Infractions and bans for LBP content

[OmegaSlayer]

People will just lie their way through an age gate.

well, if they lie it's their fault

[goranilic•]

So how can Sony verify that the good grief report was genuine and not submitted spuriously/maliciously if there is no evidence for them to examine?

Sony makes bans on PSN and they do not have to explain anything. They simply do ban. There is no indication that they verify report. You should know how they work from your own experience.
The other question is LBP levels. It is not entirely clear who moderated LBP levels, but even they don't have to explain anything, they just erase level. I know that MM puts level back, if you complain and a complaint is justified.

[Ungreth•]

Sony makes bans on PSN and they do not have to explain anything. They simply do ban. There is no indication that they verify report. You should know how they work from your own experience.
The other question is LBP levels. It is not entirely clear who moderated LBP levels, but even they don't have to explain anything, they just erase level. I know that MM puts level back, if you complain and a complaint is justified.

Actually the last time I was banned Sony explained in detail exactly I was banned for and why they considered it to be a banning offence, so clearly they do take the time to look at a level before they make a decision. Granted I had to ask them why, they didn't just tell me at the point when they first delivered the ban, but once I had asked them then they took the time to explain.

I'm guessing if Sony didn't actually do a proper investigation and just swung the ban hammer every time a grief report came through then trolls would be running rampant to abuse the system, simply reporting whoever they felt like targetting and getting hundreds of innocent players banned every day.

[OmegaSlayer]

Anyway, in all seriousness, you're calling for a ban
In my LBPCommunity conspiracy theories, it's not the under 18 kid that grief report you, but the user that thinks that has to protect anyone, thing that I found only partially right
You know how much I care abut kids, the people, etc but I think that parents shuld look after their kids, and not expect that PS3 or TV educate them, so I blame obviously "the content" but much more the lack of parents' care

so, in my judgement, this time your content is not wrong "per se" but it's like a spot with rough grass in a garden where there's a lot of people that want to keep everyting in order
I say diversity is richness but some could argue this

I hope your artistic integrity will be safeguarded, but if something happens I won't be surprised at all

[Ungreth•]

Anyway, in all seriousness, you're calling for a ban
In my LBPCommunity conspiracy theories, it's not the under 18 kid that grief report you, but the user that thinks that has to protect anyone, thing that I found only partially right
You know how much I care abut kids, the people, etc but I think that parents shuld look after their kids, and not expect that PS3 or TV educate them, so I blame obviously "the content" but much more the lack of parents' care

so, in my judgement, this time your content is not wrong "per se" but it's like a spot with rough grass in a garden where there's a lot of people that want to keep everyting in order
I say diversity is richness but some could argue this

I hope your artistic integrity will be safeguarded, but if something happens I won't be surprised at all

You're right. I knew the risk I was taking when I released the level, and when the punch comes I'll take it on the chin. It was worth it, just for the catharsis of finally taking the plunge and expressing the full scope of my artistic vision in all it's horribleness, without fear of the consequences. Let them hang me, I've already tied my own noose.

2 Girls 1 Cup coming soon

[OmegaSlayer]

Don't expect anyone kicking you from the gallow's pole when they know you're just waiting for said kick and that your suffering can be lengthened

[Rogar]

Have you considered making a second PSN account to take the ban hammer hits?

[OmegaSlayer]

Have you considered making a second PSN account to take the ban hammer hits?

you missed the point, he's trying to see how far WE ALL can go, and he's goat sacrificing himself since he's giving up on LBP
I understand and respect it as it's the will of a smart man and a friend, though I don't agree

[Rogar]

Really? That's not what it looks like to me. I thought it was more a defiant act of self-expression, despite the (possible) consequences.

[arbiekko]

@Ungreth: I would hate to see someone of your creator value get zonked over principles, but so long as you've got your data backed up on another account or three, I gotta say, thumbs up for being brave! It's ludicrous that we have to worry so about bans and complaints, not because of any greater moral imperative but because getting banned or unbanned is such an oblique process, and so frequently abused.

2 Girls 1 Cup coming soon

Heeehehehehe!

[Ungreth•]

you missed the point, he's trying to see how far WE ALL can go, and he's goat sacrificing himself since he's giving up on LBP

Really? That's not what it looks like to me. I thought it was more a defiant act of self-expression, despite the (possible) consequences.

It's the defiant act of a self-sacrificial goat giving up on LBP to see how far we all can go, despite the possible consequences.

And if you can make sense of that, I'll give you my last jelly bean.

[gdn001]

To be fair, I think it was naive and unrealistic of Sony to release a game that relies on user created content while putting a 7+ rating on it. They can moderate content if and when they become aware of it, but unlike most retail games no ratings board could guarantee exactly what content LBP's audience would be exposed to. Take Assassins Creed for example. PEGI would have examined the content, rated it, and the game would have been released in exactly the same state as the day it was given it's rating. That's not the case for a game like LBP though, is it? What PEGI see when they rate it is the Mm story levels which were designed to be appropriate for 7 year olds, but what they don't see is the millions of levels that will be made by the community...which could contain absolutely anything at all. I could potentially produce an LBP movie that depicts two girls eating poop out of a cup, and people would submit their grief reports, but by the time Sony's moderators get to investigate there could be thousands of kids who have already been exposed to it.

The age rating system (as it currently exists) is fundamentally flawed where user generated content is concerned.

That's why most games I see have a "Online content not rated by [insert your favorite rater here]". I can't remember now, does LBP have one of these?

[Dortr•]

Personally I've never been worried about moderation. I've seen a great deal of levels with blood, violence and disturbing images. Even some that were insanely gruesome to the point of hilarity. I was actually surprised that your new level was not as disturbing as Tenement Ungreth.. Eh, maybe about the same. Seems like disturbing images and violence aren't modded nearly as much as the slightest sexual references.

I always thought this was kinda funny. Despite lbp being a "kids game", you are technically supposed to be at least 18 to have a master account psn.. (one that can go online). So essentially you run the risk of violating "inappropriate content" for young teens and kids that are technically violating psn's master account requirements themselves.

[PPp_Killer]

but but stiff pistons...

[Ungreth•]

but but stiff pistons...

Stiff Pistons was essentially just a fat man in a nappy dancing to music and a crowd cheering him on. Yes the innuendo was there, but there was nothing concrete that a moderator could really single out as being inappropriate. This new level however features a grotesque birth scene which may set alarm bells ringing in a moderators mind, bearing in mind how Poms "Miracle of Life" got moderated. If I do get banned, I'm almost certain that it will be because of that particular scene.