Doctor Who - New Series

[GribbleGrunger]

Well... didn't see that ending coming... I was convinced for the longest time that we might of got a new companion. Satisfying episode.

Although... didn't they say in the last series that something apocalyptic would happen when the question "Doctor who?" was asked?

I think we HAVE seen the new companion! She made the Daleks forget Dr Who and that's going to cause quite the problem. He's going to have to undo that if history isn't going to be altered indefinitely... so, he's going to have to prevent her from crashing on the planet! watch and see. Why is she so good at hacking? Who taught her... (statement or question?) and remember, only we saw her and heard her, Dr Who didn't. He just saw a dalek and heard a dalek

Don't you also think that she was very sure of her self, just as Dr Who it? Daughter?

[ForgottenEnigma]

Well just to confirm, I watched the credits again and checked the new companion news articles on the BBC. It is the same person... not sure about anyone else but she certainly proved she would be perfect in the role.

Spoilers.

so the question now is how the transformation will occur, or how far the Daleks actually transformed her body, the doctor said full conversion but we did see that scene where she was human linked up to Dalek tech so maybe her body isn't actually damaged and only her mind is broken. We know from Daleks in Manhatten that a Dalek suit can hold a human sized body, so it isn't too much of a strech.

@Gribble, sure it could be time travel, but surely every Dalek before that point in time would still remember him so history wouldn't be damaged... well that's assuming the hive mind doesn't work across time itself of course. As to saving her, he can't before the events of the episode, if he did then he wouldn't of had a reason to save her and we'd meet our old friend paradox again. Remember he can't travel back and change his own time stream.

[GribbleGrunger]

Well just to confirm, I watched the credits again and checked the new companion news articles on the BBC. It is the same person... not sure about anyone else but she certainly proved she would be perfect in the role.

Spoilers.

so the question now is how the transformation will occur, or how far the Daleks actually transformed her body, the doctor said full conversion but we did see that scene where she was human linked up to Dalek tech so maybe her body isn't actually damaged and only her mind is broken. We know from Daleks in Manhatten that a Dalek suit can hold a human sized body, so it isn't too much of a strech.

@Gribble, sure it could be time travel, but surely every Dalek before that point in time would still remember him so history wouldn't be damaged... well that's assuming the hive mind doesn't work across time itself of course. As to saving her, he can't before the events of the episode, if he did then he wouldn't of had a reason to save her and we'd meet our old friend paradox again. Remember he can't travel back and change his own time stream.

A paradox only exists in theory or science fiction. Dr Who is fantasy so rules can be bent. It would be more dangerous for the universe (Who talk) if Dr Who left things the way they are. There will be some considering on Whos part but at the end of the day he will risk changing the past in order to secure stability overall. And I still think that Dr Who and the girl are related in some way. That would also be quite a nice dilemma for Dr Who to consider, especially if he found out before then that she was related. That's an interesting double whammy

they're often playing on the fact that we don't always know if he has companions for their sake or his. So the theme could be: Did he do it for himself, because she was family, or because he truly wanted to save the universe?

In fact there's so much in there to broaden and deepen Dr Whos character that I'm more or less certain it will be along those lines

What happened to the Doctor's daughter after the Doctor Who episode “The Doctors Daughter”?

http://scifi.stackexchange.com/quest...de-the-doctors

Synopsis of 'The Doctors Daughter'

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Doc...%28TV_story%29

Back on Messaline, Hath Gable and Cline look at Jenny's body in sadness.
Jenny's revival
Suddenly, she breathes out a cloud of green gas from the Source and revives just as the Doctor had hoped. She smiles and says, "Hello boys", before running off into the ship. Gable and Cline follow her to find she is taking one of the escape shuttles. Cline asks her what she is doing over the intercom and Jenny laughs if he is going to tell her dad on her, saying she has a lot to see, planets to save, rescue civilisations, monsters to defeat, and an awful lot of running to do.

[PygmyOwl]

I always wished the Doctor's daughter would return. Would be interesting to have another non-human companion.

[flamingemu]

I thought the doctor would meet her sometime in the past, thus giving her an ultimate demise that the doctor knows of while she is a companion giving us some interesting plot . And I loved the episode, I don't care what anyone else thinks .

[Super_Dork_42]

I thought the doctor would meet her sometime in the past, thus giving her an ultimate demise that the doctor knows of while she is a companion giving us some interesting plot . And I loved the episode, I don't care what anyone else thinks .

One River Song is enough preknowledge without doing that again.

