Are there any TV shows or channels you think are going downhill?

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Originally Posted by Kern

i liked the coon saga.. :(

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I did too. I thought that one pretty funny. Not one of their best, but still pretty good.

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Originally Posted by Apple2012

A lot of those "liberals" from South Park Studios forums hated it. In fact, according to IGN, the first episode scored a 6.0/10.0. I read from other forums about what they think of South Park from the past two seasons.

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I never worry about what anyone else thinks about what I like. Especially when they have rating systems and get paid for rating them. I can't count the times movie critics love a movie that I can't stand or ones they rate as the worst movies of all times are some of my favorites.

...all a matter of taste. If you like something great, if not... oh well.

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Originally Posted by jwwphotos

I did too. I thought that one pretty funny. Not one of their best, but still pretty good.



I never worry about what anyone else thinks about what I like. Especially when they have rating systems and get paid for rating them. I can't count the times movie critics love a movie that I can't stand or ones they rate as the worst movies of all times are some of my favorites.

...all a matter of taste. If you like something great, if not... oh well.

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You're right! Although I don't like the coon saga, a rating of 6.0 doesn't nesescarily mean it's a bad episode, but it's mediocre. It's like not giving a rating on a level. And there are at least some people who do approve, albeit bringing the ratings down. This is a clue to show how South Park is going downhill, but this isn't the worst they ever done.

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Originally Posted by Apple2012

You're right! Although I don't like the coon saga, a rating of 6.0 doesn't nesescarily mean it's a bad episode, but it's mediocre. It's like not giving a rating on a level. And there are at least some people who do approve, albeit bringing the ratings down. This is a clue to show how South Park is going downhill, but this isn't the worst they ever done.

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No... I think it's a clue to how you just didn't get what I said. :p

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Originally Posted by jwwphotos

No... I think it's a clue to how you just didn't get what I said. :p

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So I was wrong the whole time (maybe). I was only judging based on the opinions by the users on South Park Studios forums. I was picking up opinions from them to find the average opinion from the users. SP Studios forums aren't the only fanbase with the opinions about each episode. I should probably go to other forums about Seasons 14 and 15. It's true they were disappointing, but I was only judging by the SP Studios.

By the way, I stopped reading the forums on South Park Studios. I may no longer analyze the popularity of the show from that website.

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Originally Posted by Apple2012

So I was wrong the whole time (maybe).

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lol... you have a knack for over analyzing. :p

What I have been saying is I don't really care about what any group of people feel about something that I liked. I don't go looking for what others think if I like something or dislike something. ...and no matter if something is a this rating or that rating, it doesn't sway my personal opinion. If I like it.. I like it. If I don't, I don't.

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Originally Posted by Wouter1998

Shows going downhill? I wished that MLP would finally go downhill.

Why? It spawned a giant community of p****rt freaks. D:

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It's not about shows you want to go downhill; it's about shows you think are going downhill. But I see your point here.

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Originally Posted by Apple2012

It's not about shows you want to go downhill; it's about shows you think are going downhill. But I see your point here.

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His point which is completely untrue.

I have to say this: Not only I respect all of your opinions on what you say about Cartoon Network, but I like them. You guys made some really good points on how Cartoon Network is a few years ago and today. Same for Nickelodeon and Spongebob. Although, I know why Spongebob is going downhill: Stephen Hillenburg, the creator of Spongebob, has left the show. He put Derek Drymon in charge. With the new writers and new supervisor, the show has changed into something we wouldn't bear watching. New episodes are bad, Nickelodeon only airs Spongebob, and Cartoon Network has turned into a channel that is accepting live action shows and imports from other channels.

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Originally Posted by Apple2012

I have to say this: Not only I respect all of your opinions on what you say about Cartoon Network, but I like them. You guys made some really good points on how Cartoon Network is a few years ago and today. Same for Nickelodeon and Spongebob. Although, I know why Spongebob is going downhill: Stephen Hillenburg, the creator of Spongebob, has left the show. He put Derek Drymon in charge. With the new writers and new supervisor, the show has changed into something we wouldn't bear watching. New episodes are bad, Nickelodeon only airs Spongebob, and Cartoon Network has turned into a channel that is accepting live action shows and imports from other channels.

