Are there any TV shows or channels you think are going downhill?

When I went to many show forums, I can tell the ratings are falling. Older shows weren't good as they used to be, newer shows trash the networks, some good shows were removed from the air.

One example discusses South Park. People have been thinking it has been going downhill ever since Season 13. I agree South Park hasn't been doing good, especially since the 201st episode, but that's only because of the coon saga and what was going on in the second half of season 14. Season 15 was just as bad as Season 14, but Season 16 seems to improve everything. While people think South Park is getting worse, similar shows are worse when they are going downhill like Simpsons and Family Guy.

Back in 2008/2009 (when I first joined forums), there was another major discussion like this, but on the entire channel of Cartoon Network. People have been complaining about the channel and the new shows. The most beloved shows were taken off and were replaced with shows they really hate, especially live action animation. Chowder and Flapjack were good for the channel, even though people have been critical about them before they premiered. But for the most part, the channel has a lot of hatred.

So are there any channels or TV shows you think are going downhill?

Once Fox Kids died, so did a bit of kid's TV.

I haven't watched much TV in a long while, but I agree that CN has really gotten worse. They don't have any good shows like Courage the Cowardly Dog and Ed, Edd n Eddy anymore, now they have garbage like Adventure Time and Regular Show.

A show in particular that I think has gotten worse is Spongebob, I wouldn't even think of watching it anymore. Speaking of Nickelodeon, I can't remember the last time I even put that channel on or even thought about it... Disney Channel is another one, it's not even the same thing it used to be. Why do they make these random shows that have such ridiculous situations that would never actually happen? (Yes, I'm talking about the live action ones, not the cartoons) The cartoons aren't even that good either really.

On a non-cartoon note, History and Discovery channels have really gone off track, every time I put on Discovery, that motorcycle show is always on, and History just has too much stuff that isn't related to history in any way whatsoever. Really need more Modern Marvels and How It's Made...

I've also noticed a lot of knockoff shows popping up, and their usually just worse than the original. Pawn Stars is a decent show, but then I watched Hardcore Pawn, it's nothing but screaming people (Why are their so many shows like this? I think there are about three repo shows that are just people yelling and brawling like drunkards).

Now I remember why I stopped watching TV...

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I haven't watched much TV in a long while, but I agree that CN has really gotten worse. They don't have any good shows like Courage the Cowardly Dog and Ed, Edd n Eddy anymore, now they have garbage like Adventure Time and Regular Show.

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Whoa, back that .*** bandwagon up. Adventure Time I can agree with, but hating Regular Show? Expecto Whatthefutrona are you talking about?

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Whoa, back that .*** bandwagon up. Adventure Time I can agree with, but hating Regular Show? Expecto Whatthefutrona are you talking about?

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I'll admit, I haven't actually watched it (I did watch one episode of Adventure Time though, and it was God-awful) but I saw the previews for it, and it looked just as bad as Adventure Time (it looked like the same people made it, honestly). One thing I really don't like is the art style, everything on CN now just looks awful.

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I'll admit, I haven't actually watched it (I did watch one episode of Adventure Time though, and it was God-awful) but I saw the previews for it, and it looked just as bad as Adventure Time (it looked like the same people made it, honestly). One thing I really don't like is the art style, everything on CN now just looks awful.

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Nice way to base you argument.

[spoiler]On a more gentler note, Regular Show is like Ed Edd N' Eddy and Courage the Cowardly Dog combined; it has great humor that mature audience will pick up on and enjoy, their high-jinks are actually entertaining and the solutions are thought out, not "oh they get in this situation but MAGIC helps them figure things out", and they don't over exaggerate as much as Adventure Time. It's a pretty cool show and I consider it on the same level as the other good old CN shows.[/spoiler]

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Nice way to base you argument.

[spoiler]Quite the persuasive counter-argument.[/spoiler]

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Alright, I may give it a try, going on your word about the plot of the show. I still don't like the overall design of it, isn't their a guy with a gumball machine for a head? I like weird stuff, but it just seems a bit too 'wtf' for my taste.

