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    Quote Originally Posted by Aya042 View Post
    In that case, it's definately not getting picked.
    ROFL!! ..yeah, sorta went that way with the Mm pick as well.
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    I think an LBPC verson of MMpicks could work very well and seems a better, more realistic, option than trying to play every level in the backlog.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aya042 View Post

    I'm leaning more towards the idea that it's actually the less popular stuff that ought to take priority - many of the picks from the last Spotlight were already MmPicks, so is it really worth highlighting those?
    I agree. The focus should be on levels which are great but didn't get the exposure they deserve. There is no point including levels that have already been MMpicked or which have over a certain number of plays (5,000, say?).

    I still think though that the regular Spotlight Team will have enough on their plates with the normal Spotlight and that the LBPC picks should be chosen by others on a temporary basis. Or are you suggesting replacing the whole Spotlight system with an MMpicks style option not just to deal with the backlog?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwwphotos View Post
    ROFL!! ..yeah, sorta went that way with the Mm pick as well.
    Aww. Just for you, then...

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    Can you defeat the flying patrol pads to gain access to then complete your ESCAPE? Complete missions for extra points, combo targets for bonuses and other secrets to discover in the fun and outrageous take on Pinball LBP style. Hope you enjoy playing as much as I did creating. :)

    Never played it, but jww seemed disappointed about not getting an MmPick, so, yeah.

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    We really wanted to MmPick this level, but we felt it would make all the other MmPicks look bad.

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    Well, that's all the levels we felt were deserving from the last two months. Maybe something good will turn up in another two months.


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    ROFL!!!! Too funny!!!!

    ...that was a great one. Is it April 1st again!? lol

    Thanks Aya.. best laugh I have had in awhile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aya042 View Post
    This would certainly help... a lot, although the downside of this approach is that some of the lesser-known 'gems' may well get overlooked.
    Yes, but think of it more as right now everything is getting overlooked due to backlog. Those lesser-known gems may still find their way into the recommendations threads... I agree that we need to boost team morale, and to do that, we need to eliminate this impossible feat of getting through 1000 levels.

    How does the rest of the community feel about this? That is, rather than playing every level posted, that we do it more like the MmPicks system, and the crew just make some picks from levels they happened to have played recently from the Level Showcase.
    I like, see my comments below.

    Also, if the idea is that the Spotlight is primarily supposed to be a list of good levels to play, rather than a tool for massaging the egos of those who get picked, then surely it would make more sense if it wasn't just limited to levels posted in the Level Showcase.
    You mean cool levels? or actual level showcase? I don't know that I see the point of showcasing levels from users that don't visit the site, not to mention it makes our crew have to look that much harder for levels to review. Isn't the whole point of this giving people a reason to participate in the LBPC community?

    Well, not quite. It's based solely on post count, so it's easily abused by those who regularly 'stealth-bump' their threads in order to increase their visibility, and I think that putting across the notion that threads in the "Cool Levels" subforum are more likely to get picked, would only encourage more people to do the same.
    Very true, and I was thinking about this when it was posted. Not sure what a more efficient system would be for combing the levels threads would be, though. The whole idea here is to reduce overhead and get the spotlight system down to a manageable process.

    Overall, looks like we were thinking along the same lines with turning this into an Mmpick-style system. Perhaps we may want to consider bypassing anything that has been Mmpicked - after all this system is designed to show off good stuff hidden away on craft earth. People are already seeing Mmpicks, so our LBPC picks should be unique.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwwphotos View Post
    ROFL!!!! Too funny!!!!
    Shhh. Don't draw attention to it, otherwise I'll have to infract myself for posting off-topic.


    Quote Originally Posted by shropshirelass View Post
    Or are you suggesting replacing the whole Spotlight system with an MMpicks style option not just to deal with the backlog?
    Well, that was the way I interpreted Thegide's suggestion, i.e. that it would apply to all future Spotlights, not just the backlog. I mean, even if we were to completely discard the backlog, and we're unable to recruit enough people to keep up with the rate at which the levels are posted, then playing every single level still isn't practical.

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    Some really interesting ideas!

