Minecraft

I don't know, Kern. I'd be willing to sell gravel, saplings and other useless guff that you end up hoarding by the thousands, and then use the money to buy more useful stuff like iron and foods. And with the new coins, you wouldn't need currency mods in multiplayer servers!

Although I think the Testificates shouldn't sell uncommon stuff like diamonds, ender pearls, and potion ingredients you get from the nether. Hunting for these rarer items is one of the thrills of Survival mode.

And who knows, maybe in the future we'll have other kinds of testificates besides general merchants. Apparently the color of a testificate's robes or apron dictates its profession. Maybe the villages will have actual blacksmiths, butchers and, uh... prostitutes?

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Originally Posted by SnipySev

I don't know, Kern. I'd be willing to sell gravel, saplings and other useless guff that you end up hoarding by the thousands, and then use the money to buy more useful stuff like iron and foods. And with the new coins, you wouldn't need currency mods in multiplayer servers!

Although I think the Testificates shouldn't sell uncommon stuff like diamonds, ender pearls, and potion ingredients you get from the nether. Hunting for these rarer items is one of the thrills of Survival mode.

And who knows, maybe in the future we'll have other kinds of testificates besides general merchants. Apparently the color of a testificate's robes or apron dictates its profession. Maybe the villages will have actual blacksmiths, butchers and, uh... prostitutes?

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That's all it will be, is a way to dump rubbish instead of fire.

I'm sure that if they are implementing trading, they will make it useful now or then. Also, the coins will be useful as currency for vanilla servers (and even bukkit servers that fancy it). I do hope it takes a exclusive part in the inventory, like armor.

Two things: testificates selling enchanted items (so you can get that silk touch pick by money other than luck), and selling books (that will become a pain in the botto to make, unless the drop rate of leather is increased).

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Originally Posted by SnipySev

I don't know, Kern. I'd be willing to sell gravel, saplings and other useless guff that you end up hoarding by the thousands, and then use the money to buy more useful stuff like iron and foods. And with the new coins, you wouldn't need currency mods in multiplayer servers!

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Would you rather exchange yet another ore you have to mine for other items (most likely ores). The currency takes up precious inventory space. Or on a bukkit server you can have an economy where you can trade with players, the potential to trade with NPC's if a person makes that mod, and you can buy items from chests and receive money drops from mobs.

This currency will never be as good as ones created by the community.

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Originally Posted by tanrockstan34

Would you rather exchange yet another ore you have to mine for other items (most likely ores). The currency takes up precious inventory space. Or on a bukkit server you can have an economy where you can trade with players, the potential to trade with NPC's if a person makes that mod, and you can buy items from chests and receive money drops from mobs.

This currency will never be as good as ones created by the community.

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You don't know that. You're just making assumptions. What if the coins are crafted from an ore that already exists? What if the only way to obtain them is by selling stuff to NPC's? What if they have their own designated slot like gdn said?

Many mp servers using existing ores as currency, which isn't ideal. Gold, diamond and lapis lazuli are too rare, coal and glowstone dust are too common, redstone and iron are too useful. This is the kind of thing that needs to be done by Mojang if we want it to universal and properly balanced.

I, personally, think this is better than what we have right now. ._. I did like the gills currency, however.....

But the new ore and gravel texture look awesome, and I always need new stuff in my inventory :D

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Originally Posted by SnipySev

You don't know that. You're just making assumptions. What if the coins are crafted from an ore that already exists? What if the only way to obtain them is by selling stuff to NPC's? What if they have their own designated slot like gdn said?

Many mp servers using existing ores as currency, which isn't ideal. Gold, diamond and lapis lazuli are too rare, coal and glowstone dust are too common, redstone and iron are too useful. This is the kind of thing that needs to be done by Mojang if we want it to universal and properly balanced.