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I haven't watched much TV in a long while, but I agree that CN has really gotten worse. They don't have any good shows like Courage the Cowardly Dog and Ed, Edd n Eddy anymore, now they have garbage like Adventure Time and Regular Show.

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I didn't realize that, but I agree that Cartoon Network is getting worse, but that's because I haven't seen CN in a while. Since I started watching South Park, I took off from CN. When I came back, it was horrible. Chowder was cancelled, TDI got worse, and most of these shows are very unfamiliar. Adventure Time looks like a Rip-off from Chowder and Flapjack.

The criticism of newer TV shows began all the way back in 2004/2005, when shows like Gym Partner's and Foster's home for Imaginary Friends debut. People hated shows that premiered after Camp Lazlo, such as Squirrel Boy, Chop Socky Chooks, and especially Live Action animated shows like Out of Jimmy's Head. But for Chowder, it wasn't bad at all. Clone Wars wasn't so great either.

I haven't seen Regular Show (judging by the tile, it reminds me of The Daily Show), but I heard a producer of Flapjack made this show.

Regular show and adventure time is the only thing worth anybodies time on Cartoon network. I like regular show in particular for reasons stated above, its just really well thought out and creative. The show is actually based on an acid trip, or at least Benson and Mordecai are, so you know its gonna be sweet. One of my favorite episodes is where they buy muscle man the fake lottery ticket and he flips out.

Regarding CN, Regular Show is the only series that I really think it's worth watching. Adventure Time is tolerable, Gumball is hardly tolerable, shows like Chowder and Flapjack faded away pretty quickly, and Ben 10 has been overdone to hell.

Nickelodeon... I simply skip this channel now. Too many stupid series and the new cartoons aren't appealing at all.

In my honest opinion, I think Adventure Time and Regular Show are a lot better than the stuff they were coming out with one or two years ago.

With Regular Show, the humor is more directed towards an older group, probably in their pre-teens and teens. The whole "bro" vibe really helps draw in attention, and to me, the show is like a toned-down version of family guy when it comes to the situations Mordecai and Rigby get involved in.

I actually like Adventure Time. Now before you go all off on me, lemme just say that yes, some stuff in that show is a bit stupid. A tiny green elephant trying to seduce a tentacle monster, a 13-year-old falling in love with an 18-year-old gum humanoid, a guy who committed suicide by eating too much nacho cheese... I'll just stop there. But it's more so the backstory and character backgrounds that have me intrigued. Adventure Time takes place after Earth has a nuclear fallout, and the central characters, as whimsical as they may be, have pretty believable personalities. And some of the truth in the series is actually really dark compared to the other shows.

Now, when I compare these shows to others like Johnny Test, Total Drama Island and the new Ben 10, I think they're lightyears ahead. I gotta admit, after Cartoon Network ditched Toonami and Miguzi (along with some of my long-time favorite shows lie Ed, Edd & Eddy and Courage the Cowardly Dog) and shortened their title, cartoons on that channel have been more hit-n-miss if anything. Stuff like Gumball and the new Looney Tunes is okay at best, while other stuff like Johnny Test (yes, I absolutely hate that show) should have been killed off long ago. And Nickelodeon... uggh. The only reason I have to watch it now is for Korra (made by the same guys who did Avatar; YOU SHOULD WATCH ET).

If there's any show that I think is going downhill it's gotta be Spongebob Squarepants. I can't bear the watch the show anymore because they've changed so much stuff. Spongebob just seems like an accident-prone idiot, Patrick is even more stupid than before, Mr. Krabs is just mean now, I don't even see Sandy anymore, Mrs. Puff is now a total wimp, and Gary talks waaay too much. If anything, they've kept Squidward mostly the same, and now these days he perfectly conveys my emotions for the show like he does for his neighbors: it's annoying, it's stupid, and I just hate it. It's not what it used to be, and I just feel sad that Nickelodeon keeps poking it with a stick to keep it alive.

