LBPVita Could Be Huge If ...

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Originally Posted by fullofwin

This thread is fine, everyone has remained civil...and of course you don't have to keep reading it.

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Yes, this is very true - agreed. :)

So far everyone has remained fairly nice to one another, if not a bit opinionated, but hey - it's good discussion. ;)

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Originally Posted by ythyth

So just because it may be the most famous LBPV kind of level means we have to call all the levels apps?
I mean,bomb survival is a famous kind of level,should we start calling levels in LBP bomb survival's? :p

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GribbleGrunger's original point was far, far simpler than the topic of this discussion has become. The particular point referenced in this quote has been beat to death (in fact I can hear the steam coming out of Gribble's ears right now) so let's allow this part of the conversation to fade away peacefully and quietly.

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Originally Posted by GribbleGrunger

Jeees...

App is a word that more people associate with games on the go than any other word.

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Well, not really... at least in the US. The "there's an app for that" phrase that gets tossed around is in regards to the thousands of specialized little programs that are definitely not games. I think most people just refer to them as "games" on their phone. (again in the US).

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What's the problem here? What's the problem calling LBPvita an App creator and an App store? Is it really that contentious?

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Not contentious, but I think that it's more of a semantics thing. An app implies that it's something that can be used independently of the game itself, which might be confusing from a marketing perspective. That said, I actually did like your previous idea about LBP levels being available from the PSN store independent of the actual game...just the part about people selling them for real money seemed a little off.

Besides that, I love LBP's totally unique planet metaphor with levels marked as badges. For me, if they ever replaced that with some kind of generic app store interface, it might cheapen the overall experience.

LOL! It's certainly not a popular idea... I am actually quite surprised by the comments so far, even if some of them have veered wildly from the original premise, I didn't expect this level of disagreement. Anyway, no hard feelings to anyone who sparked my retaliatory synapse, this is just one aspect of our personality and it certainly won't manifest itself in other conversations in other threads.

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Besides that, I love LBP's totally unique planet metaphor with levels marked as badges. For me, if they ever replaced that with some kind of generic app store interface, it might cheapen the overall experience.

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My suggestion would only change the way it's advertised and how we could title our levels/games/Apps once we get out grubby little fingers on LBPVita. It's actually quite ironic when you think about it. When LBP was first released we used to call them 'Levels' because it was too limited to create anything close to perfect that wasn't of that genre. Now we call them 'Games' because LBP2 allows a more professional approach to create... My suggestion is just to introduce a generic term that has been popularised by the media and adopted by those that play bite sized games on the go. See how that fits pretty neatly?

oh, and please add a Time/Date chip that links in with the Vita time and date! I want to add seasonal secrets to my Apps...

I think bundling LBP with cheap tat like Angry Birds is selling it a bit short isn't it?

I'm not sure I'd want LBP to become 'fashionable' either tbh. Gaming's at it's best when shared with a small and passionate community.

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Originally Posted by Kiminski

I think bundling LBP with cheap tat like Angry Birds is selling it a bit short isn't it?

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You seem to have a very old fashioned view of Apps. Some are actually quite good and others are stunning. If Tappling was called an App would it suddenly make that game bad?

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I'm not sure I'd want LBP to become 'fashionable' either tbh. Gaming's at it's best when shared with a small and passionate community.

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I doubt LBPVita would 'actually' become fashionable itself. I said the word 'App' is fashionable. Out of interest, how did you perceive the post you replied to. I find it really odd how every single thing I'm posting is being skewed or misinterpreted. I just haven't worked out yet who are the leaders and who are the followers... :)

I think I'm going to have to disagree with this idea as well. I don't think it would help LBP sales by confusing the customers which is what slapping on a generic, all be it popular, term for mobile applications would do. Sure it would get them in the door but once they are greeted with the LBP intro they would be like, "WHaaa's this?" Maybe if they redesigned the game entirely to come off more like an OS with hubs to get to the "apps" it would make more sense. But that would remove all the charm from the game. Plus I think the first thing that would enter most peoples minds would be, "Is this for iOS or Android?"

I understand where your coming from but I just don't think it will work out.

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Originally Posted by Xenon

I think I'm going to have to disagree with this idea as well. I don't think it would help LBP sales by confusing the customers which is what slapping on a generic, all be it popular, term for mobile applications would do. Sure it would get them in the door but once they are greeted with the LBP intro they would be like, "WHaaa's this?" Maybe if they redesigned the game entirely to come off more like an OS with hubs to get to the "apps" it would make more sense. But that would remove the all the charm from the game. Plus I think the first thing that would enter most peoples minds would be, "Is this for iOS or Android?"

I understand where your coming from but I just don't think it will work out.