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The main point is, it'll be far too easy to get money. So you'll end up with a repetition of the 1.7.3 server where everyone had absurd amounts of money

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfmA8Mzl2L4

would this be worth exploring (it's-a-pun!) as a replacement for Heroes?

EDIT!: works a charm, the dungeons will kill many people. only issue i really see is that they are kind of....loud, what with all the zombies banging on doors.

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Originally Posted by Kern

The main point is, it'll be far too easy to get money. So you'll end up with a repetition of the 1.7.3 server where everyone had absurd amounts of money

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Again, we don't know that. We don't know how rare or how valuable the currency is going to be.

Jeez guys, have some faith.

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Originally Posted by Memodrix

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfmA8Mzl2L4

would this be worth exploring (it's-a-pun!) as a replacement for Heroes?

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I'm not too keen on the idea. Especially if the dungeon builds right through someone's secret underground home or something. Plus I don't see how the abilities can replace mcmmo or heroes... Not to mention the dungeons look pretty **** plain :I

once i see why hawk-eye is throwing 90 million null pointer exceptions i'll turn the server back on and let you's people play in the test dungeon. And they are kinda plain, but they are a challenge with rewards and stuff. Stuff to do!

also it specifically says that it avoids caves and pretty much anything that isn't a natural block.

Im pretty cool with the catacomb idea, probably wont use it a whole bunch. But, if we had a choice between a bunch of different plugins for the server, I wouldn't choose it.

Perhaps only mods should be able to make them, then? Because otherwise, everyone can just make instant houses, and have instant goodies wherever they are, and of course destroy people's creations with the catacombs.

I propose bringing Mcmmo back, and you and I can sort the configurations out to make sure they're all equal. If, with testing, we find that there are still unfair aspects, I can easily go in and fix it up.

But in general, I think the server was more fun with mcmmo. Definitely familiar, too. I'm looking into the specs and configs now, and already I can see that all blocks that aren't ores (mining) should produce the same amount (30), as should all kinds of logs (woodcutting) etc. (for example, herbalism is massively overpowered, but Kernel and I can work out a fair XP amount for everything.)

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Originally Posted by Memodrix

once i see why hawk-eye is throwing 90 million null pointer exceptions i'll turn the server back on and let you's people play in the test dungeon. And they are kinda plain, but they are a challenge with rewards and stuff. Stuff to do!

also it specifically says that it avoids caves and pretty much anything that isn't a natural block.

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Getting to the end was supposed to be a challenge *glares at Mags*

me and mags just dug around a bit in the test dungeon. i think i made it waaaay to big. otherwise fun. and yea. i do suspect the thing to do now is throw mcmmo back on and see what happens....


also, we are now using core protect, as it is the only system other than guardian that doesn't do naughty things to the server. and guardian is still buggy.

Just went through 2 catacombs with Memo. It's actually a really cool plugin! :D

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Originally Posted by Kern

Getting to the end was supposed to be a challenge *glares at Mags*

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Im sorry wut

Anywaiz, yea, tested this plugin with memo. And, suprisingly, its actually pretty epic! The one we went in, however, was ginormous .-. Its pretty fun and easy tho if ya got enchanted sword and armour though :p. Oh, and if we enchant something, do we lose our levels again? D:

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Originally Posted by DominationMags

Im sorry wut

Anywaiz, yea, tested this plugin with memo. And, suprisingly, its actually pretty epic! The one we went in, however, was ginormous .-. Its pretty fun and easy tho if ya got enchanted sword and armour though :p. Oh, and if we enchant something, do we lose our levels again? D:

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You also lose more than two thirds of your exp when you die. Well, for me at least... I was 22, then died and dropped back to 6.

I'm up for McMMO again. It is a simpler alternative but I still think Heroes is more fun when properly configured.

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Originally Posted by tanrockstan34

I'm up for McMMO again. It is a simpler alternative but I still think Heroes is more fun when properly configured.

