What new types of logic would you like to see?

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Originally Posted by Cheatster9000x

I'd personally like to see 6 players. It's set to 4 as a default for story, but you could set it from 1 to 6 in your levels.

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Actually I think my idea would be perfect for that. Basically you would have a logic which allows you to send information across to other people playing the same level. Say for example you connect a controllinator through the the logic to a sackbot, do this 6 times and you could have six players in one game.

LPB3 will not have more than 4 players, that's pretty much confirmed.

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Originally Posted by wally-217

LPB3 will not have more than 4 players, that's pretty much confirmed.

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I know, but it's a thread for what I'd like to see.

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Originally Posted by Cheatster9000x

I'd also like to see a control toggler thingy. Basically, you would have multiple characters in a level existing at once, and a button would toggle them, like the Lego Games. Each character would have a "Control Chip" with an assigned number, and an input function. The input function would be "Move Up/down character". The first player would auto-assign to "Character 1". If another person joined, they would auto-assign to "Char 2".

For example, I would make a level based around "Sonic Heroes". I'd have 3 characters, each with control chips numbered 1-3. I'd wire L1 to "Move character Up", and R1 to "Move character down", and give the player control of the 1st character from the get-go. If a second player joined, they'd get character 2. They could switch between "character 2" and "Character 3", and so would Player 1, so they couldn't take control of the other physical player

...I have a horrible feeling that I'm not making sense.

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I'm pretty sure you can already do that without too much trouble using controllinators, you just have to set it up yourself.

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Originally Posted by Ryuhza

I'm pretty sure you can already do that without too much trouble using controllinators, you just have to set it up yourself.

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It takes up a Lot of resources. Not necessarily the thermo but it can cause the game to crash when you load the level if you have a good amount of characters.

Wait, actually, I have no idea what cheatster was talking about.

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Originally Posted by Ryuhza

I've been using the wall-jump tweaker lately, and while I've been able to use it for some really exciting stuff in my newest project, I think it could use a few more options.

When tweaking the jump strength, there should be two separate measurements, one for jump length, and the other for jump height. Maybe they could even let you set an arc, like how the new layer Launchers Work. I think the speeds for sliding up/down the wall should be able to go further than 200%/-200% since I was dissatisfied with the speed of the fall at 200%. Also, there should be an option as to whether sackboy can or can't control the speed of his descent/ascent using the left stick (currently, it's always enabled, so even if you have the sliding speed set to 0%, Sackboy can slide up and down of his own volition).

Those are the most important things. On the more complicated side, perhaps there could be a way to keep the wall slide and wall jump separate. In my level in progress, I wanted to give sackboy a special command with up & x while on the wall, but I couldn't because X always makes you leap off. I ended up having to map the command to L1, which feels much less intuitive and makes your name pop-up all the time.


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Wait, I just thought of something else. With followers and in & out movement. When you set a follower to be able to move in and out, they'll only do it if they're also moving left right up or down. If you move in and out without moving in any other direction, or if you move in and out inside the minimum detection range, the follower won't correspond. Setting them to move in & out as soon as you do or detect in & out movement as something to react to should be a setting, maybe with it's own min/max range.

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all of that sounds like an awesome idea but on the note of strength, you can put in a high % to increase effect

I'd like a tool that could freeze gameplay. Maybe even increase game speed or slow it down. I think the simple, convenient options would be a nice tool the have.

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Originally Posted by amiel445566

all of that sounds like an awesome idea but on the note of strength, you can put in a high % to increase effect

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Thanks. And I know, that's what I said. But even at max % (200), sliding down wasn't as fast as I wanted it to be.

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Originally Posted by Ryuhza

I'm pretty sure you can already do that without too much trouble using controllinators, you just have to set it up yourself.

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I know it's already possible, I've seen it done. But it's kinda difficult, and not really accessable if you don't know what the heck you're doing. The point of the new logic in LBP3 is to inspire people who wouldn't normally create to create by making things easier.

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Originally Posted by amiel445566

another thing that is a necessity to add for logic is 0 latency analog digital conversion so if the gate detects any percentage then it turns on digitally, and also just have 0 latency comparing as gates (>=, <, = and so on) so that it is more thermo efficient and easier to work with

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I don't know what you use, but I'm pretty sure sequencers are zero latency.

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Originally Posted by Rogar

I don't know what you use, but I'm pretty sure sequencers are zero latency.