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I respect with those opinions as well. It seemed like Cartoon Network is the major point of this thread, because many of you complained about how they air live action shows and some cartoons that are really lame.But like what I said earlier, CN is still watchable because of some great shows like "Adventure Time" and "Regular Show". As in Nickelodeon, I agree that "Spongebob Squarepants" has been airing on Nick way too much, but don't forget that there's still "The Legend of Korra". I really do enjoy "Spongebob" in its first few seasons, but recently it's not as original as it used to be.

However, there's a new things I don't like about CN. I heard on ign.com that the "ThunderCats" reboot may get canceled, and it's mostly because of the lack of advertisements and it's currently air on Saturdays instead of Fridays. I really admire its story, characters and animation, but I don't get why it's on the endangered list. It could suffer the same fate as "Syn-Bionic Titan" ,made by the same guy behind "Dexter's Laboratory" and "Samurai Jack", but at least it's not 100% sure about "ThunderCats". Good thing there's still "Young Justice" on the action-packed cartoons on CN, but I don't get why many of these kinds of cartoons no longer gets modern kids' attention. :(

By the way, Apple2012, I'm 60% agree with you about the "Total Drama" series. TDI made the series the best of modern Canadian cartoons, because I somehow liked the idea of this cartoon being a reality show, while TDA is good but not great. As in TDWT, it would have been a great season if it wasn't for the bad musical parts, so instead it's a decent season. "Total Drama: Revenge of the Island", on the other hand, has improved over both TDA and TDWT. Not only does it go back to where it all began, but the thirteen new contestants, like the multi-personality Mike, the aura-seeing Dawn, and the military school cadet Brick, are better than I expected. I thought TDRI is going to kill the series after seeing it's first few commercials, but I was wrong. I guess adds can sometimes be very deceiving just like "Regular Show" and "Total Drama Island" when they started the commercials. I prefer the original contestants like Gwen, Owen, Duncan, Heather, Izzy and Harold, but TDRI, in my opinion, is between TDI and TDA ( so far, there's only two episodes, but I'm sure it'll be fine in the rest of the episodes).

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Originally Posted by JustinArt

By the way, Apple2012, I'm 60% agree with you about the "Total Drama" series. TDI made the series the best of modern Canadian cartoons, because I somehow liked the idea of this cartoon being a reality show, while TDA is good but not great. As in TDWT, it would have been a great season if it wasn't for the bad musical parts, so instead it's a decent season. "Total Drama: Revenge of the Island", on the other hand, has improved over both TDA and TDWT. Not only does it go back to where it all began, but the thirteen new contestants, like the multi-personality Mike, the aura-seeing Dawn, and the military school cadet Brick, are better than I expected. I thought TDRI is going to kill the series after seeing it's first few commercials, but I was wrong. I guess adds can sometimes be very deceiving just like "Regular Show" and "Total Drama Island" when they started the commercials. I prefer the original contestants like Gwen, Owen, Duncan, Heather, Izzy and Harold, but TDRI, in my opinion, is between TDI and TDA ( so far, there's only two episodes, but I'm sure it'll be fine in the rest of the episodes).

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The one reason why Total Drama Island is bad for Cartoon Network is because of one of their characters (Courtney). This character is hot-tempered and sue-happy. Courtney from TDI is worse than a lot of animated characters (even Cartman). Cartoon Network would have been better without this charater. Another problem I find with her is she's too popular by the fans, but she got a lot of haters too.

Unconventional, obnoxious, unlikable characters are used to end the pattern of relatable, good-natured, likable characters, and are also used to create difficult situations, to advance the narrative, and/or to just plain ol' differ from everyone else. A show where everyone is kind and respectful with no conflict just wouldn't workout too well. I haven't seen too many episodes from the new Total Drama, but I feel they just can't compare to the previous characters.

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Originally Posted by Ironface

Unconventional, obnoxious, unlikable characters are used to end the pattern of relatable, good-natured, likable characters, and are also used to create difficult situations, to advance the narrative, and/or to just plain ol' differ from everyone else. A show where everyone is kind and respectful with no conflict just wouldn't workout too well. I haven't seen too many episodes from the new Total Drama, but I feel they just can't compare to the previous characters.

