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Ok, this is basicallyto take allthe discussion of the recent changes away from the spam can.
This thread is for you to express your opinions on them, and suggest other ways of doing it.
No complaining either, It's a feedback thread. If you've got a valid point to make, make it here. Any posts of any other nature will be deleted. I don't want to have to hand out infractions for this getting out of hand.
Don't just say "I hate it". Give reasons why, explain yourself.
TBH the bundles should be kept as a trophy,they look plain better under a profile.
but I agree with the rest.
why? Because some members that have been here longer would like that too if I think about it...
I hate it because...
1. I bought all three profile upgrades for a trophy collection but now it's just a sleesy bundle collection, so I've just wasted my XP..
2. The rep gems don't let you judge people. It has very little varies between people. Either they're on the road to becoming famous, they'll be famous soon and a couple of other senteces. You can't really judge people by that...
3. I like to keep track of my post count simply and easily while viewing threads, but with the new update, I have to come off the thread, and go to my profile, check, then go to my friends profiles to check if we're competing. There should be an option if you want to show your post count or not, so members who don't want to be judged by their post count can simply turn their post count feature off.
From CC himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldage
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Feature Bundles are a new idea, spun off of an old classic. Previously, we offered profile upgrades, which allowed members to add additional features to their profile. However, this came with an associated status, which we want to avoid. Our goal with Feature Bundles is to allow these same sort of upgrades without creating an atmosphere of superiority. This will also allow us to offer features separately, which should help expand the options in the shop quite a bit. Expect changes over the next few days.
I couldn't care less about the post count being shown or not, but I feel that the rep. gems should be put back because they show whether or not a member have contributed to the community in a way that others found useful.
Not that we're all helping for the rep., but it'd be nice to be acknowledged for our contributions.
this is just what i posted from the Spam Can. Unfortuanatly i posted it after i saw what said.
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this has got out of hand now :/ :(
I hate to say it guys, but what's been done has been done. Clearly the decisions made won't be changed (at least for a good long while) and we just need to accept that.
I'm most disappointed about the REP system, as i truly believe it was a good system and it was working. Go onto members, and click on Reputation. It will then sort from highest to lowest. And looking at it... it looks appropriate in my opinion. Yes, there are a fair few 'regs from the spam can' on there, but they do use the rest of the site and deserve the recognition. If it seems that too much is from spamming or whatever, reset it, and have people learn their lesson (hopefully like Clank. Hopefully...).
I have just earnt my 2nd gem rep right after the system was taken away. I feel it was mostly deserved. However, i cannot access my PS3 in uni, so honestly i barely go in the lbp part until i get home. I don't want to watch videos of other peoples levels :/ I wanna play them!
Anywho, because of this i've been in the general area/spam can alot, and have aquired REP there instead:
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1.../spamornot.jpg
As you can see, i blotted out any names, or any way of figuring names out for privacy issues. I will admit that about a 1/5 or 1/6 of my overall rep is from Clank (though i NEVER rep someone back unless i see a post where they deserve it) and the last week has been in the spam can. But if that's seen as unfair, go ahead and reset my count. because when it comes down to it the REP system is just a nice add-on that is subtle for the forum.
It will in no way make new users feel inadequate against someone... most don't even realise it and know what it is until after a small while! I know i didn't in other forums when i first joined up!
Anywho, this turned into an overly long rant. I'm fine about everything else tbh, but i'd like to see the rep gems back :/
I hope CC, or one of the mods read this and CC changes his mind about this. It would be a big shame for us to loose this feature, as i can see it dissapearing after a month or so because it's not in the postbit. It doesn't matter about the other stuff.
Also, i'm very greatful join date was added back, as i see that as useful too.
Another thing... guys... stop saying about leaving and stuff. It's about the community more than anything, even the site itself. Without the community it's nothing. As are we without the site (as we all wouldn't know eachother!). Let's not take things for granted now :)
Thanks for reading :) If you did.
Might as well add mine too...
Honestly, I've read the past 10 pages, and I must say that you guys are actually whining. Yes you have put your opinion in one post here and there, but the majority of the posts are something along the lines of...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamsalad
Spoiler - Epic Quotes
Now, I am not pointing at you HamSalad, at all. You actually have several good reasons in your posts that discuss the whole idea. But you must realize that a lot of the forum drama, happens "backstage."
I know for a fact that they did not temp-ban him for speaking his mind, even though Awesomemans did it in a rude way. I realize a lot could of happened that we, the regular members, don't see.
Now, on to my 2 cents.
