New Community Trend that could ruin LBP3

Guys, I have some terrible news. Copiers and scam level creators no longer need the cool pages. There's this section called the newest level section, and for some reason, a ton of people play levels there. Copiers and spam level creators are constantly REPUBLISHING there levels there. That means they try to boost their levels to the top. If you look at some levels there, you'll see stuff like mortal combat and get all lbp dlc. Horrible levels that people actually play. People play the top of the newest levels section. This means copiers could get tons of plays on their terrible levels. I'm sad myself because I'm a bit guilty too. I actually had a new level I made and I too tried to boost it to the top. As my theory suggests, it works. It got 50 plays. I'm sorry for doing this and I'm not doing it anymore. This trend could ruin LBP3. If this continues, level sections like highest rated and busiest could be filled with with these bad levels. I'm not entirely sure what to do about this, but one things for sure. Don't play obvious copied levels like mortal combat and "Unlock all DLC levels" that are in the newest level section. Only play the legitimate ones.

Not to be all 'doom and gloom' but the LBP3 community wasn't even very alive to begin with (both population and activity), especially compared to previous installments. So I'm not too surprised at the types of players that are hanging around the game now.

Still, I hope this game can make a comeback. Maybe they'll have the online multiplayer and bugs ironed out by the end of this year and will HOPEFULLY bring back the DIVE IN feature so the community can thrive.

With all that said (sorry my views are so pessimistic), I agree that the small community we have right now should be preserved and not become a wasteland of copies and scams. :frightened:

I agree. And sorry for making this such a big deal about this. Right now it's still possible to find good levels, so maybe things aren't so bad right now. What I'm worried about is more or less the future of LBP3. At this rate, we could see these bad levels getting thousands of plays. I take back what I said about not boosting levels. Me and other creators should boost their levels on to the top of the newest level page as long as they're good. I feel people should play these levels. That way good levels will get plays and bad and copied levels won't. If we have a community effort to boost good levels on the newest level page, these bad copied levels won't get a dime! :p

To be honest, who cares? If you work really hard on your levels and want some recognition, post your levels here -
http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/for...Level-Showcase

No such thing as a bad level, just differences of opinion. :p

It's actually a bit more of a serious topic then you guys are making it out to be. It's basically a recreation of the cool pages, which as we all know ruined lbp.

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Originally Posted by ForgottenEnigma

No such thing as a bad level, just differences of opinion. :p

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I've seen scam levels doing this technique. I would call them bad levels because the creators are purposefully tricking creators and giving them the opposite of what they want. For example: [Link removed]

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Originally Posted by gurren009

It's actually a bit more of a serious topic then you guys are making it out to be. It's basically a recreation of the cool pages, which as we all know ruined lbp.

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A serious topic? Its completely irrelevant. It doesn't affect your gameplay. You want to play good level, you just have to know where to look.

Let's not name and shame anyone, ok?

The reason it may appear we are not taking this seriously is because this thread has appeared time and time again over the years. What we have learned from this is that just because a certain page of a menu is filled with levels that we personally don't want to play does not mean the game is ruined. Higher quality levels will still exist and while it is true they may not get a huge amount of plays, those who enjoy them will still enjoy them and the creators who make them most likely had a good time making them. Effectively, what makes the game a game. Who are we to judge what people enjoy? If the majority truly want to play copied bomb, shark, DLC or combat levels then the pages are servicing them perfectly by promoting those first and foremost. For the rest of us we have the fan sites who each have teams working tirelessly to uncover unique and wonderful experiences.

We have had so many threads like this about the cool pages and in each and every one of them I say pretty much the same thing.

Ignore them... :)

Yup, there are probably tons of players wanting to take advantage of whatever system there is to jump to the top, but that doesn't mean they are good levels that we would be interested in. Thing is, quite a few of these rascals you would love to name, (please don't) are quite young. Many of the players that think those levels brilliant are also quite young. It doesn't matter... let them have their "fun".

That is why sites like this are so important to serious creators and players. You will do much better looking in the vast collection of spotlighted levels and in our Level Showcase than ever worrying about the latest and greatest at some automated list thingy. Another way is via LBP.me and watching the hearted lists of like minded players and amazing creators.

I guess your right about this. But I feel the problem is more about trying to find good new levels to play(aside from fansites) and how new creaters are going to get their levels to the top. If these copied levels fill up pages like highest rated and busiest, then how are people going to find new levels?(And I'm talking about new levels people create. Not the old and famous ones.) Another problem is how new creators(who don't know about fansites) are going to get plays on their levels. I think 1 solution to this is for the new creators to boost their levels on the newest levels page, but that's just me. Also, I apologize for the link. I wasn't thinking about forum rules for some reason.

EDIT: But yeah, you guys are right. I'm sorry for making such a big deal about this. I guess I was getting a little worried since from what I've seen, these levels are getting tons of plays. I was afraid lbp3 would have a system similar to lbp2, where it gets flooded with bad levels.

The big question is... To the top of what? ;)

Again, you are assuming some electronic equation is going to find you a level that is good. It's not... it is all subjective and why looking into our spotlights will do you so much better than any kind of stat engine.