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I see your point, so I don't really get it why people are abandoning the show just because of one character. I can understand the whole Courtney thing, but it's still rediculous. I looked at a poll on Fanpop, and according to the poll, Total Drama Action was the most hated season of the entire show. Courtney had too much screen time (and she's being very mean and rude), other characters have been destroyed, and the show has lost creativity with this season. Most shows are okay to have the same characters from season to season, but Total Drama Island is an example of one show that is better if the previous cast is dropped out as a new cast is introduced. I'm glad Courtney's gone as of TDROTI, but the show is still on the same location it was a long time ago. Whatever you say actually is true drama, but Courtney seems to be too much.

I know this isn't really about TV shows going downhill, but I can't find any other TV show thread recently posted in. I just watched the season finale to 'The Killing'. Season 1 is on Netflix, so people should definitely give it the time to watch. It's slow paced, but it really is good, and the final episode for Season 2 is one of my favorite TV show endings, it really is good. I know people have dissed it for not wrapping everything up at the end of Season 1, but we're all entitled to our own opinion. It's all been wrapped up now, and nicely too. I was fine with it when they decided to go for a second season, and all the messages they conveyed in the finale tonight, it's great. Not everything was touched upon all over again maybe, but it did bring up a lot of the real important things, and some minor details as well, and I just found that it was a great way to end things, what with the interesting story told, amazing setting represented, and some of the best acting seen on television.

As far as other murder mysteries go, I don't really watch that much CSI or Law & Order, but I remember seeing some of 'Bones' and 'Castle', both shows that, like CSI and Law & Order, did a different case each episode. Sadly, they both ended up in the same route, the gutter. I haven't seen Bones recently, but of what I did see, it wasn't that great imo. I'm not saying it has to give off a dark vibe like with The Killing, comedy is completely fine on all kinds of levels, yet I think both shows have become less interesting, and just plain goofy, in a bad way. The crimes aren't as interesting and the partnerships are less memorable, and more annoying.

I still enjoy watching Psych time to time, although I will admit, it isn't always at it's best, and that's fine, as it still manages to bring in plenty of funny moments, making it far more enjoyable than shows such as 'Castle' imo. I know this is kind of random, but I kind of liked it how, early on in the show, there were more signs of Shaun's attention to detail, while now the things he spot seems a bit more obvious. I don't know, maybe that's just me, but I liked it more when he spotted the more obscure things, it just was a small detail I thought was always cool to throw in. Psych is full of great 'small details' though, such as when they used to hide a pineapple in each and every episode, even if it wasn't in the exact same form all the time. I'm not sure if they still do that though.

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Originally Posted by Apple2012

I see your point, so I don't really get it why people are abandoning the show just because of one character. I can understand the whole Courtney thing, but it's still rediculous. I looked at a poll on Fanpop, and according to the poll, Total Drama Action was the most hated season of the entire show. Courtney had too much screen time (and she's being very mean and rude), other characters have been destroyed, and the show has lost creativity with this season. Most shows are okay to have the same characters from season to season, but Total Drama Island is an example of one show that is better if the previous cast is dropped out as a new cast is introduced. I'm glad Courtney's gone as of TDROTI, but the show is still on the same location it was a long time ago. Whatever you say actually is true drama, but Courtney seems to be too much.

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Yeah somewhere down the line she made the transition from tolerable to insufferable - she used to be about the music, she's changed.

And as for crime shows, sir Dragon, I for one will keep an eye out for The Killing, and I agree - Bones and Castle have gone downhill, but the only reason why I feel this is so (and can apply to many current shows) is because they moved into sentimental feelings territory. Stick to the death, and the morbidity, I say!

I thought Dexter was fantastic, and it never went downhill, but in my humble opinion, you can never top the first season.

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Originally Posted by Ironface

Yeah somewhere down the line she made the transition from tolerable to insufferable - she used to be about the music, she's changed.

And as for crime shows, sir Dragon, I for one will keep an eye out for The Killing, and I agree - Bones and Castle have gone downhill, but the only reason why I feel this is so (and can apply to many current shows) is because they moved into sentimental feelings territory. Stick to the death, and the morbidity, I say!