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In my honest opinion, I think Adventure Time and Regular Show are a lot better than the stuff they were coming out with one or two years ago.

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Even though I didn't like Chowder or Flapjack (yes I watched them, a few episodes as well) I still think the're better than the new shows.

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Now, when I compare these shows to others like Johnny Test, Total Drama Island and the new Ben 10, I think they're lightyears ahead. I gotta admit, after Cartoon Network ditched Toonami and Miguzi (along with some of my long-time favorite shows lie Ed, Edd & Eddy and Courage the Cowardly Dog) and shortened their title, cartoons on that channel have been more hit-n-miss if anything.

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Johnny Test actually started out a while back on another channel (that I can't seem to remember) before CN picked it up. It was decent the first few times, but it got old extremely fast. Total Drama Island, prime example of what CN does nowadays, bad bathroom jokes and childish humour (farts and underwear), if they were more serious with it, it might have been a decent show. Ben 10, I thought it was pretty neat, the watch turning him into aliens was a good idea. Haven't watched the newer one though, I'd imagine its gotten repetative. I vaguely remember Toonami... didn't that play Naruto and GBZ or some other? It was anime stuff at least, I think... I miss Courage and the Eds too, still my favorite cartoons.

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If there's any show that I think is going downhill it's gotta be Spongebob Squarepants. I can't bear the watch the show anymore because they've changed so much stuff. Spongebob just seems like an accident-prone idiot, Patrick is even more stupid than before, Mr. Krabs is just mean now, I don't even see Sandy anymore, Mrs. Puff is now a total wimp, and Gary talks waaay too much. If anything, they've kept Squidward mostly the same, and now these days he perfectly conveys my emotions for the show like he does for his neighbors: it's annoying, it's stupid, and I just hate it. It's not what it used to be, and I just feel sad that Nickelodeon keeps poking it with a stick to keep it alive.

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This^ It's almost as dead a horse as FF. *Grabs stick*

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This^ It's almost as dead a horse as FF. *Grabs stick*

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I haven't gotten this mad at a comment in a long, long time... :moody:

Of course there were always some good shows (I didn't think Chowder or Flapjack were bad at all; the target audiences are just so small), but the majority of them were pretty bad.

Edit: Yeah, I'm still angry.

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Originally Posted by Outlaw-Jack

It's not what it used to be, and I just feel sad that Nickelodeon keeps poking it with a stick to keep it alive.

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According to the Uncyclopedia (a satirical wiki from Wikia), Nickelodeon isn't really called "Nickelodeon." It's called "Spongebob and iCarly Network." It even once had a TV schedule with 24 hours of Spongebob.

Another reason why Nickelodeon is trash isn't because it's almost only Spongebob and other live shows, but it's owned by a master company called Viacom, which was known for their lawsuits against YouTube.

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I haven't gotten this mad at a comment in a long, long time... :moody:

Of course there were always some good shows (I didn't think Chowder or Flapjack were bad at all; the target audiences are just so small), but the majority of them were pretty bad.

Edit: Yeah, I'm still angry.

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Wait, mad at me or what I was talking about? Not sure if should be running right now *Fear looks at Ration, Ration shakes head. Fear gulps.*

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Wait, mad at me or what I was talking about? Not sure if should be running right now *Fear looks at Ration, Ration shakes head. Fear gulps.*

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Both......

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Originally Posted by Outlaw-Jack

Both......

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I was agreeing with you though? You aren't a die heard FF fan are you?...

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I actually like Adventure Time. Now before you go all off on me, lemme just say that yes, some stuff in that show is a bit stupid. A tiny green elephant trying to seduce a tentacle monster, a 13-year-old falling in love with an 18-year-old gum humanoid, a guy who committed suicide by eating too much nacho cheese... I'll just stop there. But it's more so the backstory and character backgrounds that have me intrigued. Adventure Time takes place after Earth has a nuclear fallout, and the central characters, as whimsical as they may be, have pretty believable personalities. And some of the truth in the series is actually really dark compared to the other shows.

