The rich become richer and the poor quit trying.

[Merc]

PiggaBling, i mean people in the community, they wouldnt have to be payed, if youve played any other online games youll see that there are moderaters in the community that dont need to get payed

[RangerZero]

PiggaBling, i mean people in the community, they wouldnt have to be payed, if youve played any other online games youll see that there are moderaters in the community that dont need to get payed

They were having ideas of self moderating community, see that good grief tool. However, here again, they didn't think through it and it's quite useless right now.
The community would need a moderating tool that is MORE PRECISE. Here again, how the moderation tool should work:

- Precise and clear. Even if it takes more than 2 mins to grief something, this would only reduce the spam griefing.

- People should fill different fields like the type of thing they want to report. (images uploaded, offending title or description, copyrighted content, obscene stuff in the level, etc).

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[PPp_Killer]

- Levels can only be published, With a name, Description and Icon.
- Level publication should also be refused if the name has less that 5 characters in the name.

While your ideas are good, the 'Levels can only be published, With a name, Description and Icon.' part is not a good idea.

Mosts people who make really not great levels, will publish it without a name or description. So, we just eliminated a lot of junk from the system.
Users levels should have a secret 5/5 star system that cannot be viewed by us, kinda like the user rated one with have but instead this secret star system follows rules.
The more stars you have, the better your level will be promoted, less stars you have the less your level will be promoted.

You gain (or lose) stars based on, your reputation, if you filled out the levels description, name and icon and so on.

Everybody will have 3 secret stars to start with, to get 5/5 stars you will need to have:
1. A good reputation (gain one secret star)
2. Five out of Five user rated stars (gain one secret star).
To get 1/5 secrets star, you will need to have either:
1. A bad reputation (lose one secret star)
2. Failed to fill in the levels description and so on/put h4h etc (lose one secret star).
3. One out of Five user rated stars (lose one secret star).

Now for the secret Reputation system, that one is hard since to think of so lets say:
Everybody will have a normal reputation to start with, to get a good one you need to:
1. Have a high heart to play ratio

To get a bad Reputation, you will need a
1. Low heart to play ratio.

Most bomb/shark/race levels rely on high plays (restarts) to keep them on top of the page, but they have low hearts. So if these people get a bad Reputation, they would need more plays to climb on top on the pages. But with the good souls (Us on the forums) we will climb on top with less effort (plays) since we get a 4-5 secret star rating and they get 1 -2. I also don't think the cool pages should be based on how much plays you have but instead in some sort of hidden points, but I'm not going to go into detail that.

The user rating system should be fixed also, I'm tired seeing wonderful levels get 3 or 4 stars when they deserve 5!

I know, as discussing this is SOOO pointless due to the fact that it's been nearly two years since the game has been released, but I dislike the fact that good levels out there are being blocked out by average to junk levels. Like i said, I want a system that pushes great levels on top of each other, not a system that can be exploited to allow Spam, H4H, Bomb survival, shark survival, monster tuck mandess 7, copied levels to cogged up the cool pages. I want to play levels like 'A Realm Forgotten' 'The adventure of comic sackboy?' Or that recent 'Dragon Slayer' series. Also that wonderfully done Titanic level, Those levels stay imprinted in my head as 'amazing'. When I load up the cool pages, I want to actually get, cool levels, not search for them, like I have always have been doing.

My suggestion.

EDIT:
Oh, I think I know why they have finally fixed the republishing trick. Most likely they're are testing it for the LBP2, because the beta is on (closed/private) or it's coming soon. Most likely related to LBP.me

[ladylyn1]

Could we seen the noobs and the creators unite?

Imagine, decent creators want to get there level up the pages, so they ask the noobs who are already up there to add a key to their levels... the end is history.

And I completely agree with everything said above, it's a rediculous system.

As some might have noticed I got REALLY lucky with the change over and Cirque de la Nuit (which I happened to republish for fun) has hit the front page for a good couple of days. Cirque has consistently been the busiest level for its time on the front cool page... at one point it had 325 people on! This just shows that people do still want to play proper levels and that MM need to sort out a much better system to get decent levels up the pages.