I thought Dexter was fantastic, and it never went downhill, but in my humble opinion, you can never top the first season.

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Thanks for considering it. It might start out pretty slow at first, but once you get into it some more, it can get real interesting, despite still maintaining a slower pace than certain shows, as, while most crime shows solve mysteries every episode, this one does it over the span of 2 seasons, and although that might sound boring to some, it also ties in a lot of other things going on, especially during the second season.

Yeah, I don't have a problem with friendships/relationships on TV, as long as it's done right, and doesn't get in the way of the crime, although it usually does. The relationships in Castle and Bones for example, have been dragged out to the point where, for anyone who wanted them to be together at the end, has probably gotten real annoyed along with everyone else, and doesn't care anymore. Also, I've heard some great things about Dexter, but never got around to watching it, might have to watch it some time.

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Originally Posted by Apple2012

The one reason why Total Drama Island is bad for Cartoon Network is because of one of their characters (Courtney). This character is hot-tempered and sue-happy. Courtney from TDI is worse than a lot of animated characters (even Cartman). Cartoon Network would have been better without this charater. Another problem I find with her is she's too popular by the fans, but she got a lot of haters too.

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Originally Posted by Apple2012

I see your point, so I don't really get it why people are abandoning the show just because of one character. I can understand the whole Courtney thing, but it's still rediculous. I looked at a poll on Fanpop, and according to the poll, Total Drama Action was the most hated season of the entire show. Courtney had too much screen time (and she's being very mean and rude), other characters have been destroyed, and the show has lost creativity with this season. Most shows are okay to have the same characters from season to season, but Total Drama Island is an example of one show that is better if the previous cast is dropped out as a new cast is introduced. I'm glad Courtney's gone as of TDROTI, but the show is still on the same location it was a long time ago. Whatever you say actually is true drama, but Courtney seems to be too much.

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Now that's something I don't get, too. How could the "Total Drama" series be avoided, all because of this bossy, rude girl, just like how could "The Phantom Menace" was abandoned by that clumsy, CGI, rabbit-like creature. In addition, Courtney's only on the second half of TDA (she was also on the aftermath episodes in the season's first half). Well, I agree that TDA seemed to make the series lost it's great creativity, but some casts are still going strong, which is why I found this season to be good but not great. The other reason that TDWT is an okay season is that I think we seen enough of the original contestants as they don't seem to be interesting anymore (With the exception of DJ thought he's cursed, Ezekiel turned into a Gollum-like creature, and Heather's at her best in TDWT). At least the series is refreshed with an all-new cast in TDRI, and it has its creativity back.

the Winter Olympics...

Pushing daisies really went downhill - first series was honestly one of the most interesting TV crime dramas I have seen. Luther's amazing though if you like TV crim dramas. And what's with all the adventure time hatin'? I loves me some adventure time!http://www.artofthetitle.com/2010/10/12/adventure-time/

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Originally Posted by flamingemu

Pushing daisies really went downhill - first series was honestly one of the most interesting TV crime dramas I have seen. Luther's amazing though if you like TV crim dramas. And what's with all the adventure time hatin'? I loves me some adventure time!http://www.artofthetitle.com/2010/10/12/adventure-time/

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Really? I really enjoyed Pushing Daisies, and thought that both seasons were great. Still, it's been a while since I saw that show, I might just have to take some time to re-watch parts of Season 2 to see what you mean. Oh, and I've watched a bit of Luther, only some, but I loved what I saw. :)

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Pushing daisies was excelently orriginal right until the end. season 2 is different yeas, due to the show having to evolve as it has a fairly simple premise. the on going dwight dixon story line during the series as an example of how the show is able to carry side stories very successfully. I'm still waiting on the possibility of a season 3... :'(
I'd say doctor who has gone downhill recently. The actors are great as are the sets and even storylines basic ideas, however the writing has become very poor, and episodes are forced to finnish abruptly in order to fit within the time restraints. longer episodes also often seem to try to cram in a whole bunch of ideas that really don't fit together leading to massive headaches.
I'd also say primeval has been going down scince season 2. the team is not as strong as it was, connor isn't as fun, and all the new technology they havemakes it less fun overall

maybe I need to re-watch season 2 of pushing daisies?
And yes, doctor who is only watched currently by me, because of nostalgia I suppose and waiting for it to get good. Same with Primeval, but torchwood is still good thank god!

