LBP3 BETA Needs GLITCHERS, Steveni's friends wont do!

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Originally Posted by ForgottenEnigma

You're assuming they are excluding "glitchers"

However, what makes more sense... inviting those who quietly reported dangerous glitches to them and may not be famous because of it... or those who decided to publish them for profit thus damaging the community?

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THIS!!!
the best glitchers in lbp are the ones who report said glitch and share it with no-one and therefore are not know as glitchers.
being a well known glitcher means you are known to share exploits with other people and this will not help developers in a beta test.
Due to the nature of a create mode with such freedom there will likely still be bugs in the game when it launches, and people who want fame from glitching (the ones who tell everyone about them) may think it's a good idea to not report something they find just so that they can gather more fame when the game launches. (you cannot talk about bugs/glitches in any closed beta, even after the general NDA is lifted)
They have records of reported bugs and glitches so the best thing they could have done is invite the people who reported bugs/glitches that were never shared with the community.

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Originally Posted by evret

THIS!!!
the best glitchers in lbp are the ones who report said glitch and share it with no-one and therefore are not know as glitchers.

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I'm just quoting this for emphasize, as it really gets to the heart of the matter.

First of all, we don't share these dangerous kind of glitches because they could fall into the wrong hands. We keep them to ourselves and we experiment with them, then we basically get tired of it. To be honest I don't even know where I can report a bug on this game and they would listen then try to fix it, because these major glitches have been around awhile yet their not fixed. And we don't use the other glitches for fame, we publish them so others can know its usefulness.

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Originally Posted by Smuffy04

First of all, we don't share these dangerous kind of glitches because they could fall into the wrong hands. We keep them to ourselves and we experiment with them, then we basically get tired of it. To be honest I don't even know where I can report a bug on this game and they would listen then try to fix it, because these major glitches have been around awhile yet their not fixed. And we don't use the other glitches for fame, we publish them so others can know its usefulness.

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Have you not thought of why some these glitches haven't been fixed? Re-read your first sentance.

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Originally Posted by Shooter0898

Have you not thought of why some these glitches haven't been fixed? Re-read your first sentance.

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I have wondered why their not fixed. Where is there a place to report them where it will actually be noticed by them, and they try to fix it? If someone told me this place I would report these glitches.

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Originally Posted by Smuffy04

If someone told me this place I would report these glitches.

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Media Molecule used "get satisfaction" for a while but then just asked that people emailed them directly. I'm going to assume that you could now email either Sumo digital or Sony Xdev (and their respective community managers) with issues, but until the game releases it is unlikely they will set up an addresses dedicated to such issues.

Exactly, I have no place to report the glitches, so I can basically do nothing about them.

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Originally Posted by jwwphotos

Hi Hyper, I fixed that for you. :)

To the OP ...we have no codes... We suggest folks then Sony and Steven picks from them as well as adds picks of their own. Not saying any of that is complete or not as we simply don't know. Up to Sony, and Steven.

However the OP saying that they will only be Steven's friends and corrupted creators is a bit much. Corrupted? In a game that you get no money for creating or volunteering in the community? There are quite a few folks that like and respect Steven, but saying he would only pick from his friends? I promise you that will be far from the truth. lol I am sure some will thing that and some still think Man has not landed on the Moon and others think crop circles are made by aliens.

As far as recommendations... sure make them. Who knows, Steven might see and include them.

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I have to agree with you that saying corrupted is going a bit too far however I believe I tried out a ramp level made by Steveni and to be honest it was total pants. I hope this isn't the work of the Centrals Community Manager because if it is, I'm a little disappointed!

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Originally Posted by thefutureman98

I have to agree with you that saying corrupted is going a bit too far however I believe I tried out a ramp level made by Steveni and to be honest it was total pants. I hope this isn't the work of the Centrals Community Manager because if it is, I'm a little disappointed!

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That is because the ramp level is kind of a legend in the history of LBP. It wasn't created by StevenI, but it was one of the first creations that amused MM the most and therefore it was... Uhmm taken back. :)



And to @Smuffy04: Saying there's no place to report important glitches in LBP is a bit exaggerated. If you find game breaking glitches I'm sure you could send StevenI a mail or a DM somewhere in his official accounts and he'd be happy to pass it to the responsible team.

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Originally Posted by thefutureman98

I have to agree with you that saying corrupted is going a bit too far however I believe I tried out a ramp level made by Steveni and to be honest it was total pants. I hope this isn't the work of the Centrals Community Manager because if it is, I'm a little disappointed!

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He works for Sony... and even Spaff was no creator. However to clarify he is LBP's community manager... which would include here. Though he doesn't run this site. We work with him of course, but we are in charge of day to day operations.

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Originally Posted by Chazprime

Did you read it?

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Sure, here are the posts I had in mind:

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Originally Posted by jwwphotos

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Originally Posted by hyperdude95

People who are active or helpful in the community are suggested to be in a small batch of community members to partake in the private beta. There is nothing wrong if one is not chosen, its our love for the game that's keep us all together!

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Hi Hyper, I fixed that for you. :)

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Originally Posted by Rogar

Didn't glitchers leak various captured level parts from the LBP2 beta into the final game? Maybe Sumo doesn't want to risk something like that happening again.

