Doctor Who - New Series

**Kern•** · 04-30-2011

Originally Posted by Jedi_1993

I doubt that the girl is the Doctors. Maybe the result of some sort of paradox?

or the Baby Got Time-Head

**Nuclearfish** · 04-30-2011

Enjoyed tonight's episode. Way way better than anything else on TV these days, but I'm ready for a pirate episode next week.

My main problem is the same as the Impossible Astronaut - there was just too much going on. The weird thing is, last episode the main focus was on the astronaut/girl, with the Silents just there in the background. Yet this episode our main characters have suddenly diverted all their attention towards the Silents, and now the astronaut/girl plotline is just going on in the background. It's like there's two seperate things going on so Stephen Moffat just threw them both together into a single episode. It reminds me of Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone where the first part was all about the Weeping Angels but then the second part turns its attention towards the crack. Except this was much more confusing.

I didn't like the use of the "Let's End on an Awesome Cliffhanger and then Completely Ignore its Resolution at the Start of the Next Episode/Scene" trope. So Amy shot the girl (but missed as we later find out), the Doctor looks horrified, and then... what? What exactly happened next? Surely they didn't just let the girl/astronaut walk off after they went all that way specifically to save her? Instead we jump forward 3 months where the companions are for no explained reason in seperate areas of America running from the FBI, and the Doctor is locked up for no explained reason. And then we get a little flashback of them back in the warehouse encountering the Silent ("Oh no! Amy just shot at a little girl but let's ignore that because there's a big alien standing there doing nothing who's suddenly far more important to the plot now that we're in Part 2". I was looking forward to the Doctor meeting the Silents and we never really saw it properly.

And speaking of the Silents... what exactly was their big evil scheme? Something about planting the idea of the going to moon, but why? It doesn't sound particularly evil. And the only evil thing the Silents did was kill Joy in the last episode, which nobody can even remember, so why is the Doctor so bothered by this revolution? Why do they all need to die? It doesn't make sense.

It seems to me that Stepehn Moffat has a checklist of things he wanted to include in these episodes. Creepy monsters? Check. Creepy astronaut? Check. Random unexplained scenes in Monomument Valley, just because we can? Check. Doctor in Area 51 with a beard? It makes no sense to the plot, but check.

I'm not trying to hate on the episode, like I say I did really enjoy it, but I would have enjoyed it much more if Moffat had just focused on one plotline. Give us the Silents or give us the little girl/astronaut, but not both. There's enough subplots as it is.

All that said, WOW that was a great cliffhanger I didn't see coming!

**Jedi_1993** · 04-30-2011

Well, in the last series we had the crack in the wall & the silence. I guess this time it's the silence & the girl?

I'm really interested in the ship they're in at the end. If it is a ship. The thing that was in James Corden's character's house in Colchester (Hometown!). The Doctor recognised it and sort of just left it.

Also, the Doctor didn't seem too bothered about practically committing a genocide. Despite being totally against his 'human copy' doing it at the end of Donna's run as the companion. Hmmm...

AND (One last thing) did River Song refer to the Doctor as 'My old fella'? It's after she shoots all of the silence in the ship(?).

**TehUberZac** · 04-30-2011

Second episode was much cleverer. I don't however think that either of the first two, were a god opener for a series.

**Jedi_1993** · 04-30-2011

Originally Posted by TehUberZac

Second episode was much cleverer. I don't however think that either of the first two, were a god opener for a series.

They opened up enough questions to keep people watching the new series to try and get answers. I think that getting people to watch the whole series is a good opening.

**Rabid-Coot** · 04-30-2011

Originally Posted by Jedi_1993

Also, the Doctor didn't seem too bothered about practically committing a genocide. Despite being totally against his 'human copy' doing it at the end of Donna's run as the companion. Hmmm...

He loves doing genocides and hates letting others have all the fun.

**Patronus21** · 05-01-2011

I loved it, but I didn't like the jump in time between these two episodes, and the lack of explanation for it. I hope they go back and cover that somehow. Overall these two episodes seem to be far too okay with lack of explanation. What about when Rory and River were trapped in the ship with the Silence coming after them? And on a lesser note: River just suddenly appears without a sound (well, okay a gunshot) in the middle of desert behind the Doctor, Amy, and Rory without them noticing anything? I'm okay with not knowing everything, because that's part of the fun, but this was just odd. Overall though, it was a great ride. My best bet is that that little girl is River's daughter.