Doctor Who has, on multiple occasions, (recently at least) been a hit or miss kinda show. Overall, I enjoyed Season 5 a lot more than Season 6, as Season 6's overall story was more unbalanced, not as cool, and had a way less satisfying ending than Season 5 did, but it still had it's moments, like "The girl who waited", "The Doctor's Wife", etc., but it had too many flops, and the Christmas special was an absolute failure. :/

The Office
Family Guy
American Dad
Simpsons

Basically anything in the comedy genre other than Archer which is the only show that manages to keep me in stitches every episode.

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Originally Posted by Nick930930

Family Guy

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1 good episode per season.

I am starting to wonder. On the first few posts, some were telling us that Spongebob is going downhill. The question is: When did Spongebob start going downhill. On some forums, people say that it's been going downhill since 2005. That's seven years then. I say that's a depression. A show going downhill for seven years is a lot.

^I got bored of the series around the same time you say some people consider to be the start of the series's downhill drop. I think it's safe to say seasons 1-3 were the best of the show.

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Originally Posted by BIGGamerer

^I got bored of the series around the same time you say some people consider to be the start of the series's downhill drop. I think it's safe to say seasons 1-3 were the best of the show.

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Back on TV.com, that's what people say. Season 4 had a lot of criticism, Season 5 had more, and Season 6 had even more. What's even more interesting: the movie was after Season 3 but before Season 4. So I got to say that the show is going downhill since the movie.

@Everyone who posts on this topic:

I found out why Cartoon Network is accepting the live action trash. It's probably because of these three reasons:

1. Goosebumps is live action animated.
2. The shows on CN Real are like Total Drama Island.
3. Nick and Disney are accepting live-action animated shows.

Here are my counter-arguments for the reasons.

1. Goosebumps is live action animated. - Kids love Goosebumps, but they hate the shows on CN Real. It's because kids are into cartoons and they do not like live-action TV shows or the fact that Cartoon Network is accepting live-action TV shows. The only difference is that kids like Goosebumps, and Goosebumps is more known for it's horror theme, not the live-action animation.
2. The shows on CN Real are like Total Drama Island. - I have to admit that Total Drama Island was good when I saw it in 2008, and it was Cartoon Network's #1 highest rated show in 2008. Some shows on CN real are related to TDI in some way, but it doesn't mean CN should accept them. Survive This would be a good show for the Discovery Channel or something, but not for Cartoon Network, even if it wasn't live-action, but I do admit it's better as live-action. It's a survival show like TDI, but not a game show. Destroy Build Destroy is a game show, and I think it survived the longest out of all CN Real shows. Even if it was the best of CN Real (still not good for CN), TDI was better because everytime a team loses, one person gets sent away till one remains. CN believed the rest of the shows would be good, but they failed. The only difference is that kids like Total Drama Island. In fact, even Total Drama Action failed when it went along with the shows on CN Real.
3. Nick and Disney are accepting live action animated shows. - Nick and Disney are both making the wrong turn, so why would Cartoon Network follow them? Live action shows are acceptable on Disney because it wasn't meant for only cartoons. Good thing they made an alternative channel. Same for Nick. It wasn't just for cartoons, but Nicktoons is. I think we mentioned this 10^6 times, but it's not live-action network, it's Cartoon Network.

CN Real isn't the first time Cartoon Network messed up and accepted a live-action show. Do you remember Out of Jimmy's Head? If not, I can explain. Out of Jimmy's Head was a spin-off from the movie Re-animated. Not only it's live-action, but it's live-action MIXED with cartoon characters. Bad for kids, bad for adults, teens hate it the most. In fact, it was taken off the air due to its unpopularity. No new episodes, no re-runs, no nothing about Out of Jimmy's Head. I do like Out of Jimmy's Head, but I see the points of those who don't.

Accepting live-action animated TV shows was the biggest mistake Cartoon Network made, but they accepted other shows that ruined the channel.

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[...] I found out why Cartoon Network is accepting the live action trash. It's probably because of these three reasons: [...]