I agree with several points that Hamsalad has addressed...I must agree here, on how the moderators have been acting on several cases. When someone voices out there opinion, they should not be shut down, like you see here...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamsalad
I agree with what you said Miffy, but I disagree on the fact that you are forcing people to stop talking about it, yes I do realize that you said you can take this to visitors messages, but people want to voice out there opinion, keeping it in small discussions doesn't help the site at all. We want our voice to be heard, so changes made to the site can be great. Stating that the "Discussion ends here" and stating that "You will be infracted." Just makes the matter worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrunkMiffy
Now as for the changes themselves, I agree with CC and all of the moderators on how several members were abusing them, and I am glad to see a few of the details gone, ( post count, colored titles, etc... )
One thing I disagree with, is Rep Gems, I seriously don't see the point of taking those away, sure a few members were abusing them ( Even though the only one I HEARD of was Clank )
I know for a fact that I never abused it. But out of the almost 3000 members on this site, about 4-5 abuse it, and it is gone all together? I don't see how this makes sense in the slightest bit, I personally used the rep gem frequently, and used it when the person deserved it, and it showed a sense of "I help the community out a lot..." At least, in my opinion it did.
Taking the option of seeing it makes it almost useless all together... The purpose of the gem was to show that you either are a good member to the site ( green gem ) or you were a bad member ( red gem ) not having it visible makes it completely useless, there isn't a point of using it, because the whole point of using it was to show other users that *insert forum member here* is an amazing member.
Again, this is just my opinion on the whole thing, I hope I didn't break any rules, I did no whining ( I hope ) and I spoke out my voice, I can live with the changes, I'm sure everyone can, but let's all be a little more respectful to each other (to both members and moderators alike.)
TL;DR : Sorry, I can't make an epic two cents like mine any shorter. But to stay on the topic. Hi, I'm Whaaaaale!
everyone else is doing it :P
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Originally Posted by Hamsalad
Also side note so i dont double post, I really like the rep system and I am a pretty honest guy the thought of abusing it never crossed my mind nor would i of felt satisfied by abusing it. When i discovered how to view it and i saw i had been given positive rep it made me feel good and I really liked that.
Rep means nothing now...
i like to keep track of my post count...
The old trophy's were much more nicer....
I liked the old colors...
Why fix something that isn't broken
Like I stated before, it WAS broken, members abused it, they made useless threads stating that they had reached XXXX amount of posts, it just cluttered the forums with useless threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thee-Flash
I agree that rep is pretty much useless now, I've stated above on why.
Post count was a wise decision to take out, because a few members did in fact spam just to compete with others, which is not the reason of posting, it's to provide essential feedback to others, and once in a while have a little fun ( Spam Can :p )
You are right on how the old trophies were nicer, but that wasn't the purpose of them, it was to give a few members some additional options, but with the colored username idea, it gave other members the feeling of being "less" or "weaker" than those that have an elite trophy for example, the trophies are still there, just in a different name.
OMG!! your joking right... they made them feel less special, so they got taken out what a joke....Quote:
Originally Posted by Whaaaaale
I'm pretty sure that's why they were taken out... Read the thread about the changes, here I'll even quote what CC said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thee-Flash
It basically gave those that had the trophies, a sense of being more "powerful" or "better" than those that didn't have it, and I must admit, it was true, a lot of people created threads stating " I have the Elite Trophy! "Quote:
Feature Bundles are a new idea, spun off of an old classic. Previously, we offered profile upgrades, which allowed members to add additional features to their profile. However, this came with an associated status, which we want to avoid. Our goal with Feature Bundles is to allow these same sort of upgrades without creating an atmosphere of superiority. This will also allow us to offer features separately, which should help expand the options in the shop quite a bit. Expect changes over the next few days.
Those threads clutter up the forum, once again, and have no real purpose except to "show-off" the trophy.
Not going to lie.. when I joined, the people with coloured names intimidated me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thee-Flash
Example one. And I'm pretty sure there are others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trap_T
On the opposite side of the spectrum, everyone else that was a regular gave me incentive to fit in and reach their status.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trap_T
For what reason though? Just to have a colored name? In all honesty you can go to Paint and use colored font if you want a colored name, all the options are still there, the only part that is gone is the colored name part, custom titles are still there as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamsalad
seriously ...? well i never though of it like that, but i mean the people who do have elite status or gold even, are members who have been on this site for ages... and deserve some "notice"Quote:
Originally Posted by Trap_T
True, and you do have that "notice."Quote:
Originally Posted by Thee-Flash
Custom title
125x125px avatar/profile picture
250 PM storage space
.5 MB avatar storage space
Ability to upload an animated avatar
Ability to delete your own threads
Ability to see invisible users
Ability to view detailed user activity information
Ability to view who repped you
Ability to use [color] and [size] BB Code in signature
These are all features that others can "notice" about you. And also the fact that you can go into "sneaky" mode.
