Better idea for the new update.

I saw LBP's post on Facebook this morning about 1.12, and it seems to me that all this will do is help all the ***** that copy the shark/bomb/train/whatever survivals and infect the cool page, and the people that spam for hearts with their H4H crap *cough*latinplayer10*cough* more than it will help actual creators. Taking the yay/boo rating system out and setting an option to disable reviews and comments will only remove the possibility of bad feedback and ratings on the aforementioned trash pile. What I think they really should be doing, which would be a very fast fix to all the corruption, is instead of disabling boos and feedback, go through their entire server system and filter out anything that has a title of 'free', 'copyable', 'survival', etc. and take them all down, then remove the ability to copy levels altogether. If they chose to go so far, they could even wipe hearts on all the spammers' profiles. Also, taking all of these levels down means taking them off the community, not your moon, and they'd probably give you some kind of couple-day warning so you could get your stuff saved in time. this way if you have a good creative non-copied original survival type game (ex. the temple trials, clockworx), you can republish it after the fallout. As far as I've found, the only reason people copy levels is to get plays and hearts, or if they're glitch levels, and even then the few glitches that need a level to be copied in order to use them are only the tutorial backgrounds. I could go without those if they removed the crap and disabled copying.

Really hoping MM looks at this suggestions board, because this is what they need to do. Not take out the ability to rate something down.

Maybe a feature to disable republishing copied levels would be better.

The garbage pile needs to be handled with much more subtlety then a simple filter would allow. The problem with the proposed filters is that if I were to make levels titled "To Free an Ideal," "A Copyable Soul," or "Survival of Benjamin Rose," those levels would be removed by the filter. Instead, the filter for check for things like duplicate levels on a single profile's planet, and require a name, level badge, description, and tags. That may be easy to circumvent, but it makes it less convenient to spam, and won't make things worse for legitimate players. Also, players should be able to flag spammers for verification by moderators.

As far as copied levels go, taking away the copy function outright would be a terrible move, as new builders would be unable to copy tutorial levels and group builders would have to either share PSN accounts or wait until the host account is online before they can work again. Making copying more... in depth, might solve the problem, but it may hinder legitimate players and not restrict the flow of garbage enough.

It really just comes down to the community as a whole to stop all the garbage. The best for those levels to go away, is if no-one plays them, but they do. However, for those of us who don't like garbage, MM has given us many tools to find what we're looking for, and there are ways to easily find the gems in the mountain of trash.

Whoops, bad timing lol. Yeah I didn't think of the multiple builders thing. Then, they should make it so you can only copy something if you're PSN friends with that person. That would work better. Also when I said remove anything with that in the title I meant just for the one time, and it only gets removed from your earth so you can republish it. I guess they could also just take off anything that's actually set to copyable.

A big clean-up would be nice, but unfortunately some of the collateral damage will never be made up for, as some of the creators have stopped playing the game and thus will not repost the level. :( As I said, there are a lot of little factors that have to be accounted for, or more harm than good may be done. That's not to say there's no way to improve it though, and being a community based game (does that make us communists?) it's good that we keep voicing our opinions on what does/doesn't need change. It gives MM a better idea of what should be done.

[QUOTE=Eanikran;998014]I saw LBP's post on Facebook this morning about 1.12, and it seems to me that all this will do is help all the ***** that copy the shark/bomb/train/whatever survivals and infect the cool page, and the people that spam for hearts with their H4H crap *cough*latinplayer10*cough* more than it will help actual creators. Taking the yay/boo rating system out and setting an option to disable reviews and comments will only remove the possibility of bad feedback and ratings on the aforementioned trash pile. What I think they really should be doing, which would be a very fast fix to all the corruption, is instead of disabling boos and feedback, go through their entire server system and filter out anything that has a title of 'free', 'copyable', 'survival', etc. and take them all down, then remove the ability to copy levels altogether. If they chose to go so far, they could even wipe hearts on all the spammers' profiles.
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My idea for the soluation is at the bottom I will put a * next to it but I think you might agree and like that idea

a complete system overhaul filtering out and removing materials, then setting up a new system online where they can test and control what levels are put up online, I have heard this time and time again on LBP but this thoery only works on paper for these reasons,

<> 1st of all, do you remember how long it took for the playstation network to get up and running after they got hacked. I know it is a bigger system but just imagine how long it takes for your computer to scan for virus's or now there are over 6 million levels on LBP in total, the scanning for that would takes hours, then they will have too, then they would have to play through these levels to comfirm they are indeed copied levels, which could take days when you think how much there are. they got to create a new server with stricter censor rules, test it, then change the terms and condations for the game. Now that would take anything from 1 days to even years. so it isn't really a quick soluation. and it isn't really worth doing that for a game which has already brought in the most of it's consumers