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You hit it right on the nose.

What ever happened to the good cartoons like Courage, Foster's Home, Grim Adventures, and even Chowder? I miss that CartoonNetwork...

I feel like Adventure Time is the only thing keeping CN alive. :/

It's not Cartoon Network thats going downhill its you outgrowing their programming it happens to everyone. The stuff we grow up with is always the best stuff and most of the stuff beyond a certain point is going to seem crap because you're not in the target demographic and there's no associated nostalgia. There's always 1 or 2 shows that trancend their intended audience but overall you will drift away from the network and a new batch of people will make the same complaints about another batch of content.

As for live action networks eventually try stuff that isn't what their name sugests they should be showing if the stuff is successful they may rebrand the network

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Originally Posted by Rabid-Coot

It's not Cartoon Network thats going downhill its you outgrowing their programming it happens to everyone. The stuff we grow up with is always the best stuff and most of the stuff beyond a certain point is going to seem crap because you're not in the target demographic and there's no associated nostalgia. There's always 1 or 2 shows that trancend their intended audience but overall you will drift away from the network and a new batch of people will make the same complaints about another batch of content.

As for live action networks eventually try stuff that isn't what their name sugests they should be showing if the stuff is successful they may rebrand the network

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Well, you do make a good point there, and of course, we all have our own opinions. I personally think that a lot of newer shows are less witty than some of the older shows, and at times can feel a bit more 'dumbed down' for the general audiences.

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Originally Posted by Nick930930

The Office
Family Guy
American Dad
Simpsons

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I think American Dad stayed hilarious, maybe even got a little better.

And 90's Cartoon Network was fantastic, I saw a programming schedule the other day (not the full thing, only a short list) and it seems they've completely forgotten that the demographic who watch that channel don't laugh at every appropriate moment, they don't find whatever is on to be as funny as the previous/next show, it was underestimating the comedic appreciation of people today. What next? They'll bring in... educational shows...

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Originally Posted by Rabid-Coot

It's not Cartoon Network thats going downhill its you outgrowing their programming it happens to everyone. The stuff we grow up with is always the best stuff and most of the stuff beyond a certain point is going to seem crap because you're not in the target demographic and there's no associated nostalgia. There's always 1 or 2 shows that trancend their intended audience but overall you will drift away from the network and a new batch of people will make the same complaints about another batch of content.

As for live action networks eventually try stuff that isn't what their name sugests they should be showing if the stuff is successful they may rebrand the network

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Somebody on TV.com also said this. The channel is targeted towards ages 6 to 12. You're right that everyone can be a kid only once, and when they grow up, they should be done with Cartoon Network.

However, I can prove you wrong in some fields. How did these shows turn out:

Squirrel Boy
George of the Jungle (new version)
Chop Socky Chooks
Out of Jimmy's Head
CN Real (6 shows)
Unnatural History
League of Super Evil

They all turned out to be bad. Not only adults are too old for these as teens hate these shows, but kids hate them too. The kids are always interested into cartoons while they aren't into live-action shows. As for the shows League of Super Evil, Chop Socky Chooks, the newer George of the Jungle (2008), and Squirrel Boy, kids don't like these shows either. Some TV shows (even for the cartoons), would fail to appeal to kids when they go on Cartoon Network.

Another thing I say in response to your post: it actually reminds me of something. If older shows were better than the newer ones, then what would the even earlier audience think of the older shows when they watch the "even-older shows" (like 1992 to 1996)? I bet they like the shows at their time, but not shows like Courage the Cowardly Dog or Ed, Edd, and Eddy. And what if the later audience (1999 to 2003) watch the old shows again. They would probably not be interested anymore. Of course, the newer audience (2008 to present) would not like to see the older shows. Every show has their own part of play, and everyone has their own time of being a child, so if we introduce the older shows to the newer audience, then one of the three outcomes is possible. It could be that kids like the older shows better (makes CN look like it's going downhill again), it could be that there's no difference (they're kids, and they're still young enough to watch cartoons), or they would not like the older cartoons (different shows are good for their time and for the audience who watch it).