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Way ahead of you :) Kernel devised a set of XP values, and I applied them, tweaking some available commands and multipliers that gave people unfair advantages last time.

Anyway, Mcmmo is up! Use /mcc to access commands and such. No jobs as of yet, I don't believe.

the catacomb thing is fun, but it does have it's drawbacks, such as the fact that they have to be reset by an admin each time. But yea.

Also(!) since it automatically hooks in with Vault, you's get money for killing stuff in the dungeons. I think i need to turn down the amount, but it does work.

For some reason there has been severe lag. Even when you're the only one on the server. It eventually disconnects you. :/

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Originally Posted by Cory_7101995

For some reason there has been severe lag. Even when you're the only one on the server. It eventually disconnects you. :/

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That is most likely something server side with the host. Give it a few hours to work itself out. Happens every now and then.

Yes, the server is not available or won't let me connect.

Dayne, you need to tweak the exp a bit IMO. Acrobatics and Excavation are normal, while woodcutting and mining are super low. Chopping down a tree will only give you about 15 exp on average and one level takes roughly 1100. As there are 1000 levels to get... I think by the time we get a new world, people may get to level 10 in these skills. There is no point in mcMMO if these skills will take months to level up to 100 at least. Could we just have them at the defaults for each skill? We don't have jobs yet so there is no money problem. And, if people do start to get a lot of money when we get jobs, there could be inflation, or taxation.

My two cents.

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Originally Posted by tanrockstan34

My two cents.

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I see what you did there :/
Also, fishing too, is really slow. Maybe you could boost it up to 75 or 100 XP per fish? Right now it's at 20 per fish, which means 50 fish just for the first level. And we all know how fishing goes......

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Originally Posted by Octaviojrr

I see what you did there :/
Also, fishing too, is really slow. Maybe you could boost it up to 75 or 100 XP per fish? Right now it's at 20 per fish, which means 50 fish just for the first level. And we all know how fishing goes......

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I suggested 100 xp

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Originally Posted by tanrockstan34

Yes, the server is not available or won't let me connect.

Dayne, you need to tweak the exp a bit IMO. Acrobatics and Excavation are normal, while woodcutting and mining are super low. Chopping down a tree will only give you about 15 exp on average and one level takes roughly 1100. As there are 1000 levels to get... I think by the time we get a new world, people may get to level 10 in these skills. There is no point in mcMMO if these skills will take months to level up to 100 at least. Could we just have them at the defaults for each skill? We don't have jobs yet so there is no money problem. And, if people do start to get a lot of money when we get jobs, there could be inflation, or taxation.

My two cents.

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Yeah, I'll get around to it as soon as I can. I left it out for the moment because acrobatics is calculated on multipliers of the fall damage. I will work out a better multiplier when I can. Remind me if you see me online, though. As for excavation, I thought I'd already done that... I'll look into it!

And I was thinking that when Kernel did the xp with me. I'll multiply each current value by 10, more or less.

EDIT: I have edited the configs and XP gains etc.

Please keep an eye on XP and let me know if I've over / under done anything, or missed it altogether, and I'll try to sort it out :)


In regards to the lag, the server site seems to think it's CoreProtect causing the CPU usage. Since we don't use that anymore, could you remove it please Memo?

Pc minecraft > XBOX Minecraft

On second thoughts, Memo, please remove CoreProtect now. Console is throwing up an incredible amount of lag warnings ;_;

Exp is still taking a while to get, why isn't it just set at its default value?

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Originally Posted by tanrockstan34

Exp is still taking a while to get, why isn't it just set at its default value?

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Because it takes time to do things? :)

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Originally Posted by tanrockstan34

Exp is still taking a while to get, why isn't it just set at its default value?

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Because its default value was extortionate and unfair. When I get the time, I'll look at it again in depth.

In the meantime I have to look through yet another one of your episodes with Octaviojrr.