<>2nd. they will have to create a new server and a new system, they will also have to hire official testers to test the game before sending it out to the public as it could have faults which would surprise you, like the god glitch in LBP2 beta which forget about just copying level it allowed peopel to copy everything within the levels as there own. but the cost of these things can end up making the game uneconomical

<> 3rd. there are worse things then free give aways, copied levels and survival challenges. I seen levels which is a enterence on top of a scoreboard. these won't get picked up on your filtering, then they too will start over running the cool wall.

<> 4th. All that a side their are people who enjoy these levels and don't care thus how they get to the cool walls in the first place and some of these people call me, you, and the rest the bad guys for wanting the copied levels off the network. which puts MM at a draw of what to do. which is probably the reason they are disabling comments because 'us'
we are really cruel to copiers and it just doesn't help at all when we start swearing and saying hurtful remarks, even bullying a 'bad person' is still wrong and anti bullying laws would state that it is MM's fault for not preventing that.

<> 5th. This is like saying to people they don't not have the freedom of speach, if you have ever quoted someone you have copied and stolen what they have said. like people who post the arrow to the knee joke, you may hate it but they haven't broken any laws so they have a right to do it. And MM pretty much state that little big planet is a place where your free to upload whatever you want as long as you follow the terms and condations of the game, and sadly copying and republishing levels are within the terms and condations

but I do have a recomended soluation that you may agree with instead of this update

*The problem is the cool wall is inaffective at finding fun levels which is because they based it on the global veiws and it is mash of every level online put in order of how many plays it has had over how long it had been uploaded for. instead of this I think they should seperate levels into different catagories this should be done by the user who uploads it and should only be allowed into 1 of these catagories. So it is easier and more convient to find exactly what you want to play. there should be a daily refreshed cool wall which pick random levels from the server reguardless of age or plays which will allow you do try something new when you don't like picking from catagories. that is more ideal than the cool wall

But another problem is lack of user control, this issue is the biggest problem in little big planet. As if I know decided to stalker and bully another member of LBP there isn't anything the community member could do about it. I know they could report me but deppening on how I could about it you could avoid being banned and carry on. I never would don't. So what I think this game needs which you would probably agree is a 'block' creator button which I would call an unwelcome button. say now I don't want to see latinplayers levels I would just block him and his levels would no longer be visable to me, that would probably be as much effort as adding a disable comment section, it would protect people against bullying. and make it so you would see exactly what you want to see. It is a win win. and it would allow latin player to keep his 'fans' and you won't have to see another one of his levels again and if you block enough people you won't have to see a copied level again

OR even just put in an advanced search option to the cool wall and make it so you can filter out words in your searchs which would be easiler that just go through the whole system removing them.

I know I have writen alot here and I do sounds cocky and bigheaded so I am sorry if you find anything I say offensive but I am only trying to help and I am on your side if you think myself I got problems with what I have said please reply with quotes and I hope to that MM does something to stop people ruining the game.

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Originally Posted by RagTagPwner

A big clean-up would be nice, but unfortunately some of the collateral damage will never be made up for, as some of the creators have stopped playing the game and thus will not repost the level. :( As I said, there are a lot of little factors that have to be accounted for, or more harm than good may be done. That's not to say there's no way to improve it though, and being a community based game (does that make us communists?) it's good that we keep voicing our opinions on what does/doesn't need change. It gives MM a better idea of what should be done.

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Actually off topic when you said 'being a community based game (does that make us communists?)' is actually the complete oppisite of communism, communism is comes follows marxism which is based on the idea that everybody gets an equal share, everyone is treated equally. to say does that make us nazi's (which was a dictorship) is more correct but what we are doing is actually within the right of everybody in the western world. which is the right of protest and freedom of speach we aren't trying to force change by means of violence what we are doing is asking for change which is the very basis that dimmocary was formed on. Being british like MM I can tell you that the only law we break but doing what we do is when. we start swearing in comments, or when we start getting really offerensive with our levels and posts as it is bullying, even kill justin biether levels are technicly bullying and breaking laws, these laws are both present in britian and american. It is our diplomatic right to complain, by very defination, dimocary was formed so that if something isn't working or isn't right, the public has a right to speak up and base there opinions until the problem is fixed. If someone actually wanted to they can get MM to change LBP using the legal system by getting I think it is 10 sigintures and sending it to court.