I would suggest allowing a level to move up according to its play-heart ratio therefore removing all bomb survivals and such.

[Macnme]

Can someone explain to me what exactly has changed with the key system? Can't seem to see it mentioned anywhere?!


My Tuppence:
It would be nice if the level author had more control over the photo's submitted, being able to select a "default" pic - selecting with a checkbox tool what photo's are in the running order - and being able to delete photo's from the bank.

[Rogar]

99% of levels in LBP are pure rubbish.

Some creators of those other 2.970.000 "lesser' levels have put in their best effort and would like some plays, too. Also, lots of players like bomb survival and kill your friend levels. The cool pages aren't just for you, so don't be surprised when there's something on it you don't like.

There shouldn't be trophies or rewards that would incitate bad behavior. The "sharing" part shouldn't be presented like a competition. Reach a certain number of level published, having X number of hearts on your stuff, etc That's all very bad ideas that only leads to spam and abuse (and that's what happened!).

I'm getting a bit tired of hearing this myth. Those infamous level spammers had enough hearts for the Create trophy already. I see plenty of people claiming that their level should have 10.000 plays. It's not about the trophies, it's just greed and ego.

If LBP had suggestions a la Youtube like you suggest, H4H wouldn't be as much of a problem anyway.

Other than that, your suggestions sound good enough, and from what I've read about LBP2 and lbp.me, you may get your wish.

- Levels can only be published, With a name, Description and Icon.
- Level publication should also be refused if the name has less that 5 characters in the name.

This is silly. Lazy creators will use equally non-descriptive 5-letter names, while hardworking creators are punished when they want to publish Go!. It doesn't solve anything.

so many nubs have played my weapon and vehicle levels, and given it 1 star because they either: don't like weapons or vehicles, dont realize they can grab them or, they think its an actual level.

Very few weapon and vehicle creators get recognition, there are only a few that I have seen in the cool pages, some of them terrible at it, KamikazieCupcake for example.
These things that I have suggested would help the weapon and vehicle makers, we are a dying breed, overwhelmed by shark survivals and H4H.

You recognize that "nubs" won't like your vehicle level and rate it badly, yet you want it to appear on Cool Levels where more "nubs" will play it?

If you really want recognition, stay off the cool pages, and promote it in the Object Showcase here.

[Sehven•]

I must've missed it: what happened with the cool pages? What's up with the talk of keys and level comments?

Can someone explain to me what exactly has changed with the key system? Can't seem to see it mentioned anywhere?!

So..... anybody know the answer to this?

You recognize that "nubs" won't like your vehicle level and rate it badly, yet you want it to appear on Cool Levels where more "nubs" will play it?

If you really want recognition, stay off the cool pages, and promote it in the Object Showcase here.

That's a very good point. I got 4 stars and a bit less than 3000 plays on both my second and fourth mechs (never published the third), but got 5000+ plays and 3 stars on my most recent, which is quite a bit more advanced than either of the others and much sturdier than my fourth. My most recent one is the one that I republished a lot to keep it on cool pages. So yeah, I got more plays, but a lower rating, 'cuz I was catering to the wrong target audience.

[grayspence]

I feel that the cool pages will never be fixed, MM have tryed to fix this over a million times! Notice anything wron with the solutions? THEY NEVER WORK! It doesnt matter about how many plays it has, its about who plays your level! I would rather have 30 poeple from here play my level, and give me their honest opinion than have 10,000 cool level trolls and "noobs" play it and rate it badly for no reason.

[PPp_Killer]

Some creators of those other 2.970.000 "lesser' levels have put in their best effort and would like some plays, too. Also, lots of players like bomb survival and kill your friend levels. The cool pages aren't just for you, so don't be surprised when there's something on it you don't like.
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I like most things, but I said 'good' you know. An actucally level with effort put into it? Go to the "find new levels" search option and look at all the new level, thats what i consider junk.
I would say there are far less levels I would call amazning in LBP. Probably lower then 3000, or even less then 300. And with that 300, i've probably only played 30 found on the top page of the cool pages. The rest, I've had to find by searching for them, by forums or friends.

