An Egyptian Revolution

[Macnme]

Hope no-one minds the double-post;

So, it turns out Ex-Justice Minister Mustafa Abdul Jalil is now making a bid for leadership in Libya.
Incidentally, the 'supposed' proof that Gadaffi was behind the Locherbie bombing has still not been released - and seeing as the claims were made exclusively in the Expressen (one of the most lurid publications in the world - they also orchestrated the character assasination on Julian Assange) the claims are clearly fraudelent at worst, thread bare at best - otherwise - why not provide the proof right away in order to verify your claims?

The whole thing stinks to high heaven... if Mustafa Abdul Jalil becomes the new ipso-facto ruler of Libya.

I smell political manouvering - and I've got a nose for this kind of thing

[Astrosimi]

He spoke out against the political prisoners Gaddafi had locked up, so I'm assuming he's more or less on the good side.

[Macnme]

Yeah, I mean, he was only the justice minister of a corrupt regime.... I'm sure all of the injustices had absolutely nothing to do with him at all. Gadaffi did them all personally with his bare hands

[unXpectiD]

You got that. Gadaffi just does not listen. The fool is wanting complete power. He is just using a standard fear me or die approach but, he is far to blunt and he picked the wrong time to do it.
Sorry, but he is an ignorant fool. The regeme should collapse pretty soon though.

[Macnme]

You got that. Gadaffi just does not listen. The fool is wanting complete power. He is just using a standard fear me or die approach but, he is far to blunt and he picked the wrong time to do it.
Sorry, but he is an ignorant fool. The regeme should collapse pretty soon though.

I was being Ironic... there is no way that one man can have that level of control - he needs a support structure underneath him to carry out his orders or he's just some loon in a chair barking orders at no-one;
The likes of the now ex-justice minister was one such underling - who has now seen which way the wind is blowing and decided to go with it - this doesn't absolve him of any responsibilty for the injustices that happened while he was in the old regime. He's just power-playing to try and set himself up as the new Gadaffi - and we are enabling him to do so.
It's akin to a guard at Auschwitz jumping the fence as soon as he see's the Allies coming over the hill - and then claiming that he is the one who is 'liberating' the prisoners.

Also, it's not NATO's job to pick sides in a Civil War.

How do you think civilian pro-Gadaffi supporters are being treated by the revolutionaries as they sweep through these towns? - Fairly?- The revolutionaries don't have a police force, or prisons, or a judicial system (yet) - So it's summary executions for all!
These are the people we are providing support to

[unXpectiD]

Yes, I get what you are saying but, he is the one barking the orders and he is trying to get a totalitarianist system going. Or rather, he would like to.

[Syroc]

What do you mean "get going"? He has been at it for many, many years.

[Macnme]

What do you mean "get going"? He has been at it for many, many years.

And We've been selling him weapons for as many

That's the reason we are so confident about engaging him militarily - we know exactly what weapons he's got and we've got the reciepts to prove it

[jimydog000]

aw, why can't they do it Gandhi style

[Syroc]

And We've been selling him weapons for as many

That's the reason we are so confident about engaging him militarily - we know exactly what weapons he's got and we've got the reciepts to prove it

Yep, hence the night time attacks. Apparently no one sold them night-vision tech.

aw, why can't they do it Gandhi style

As in Ghandi from Civilization or the real Ghandi?

[Macnme]

Mustafa Abdul Jalil has now set himself up as a "Rebel" leader - and Britian and France have officially recognised them.

Incidentally - the 'proof' that Gadaffi was behind the Lockerbie bombing is still not forthcoming. It's obvious to me that Mustafa Abdul Jalil has accepted a bribe from America in order to propegate this lie (as it distracts from the 'real' reason behind the Lockerbie bombing - which was IR655) and forever bury the miscarriage of justice in framing of Al Megrahi.
It's worth noting how quickly (and with a total absence of proof) the worlds media spread the lie that Gadaffi was behind the Lockerbie bombing.

And remember when Gadaffi said that the protests were being orchestrated by members of Al Qeada - and the western media mocked him and called him crazy ; well it turns out he was telling the truth, and a sizeable part of the fighting force of the Rebels are Al Qeada fighters. But of course, there's no hypocricy in backing Islamist Militants, who yesterday we branded as terrorists and today brand as 'freedom fighters', in order to depose a Dictator (who yesterday was an ally and favoured business partner). No hypocricy at all

[unXpectiD]

You remind me of Imtiaz Dharker and one of her poems "The right word" to be presise.
Give it a read.

[Macnme]

A rather sweet little poem about terrorists.

!!!

Didn't think I'd ever hear myself say that

[unXpectiD]

I think you mean freedom fighters...
However yes, it is rather sweet and dispays how the actions of such people are veiwed.

[Macnme]

I think you mean freedom fighters...
However yes, it is rather sweet and dispays how the actions of such people are veiwed.

Well, that's the point isn;t it?
One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist.


I just wonder how any of our governments would react to a foriegn backed armed islamist uprising in their own country?
I'm sure it would be "moderately"

[unXpectiD]

I don't know, they have avoided that that topic so they do not appear to steriotype or offend or anything.
I may bring it up though just to see what reaction I get.

[Syroc]

Hello, I bring comic relief

[Macnme]

aw, why can't they do it Gandhi style

The greater our innocence, the greater our strength and the swifter our victory

You're right you know, if all sides did it Gandhi style there would be no problems in this world at all.

[Astrosimi]

Macnme, there are some truths in your arguments, but where the heck are you getting that the rebels are executing civilians? I saw on CNN that the rebels had actually published pamphlets that urged the revolutionaries to maintain the order and to not vandalize or loot so that it doesn't look to the world as if they're just another peasant uprising. I mean, I see how you could formulate your arguments on the former government officials + U.S. interests (although I maintain that they're in good heart, and U.S. is really trying to stay away from the revolution anyways), but I'm really not seeing how you could go ahead and make such a blatant accusation.

Unless, of course, you DO have sources, in which case I'll be glad to yield if it's something reliable.

On a lighter note, true that about the Gandhi style.

[unXpectiD]

I don't know on that one. Its harder to meet up and chat with a rebel aliance than it is to chat to a world leader.
However if word gets to me, then I will let you know