So not doesn't make us communists it actually makes us dimocasy loving citizens of the little big planet community. if we did wanted everyone to have a fair chance and then stated that every level is equal due to the fact they all have effort put into them then you could say we have a more communistic way of thinking

Yeah, I see where you're coming from, it would probably take a while to filter out all the copied stuff. It wouldn't (I'm guessing anyway) be actual people sorting through them though, I'm sure there's some kind of indication hidden deep within the game code that knows if a level's been copied. but it definitely would be easier to add world filters, or maybe even a filter that makes it so no copied anything or copyable anything gets shown (it's be nice if you could save such filters and have them always apply to whatever search you do, whenever you do it). I've also wanted a block option for so long, it's not even funny. I think MM is too intent on completely 100% eliminating hurt feelings on LBP, even if it means suffocating us with mortal kombat, that's why there hasn't been a block button yet. but they really need to leave yays and boos in, at the very least. whatever way you think about it, some changes need to happen so this can stop. They need to be more like DICE. They respond to peoples' posts on their facebook page and if somebody alerts them of a glitch, problem, etc, they actually do something about it. Earlier today, I put up a level about the new update and how it's probably just gonna make things worse for legit creators, and I got a guy dropping a comment on my profile saying 'fgt', from a Schnebeli96, so I went and looked on his profile, here's what it said: ""everyone sucks. h4h is cool. lolz. H4H = i heart you, you heart me back (; ------ soooo many stupid kiddies hate H4H. lolz. with H4H i make kiddies angry (; i know, im bad o.o---- oh and Mm is lolz :D""

It's the little ****s like this that are ruining the game for everyone, and it will only get worse unless MM does something about it.

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Originally Posted by Eanikran

Yeah, I see where you're coming from, it would probably take a while to filter out all the copied stuff. It wouldn't (I'm guessing anyway) be actual people sorting through them though, I'm sure there's some kind of indication hidden deep within the game code that knows if a level's been copied. but it definitely would be easier to add world filters, or maybe even a filter that makes it so no copied anything or copyable anything gets shown (it's be nice if you could save such filters and have them always apply to whatever search you do, whenever you do it). I've also wanted a block option for so long, it's not even funny. I think MM is too intent on completely 100% eliminating hurt feelings on LBP, even if it means suffocating us with mortal kombat, that's why there hasn't been a block button yet. but they really need to leave yays and boos in, at the very least. whatever way you think about it, some changes need to happen so this can stop. They need to be more like DICE. They respond to peoples' posts on their facebook page and if somebody alerts them of a glitch, problem, etc, they actually do something about it. Earlier today, I put up a level about the new update and how it's probably just gonna make things worse for legit creators, and I got a guy dropping a comment on my profile saying 'fgt', from a Schnebeli96, so I went and looked on his profile, here's what it said: ""everyone sucks. h4h is cool. lolz. H4H = i heart you, you heart me back (; ------ soooo many stupid kiddies hate H4H. lolz. with H4H i make kiddies angry (; i know, im bad o.o---- oh and Mm is lolz :D""

It's the little ****s like this that are ruining the game for everyone, and it will only get worse unless MM does something about it.

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I completely agree with everything you say but block buttons, filter opinions, and a more advanced cool wall that is sub divided and a more advanced search would make the game much more enjoyable for everyone. so called 'trolls' would never have to appear on game unless you want them too, as long as the game itself doesn't notify them that they been blocked I don't see any harm in it

But I logged on to the cool wall today after the patch, and lately it seemed better than usual, this patch has caused so many people who to publish empty levels, return the boos levels and no one wants to seem to make a good level, I honestly don't want to play even the MM picks anymore I used to be able to feel like I can say that I could express my opinions with just a boo ( don't recommend) but now I physically have to write it which is more offencesive in my opinion. I am starting to think I should just delete my saved data take down my levels and straight up quit because tbh LBP is just not fun anymore.

exactly^^^. Like I said, LBP1 is gone, it's overrun, but LBP2 can be spared if MM really wanted to spare it. I think it'd be good they don't let people copy at all in LBP3. if teams want to work on projects, use backup files and transfer them over email.

Well funny you should say LBP 1 because I did alittle test on that game and finished unloaded some of my levels and within a day it got 3rd on the LBP1 cool wall and 1000 plays, so I think if we all just uploaded 1 levels to LBP1 at the same time it might help reverse the over run.

I think MM should introduce sending level VIA messages it may be difficult but I am sure there must be a way or sony should let me copy my profile onto another user.