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Originally Posted by yugnar

In conclusion, I believe that Beta tests are made in order for people to test the overall fetaures of a game, and all the way better if they are true fans of it. That is why they aren't looking exactly for people who break the game. That's what the staff is for, to break the game knowing how the code was written and which are it's "vulnerabilities". But having the community get their hands in all the features and actual create mode testing is a different thing alltogether than managing to open the create popit in play Mode. I think I already left my opinion clear enough, hope it makes sense to some of you :)

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What's your specific point of contention with what I wrote?

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Originally Posted by yugnar

Where is that attitude supposed to lead? As far as I'm concerned LBP2 has the most versatile game editor on game consoles and it has really little glitches if you think of what the devs accomplished creating. I say that if you were implying that it is a glitchy game or something with your comment.

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From a user point of view it can lead to the worse case scenario which is their profiles becoming corrupted, being unable to enter levels or having their levels broken.

From a publisher point of view it means lost revenue in the form of stuff like the ongoing DLC costumes bug, which still hasn't been fixed after years despite numerous reports and threads here.

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Originally Posted by yugnar

They aren't precisely excluding people who are known to exploit the game. They are pretty much doing exactly the opposite thing. What's the Beta test for? The people who truly exploit the game to its limits are the creators who make extremely complex stuff, who blow up the thermo doing things the devs wouldn't even think were possible in the first place as it has happened with both LBP1 & LBP2. That is what the test is for. And that's the kind of creators who were probably invited to the Beta.

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You're failing to differentiate between people that exploit the game and those that use the tools as God intended. jww made reference to this point here.

My reply to this topic is.
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Originally Posted by Ayneh

From a user point of view it can lead to the worse case scenario which is their profiles becoming corrupted, being unable to enter levels or having their levels broken.

From a publisher point of view it means lost revenue in the form of stuff like the ongoing DLC costumes bug, which still hasn't been fixed after years despite numerous reports and threads here.

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Exactly, that's the worst case scenario and it will most likely happen from time to time in the final game, because such a complex game will never be 100% bug free. But I don't think that the absence of some of the self called elite glitchers will helplessly lead to this point...

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Originally Posted by Ayneh

You're failing to differentiate between people that exploit the game and those that use the tools as God intended. jww made reference to this point here.

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I can actually see the difference quite perfectly and have already explained numerous times what I think about both kinds of people. Not much use in telling everything I've already told earlier again here, if you have a different point of view though I totally respect that Ayneh :)

You know, to be honest, I think the op was just mad about not getting a code and wanted to make it into some kind of prejudice thing as a last effort to try to get in.

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Originally Posted by Tynz21

You know, to be honest, I think the op was just mad about not getting a code and wanted to make it into some kind of prejudice thing as a last effort to try to get in.

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Yeah.. I suspect so, plus with what Bonner said. They weren't really the ones that did whatever claimed anyway. They might have been peering through the windows, but anyway.

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Originally Posted by Tynz21

You know, to be honest, I think the op was just mad about not getting a code and wanted to make it into some kind of prejudice thing as a last effort to try to get in.

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That probably crossed most people's minds here at some point during the discussion. From the moment I read the Original Post to see that he had given a list of people he thinks should be in the Beta when in reality he had basically just given a list of him and his friends, I started to doubt his real intentions.

I've never seen so much drama caused by a beta for a game. :rolleyes:

Look, all we're saying is, no elite glitchers have gotten into the beta, the complexity of some of our work is too hard to write in a fourm post. The LBP1 god glitch is complex beyond explanation and only 2 people know how to capture stuff (FattyMcintosh and myself) the tutorial glitch is also hard to crack (only me and fatty know it). Its glitches like these that are buried deep within the game that need to be searched for and reported. I doubt no normal player/ low level glitcher will go to such lengths to find these types of glitches. And when discovered in the full game, it'll damage the full community why people don't understand our point I will never know.

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Originally Posted by I_AM_L_FORCE

The LBP1 god glitch is complex beyond explanation and only 2 people know how to capture stuff...

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...and the developers right? Because obviously you reported it immediately for them to fix. How else would they recognise your usefulness to a beta trial?

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Originally Posted by I_AM_L_FORCE

Look, all we're saying is, no elite glitchers have gotten into the beta, the complexity of some of our work is too hard to write in a fourm post. The LBP1 god glitch is complex beyond explanation and only 2 people know how to capture stuff (FattyMcintosh and myself) the tutorial glitch is also hard to crack (only me and fatty know it). Its glitches like these that are buried deep within the game that need to be searched for and reported. I doubt no normal player/ low level glitcher will go to such lengths to find these types of glitches. And when discovered in the full game, it'll damage the full community why people don't understand our point I will never know.

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Agin I'll ask this question I've asked before. How do you know no "elite glithchers" have gotten into the beta? There is now bias against "glitchers" which many of you claim to be the case. Heck most people complaining in this thread joined last month or haven't been active at all until recently and they honestly think there is some biased towards their supposed group of players.

To be honest if someone was an "elite glitcher" they would report anything they find and not want fame or recognition for what they have done.often these people are creators themselves and help find glitches that affect the average player they won't want to seek fame for it, they won't want to publish levels on it or even make YouTube videos.