    I would be interested in hearing some thoughts from CCubbage as well as Morgana on this too. Their vast experience being on the team could give us all some extra insight and possibly some other ideas.
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    I see a few new volunteers already posting in the community spotlight recruitment thread

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    The thread is really fire up! I never would have guest it would turn out like this lol

    I really like the opinion of a LBPC MMpicked system and about the the logs. I want to hear what CC has to say about this. I suggest that people should experiment with a spotlight just like Aya042 did just a better one with some level just to experiment and how the community would l react to it with a poll or something.

    I will PM CC about this thread because is very important.

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    I like to add my 2 cents here.
    We have to learn something.
    First: We have to have a bit more faith in each other. There are lots of people with the skills and the will to do things.
    Many users have been clearly underrated. This is something that has not to happen anymore.
    The forums needs help and people needs to feel that good sensation that is "helping for something good".
    The forum can grant work for many
    Second: We must discuss things before it's too late, before they go on a downward slope and get worse.
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    Hmm.
    IN MY OPINION:

    - Spotlighting MM Picks is ridiculous, they get more coverage than they need.
    - If CC/whoever is too busy to rule over spotlight decisions, pass the duty over to someone that has the time. CC can still have his 51% majority share in the stock.
    - I would recommend a community poll regarding the backlog. Personally I feel those hidden gems are the best part of the spotlight.
    - Let the community know what is happening. If you are running late or need a hand, let us know or just show us that graph.
    - Creator spotlights don't need to be 15 minute masterpieces of perfection. While the humour is great, I would be happy with just the creator explaining/showing how they work. That's what I find most interesting anyway.
    - Holding back a PS3 spotlight because the PSP are MIA is pretty silly. Most levels date. Why not just add the PSP section on when it is done?
    What is the ratio of PS3:PSP players out of interest?
    - Discosmurf is right. While others rely on the spotlight, I feel I can also fend for myself now that lbp.me and "recent activity" stream has been added. It's much easier to find decent levels.

    Spotlights are one of the most popular features of LBPC, and therefore one of the most important.
    However, that little thing called life (you know, the real one) should come first.
    (I don't have one of these, but I am quite amazed at all the people that do (kids, house, bills, etc) can even fit five minutes of LBP time into their day.)

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    Interesting discussion.

    Firstly, thanks to Jwwphotos and Aya for being so open and honest about the issues they are currently facing.

    I agree with many who say that the backlog shouldn't be completely abandoned, but could at least be kept aside for now so that things can move on. I have always seen the spotlight as a great tool to find those 'hidden gems' we keep talking about, which I may never have found, even with the new lbp.me system in place.

    Anyhow, I'm going to head on over to the recruitment thread and offer my services. I know it isn't the answer for everything, but I'm here if you want me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thegide View Post
    You mean cool levels? or actual level showcase?
    Well, I include the "Cool Levels" subforum when I used the term "Level Showcase".


    Quote Originally Posted by Thegide View Post
    I don't know that I see the point of showcasing levels from users that don't visit the site, not to mention it makes our crew have to look that much harder for levels to review.
    I'm not suggesting that the crew should be playing every level published, but should they happen to come across a 'gem' on their travels, I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to make it one of their 'picks' just because there was never a showcase thread for it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Thegide View Post
    Isn't the whole point of this giving people a reason to participate in the LBPC community?
    Hmm. Perhaps, but levels posted in the showcase already have a small amount of noteriety just from being posted. However, there are probably many high-quality levels out there which have absolutely zero publicity - I don't see why they should be excluded, if the idea of the Spotlight is to produce a list of high-quality levels.

    If you feel that it's important that the picks be from the showcase, then perhaps a compromise whereby, say, at least 90% of picks have to be from showcase threads?


    Quote Originally Posted by Thegide View Post
    Perhaps we may want to consider bypassing anything that has been Mmpicked - after all this system is designed to show off good stuff hidden away on craft earth. People are already seeing Mmpicks, so our LBPC picks should be unique.
    Quote Originally Posted by midnight_heist View Post
    Spotlighting MM Picks is ridiculous, they get more coverage than they need.
    Here's the thing, though...