EDIT: Also, there should be no trophies for creating, there are ALOT of people who want to platinum the game, so they make h4h levels, thats where they started, but some people take it overboard, naturally, because they can. You elimatied the trophy, most people that leave the game after the first month and so on (once they get the platinum) will not cheap LBP2 out and make h4h levels.

[celsus]

Like several people have asked, what is the key issue? I place keys to my levels at the end of mine, always have. Is there an issue with that? Oh and posting levels on this forum has not worked out for me at all. I keep seeing people say just post them here as a solution for plays. I have posted several of mine, and only had feedback from maybe two people (I think one said he was going to test it, but then never did, just figured it was a way to get people to play his levels, like the people that level the "great level play mine" in the level comments, but have never actually played the level). Well of the possible one or two plays on my level for feedback from this forum, neither fisnished my levels, I went played theirs, completed theirs, and left tons of feedback... and still nothing...but hey that is how it works. Just saying that posting here is far far less effective than republishing. I am constantly fixing and updating my levels, I have 20, so I can't do more with out deleting another. Well I finally published another and deleted an older one after asking the community for help in deciding which to toast...never got any feedback at all on that.

[Sehven•]

I went to your level threads figuring I'd be telling you to add pictures or something, but it seems you did everything right. I'm surprised you've gotten so little feedback. Personally, I don't go to the regular level showcase forum: I just check the cool levels forum (I don't mean cool levels on the lbp server; I mean the ones on this forum that get 20 or more posts), 'cuz I just don't have the patience to sift through all the moderate to crappy levels. I know that sounds mean and I'm probably missing a lot of good levels, but I just don't spend a lot of time playing levels so I have to narrow it down.

I'd guess that you're not getting much from the forums here 'cuz you're still really new here and you haven't built up much of a rep yet. I'd hit some of the f4f level threads (then people are obligated to check out your levels and post feedback), offer some input in the help section and just generally make yourself known and helpful (but don't make useless posts: that just ****** people off). Meanwhile, I won't promise to check out your levels ('cuz every time I promise I forget), but I'll try to check out a couple of them later.

[celsus]

Lol, thanks. Yeah, it is the story of my LBP life. I think I have just been a bit bothered at being the only person who completed my level. That and getting feedback that seemed kind of fake, finally called a person out on it, and it turned out they did not play the level. On the plus side the H4H and play my levels comments stopped at that point.

[Rogar]

I don't play a lot, but I sometimes skim over the first page of the level showcase, and not a lot will stand out to me. I'll bet many people decide whether to look at a thread based on the level's title, so make sure that catches their interest. It helps to have a target audience in mind when you do this.

[PPp_Killer]

i think the key issue is how it redirects you to other levels and how people share keys in there levels, to boost plays and what not. It should only redirect you if the level is actually locked IMO.

I actually like how the republishing fix is "finally" fixed after so long. I'm starting to see some good levels filter through, but with the 4 copied sackzilla levels on page 1 right now...

CENTURION24, I've actually seen your 'a level that plays itself 4' copyable level multiple times on the top page by different people. And I'm pretty sure there is 100+ copies of it on the LBP servers, from people clamming they made it, to people saying it's from you, copyable but not actually copyable.

That reminds me, if someone publishes a copied level (even if they modify it) it should have a link to the original level so people know it's copied and can give credit to the creator, I'm pretty sure thats in LBP2 (hopefully, so it sounds good. I actually want to just make FPS guns and outsource them into a copyable FPS Kit so people actually willing to make FPS can design interesting FPS levels easily with my level kit.

But I fear people (spamers) will literary steal it, claim it as their own, and end up turning their fan base to attack me, I know it's far fetched but kids can go overboard with little information about something thinking they're doing the right thing, or have been told by others. I've already gotten a creepy friends request, hate mail and that was for one level.

[Nugget]

Although my levels aren't good I would like to have more people then just my friends play it. ._.