As I have to continue to the last paragraph, I felt the same way for South Park. I started watching in 2009, but when I saw the earlier episodes (like 1997), I can see how different the show was, and it's clear that South Park has came this far. And it turns out...I like the older episodes more, but newer South Park fans won't. If they started watching in one era, like I said before, they wouldn't like the episodes that weren't around their time, they would like the older ones more, or they have no difference by season.

Having some bad shows that fail is perfectly normal for a network.

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Originally Posted by Rabid-Coot

Having some bad shows that fail is perfectly normal for a network.

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It is normal to accept shows that mess up the channel, especially at this time. Cartoon Network just became "Live Action Network", History Channel isn't going to be about history anymore, and Nickelodeon is now "Spongebob and iCarly Network".

Now every channel has their own flaw, even if it doesn't mean "going downhill" or "dying".

Cartoon Network has WAY too many commercial time.
Nickelodeon is obsessed with marathons.
Disney Channel is never as good as the Disney films.
Sy-Fy was a misspelling of sci-fi.

Anything else?

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Originally Posted by Rabid-Coot

Having some bad shows that fail is perfectly normal for a network.

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But only the best channels can have 100% bad shows!
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Originally Posted by Apple2012

It is normal to accept shows that mess up the channel, especially at this time. Cartoon Network just became "Live Action Network", History Channel isn't going to be about history anymore, and Nickelodeon is now "Spongebob and iCarly Network".

Now every channel has their own flaw, even if it doesn't mean "going downhill" or "dying".

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You forget that the internet wasn't as widely used as it is nowadays. Television networks need to compete a growing source of entertainment and massive library of media.

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Cartoon Network has WAY too many commercial time.

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It's how they make money.

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Nickelodeon is obsessed with marathons.

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Because it works.

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Disney Channel is never as good as the Disney films.

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They have different departments for each one, and each one is entirely different in the sense of one being made for 1-2 hour(s) viewing and the other made for years of active content.

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Sy-Fy was a misspelling of sci-fi.

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Please tell me you were trying to make a joke here, because I can't even begin wrapping my head that statement.

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Originally Posted by CyberSora

You forget that the internet wasn't as widely used as it is nowadays. Television networks need to compete a growing source of entertainment and massive library of media.



It's how they make money.



Because it works.



They have different departments for each one, and each one is entirely different in the sense of one being made for 1-2 hour(s) viewing and the other made for years of active content.



Please tell me you were trying to make a joke here, because I can't even begin wrapping my head that statement.

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Only half of what I said were minor flaws. On the other half, the Disney one was opinionated by me and the Sy-Fy one was a joke. Misspelling is a common way of naming brands (like Monsterz instead of Monsters). And only 100% of what you say is true.

What happened to Drake and Josh? They NEED to revive it. (No I'm not stupid, Kenan And Kel was the first evolution, and it WAS better.) And what happened to Spongebob? Back then, the humor was actually aimed from 8- 100 year old people! Everyone laughed! Now it's all about stupid tales, and hideously bad ideas. The creators of spongebob, please admit you ran out of ideas?

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Originally Posted by SuperROBO1

What happened to Drake and Josh? They NEED to revive it.

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The show was getting too old and so were the actors playing the characters. Drake Bell and Josh Peck wanted to pursue careers in other industries (mainly movies), so the ended the show.

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(No I'm not stupid, Kenan And Kel was the first evolution, and it WAS better.)

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Everything's better when you're a kid. It's debatable.

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And what happened to Spongebob? Back then, the humor was actually aimed from 8- 100 year old people! Everyone laughed! Now it's all about stupid tales, and hideously bad ideas. The creators of spongebob, please admit you ran out of ideas?

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Well, Nick's target demographic is children, so Spongebob caters to them almost specifically. Besides, the show has been on for more than 10 years. They had to run out of good ideas eventually.

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Originally Posted by CyberSora

Well, Nick's target demographic is children, so Spongebob caters to them almost specifically. Besides, the show has been on for more than 10 years. They had to run out of good ideas eventually.

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Derek Drymon is in charge now. Stephen Hillenberg used to be in charge of Spongebob, but since he left, Derek Drymon took over. The old writers left and the new writers took over. With these guys, they changed the show. Spongebob is stupider than it was before because of the new writers. All of the good ideas ran out since 2005/2006.