for characters. Your Sackperson can be fat, skinny, curvy, buff, tall, short, or just downright bizarre. Preset models would be a good start but a feature that allows marginal tweaking would be even better.

This would of course call for a costume overhaul, but a good number of these features I'm suggesting would probably discourage 100% backwards compatibility anyway, which would probably be controversial but would allow for new ideas that backwards compatibility would limit.

2. Custom animations and expressions

A wider range of default animations in the first place would be a good thing, but an object or other tool that allows you to pose Sackpeople however you want, then play a series of poses in sequence to create animations would be even better. Sackpeople can run in place, lounge, laugh, make silly faces, or perform wild takes.

Mechanically, this would involve manipulating a Sackbot's joints, including neck, torso, shoulders, hips, elbows, knees, wrists, ankles, digits, and of course the face. For rigid joints such as the elbow, this would involve a simple axis of movement while more flexible joints such as the shoulders use an additional axis for rotation.

Since the face is easily as complex as the rest of the body, it could get its own separate expression category which lets you tweak with the eyebrows, cheeks, mouth, and tongue to create a variety of facial moods. However, integrating expressions into the standard pose editor would make it easier to coordinate the face with the rest of the body, useful for when the hands are being placed on the face for example.

3. Custom costumes

Now, downloadable costumes are all fine and dandy. But what if there was a custom editor that allowed you to design your own costume pieces, specifying which areas of the body they cover?

There would be a catch, however: To avoid major lawsuits originating from the creation of copyrighted characters being used as costume bases without the express permission of their respective owners, any custom costume pieces, at least any that are meant for public distribution, have to be cleared with a screening process to ensure copyright infringement doesn't snowball out of control. Furthermore, any infringing material that somehow slips by the screen would have to be subsequently blocked throughout the entire PSN system via required system update. So that Twilight Sparkle costume you worked hard to create can be used personally but can't be distributed among other players nor can Sackbots wearing any of its pieces be copied unless Hasbro themselves gives the go ahead; also, material that would be dubbed "indecent" would likely not clear the screening process; we wouldn't want young 'uns to be exposed to sensitive subject matter without their parents' approval, would we?

Also, each costume piece includes the name of the player who created it regardless of whether its copied, both for crediting the creator and for tracking rulebreakers.

Here's my list

1. 3D or 2.5D creator Can be switched around. This should be better then kartings
2. Longer story mode. It just felt like both LBP1 and LBP2 story's where short.
3. A better story. Not something where some giant nick nack takes something and refuses to give it back till the end.
4. Boo button
5. No copy button / or we keep the COPY button but once copied to your moon you can not republish it. Even if you capture the level. the real level author will be able to set a lock on it. So if someone tries to copy it. They won't be able 2.
6. Better story prizes and well..... New logic tools to play around with.
7. If they game stays as 2.5D then why not add the in game 3D tool. Very useful at certain times when trying to make something.

I'll have more to come soon.

I kinda hope if there is gonna be a LBP3 that they keep the 2.5D aspect but maybe have an option for Sackboy to move free-roaming style. So Sackboy would walk on layers like normal then if a player sets a gameplay tweak or activates a theoretical 'Gameplay Tweaker' Sackboy could then be free to walk about the play space like a 3D platformer. The front and back of the designated play space would be invisible walls naturally so Sackboy couldn't jump out of the level xD

Also if the 3D option was turned on in create mode perhaps objects could be rotated in 3D space, using the right stick obviously, to allow for positioning in the environment more easily and interestingly :)

I was thinking maybe keep the 2D, but have the option to switch angle so you can move Sackboy forwards and backwards as opposed to left and right, so it's sort of like 3D but still with the three layers and the camera follows right behind the player.

Maybe we should be able to use 5, 6, 7 Or 8 layers. And the same goes for foreground but in the foreground make it so you can only go into the first 4 layers of the foreground.