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Never said I hated it. I just said I can understand why people would hate it. Some stuff on it is pretty ridiculous, but I look pass that and remember the stupid things Ed Edd N Eddy did and enjoy the show. But yes, Regular Show > Adventure Time.

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If there's any show that I think is going downhill it's gotta be Spongebob Squarepants. I can't bear the watch the show anymore because they've changed so much stuff. Spongebob just seems like an accident-prone idiot, Patrick is even more stupid than before, Mr. Krabs is just mean now, I don't even see Sandy anymore, Mrs. Puff is now a total wimp, and Gary talks waaay too much. If anything, they've kept Squidward mostly the same, and now these days he perfectly conveys my emotions for the show like he does for his neighbors: it's annoying, it's stupid, and I just hate it. It's not what it used to be, and I just feel sad that Nickelodeon keeps poking it with a stick to keep it alive.

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Oh wow, I just realize how depressing Spongebob's descent is:

• Patrick is no longer the 'smart' guy he used to be in Season 1 and 2
• Sandy used to be a smart chill person; now she's a crazy squirrel who's always made to look like an idiot
• producers are forced to dumb down their jokes now to reach the child demographic
• Spongebob went from an optimistic fry cook to an ADHD manchild with social problems

I just... wow.

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I was agreeing with you though? You aren't a die heard FF fan are you?...

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... ok. Now when you mean FF, what exactly do you mean? Because that can apply for more than one thing around here.

@Cyber: It's surprising how much Spongebob has gone downhill now that we look back on it. I always mention it to my friends and they come to realize the same thing. I guess all good things come to an end, whether that's quickly or slowly.

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... ok. Now when you mean FF, what exactly do you mean? Because that can apply for more than one thing around here.

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Final Fantasy... What did you think I was referring to?

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Final Fantasy... What did you think I was referring to?

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Okay. It was a misunderstanding then. Sorry for scarin' yah. And, well... the other FF was the old name for the comic project I was involved in... the one I'm still writing.

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Okay. It was a misunderstanding then. Sorry for scarin' yah.

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More scared at the fact that I may have offended an acquaintance.

Something on topic to anti-derail the thread: Disney, no, did that, Nick? Yeah, them too. CN is said and gone... So how 'bout that Sci Fi Scy Fy eh?

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So how 'bout that Sci Fi Scy Fy eh?

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Tbh, all I see on Scy Fy now these days are really weird monster movies. They don't even show Dr. Who that much anymore.

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Tbh, all I see on Scy Fy now these days are really weird monster movies. They don't even show Dr. Who that much anymore.

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I was referring to when they changed their name, for no apparent reason. Why make the i's into y's? It just baffles me... I haven't seen much on it that's even good other than that Face Off show recently (Though I was practically hugging the TV when a Twilight Zone marathon came on the other day). Monster Man looks ok, going by the first episode anyway.

Here's what I know about these three channels:

Disney - used to be family friendly, but now it's made for little girls only. The shows on the Disney channel even have affected older style cartoons that aren't Disney (like the McDonald's characters).
Nickelodeon - too many live shows like iCarly. Spongebob has dominated the channel, and the newer shows suck.
Cartoon Network - in 2007-2009, they followed the path of Nick and Disney by airing their live action shows (like CN Real), and they air stupider shows with no creativity. Not only that, but they end shows too early.

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I was referring to when they changed their name, for no apparent reason. Why make the i's into y's? It just baffles me... I haven't seen much on it that's even good other than that Face Off show recently (Though I was practically hugging the TV when a Twilight Zone marathon came on the other day). Monster Man looks ok, going by the first episode anyway.

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Because they're hip and wanna mingle with the cool Big Bang Theory crowd! In all honesty, though, I hate Big Bang Theory; they're insulting almost every type of geek, nerd, or gamer on there (he's smart, edgy, and plays on an Alienware laptop? so nerdy! XD).