[Ostler5000•]

I thoroughly enjoyed the first episode of the new season.

*Spoilers*
Couldn't help but feel the ending wasn't very... Dalek. I mean, The Cult of Skaro killed Dalek Sec on the grounds he was no longer a pure Dalek, or even a Dalek at all, yet it's perfectly OK to take a Human and turn them into a Dalek.
Slight inconsistencies in the rulebook of Dalek conduct I believe.

[Testudini]

[ForgottenEnigma]

Ok new kinda "out there" theory... but

I know it's a quite different theory but it would allow for a successful character integration into the series without the need to alter the past in any way.

[GribbleGrunger]

Ok new kinda "out there" theory... but

I know it's a quite different theory but it would allow for a successful character integration into the series without the need to alter the past in any way.

The only thing with that is it would do the one thing writers should never do: 'It was all a dream'. It would devalue the first episode because we'd suddenly realize it didn't happen the way we thought. The consequence of his actions and hers are far more interesting too. The fact that the Daleks no longer have a distraction will enable them to proceed as intended. The fear of the Dr was one of the reasons they never conquered the universe as they wanted. I'm still inclined to think that Dr Who will realise that what she did was terrible for mankind and will go back to prevent her doing it. It being his daughter would also add a new dimension to the motives of Dr Who.

[ForgottenEnigma]

and have you seen the writing in some previous episodes... I wouldn't put it past them.

[GribbleGrunger]

and have you seen the writing in some previous episodes... I wouldn't put it past them.

Well, yes, they have taken many liberties with the idea of time travel, but they have been largely acceptable for science fantasy. If it was science fiction then everything would have to be at least theoretically possible. It's not a matter of taking liberties with time though, it's making the biggest mistake any writer could make. 'It was all a dream' is one of if not THE biggest no-nos in the business. Moffat is no hack

[ForgottenEnigma]

well Skaro was brought back for this episode which I believe was destroyed in the time war during the older series of Doctor who, and even if they had some excuse for its resurection they still neglected their own plot devive about the entire time war being locked in a bubble. So surely the people who watched those episodes were annoyed to learn that the events they saw did not happen either and that a planet they thought was destroyed survived?

Surely it's the same principle as learning a characters fate was not as we thought? but erm... with a whole planet.

Oh well... time will tell.

[GribbleGrunger]

well Skaro was brought back for this episode which I believe was destroyed in the time war during the older series of Doctor who, and even if they had some excuse for its resurection they still neglected their own plot devive about the entire time war being locked in a bubble. So surely the people who watched those episodes were annoyed to learn that the events they saw did not happen either and that a planet they thought was destroyed survived?

Surely it's the same principle as learning a characters fate was not as we thought? but erm... with a whole planet.

Oh well... time will tell.

No, that's different. Twisting theory is not the same as finding out it was all a dream. In the scenario you described it DID happen, but an alternative reality was written in which it didn't. With the scenario I described it didn't happen at all, we jut thought it did. There is a big distinction there.

[ForgottenEnigma]

Well maybe your right, they already did the false fate thing with the Doctors death last series... you know... how we all thought he was dead in the events that we saw but it turned out to be the tessalecta. I doubt they would use the false fate plot device two series in a row.

[GribbleGrunger]

Well maybe your right, they already did the false fate thing with the Doctors death last series... you know... how we all thought he was dead in the events that we saw but it turned out to be the tessalecta. I doubt they would use the false fate plot device two series in a row.

I'm not saying they won't do what you described, I'm just saying that it's unlikely. This will probably be written by Steven Moffat and he's very consistent with the universes he creates.

[ForgottenEnigma]

To be honest it doesn't matter what either of us think, it has already been written and nothing we can do will change that. I guess after some episodes *cough* last christmas special *cough* I've lost alot of faith in the writing. I did like the asylum episode but I can't help but feel they will take a cheap way out of the Oswin twist they created.

[GribbleGrunger]

To be honest it doesn't matter what either of us think, it has already been written and nothing we can do will change that. I guess after some episodes *cough* last christmas special *cough* I've lost alot of faith in the writing. I did like the asylum episode but I can't help but feel they will take a cheap way out of the Oswin twist they created.

yes but has it already been written? Or was it a dream

[Rabid-Coot]

It wouldn't be the first time an actor has played a different part before getting a larger role. Karren had a part in the Pompei episode, Freema played a scientist that died in the series 2 finale and Colin Baker played a minor character the year before he got the part of the 6th Doctor.

[Super_Dork_42]

Spatial genetic multiplicity. That is all.