As far as I know it's up to the game devs to set whether or not their game data can be transferred between different ps's and/or accounts, I can copy backups from LBP but rockband saves grey out the copy option. yeah, it'd probably be pretty tough to transfer them through messages as level files can get pretty big but I think something like that would be best rather than the whole copyable thing in-game. On top of that, I think there should be settings in the global page while you're in create where you set specifically what PSN accounts have access to the level for editing and publishing, and the original creator only. I.E. user1 makes a level, sets create permissions to user2 and user3. passes the file to them through email or whatever. user2 and user3 cannot change create permissions, only user1.

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Originally Posted by Eanikran

As far as I know it's up to the game devs to set whether or not their game data can be transferred between different ps's and/or accounts, I can copy backups from LBP but rockband saves grey out the copy option. yeah, it'd probably be pretty tough to transfer them through messages as level files can get pretty big but I think something like that would be best rather than the whole copyable thing in-game. On top of that, I think there should be settings in the global page while you're in create where you set specifically what PSN accounts have access to the level for editing and publishing, and the original creator only. I.E. user1 makes a level, sets create permissions to user2 and user3. passes the file to them through email or whatever. user2 and user3 cannot change create permissions, only user1.

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I think I get where your coming from like promision barriers but they would probably mess it up by putting an everyone setting on it, from the start I thought the copy level setting should of been allow to copy and see logic and how people go about doing things but not have be allowed to be repubished, and when trying to save anythign within the level it should just do the same thing as they do when you don't have the correct DLC

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I think I get where your coming from like promision barriers but they would probably mess it up by putting an everyone setting on it, from the start I thought the copy level setting should of been allow to copy and see logic and how people go about doing things but not have be allowed to be repubished, and when trying to save anythign within the level it should just do the same thing as they do when you don't have the correct DLC

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Yeah, that's what I though it should have been in the first place. just like an 'explore mode' type thing, where the only thing you can do is fly around like in create, open/close chips, and hide/unhide stuff. I just posted in another thread, instead of copying at all, there should be an option to publish under construction, where anyone in the permissions can go into create on the level while it's on your earth and edit/whatever, but not publish. when they save, it gets transferred to the original owner to review and they and only they can decide whether to publish it, adjust the changes, or void the entire last create session, which would revert the level back to how it was before that person started editing it. basically, user1 makes level, permissions for user2, publishes it in WIP mode. user2 goes to user1's earth, goes into the level, adds whatever, saves it, the changes do not get published. meanwhile, user1 gets a notification, he goes in and can see the changes user2 made. he can adjust them, or void them, causing the level to drop back to how it was the last time user1 saved it.

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Originally Posted by lemurboy12

Maybe a feature to disable republishing copied levels would be better.

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More read only, since they could just capture and copy, god-gltch style

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Originally Posted by Shadowriver

More read only, since they could just capture and copy, god-gltch style

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Yeah, but the people who usually do all this republishing, you think they'd actually try and take the time?

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Yeah, but the people who usually do all this republishing, you think they'd actually try and take the time?

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Nope, to them every second they're not republishing another mortal kombat means they're losing hearts, which amount to oh so much when you just ask for them.

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Originally Posted by Eanikran

Yeah, that's what I though it should have been in the first place. just like an 'explore mode' type thing, where the only thing you can do is fly around like in create, open/close chips, and hide/unhide stuff. I just posted in another thread, instead of copying at all, there should be an option to publish under construction, where anyone in the permissions can go into create on the level while it's on your earth and edit/whatever, but not publish. when they save, it gets transferred to the original owner to review and they and only they can decide whether to publish it, adjust the changes, or void the entire last create session, which would revert the level back to how it was before that person started editing it. basically, user1 makes level, permissions for user2, publishes it in WIP mode. user2 goes to user1's earth, goes into the level, adds whatever, saves it, the changes do not get published. meanwhile, user1 gets a notification, he goes in and can see the changes user2 made. he can adjust them, or void them, causing the level to drop back to how it was the last time user1 saved it.

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that gets technical tbh I think which I doubt if they did do this they would just disable the ablity to copy and just expect the people who work in teams to share 1 account. and there are people who enjoy copied levels and really reguardless of how much we are against it, we don't really have a right to deny them of that, But I think a simple mute button would survice,

I know a short list people I would mute, if they enjoy making people angry well if everyone who gets angry at them mutes them then he would quickly get bored of his game and maybe that would be enough to contribute to some change in how trolls play the game