I'm not done yet, but I'll say this; Not everything is black and white, you know. Just because we said one thing under one set of circumstances, several maps ago, does not mean it applies to every map, and every situation.


EDIT: Right. All the commotion was that you basically found your way to the stronghold area, ignoring Octaviojrr when he asked you to leave, and then, to prove a point that "all strongholds are public", you decided to take ores from the mine Octavio CLEARLY stated was private. All the while stating "the stronghold is public".

You went on to argue with Octavio, trying to say the mine was part of the stronghold, which doesn't really need to be discussed because in my opinion, that stronghold classes as a sort of town. It would be pretty stupid to simply allow someone to run in and remove EVERYTHING of the stronghold, despite the fact people have settled there.

By the looks of it, people can visit it freely, but it is inhabited by at LEAST three players, so I'd class it almost a town or village. The reason we stopped you from claiming a stronghold was because you were intending to take the whole thing for yourself, AND there were only three strongholds per map.

When you refused to return the ores from the private mine that Octavio asked you to leave MULTIPLE TIMES, Octavio used invsee to remove the stolen ores.

I was about to make a point that perhaps this wasn't the correct course of action, and indeed you shouted "ABUSE OF MOD POWERS!" (figuratively speaking, you didn't actually shout.) but really, he's completely justified to use his powers to reclaim stolen items.

Octav referred you to a list of rules in my signature, which I've now removed because, as I say again, it's not as simple as black and white, right and wrong, do this, not that all the time. That's one of the main reasons we HAVE moderators and not complex plugins.


I don't think there's any punishment for being extremely difficult, especially when the stolen items were reclaimed, but I'd suggest you behave yourself, use your common sense, and go back to being the Tan you've been for the past few months. The drama free Tan that doesn't test rules and patience to the breaking point.

Memodrix can decide if he wants to beat you to death the nearest thing to hand when he's read the console log himself.


EDIT 2: I decreased the difficulty curve, and increased the XP gains from before. I tested it out and it seems fair enough to me.

*dual-wielding kittens*

Tan, Why do you make me do these things?


On another note: Is anyone else still having trouble using enchantment signs?

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Originally Posted by Memodrix

*dual-wielding kittens*

Tan, Why do you make me do these things?


On another note: Is anyone else still having trouble using enchantment signs?

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Yep. Enchant signs haven't been working :(

And it appears the server is down. D:

But earlier I broke the barrier between SSP and SMP; I almost spawned in a Diamond Ogre from Mo Creatures using the Global Mod Setting. You could hear the Ogre but you couldnt attack it or see it. D:

yea, i'm trying to fix dynmap at the moment and the only way to 'fix' it is to delete the entire dynmap folder, apparently. the one with multiple renders of our whole world. it may take a while longer yet

Combine the Gulliver Mod and Little Blocks mod and you get something amazing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s78M59Jjcr8&feature=g-u-u

mkay dynmap is currently re-rendering the worlds, and the server is working. Now i'm gonna go look into the chanting signs some more.

edit! fixed it. it'll work in approximately the next restart.

The new update prerelease brings desert NPC villages made out of sandstone, the trading system (emeralds as currency) and the amazing Ender Chests! If you put stuff into one Ender chest, you'll be able to access all that stuff in any of the other ender chests you put elsewhere. Check them out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1O1o5NdUCQ

This will be very handy to transport items from one location into another. Like from your mine to your home. And hopefully the chests of one person don't interfere with those of another, so you can put all your valuables into a chest and destroy it so no thief can steal them.

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Originally Posted by SnipySev

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1O1o5NdUCQ

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I think we both agree when I say:

"Awesome snapshot!"

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Originally Posted by SnipySev

And hopefully the chests of one person don't interfere with those of another, so you can put all your valuables into a chest and destroy it so no thief can steal them.

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Actually they do, apparently Jeb intentionally did that to make them have a drawback. (I also think he did it because it would be difficult to program it so that players had their own chests.)

So...massive community shared chest.