Banned from PSN for something I DID do!

[Kiminski]

I honestly don't think it has anything to do with the levels at all, there's absolutely no way they'd leave them up on the servers. Plus there's nothing I've seen of Ungreth's that would warrant a ban over moderation anyway. That's way too harsh. Anyone who's old enough to even begin to understand the ever-so-slightly sordid undertones, are surely old enough to deal with them anyway? I've seen worse Carry On films!

It has to either be a photo uploaded to the level anonymously or a sticker placed in the level and griefed by the same person. Sony are probably getting 100's of tickets raised every day, I doubt they're going to any great lengths to investigate each complaint. They're just seeing a picture of someone's bits 'featured' in Ungreth's uploaded photos and jumping to the wrong conclusion.

TBH, the fact that we do have the ability to upload anonymous photos should be removed anyway. People have been abusing that since LBP.

[Mr_Fusion•]

When you report somebody you take a screen shot, so I guess it will always be an image you get in trouble for.

I think I mentioned this in another thread maybe Rust's or Kris' thread but nuclearfish has a better chance than a petition.

The reason you can get banned is that age/community reputation are not a factor. Everyone is a username, if a few users report something it's flagged.

Nuclearfish is a face and a person to someone on the team, well known reputable creators speaking directly with people involved in the process.

In regards to trolls, use the system and move on. If we all report unacceptable online behaviour it will have a positive impact on the community. If it is indeed this easy to ban someone then use it to your advantage. I report 'kill...' levels and obvious comment spam all the time.

[IronSkullKid99]

The reason you can get banned is that age/community reputation are not a factor. Everyone is a username, if a few users report something it's flagged.

How many Users does it take to Flag something? A couple Hundreds?

[Dortr•]

So it's a "Do what we say, don't do what we do" policy?

No, its a "Mm did those things in meercat kingdom and write the stuff for Stephen Fry to say not Sony" type of thing. I was just pointing out a fairly valid reason as to why someone may greif the level. Would I have? No... but if that happened, Sony probably didn't even look at the report either.

[dieseldog09]

I've been griefed before, for using the word "water". Why? I don't even know.

[49er Nation]

This whole banning thing is pretty stupid. I don't know who will be next...

[Mr_Fusion•]

How many Users does it take to Flag something? A couple Hundreds?

Hmm... That's my concern if it is one person that takes issue it's not a fair system. I doubt it's as many as 100 though. It should also log the IP that the report came from to stop multiple account shennanigans.

But, also keep in mind that day you get arrested is rarely the day that crime was committed so if you do publish a level and someone plays it a year later and reports it... Well that's the day you infringed.

I fuzzily remember a general rule of thumb about noise complaints from neighbours; it was 3 separate people at 3 separate times, BUT about the same behaviour... before the council knocks on your door.

So one person complaining about a barking dog and another complaining about loud music doesn't equal two complaints.

Bu again, not sure what the magic PSN numbers are.

To the point of Mm doing innuendo the game get submitted to classification, your stage doesn't so its hard to say 'they did it, so I can too'. Sony is in a way forced to take a hard line stance even though the ESRB rating is only given for offline play.

A PG movie can have someone say 'holy sh..' as an exclamation but it has been submitted to a panel that considers subtext, a lengthy and expensive process.

Even though the requirements to play online suggest that all players are in an age bracket where they could see this movie, the word isn't the actuall problem it's context, and it can be used to get pretty graphic and obscene... it's safer just to filter out the word than to be open to having a game reclassified.

[Det]

I don't think it matters whether Ungreth is actually in the right or not, as the system is capable of punishing the wrong people regardless and needs to be fixed.

[OmegaSlayer]

First of all, no one clearly mentioned it but Stiff Pistons is still there.
As Ungreth pointed and I privately argued with Robbit10, the malice is in the eye of the beholder...
As I told him, it's the player that wants to dance around the pole

Anyway Stiff Pistons is immortal on youtube

I rocked that pole hard...

But the main reason for the ban...well, I guess is this one



If I would put a pic of mine dressed like that, users would not only goodgrief me to Sony but even call for an exorcism

[Ungreth•]

But the main reason for the ban...well, I guess is this one



If I would put a pic of mine dressed like that, users would not only goodgrief me to Sony but even call for an exorcism

What a cheek! I'll have you know that whenever I drop my daughter off at school in the mornings, all the other children run off screaming with delight to tell their friends how cool I look!