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nope, they have 1 tick of latency :)

Well, right you are. I thought it was just bottom inputs of selectors and certain microchip configurations. At least it makes sense for those.

Okay, I'll have that compare from LBPKarting then, please. :)

A real time clock would be nice. A logic sensor that outputs the time based on your PS3/PS4 system clock.

As I messed around this weekend, I discovered a few tweaks I'd like.

I want subtitles as an option in the movie camera menu, not just restricted to MM's in a sequencer.

Every bit of logic, from entrances to power-ups (and de-power-ups) should have a "Can not view in game mode" toggle.

I would like a material tweaker for "invisible", though we may be getting that with the dematerializer.

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I would like an Automated Bolt.

The bolt would look like a normal motor bolt with a microchip on it.
You'd "open" it like a microchip and, like a sackbot, it would have it's own logic chip inside.

The point of this is to have a section called "# of turns"...or something like that. Whatever number you put in, that many lines, inputs and outputs would appear.

Each line would have a number of options.
1. Forward/backwards
2. Degree of turn: From "Idle" to increments of five (5%, 10%, 15%, etc) through "Full 360"
3. Turn duration: Speed/time (see below)...Speed uses standard speed time like a bolt, time uses seconds like a piston.
4. Wait (number of seconds, like a movie or piston)
5. Output: End of turn/end of wait

A few other options.
Action: Run in order/Trigger....Run in order means each line runs sequentially. Trigger means the line does not fire until triggered.
Loop (just like a sequencer or sackbot animation)
Constant speed: Y/N If this is "Yes", the Turn Duration option is not available for individual lines and a speed option comes up (1-360, as always)

Imagine the possibilities. Precise controlling of degrees of spin, events/dialog/logic triggered at the end of each turn, multiple items controlled individually on the same object.

Just few of the possibilities and I think others could come up with more and additional options for the bolt.

I'd like a way to instantly fill counters or timers, the same way you can instantly reset them. If there's already a way to do that, then yo, you've gotta share your secrets with me.

Logic that makes an object invisible

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Originally Posted by Ryuhza

I'd like a way to instantly fill counters or timers, the same way you can instantly reset them. If there's already a way to do that, then yo, you've gotta share your secrets with me.

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Well, you could invert the output, then a reset will instantly fill them. But I guess that won't really help you. :p

Maybe if you send a 300% signal into a speed-scale timer? I don't know exactly what you want, but it should be doable. Maybe open a thread in Help?

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Originally Posted by Ryuhza

I'd like a way to instantly fill counters or timers, the same way you can instantly reset them. If there's already a way to do that, then yo, you've gotta share your secrets with me.

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You should mess around with feedback loops, it's what you're looking for, they function like timers/counters, but function alot more leniently

they are hard to get a handle on, but can preform nearly every action instantaneously (except for recursion, but nothing can get past that)

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Originally Posted by Rogar

Well, you could invert the output, then a reset will instantly fill them. But I guess that won't really help you. :p

Maybe if you send a 300% signal into a speed-scale timer? I don't know exactly what you want, but it should be doable. Maybe open a thread in Help?

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Yeah, I tried messing with the inverted settings, but I still couldn't get what I wanted, since it inverts everything about the counter (output, count direction, and reset function) rather than one or two things. Plus I think it'd be useful to have both reset and fill to completion as options simultaneously.

I figured out another way of solving my problem with the counters, but I still think having a "fill" input would be nice.

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Originally Posted by amiel445566

You should mess around with feedback loops, it's what you're looking for, they function like timers/counters, but function alot more leniently

they are hard to get a handle on, but can preform nearly every action instantaneously (except for recursion, but nothing can get past that)

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Oh yeah, I forgot about those. I first looked into them back when I wasn't very good with logic, but lately I've been doing all of my logic work myself and getting a better and better grasp of it. Maybe I'll check those out again and see if I can't understand them a little better. Thanks.

I just want 6 players...

But a good idea would be a community sensor, what it does is let.... well I can't explain it but for an example. a player presses a button and a count gets registered so it'll be 1, another player plays the level simultaneously and sees the counter at 1 and pushes the button it now becomes 2. That's the type of logic I'd like to see one that lets you communicate with other players playing the level but not in the same session, and it also memorizes. Example
300 people played the level and pushed the button it'll remember that variable and show 300 until the next person pushes it.