DNC VS Republican Convention

[12454522412412]

If anyone watched the DNC... i think there were some great speeches and speakers... with the hurricane hitting... the Republicans lost a lot of their high-profile speakers...

I dont want republicans in the whitehouse for a very long time... however, i dont like obama... In 8th grade, he didint take a picture with me... its a personal thing...

anyways... Who do u think will win and why?

(P.S.) Whats with McCain's VP? Alaska! seriously?

[bbroman]

Me and Guitar vs. Marino thread! Time to throw down! (again)

[Harrisment]

I will refrain from participating in this thread other than to say Obama/Biden FTW!

[bbroman]

In all seriousness, I'm pulling for McCain and Palin. I don't think they're my perfect candidate, but I'm afraid of Obama's inexperience. Also, I'm staunchly capitalist, and I don't really like universal healthcare. Obama, however, does. I can see why people support him and like him, but I honestly don't.

McCain, on the other hand, also has some screwed up policies. I just think his are screwed up less than Obama's.

[Harrisment]

Urge to respond rising............................................ .


Nope, not going to go there. I like you too much bbroman

[bbroman]

Go ahead, respond. I won't care. As long as it stays civil, this is good for the forum, actually.

[12454522412412]

mccain has had cancer several times... he is old as hell... he even said that he might die in office... when that happens, obama will look like jesus... even tho obama can go to hell for all i care, republicans have to be stopped... maybe obama will be the next clinton...

[Code1337]

If I could vote, it would be for McCain. Obama is socialist, so I don't want him in office.

[Guitarrassdeamor]

Me and Guitar vs. Marino thread! Time to throw down! (again)

Hells yeah son!

Nobama 2008!! 57 states WTF?!?

[Harrisment]

Alright, I guess.

First, to Obama's supposed lack of experience. Here are the highlights of his legislative career in both the Illinois State Senate and in Congress (totaling 11+ years as a legislator):

Obama was elected to the Illinois Senate in 1996, Once elected, Obama gained bipartisan support for legislation reforming ethics and health care laws. He sponsored a law increasing tax credits for low-income workers, negotiated welfare reform, and promoted increased subsidies for childcare. In 2001, as co-chairman of the bipartisan Joint Committee on Administrative Rules, Obama supported Republican Governor Ryan's payday loan regulations and predatory mortgage lending regulations aimed at averting home foreclosures. In 2003, Obama sponsored and led unanimous, bipartisan passage of legislation to monitor racial profiling by requiring police to record the race of drivers they detained and legislation making Illinois the first state to mandate videotaping of homicide interrogations.

In January 2003, Obama became chairman of the Illinois Senate's Health and Human Services Committee. During his 2004 general election campaign for U.S. Senate, police representatives credited Obama for his active engagement with police organizations in enacting death penalty reforms

As a member of the Democratic minority in the 109th Congress, he helped create legislation to control conventional weapons and to promote greater public accountability in the use of federal funds. He also made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. During the 110th Congress, he helped create legislation regarding lobbying and electoral fraud, climate change, nuclear terrorism, and care for returned U.S. military personnel.

Although he clearly has less experience than John McCain does, I believe Obama's experience+judgement qualifies him to be President. Also, when looking at Vice Presidents, the number one qualification of being vp is being able to assume the duties and responsibilities of the president. No one outside of the McCain camp and hard hard hard right republicans (and even then, they are just saying because of politics) believes that Sarah Palin will be able to assume presidency if it comes to that.

And thats the rub. A 72 year old guy with a history of skin cancer coming back 4 times, has just put the 1st term gov. from Alaska, population 690,000 a heartbeat away from the presidency. Will someone with no experience on the national stage, no foreign policy experience (or even knowledge apparently, she said in an interview she hasnt really been paying attention to the war in Iraq), or any experience dealing with national domestic issues be able to lead this country? No.

Obama has better judgement and policies than McCain on all the important issues, and he has way more experience than Gov. Palin does when it comes to everything outside of a PTA meeting. We haven't even touched on Joe Biden's long and distinguished career, and his wealth of experience and knowledge.

Capitalism isn't going to die with Obama. Yes, he is proposing some programs that are a bit socialist, but they are needed for the greater good of the nation and all Americans (for instance, I don't need universal healthcare, but if 10 cents is taken out of my paycheck to support it, then i'm fine with that.).

[Marino]

Hm. Is this even allowed? IMO, it shouldn't be. This is a controversy-provoking topic...

A flame war in the making.

[Harrisment]

There is flame war potential here, but if people can be serious, and dont attack individual forum members, it might be ok.

I think that people who have legitimately done their research (for instance, Obama is not a socialist) and have paid attention to politics should be able to talk about a subject without attacking.

At the first sign of me getting angry, im just going to post that i'm done. No flaming from me.

[bbroman]

Exactly. Talking about politics isn't bad. Debating about them isn't bad. Flaming about them is bad. I'm in here, I can keep things under control if need be.

Anyway; I'm sorry, I can't say that Palin's all that less experienced than Obama. Think about it: Obama has had one term in a legislative position (sorry, I don't really count state senate as experience; the difference between state politics (particularly in Chicago) and national politics is huge); Palin has had one term in an executive position. I don't think you can really say that Obama has all that much more experience, and he's going right into the presidency.

I don't think capitalism will "die" with Obama at the helm. I don't think he'll drive the country into the ground. But I do think these measures may do some damage.

[Harrisment]

So you're discounting 11+ years of legislative experience (State Senate, especially Illinois, has had to deal with a LOT of important issues, and states issues are just a microcosim (sp?) of national issues), for 1.5 years of executive experience in a state with less of a population than Obama's district in Chicago?

I get your argument that Obama is running for President while Palin is running for vp, but in the end, everyone on a Presidential ticket needs to be held to a Presidental standard (especially with McCain being 72 and a history of cancer). So, unless i'm missing something with Palin, she doesn't pass that threshold.

What has Palin done as Gov. that can be translated to the national stage as relevant experience?

[RockSauron]

I would like to know why people would be against Universal Health Care. What, because they can't afford it means they have to pay for it themselves, even though they can't, which- yeah.