    In the past, it's always been the idea that the any level posted in the showcase which is deemed by the crew to be spotlight-worthy would necessarily be included, so excluding a level because it had achieved a sufficient amount of notoriety already, e.g. because it was MmPicked, would not only seem unfair to the creator, but would also be a significant enough change to the way the Spotlight works that we ought to have the backing of majority of the LBPC community before making such a change.


    Quote Originally Posted by midnight_heist View Post
    If CC/whoever is too busy to rule over spotlight decisions, pass the duty over to someone that has the time.
    At the moment, there isn't really anyone responsible for keeping track of which crewmembers are still active, and recruiting new members when necessary, which is probably one of the reasons we're in the situation that we are.

    Another reason is that in past discussions with CC, he's seemed reluctant to instigate a public recruitment process, preferring instead to ask the existing crew to make suggestions for new members, but this doesn't seem to have yielded sufficient candidates to even slightly reduce the size of the backlog - in fact, as far as I'm aware, it's still growing.

    So from a practical POV, it's a case of finding someone who actually has the time to take on that role.


    Quote Originally Posted by midnight_heist View Post
    I would recommend a community poll regarding the backlog. Personally I feel those hidden gems are the best part of the spotlight.
    Perhaps, but we'd have to ensure the options are realistic, and continuing to play 'catchup' on the backlog with the current size of the crew is not, nor is recruiting, I'd guess, about 100 people to get through it in the next couple of weeks.


    Quote Originally Posted by midnight_heist View Post
    Let the community know what is happening. If you are running late or need a hand, let us know or just show us that graph.
    I don't think we're likely to have figures that insane (historically the highest ever) until LBP3 comes out, and I don't think anyone was expecting figures that high. For comparison, here's a similar graph covering the period around the release of LBP1 (Oct 27th 200 at the same scale...



    ...and the previous graph again for comparison...




    Quote Originally Posted by midnight_heist View Post
    Holding back a PS3 spotlight because the PSP are MIA is pretty silly. Most levels date. Why not just add the PSP section on when it is done?
    That's just the way it's always been done. There are additional administrative overheads for each post made or edited, such as the article version on the homepage, and configuring the notification boxes, so it was just quicker to push out both at the same time.

    Basically, all this stuff takes time. I've already spent about 7 or 8 hours just on the posts I've made in this thread, including writing the custom code (from scratch) to produce the graphs - it's not something built in to the forum software. So solutions which minimize all the 'administrivia' are strongly desirable.


    Quote Originally Posted by midnight_heist View Post
    What is the ratio of PS3:PSP players out of interest?
    Tough to say, but looking at these two graphs - this from around LBP PSP launch (Nov 17th 2009)...



    ...and this one from LBP2 launch...



    ...the number of showcase posts is pretty marginal compared to the PS3.


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    So, Aya, how many thread levels has been opened since the last spotlight?
    My point is that at least for this time, until a new spotlight team is assembled, some trustable people here starts to divide the amount of work.
    It's impossible for all the members to play all the levels.
    But if we got at least 20 volunteers that ONLY for this time play 100 levels each in a month (OMG) and start to eliminate the demos, half levels and all the half hassed stuff released, we could do it.
    I just noticed the threads are around 4000.
    We just need to organize the work.
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    I don't think discounting levels that got MMPicked is really in the spirit of the Spotlight personally. It's not just about giving underplayed levels a shout-out, it's also there simply to highlight the great stuff that members of this site have created, completely regardless of popularity, plays etc. A level should be there purely because of it's quality, and nothing should dilute that.

    Having said that, if the backlog is as huge as it seems, I think you really gotta just bite the bullet and take a drastic chunk out or this could go on and on for months. Just spotlight the creators who have never had one before. Or bung all the levels good enough into a big list, and forget about making a song and dance with the reviews.

    Or dedicate a team to re-starting the spotlight from a recent date, and have another team of peeps gradually working their way through the backlog without all that pressure to catch up. Just suggestions....