Also, anyone remember that show 3 inches?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8p--QBFAiQ

I swear, it was possibly the most retarded show to appear there. My friends, however, like to mess with me and bring it up in conversations once in a while.

[spoiler]Me: ...but Skyrim does kinds suck, you have to admit that. You get overpowered at lvl. 30.
Them: You know what would have made the game better? 3 inches.
Me: Really? It's useless. You can die from falling-
Them: Nope. Move the ground so you float for a second. 3 inches.
Me: You can't move the ground!
Them: 3 inches guy can.
Me: Well then Cole can zap his a** because you can't dodge lightning, it's impossible.
Them: Yeah, but he can move the lightning away from him. 3 inches.
Me: MOTHER*******ERS!

Yes, they say 3 inches at the end of their argument. It has become sort of a catchphrase to them now.[/spoiler]

Their stupidity sometimes defies the laws of physics, but I enjoy it sometimes.

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Because they're hip and wanna mingle with the cool Big Bang Theory crowd! In all honesty, though, I hate Big Bang Theory; they're insulting almost every type of geek, nerd, or gamer on there (he's smart, edgy, and plays on an Alienware laptop? so nerdy! XD).

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Yeah. While I like the jokes, I always felt that the characters are over-stereotyped. But again, what's a comedy series without over-stereotyped characters?

Did they cancel Ed, Edd 'n Eddy and Courage? But I saw these two yesterday. Along with Billy and Mandy, and Baboon and Weasel.

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Did they cancel Ed, Edd 'n Eddy and Courage? But I saw these two yesterday. Along with Billy and Mandy, and Baboon and Weasel.

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Cancel = stop production

They only show reruns now. Danny Antowhaeverhislastname is was actually considering extending Ed Edd N' Eddy for another season after CN asked for it, but CN changed its mind at the last second when the new president took over and replaced all the good shows with live action ones. From my understanding, this is how they went:

Ed Edd N' Eddy - movie released to finish the show; CN decided not to extend the series
Courage the Cowardly Dog - cancelled for unknown reasons; was considered a controversial show since it was for kids but was dark all the time, so it may have something to do with that, or producers just got uninterested
Chowder - cancelled for having a small audience (seasons 1-2 were godly, the rest were tryharding to win back people); CN wanted to make room for live action shows and those Canadian shows
Flapjack - cancelled for having a small audience; underrated as ******* because it wasn't advertised as much as Adventure Time or Regular Show; producers were getting uninterested at this point; CN wanted space for their live shows and Canadian cartoons
Squirrel Boy - cancelled for having a small audience; show went retarded after the first few episodes, so understandable

And I know this isn't a show, but:

Toonami - anime/game review block cancelled; CN wanted to make room for live action shows; CN's thought at the time was that Adult Swim and Toonami was the same thing, so it would be better to get rid of Toonami to save money; cost them too much to edit shows, acquiring rights to air the shows, and paying voice actors for the block

That's about it. All other pre-08 shows were merely stopped because they needed to end eventually. Billy and Mandy (great show IMO) was being milked so much that they even made a spin off movie revolving around a secondary character.

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All TV died.

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Cancel = stop production

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On Nickelodeon, once a show is no longer in production, it won't be aired again. Re-runs of cancelled shows on Nickelodeon are just as possible as a flying pig or a barking cat. I know Cartoon Network doesn't mind playing re-runs of ended shows, but they do it rarely. Nickelodeon rather air Spongebob all the time rather than focusing on the other shows. It's like conserving deer and rabbits over endangered animals. :(

We have talked about Cartoon Network a lot, but we haven't talked about Comedy Central yet.

No one like MAD Magazine on CN? I like it :D

Dexter - used to be great, now it's not so great. Last season was pretty poor by it's standards.

Channel 4 (uk) - nowadays it just seems to be full of rubbish. Used to have some decent shows on.

The Walking Dead got pretty lame, and so did The Big Bang Theory since season 3. Now there isn't any show I really feel like watching except for Game of Thrones.