[Coconuts]

I've been griefed before, for using the word "water". Why? I don't even know.

Wicked Witch of the West must be behind this. She must've found the word really offensive.

[Breezy-The-Pro]

I was "grief"-ed for, well, I have no idea... some racist remarks apparently, in my old Homestar Runner level. Seems they blame trolls for their outage but prioritises their thoughts above everyone else's.

So I'll post this here, unless I get BANNED for this, too.

[Ungreth•]

Having asked around and having gained some better understanding of how this moderation thing works, I think it's safe to say that if it was my level content in question then the level would have been taken down. All my levels remain online with a steady influx of players, so I think we can rule that out. It seems the most likely explanation is that someone has uploaded an obscene picture whilst playing one of my levels and griefed it. Sony's automated system has identified the picture as being linked to my account and auto-banned me without understanding the fact that just because it appears on my level pages it is not necessarily me, the account holder, who placed it there.

If I'm wrong about this then I'll perform the worlds greatest act of contortionism by inserting my head deep into my rectal passages and eating my own doo-doo.

[OmegaSlayer]

If I'm wrong about this then I'll perform the worlds greatest act of contortionism by inserting my head deep into my rectal passages and eating my own doo-doo.

Oh dear, you're almost making me wish you're wrong...and...youtube or it isn't true.

[Antikris•]

Having asked around and having gained some better understanding of how this moderation thing works, I think it's safe to say that if it was my level content in question then the level would have been taken down. All my levels remain online with a steady influx of players, so I think we can rule that out. It seems the most likely explanation is that someone has uploaded an obscene picture whilst playing one of my levels and griefed it. Sony's automated system has identified the picture as being linked to my account and auto-banned me without understanding the fact that just because it appears on my level pages it is not necessarily me, the account holder, who placed it there..

That is my conclusion about my month-long suspension as well. I was deserving of that punishment for alegedly posting pictures of pornography. Though the support here is heartwarming, don't get your hopes up, Un; Spaff himself pulled strings for me but couldn't walk into Mordor.

People on the outside may respond with "Why the drama? It is only a game. Make a new account.", but we creators know better; our rep and the investment in our creations are on the line. We ourselves know of the risk that the behavior we are accused of carries with it; of all people, we are the LEAST likely to engage in such frivolties.

Now, it is very simple for me: I sat out the ban, trust no more stranger, but know I am still at risk for stuff I cannot control; the only way to be risk free is to be invisible, be gone from the LBP community. And that is how it will be when the next troll dupes Sony into landing a perm ban on me. A loss to the community and a loss to Sony - after all, eBay is only two clicks away.

I have thought of locking my levels to prevent the wrong kind from playing, but it is probably only going to attract more rage. My mistake for buying into a children's game.

[OmegaSlayer]

Hey Kris, I hope that everything will be solved and your ban will be erased from history.
As I said, I hope Nuke will solve stuff, but we must continue to get signatures.

[Veyneru]

Off topic(ish): Look at this gem I ran into on the signatures on the petition:

If you get banned then you deserve to get banned. Quit crying about it & follow the rules. nOObs.

Hmm, methinks someone should actually read the details before whining about it. Also, what I find ironic is that he calls us "nOObs" despite the fact that he just signed the petition, technically giving it support. As the creator of the petiton, I have the power to delete it, but I'm not going to do so purely to show off the irony of that comment.

[OmegaSlayer]

hmmm...

[jwwphotos]

Sorry to hear that Ungreth. Seems to happen more often than not these days. I hope Nuclearfish can give a word to the mods, but I think Spaff might have as well and it obviously continues.

Possibly there are more mods than memos about how LBP works and they are not making the distinction of user content vs visitor messages and pics. Might even be an issue in the Good Grief itself either in LBP.me or in the game causing a bit of this. We can only speculate and hope for news someday.

Hopefully it can be corrected soon, but I am not holding my breath.

[Kiminski]

Figured we should attack this from all angles so just posted this:

http://gsfn.us/t/2g609

I'll shelve my horror level for the time being.