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I was thinking along those lines last night as well. I think it's because while a game is an app, an app is not necessarily a game - which could definitely cause confusion for customers.

But imagine if LBP could create generic apps? Take Gribblegrungers time/date gadget idea, wire it into a note in front of a sackbot acting out something with a movie camera. If you could publish that as an app, you'd have a nice clock widget that you could run outside of the game...might be an interesting way to expand the horizons of LBP.

Well now, isn't this interesting. IGN just posted this LBPV preview video:

Could LittleBigPlanet Vita Be the Best LBP Ever?

Scroll to the 1:45 minute mark of the video and prepare to tell GribbleGrunger that he may be onto something. ;)

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Originally Posted by Taffey

Scroll to the 1:45 minute mark of the video and prepare to tell GribbleGrunger that he may be onto something. ;)

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Gribble is obviously Greg Miller, that's the only explanation that makes sense! :) So the memorizer is called a savinator now?

* The wait for release day is killing me!

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Originally Posted by fullofwin

Gribble is obviously Greg Miller, that's the only explanation that makes sense! :)

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OF COURSE. It's so clear now... I don't know why that didn't occur to me sooner. You are absolutely right! :p

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Originally Posted by fullofwin

So the memorizer is called a savinator now?

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Ah, you caught that too eh? That's news to me... Either it's a goof or they changed the name. We might need to light the Syroc Beacon to get a straight answer. ;)

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Originally Posted by fullofwin

The wait for release day is killing me!

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OMG YES

*looks at calendar*

Doo de doo de doo de doo....... *twiddles thumbs*

*looks at calendar again*

AGH It's still just August! :mad:

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Originally Posted by fullofwin

Gribble is obviously Greg Miller, that's the only explanation that makes sense! :) So the memorizer is called a savinator now?

* The wait for release day is killing me!

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Or... Greg Miller reads LBPC forums. Either way it was very timely. Congrats Gribble it appears you have a fan. ;)

I also agree the wait is maddening. The good news is that will give me time to come up with a plan to fake my own kidnapping so I can have a few weeks to dedicate to it.

When I first skimmed through the video, my first impression was that it was a comparison between phone apps and LPBV. Some of those levels certainly looked like some of the things I've got on my phone (the ball drop 'app' particularly so).

Gribble, I'm sorry I ever doubted you, however little that may have been :)

There's nothing wrong with calling levels as apps. When I inevitably end up showing one of my levels to a non-PS friend, I'm probably going to call it an app, though I may not be particularly conscious of the change. It's just a more recognized term. If, instead, you constantly reference 'levels', anyone only vaguely familiar with LBP will probably assume some sort of platforming game. The use of the 'app' term broadens the impression given to people.

What's possible in LBP strikes me as a (somewhat limited) set of dev tools. The contrast between apps and levels, as mentioned by several previous posters, doesn't quite fit with me. The majority of my apps are games, the likes of which I could see being made in LBPV, and probably better as well.


If you buy an app called "Cart Racing", you're not going to expect it to browse the internet or determine your position on Earth. I don't believe any misconception may be made by calling levels apps. If someone buys LBPV to access these 'tool' apps, they probably shouldn't have bought a Vita, and instead put the money towards some sort of education.

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I'm just hoping they make a bundled package at a discount when it launches, otherwise it'll probably be another 3 months waiting http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/ima...es/1/frown.gif

Ahem...

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Thanks, Taffey. I think you'll see more and more previews/reviews of this game saying much the same. Why bother paying for a certain App on your phone when you can either download it for free or create it yourself

I haven't minded one little bit being called out over this in this thread, but calling me an IGN employee? That's just beyond the pale

oh, and about the 48 second mark it looks as if you can play video within the game. look at the score board while you are playing sackboy

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Originally Posted by GribbleGrunger

oh, and about the 48 second mark it looks as if you can play video within the game. look at the score board while you are playing sackboy

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That could have been one of the tutorial videos. If not though, that's spectacular. Videos can be faked within the game, but having an actual video recording feature would make it hundreds of times more effective. Eg: Tutorials for complex creations would be much easier to make.

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Originally Posted by GribbleGrunger

I haven't minded one little bit being called out over this in this thread, but calling me an IGN employee? That's just beyond the pale

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Don't bite the hand that agrees with you! :) Maybe you should edit the Wikipedia entry for LBPV? I hear whatever you type there becomes reality. :)

I'm just going to put my original post here so that others that have just ambled into this thread don't get lead astray by some of the 'tangent' posts that followed. Some of them were inciteful and thought provoking and in another thread I would have ran with them, but the premise was simple and not as confusing as it seemed:

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Anyone who has followed this industry closely for many years will tell you the two things that guarantee success is branding and perception. If the branding is spot on for the time and a perception is promoted heavily, then a product can literally fly off the shelves. We gamers are in general a solitary lot and view our industry from that insular position, overlooking the fact that the average consumer doesn't even know that games we love exist. These consumers know only of those things that are fashionable to know about. Apple have successfully plugged into that market and there is no reason why LBPVita can't do exactly the same.