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Tbh, all I see on Scy Fy now these days are really weird monster movies. They don't even show Dr. Who that much anymore.

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Before we got BBC America as one of the channels for TWC, Doctor Who was the only reason I watched the Sci fi, or "Sy Fy" channel or whatever it is now. That and some twilight zone episodes that would come on.

Also, Courage is definitely one of the coolest cartoons out there. It's dark tone simply worked, and it's something adults can enjoy watching too. Also, I remember playing this game based on the show on the CN site,. It had you in this egyptian tomb, avoiding mummies who 'd come out doors, and you'd go in some doors leading to funky colored levels with extra difficulty I think. I remember spending countless hours on the game, it was amazing.

Did anyone else used to play some of those online games for the cartoons? I'm not sure if they have the same quality or not though, but I really hope they fidn't take down that little game I'm referencing.

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The Walking Dead got pretty lame, and so did The Big Bang Theory since season 3. Now there isn't any show I really feel like watching except for Game of Thrones.

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I've heard a lot of great reviews for Game of Thrones, although I still haven 't watched it yet. I think I missed some parts for this season, but Fringe is an awesome show.

The Killing would also have to be one of my favorite shows on TV. Exciting story and superb acting. I hear that a lot of people are upset because of how season 1 ended and how it is now. :/ While I respect their opinion, I have absolutely no idea what they're talking about.

I agree with Big Bang Theory though, it's run its course. Iliked some of the early stuff, but now its pretty meh.

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Once Fox KidsToonami died, so did a bit all of kid's TV.

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One of the guys who works at Adult Swim said on twitter that Toonami was cancelled because of internal reasons. (most likely a new d-bag boss)

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The following day, Adult Swim posted a message to their Twitter page, simply stating, "Want it back? Let us know. #BringBackToonami".[18] On April 4, Adult Swim followed up this tweet with one stating, "#BringBackToonami We've heard you. Thank you for your passion and interest - stay tuned."[19] On April 8, Adult Swim aired 2 bumpers about the Toonami tweets and answered with "[we're listening]" and "[we're looking into it]".[20][/spoiler]

Everyone saying Adventure Time is terrible and Regular Show is great has terrible taste and cant be trusted to judge quality. :devious:

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One of the guys who works at Adult Swim said on twitter that Toonami was cancelled because of internal reasons. (most likely a new d-bag boss)

[spoiler]
The following day, Adult Swim posted a message to their Twitter page, simply stating, "Want it back? Let us know. #BringBackToonami".[18] On April 4, Adult Swim followed up this tweet with one stating, "#BringBackToonami We've heard you. Thank you for your passion and interest - stay tuned."[19] On April 8, Adult Swim aired 2 bumpers about the Toonami tweets and answered with "[we're listening]" and "[we're looking into it]".[20][/spoiler]

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And everybody went crazy over it. Streams were made to bring the broadcast to people without the channel, and it was rather enjoyable while it lasted (had fun with them too). Still, CN's president is pants-on-head retarded and knows that the Toonami demographic is a small minority compared to the current CN demographic, so chances look slim.

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Everyone saying Adventure Time is terrible and Regular Show is great has terrible taste and cant be trusted to judge quality. :devious:

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Of all people to say that, I would have expected you the least, Bremnen. How disappointing.

I remember Toonami, but when it was on I didn't watch it. I usually was watching some of the old Nick shows. What'd I miss? :(

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Re-runs of cancelled shows on Nickelodeon are just as possible as a flying pig or a barking cat. I know Cartoon Network doesn't mind playing re-runs of ended shows, but they do it rarely. Nickelodeon rather air Spongebob all the time rather than focusing on the other shows. It's like conserving deer and rabbits over endangered animals. :(

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP3gzee1cps
I'm sorry I couldn't resist :p

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I'm sorry I couldn't resist :p

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It means once a show is cancelled on Nick, no re-runs will air. And I think I saw that video. Don't clap your hands backwards or fly a kite on Wednesday, otherwise you can see this happening in real life.