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    Yeah, as I said, have the regular time start the work again, and other people here will help with the backlog.
    Just make it clear with the users that there has been a problem but no one will be left behind and everyone will be recognized...just a bit of patience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aya042 View Post
    I'm not suggesting that the crew should be playing every level published, but should they happen to come across a 'gem' on their travels, I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to make it one of their 'picks' just because there was never a showcase thread for it. Hmm. Perhaps, but levels posted in the showcase already have a small amount of noteriety just from being posted. However, there are probably many high-quality levels out there which have absolutely zero publicity - I don't see why they should be excluded, if the idea of the Spotlight is to produce a list of high-quality levels.
    I do think it's important that picks be from the showcase. It's part of the interaction between the site and the community that uses it. However, I suppose we could slightly change the way the spotlight works and also include a level or two deemed worthy that was not spotlighted. I don't suggest the team actively go out and seek these though, given they probably have enough work just getting through the levels posted here.

    In the past, it's always been the idea that the any level posted in the showcase which is deemed by the crew to be spotlight-worthy would necessarily be included, so excluding a level because it had achieved a sufficient amount of notoriety already, e.g. because it was MmPicked, would not only seem unfair to the creator, but would also be a significant enough change to the way the Spotlight works that we ought to have the backing of majority of the LBPC community before making such a change.
    Agreed. Maybe exclusion is a bad idea. But, if we're going to revew 10-15 levels each showcase, it would make sense that 1/3 of those are not Mmpicks already, or it leaves little room for showing off the lesser known gems. In other words, the crew needs to not take the pink ribbon into consideration when choosing it's list. To me, the Mmpicks list doesn't equal the best levels list anyways.

    Fair is good. Fair keeps people happy. But regardless, I think it's beyond feasible to review every deserving level. If there are 40 deserving levels, the crew could pick their 10-15 favorite from that list and publish. We could emphasize spotlighting levels from creators that have not received one lately, so that everyone gets a turn.

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    Agreed. Maybe exclusion is a bad idea. But, if we're going to revew 10-15 levels each showcase, it would make sense that 1/3 of those are not Mmpicks already, or it leaves little room for showing off the lesser known gems. In other words, the crew needs to not take the pink ribbon into consideration when choosing it's list. To me, the Mmpicks list doesn't equal the best levels list anyways.

    Fair is good. Fair keeps people happy. But regardless, I think it's beyond feasible to review every deserving level. If there are 40 deserving levels, the crew could pick their 10-15 favorite from that list and publish. We could emphasize spotlighting levels from creators that have not received one lately, so that everyone gets a turn.
    ^ I agree with this, Mm could be allowed, But they should only be thought of after the others have been picked.
    & Everyone needs a turn, yes your not going to get everyone, there can be far too many levels to do that, Yet..

    Say... you have (sorry to copy you guide) 40 levels.
    They all exibxit good quality, yet some of the authors have been Mm picked, or some of their other levels have been showcased. While another authors level is on par with theirs, but they are very unknown. I believe it should be prioritized. Of course you should include the well known creators levels, they put as much effort into their levels as the next guy, but they received a great deal of attention all ready.
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    I've known about this problem for quite a while and I do have plans to reinvigorate our Spotlights, but they're neither quick nor easy to implement - especially now.

    After LBP2's launch, levels were posted in unprecedented amounts. We should've been ready to handle the influx, but we weren't. The sheer volume our crew had to play to put out a "fair" spotlight was so much higher than it had ever been before, it burned many of them out. As a result, a number of people left the crew (or simply stopped participating), which stuck the remainder with an unmanageably high volume of work and resulted in a near-shutdown of content creation.

    Now, if I were around more often to regulate these kinds of things, I don't think we'd have gone this long without new content. As I said, I do have plans to fix it. However, my priority right now is still graduating high school. I missed over two months in a row last semester (thanks to a bout with Mono, which some of you know about), so makeup work this semester has been...dense, to say the least. I am on track to graduating & going to college, and I've only got a month left, but the fact remains that, right now, I'm simply not here in the capacity necessary to do any real fixing. And the last thing I want is to come up with a solution that only works in the short term. I'm not convinced more people is the answer. I really think the Spotlight needs an up-and-down restructuring, including making it easier for people on the Spotlight Crew to do their jobs, if we really want to see long-term stability.

    Look, if I have anything to say about it, things will get better. We will go back to producing Spotlights on a regular, uninterrupted basis. But, until then, I have to ask for your patience. I've gotta make sure I'll be going to college first. Once I've done that, I'm going to dive right in. I've got a lot of changes I want to make, and I'm looking forward to having the time to make them.
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