What we, Tarsier and Sony need to understand and embrace is the fact that the majority of people out there don't even talk in terms of games; they talk in terms of 'Apps'. With that in mind, Tarsier and Sony MUST advertise the online community of LBPVita as an 'Apps' store. The word should be constantly associated with the community in order for it to filter through to the average person in the street. If this is done successful then LBPVita could become something of a phenomena.

People often buy really stupid games on phones just because they're 99p. Imagine if Tarsier and Sony could speak to these people. LBPVita is an 'App' store in waiting with experiences and standards that easily match (if not exceed) the quality of some of those phone games. This is an opportunity for branding that Sony and Tarsier simply can't afford to miss out on.

So please, when you advertise this fantastic game, make sure that you push the word 'App' HARD, along with the other important word FREE. We don't need advertising aimed at us here because we already now how wonderful this game is going to be, so aim those adverts at the 'trendies' and the 'fashion freaks' of this world and then LBPVita could and probably would become the phenomena it deserves to be.

Please, don't underestimate this very short and simple word. It has power out there in the bigger world.

LittleBigApps please

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Originally Posted by fullofwin

So the memorizer is called a savinator now?

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Originally Posted by Taffey

Ah, you caught that too eh? That's news to me... Either it's a goof or they changed the name. We might need to light the Syroc Beacon to get a straight answer. ;)

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It's still called Memoriser. There are already more than enough -inators in LBP. :)

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Originally Posted by GribbleGrunger

I'm just going to put my original post here so that others that have just ambled into this thread don't get lead astray by some of the 'tangent' posts that followed.:

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I'm not sure I agree that anyone in this thread has been lead. Is there really any need to be so condescending? The whole point of discussion is to point out both sides of the fence, not to write off any differing of opinion.

As for the video, I'm still not convinced I'm afraid. Highlighting the similarities of LBPV to an App store is one thing, but for Sony to actually push it as such is a bit different. Most people will react just as we have in this thread.

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Originally Posted by GribbleGrunger

I doubt LBPVita would 'actually' become fashionable itself. I said the word 'App' is fashionable. Out of interest, how did you perceive the post you replied to.

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Well, LBPVita becoming 'huge' would mean it was fashionable, no?

My point being, a server full of throwaway levels made by 'trendies' and 'fashion freaks' would be a very bad thing. As would the inevitable targeted DLC. It's bad enough that stickers and costumes get churned out for the kids without throwing Joe Bloggs into the mix. - We'll leave that for another day though. :)

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Well, LBPVita becoming 'huge' would mean it was fashionable, no?

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No, not in the slightest. It doesn't follow that something that is hugely successful immediately becomes fashionable. Once again this is an example of skewing the premise in order to justify discrediting it.

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My point being, a server full of throwaway levels made by 'trendies' and 'fashion freaks' would be a very bad thing. As would the inevitable targeted DLC. It's bad enough that stickers and costumes get churned out for the kids without throwing Joe Bloggs into the mix. - We'll leave that for another day though. :)

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You see, this is another perfect example of what I'm saying. You first go on to say that you don't think anyone has gone off at a tangent and then go off on a HUGE tangent of your own. In order to discredit what I've said you suggest to anyone that is reading your post that I said to make 'throwaway levels' made by 'trendies' and 'fashion freaks'. That is a gross misinterpretation of what I'm saying.

I said that the levels would be exactly the same as they are now but they would be promoted as Apps. Of course, because of the features of the Vita, more games that are on phones and pads could be accurately cloned (and they WILL). That is not stifling creativity, it is broadening it. I never said that the levels would be made by 'trendies' or 'fashion freaks' but rather that they exist and it wouldn't hurt anything to speak to them too.

It's just the word 'App' as opposed to 'game'. I'm about to post something and it's demonstrative of what I'm saying and not meant to be taken literally. It's a perception that is REAL and happening at this very moment: 'Apps are for grownups and games are for kids.'

what is incredible is that this was posted just after I reposted the OP so that people don't get lead astray by subsequent posts. Did it work? Clearly not

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Originally Posted by GribbleGrunger

You first go on to say that you don't think anyone has gone off at a tangent and then go off on a HUGE tangent of your own.
...blah blah blah.

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Three lines directly related to what you're suggesting? lol

Since the subject's obviously not up for discussion, I think I'll leave this thread on planet GribbleGrunger. You just carry on enforcing your opinion while I cringe at your signature.