For an example... How do you pick a great movie to watch? Stats? Reviewers? Word of mouth from your buddies?

I suspect the last two rather than stats.

Of course your point does count towards people who know about fansites and fansite picks. But I remember a point in lbp2 where I could not find any good levels at all. I didn't know about fansites or anything like that. I was looking at stuff like cool pages. There was also a point on lbp2 where I couldn't get any plays on my level. I didn't know any fansites I could post my levels on. The point I'm really making here is that the system of levels in lbp is very flawed, and it's something that copiers and other creators could take advantage of. It's not something that forum posters like us have to worry about. It's more of a problem for new players who want plays or who want good levels to find. They don't know how to find good levels like us and their forced to play copied ones. So essentially this system could mess up lbp on the inside but not the outside(fansites). But as I said in the post above, this is not a big problem. I really apologize for making such a pointless thread, since it doesn't really count toward us, but rather new players. Also, the ruin lbp thing was ridiculous. I was just in a rush to post something without really thinking about what I was saying LOL. But all of you guys' posts are correct.

Unless something has changed that I'm not aware of...

I'm pretty sure when a spotlight is released either here or on one of the other fan sites then it will also get published on the in-game news feed. That only requires players to click on it and they get taken to a hub full of carefully selected levels.

Yeah you guys are right. I was just arguing a point that isn't really important. I'm just kind of sad that lbp3's going to get flooded with these scam and copied levels. It's true that the best thing we can do is ignore them, but it still sucks that with the newest levels section, they can live even more. Sumo though they got rid of these levels by getting rid of the cool pages, but that didn't work :(.

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Originally Posted by ForgottenEnigma

Unless something has changed that I'm not aware of...

I'm pretty sure when a spotlight is released either here or on one of the other fan sites then it will also get published on the in-game news feed. That only requires players to click on it and they get taken to a hub full of carefully selected levels.

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Yup... think so.

And again, LBP.me is such an awesome tool if you know how to use it. (..as I suggested in my previous post)

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Originally Posted by gurren009

Yeah you guys are right. I was just arguing a point that isn't really important. I'm just kind of sad that lbp3's going to get flooded with these scam and copied levels. It's true that the best thing we can do is ignore them, but it still sucks that with the newest levels section, they can live even more. Sumo though they got rid of these levels by getting rid of the cool pages, but that didn't work http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/ima...es/1/frown.gif.

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No worries. http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/ima...es/1/smile.gif

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Originally Posted by ForgottenEnigma

No such thing as a bad level, just differences of opinion. :p

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This. I totally agree with this here.

I would argue that they're bad levels out there. Not talking about levels new creators make. I'm talking about hate levels, scam levels, etc. I'm not naming anyone, but those levels are purposefully hurting other people. There's also copied levels, which as we all know is when a player copies and original piece of work and claims it as their own.

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Originally Posted by gurren009

I would argue that they're bad levels out there. Not talking about levels new creators make. I'm talking about hate levels, scam levels, etc. I'm not naming anyone, but those levels are purposefully hurting other people. There's also copied levels, which as we all know is when a player copies and original piece of work and claims it as their own.

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This has always been an issue. It has always been labeled as something that will destroy LBP. I understand that it is a serious issue but it's always been like this. It's only more noticible now due to the absolutely terrible search functions. People have always attempted to stop it but couldn't. Honestly this will not be the thing that kills LBP. Here on LBPC, other websites and even in game people advertise their levels and others as well.

Another thing you will also need to realise is that this game is a "family game" (code words for something marketed towards young children.) What is the average age of LBP players? It'll be somewhere in the region of 10. They play these levels. They copy these levels. This is a fact. I've accepted this but saying it will kill LBP is an overreaction.

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Originally Posted by Shooter0898

This has always been an issue. It has always been labeled as something that will destroy LBP. I understand that it is a serious issue but it's always been like this. It's only more noticible now due to the absolutely terrible search functions. People have always attempted to stop it but couldn't. Honestly this will not be the thing that kills LBP. Here on LBPC, other websites and even in game people advertise their levels and others as well.

Another thing you will also need to realise is that this game is a "family game" (code words for something marketed towards young children.) What is the average age of LBP players? It'll be somewhere in the region of 10. They play these levels. They copy these levels. This is a fact. I've accepted this but saying it will kill LBP is an overreaction.

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Your all right about this. I guess there really is nothing we can do. Like you said, the lbp community is filled with young kids. They'll always be playing these bad levels and giving their creators more attention. So I'm guessing that on this forum, you guys have been discussing the topic of cool pages and have accepted that there's nothing you can do about it, right? Well there's probably nothing we can do about the newest level section either. I guess we all just have to accept that the lbp community and levels aren't perfect. However this brings me to another question. Is there anything Sumo can do to fix this?

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Originally Posted by gurren009

Is there anything Sumo can do to fix this?

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1. Bring back lucky dips.
2. Let there be a function that allows you to search but doesn't stop after the first twenty or so levels.
3. Cool levels need to be brought back (However make copied levels ineligible from appearing on it)