>.> how do we use sneaky mode
Go to User CP >> Edit Options >> You should see the "Invisible Mode" box here, check it. Now you've entered "The Sneaky Mode"Quote:
Originally Posted by Thee-Flash
*cue Matrix noises.*
Post Count
Quite happy for this to stay hidden, it's just a continuously increasing number with no real meaning.
Rep Gems
It's a shame to see this getting hidden as it is based entirely on external input and had just started to expand beyond everyone on one gem. Obviously some idiots will try to boost and brag but thats what the ban hammer is for.
Profile modifications
The renaming was a good idea, it seems like some people were developing a superiority complex simply by being elite.
The icons could be better, the current ones looke too much like word and excel icons.
I think that if the username colour is to be changed with profile upgrades it should be the same on all 3 tiers with the group classified as something like regular users.
not really just so I knew I had the status, which in turn maybe its a good thing that they took that part of it away. I just like to be the best at what I take part in. And if those guys had that status I was going to try hard and get that status myself. Not really for the colored name which i guess is cool but for more so status. So actually reflecting on what he wanted to achieve by doing this it looks like he did the right thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whaaaaale
but side note i still really like the rep system I think it gave a sense of pride and was a nice reward for those who actually were helpful.
Well, the status is still there, it's just not called an Elite Status anymore. As for the rep system, I agree once again. It seems like a lot of people want it back. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Hamsalad
Ya I thought it was pretty ironic that the "elite" member status turned them into elitists lol
I'm gonna be quick, as I've said this all before and some seem to continually miss it:
- Everything that was removed is staying gone. This includes rep.
- You are free to discuss your unhappiness with the changes as much as you like, but it's not going to change our minds.
- Discussing any site changes (not just these) in the Spam Can will not get your voice heard by anyone who has the power to do something about it.
Might as well close this thread. If we're discussing something it's for it to be heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by ConfusedCartman
I don't post simply for venting my displeasure.
I must agree, there is no point in discussing something that cannot be changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trap_T
sure well considering that the vast majority now seems to agree with every change but the rep I think it would be fair to let us know specifically why the rep will not be reinstated and maybe we could all think together and come up with ways to over come the objections to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ConfusedCartman
I think part of the distress was coming from the way the members were treated with lack of respect and in a very belittling manner. I think there are deffinitly better ways to let people know how its going to be in a more professional and adult-like way so that way it doesnt cause more problems by personally insulting them.
but i deffinitly due hold your rules and opinions in the highest regard CC. not meaning to disrespect you. I was just hoping we might be able to get some other bright minds together such as yours to maybe think of a more full proof rep system.
Seeing as he's already locked in on his decision this seems somewhat pointless.
But being able to give rep. in the Spam Can and other sections not related to LBP makes no sense.
I suggest, if it's possible, that rep. only be allowed to be given in the "Creative Juices" section, and the "Help" sub-section.
and if you do decide to add post count back.. once again, somewhat pointless, make it so high spam sections don't add to post count.
great idea trap...very great. thats what i was talking about with the round table disscussion of bright minds :) you think eliminating those to be used in the spam dedicated sections would elivate problemsQuote:
Originally Posted by Trap_T
Well, seems like Thanks is the new Rep, although it appears we're keeping both...
Well, looks like CC and the gang listened to our opinions once again, now everything ( hopefully ) can go back to normal.
Still mid installing it it seems. I like it. CC - great addition if you get it up and running well :)
I think he's doing more top secret stuff from feedback from both the staff and members. Just be patient once again, and all will be revealed. :)
Our postbit already reveals a fair bit xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Elbee23
:)
Opens the doorQuote:
Originally Posted by ConfusedCartman
Thanks seems so much more... subjective? if that's the word. It feels like I can only be thanking someone.. not acknowledging them for their ideas...
I've received quite a bit of rep. from the plasma door idea I had... would you thank me for having an idea you liked? o-o
Maybe I'm just to hard to please. ):
At least it's a step in what I believe to be the right direction.
Well, seems we've pestered CC enough to get him to install some way of showing thanks.
Though I've finally realized what was gone from the Experience page- the different stats that show who is the highest in a particular type! Meh, I guess we're trying to destroy elitism or whatnot.
It's definitely not ready. When it is, I'll introduce the features and abilities it provides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trap_T
I'm really happy that our voices were heard, like you have no idea. Thanks once again CC.Quote:
Originally Posted by ConfusedCartman