Also, we know that Craig Owens will be making another appearance in an episode that's like a sequel to The Lodger, so thankfully we will have more resolution to that ship it sounds like. It was never revealed who the ship belonged to in Lodger, so that wasn't much of a problem for me.

Prequel to the next episode.

**Rabid-Coot** · 05-01-2011

Youtube version of the prequel for those that can't access iplayer

Trailer for the episode.

**Boomy** · 05-01-2011

Seems like an idea was stolen from Pirates of the Caribbean heh

**Rabid-Coot** · 05-01-2011

Originally Posted by Boomy

Seems like an idea was stolen from Pirates of the Caribbean heh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Spot

**Plasmavore** · 05-01-2011

What I'd like to see is an episode of Doctor Who where they explain the mystery of the Mary Celeste somehow, they could have done it with this next episode perhaps, even though the Mary Celeste was not a pirate ship..

**Rabid-Coot** · 05-01-2011

Originally Posted by Plasmavore

What I'd like to see is an episode of Doctor Who where they explain the mystery of the Mary Celeste somehow, they could have done it with this next episode perhaps, even though the Mary Celeste was not a pirate ship..

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Mary_Celeste

**Nuclearfish** · 05-01-2011

A thought has popped into my head.

If River and the Doctor always meet in opposite order... what exactly is the point of River's diary? Asking "Have we done this yet?" is clearly always going to get a "No" reply from the Doctor, because her past is his future.

Obviously this isn't always true because of future Doctor in the Impossible Astronaut, so... is River lying? Why would she? Is it the exact opposite order they meet or just mostly the opposite order?

**Plasmavore** · 05-01-2011

Originally Posted by Rabid-Coot

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Mary_Celeste

Oh.

idontneed10characters

**Jakest123** · 05-01-2011

I quite enjoyed Day of the Moon. The red light in the palm was a clever addition.

Anyone else think the way the Silence sleep is seriously creepy?

**Kern•** · 05-01-2011

Originally Posted by Jakest123

I quite enjoyed Day of the Moon. The red light in the palm was a clever addition.

Anyone else think the way the Silence sleep is seriously creepy?

Well the Krillitanes did it so...

Also was it just me or did the red light thing look far too big to fit in anyones palm without causing extreme pain

**Rabid-Coot** · 05-05-2011

And we have some stuff about episode 4 from Doctor Who Magazine

Spoiler - Spoilers

The synopsis:

The TARDIS, drawn off course by the most unlikely distress signal, materialises outside of time and space itself. In this bubble universe, the Doctor meets Idris and her aunt and uncle, who live together in a scrapyard of impossible things. Idris, it seems, is mad. And when the Doctor finds out why she is the way she is, things start to get a bit complicated. And unmentionable.

The quote:

The Doctor: "Time Lord emergency messaging system. Like a flare pistol. In an emergency, we'd wrap up our thoughts in psychic containers and send them through time and space. OK, not like a flare pistol. Anyway there's a living Time Lord still out there! And it's one of the good ones!"

Rory: "You said there weren't any Time Lords left."

Doctor: "There aren't. No Time Lords left anywhere in the universe. But the universe isn't where we're going."

And, again thanks to DWTV, Gaiman clarified a few key points.

* This story will change the way we see a key part of series' mythology.
* We see an infinite TARDIS corridor (pictured below).
* Originally there was a "TARDIS hall of mirrors" that instead got replaced with an "Ood being really scary in the dark".
* There was going to be a TARDIS swimming pool scene, but it was too expensive to film.
* The episode was originally going to have Rory trapped in the Zero Room.

http://www.combom.co.uk/2011/05/high...magazines.html

**Kern•** · 05-05-2011

Originally Posted by Rabid-Coot

* There was going to be a TARDIS swimming pool scene, but it was too expensive to film.

I guess they blew their budget going to america

**Rabid-Coot** · 05-06-2011

BBC 4 has Elisabeth Sladens last story as a regular fron the classic era "The Hand of Fear" on Monday and Tuesday at 19:40 if anyone's interested.

Originally Posted by KernelM

I guess they blew their budget going to america

I think that was funded by extra money from BBC America.

**Boomy** · 05-07-2011

Tonights episode looks good

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